Is The Internet Just Digital Bread?

by **HMKGrey** » Thu Sep 15, 2005 7:03 pm

I think it was the news about Funeralgate Inc that did it for me. Perhaps that and the painfully obvious duck and weave game that Roberts has been playing with virtual impunity these last few days. We're not changing anything folks. Nothing. Bush and his evil cabal are hiding in plain sight and, frankly, a whole lot of articulate bloggers are never going to make a difference. We didn't then. We're not now and we won't in the future. In fact, I've started to seriously wonder if we're not all falling right in to their trap right here, right now. We feel better after venting in places like this. We feel listened to. We've shared our grief. Our rage. Our impotent anger. There's a collective sigh of relief after one of Jeff's fabulously accurate posts. We all feel so much better... Which just might be the problem. Has all of this simply become the new bread? Have we become a populace that is actually neutered by our own ability to express ourselves. To get things off our collective chest here, in cyber space, where no real harm can be done. Evil hides in plain sight these days, ignored by the majority while the would-be activist minority can make themselves heard, appreciated, understood so easily that one wonders if we're not simply using up energy and the basic need to be heard and understood among ourselves instead of setting that same energy loose on the streets where change really happens. How can we be the dissatisfied populace when really, so many of our fundamental needs (to be heard,understood... to express our pain and rage) are being fulfilled daily by simply sitting in front of the mesemeric cathode? Suppose you were an arch villain or - better still - part of a generational group of arch villains bent on domination, is it entirely unthinkable that the thought of an endless, costless town hall meeting disguised as the internet would seem very appealing? How often do we go to bed spent with our efforts at expressing ourselves, at saying our piece? A lot, I suspect. I wonder if we aren't in some semi-charmed netherworld where we're absenting our real duty to get out in the world and change it for the good because we've already joined a thinking elite that somehow defers that part of the job to others. What are we? The information wing of some grand revolutionary conceit? Or just the conceit? I'm asking this of myself. It seems like knowledge might not really be power any more. Perhaps power is power. With love, HMKGrey

by **DrDebugDU** » Thu Sep 15, 2005 7:18 pm

What internet has done and that is an amazing achievement is to give the people behind the keyboard the opportunity to examine the way the politics function. Many people have finally been able to grasp the way power operates and the extend and methods it is using. This is something which has never been available throughout history. The real point is how to activate the knowledge and I haven't figured that out. But knowledge is power and if you see the game then you can look at it as an observer without being dragged into the vortex. If it weren't for the internet most of the things which we know now about the Bush administration, about the freemasons, about the secret societies, about the media manipulation, about the election manipulation are not new. Even though they have been perfected under George Junior they have been in existence for a long time, but now we can see it in the open. The point remains how can this knowledge be integrated into the real world. Is it possible to reach out to more people and convince them that the only way out is to get rid off the power structures which have kept us in bondage for so long. So a movement for change is necessary and it should be a large popular movement. That means it is not something for this board, because we are liberal intellectual elitists. RI is a place to look and examine things but it is not the grassroot where change will take place. How and why is unknown, but we are reaching to a point that change is imminent and that the political systems needs to change and become more open, because if they don't then it'll become a gloomy world. But don't doubt the importance of the internet, because it has allowed for intellectual freedom for a select group and that freedom will bring about change, however it has not expanded into a mass movement...

by **RollickHooper** » Thu Sep 15, 2005 7:54 pm

Down by the Riverside Motel It's ten below and falling By a ninety-nine-cent store She closed her eyes and started swaying But it's so hard to dance that way When it's cold and there's no music Oh your old hometown's so far away But inside your head there's a record's playin' Song called Hold On --Tom Waits

by **wintler** » Thu Sep 15, 2005 8:57 pm

Its a chilling and important point HMKGrey (kudo's for raising it), one i think is part true, part not. True because tapping plastic & staring at a screen, of itself, achieves zero in the 'real' human world of work, money, kids etc. Worse, we are nearly all living lives that reinforce the powers we oppose (buying gasoline, shopping at walmart, paying taxes that fund wars...). If webbing stops or slows action in the real world, then Yes, its just bread/soma. False because people can only remember and integrate what they have seen or heard of and at least part understand. So someone who's never heard of christian zionism, or the Franklin Credit RA accounts, i think will have a harder time making useful and successful plans. For e.g., its morally 'fine' to fight for rights of the homeless whilest unaware that private investors are buying up all the cheap rental property for redevelopment. But its certainly going to be a long long struggle with v.little chance of overall 'success'. Do you want to struggle, or to win? Its for the latter that i think we actually need the web, as misinformed action is too often futile or counter-productive. Theres obviously a point of diminishing returns, and many many red herrings, but theres gold too: - in forming and challenging own robust understandings of what the f*** is going on, -in aiding and supporting each other to reach the 'know enough for now' stage and get out there and rock, -in helping the wounded heal.

by **slimmouse** » Thu Sep 15, 2005 9:45 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>We're not changing anything folks. Nothing.<hr></blockquote> If ever the term "Rome wasnt built in a day" is an appropriate double edged metaphor, then this is it. What people of any kind of negative volition need to understand with regard to the above statement is two facts. Firstly, those who rule, and control us, are the same people who brought you all the religions, all the wars, all the fear , and all the control. This has been going on for centuries - Same bloodlines, same wealth rapidly accumulating to ridiculous proportions, based upon calculated techniques of mass deception also perfected and repeated throughout our entire history. For Gawds sake get with the programme here. Does anyone seriously believe that its any coincidence that the pyramid is on the back of the dollar bill, along with the all seeing eye of Horus, or that most freemason lodges use the dimensions of 22/7 or Pi as the size of their doorways ? Is it any coincidence that all the teachings of the ancients, are those secrets which these mammonistic devil worshipping asswipes have kept from everyone else - Hiding from us all, both who we are and why we are here ? Is it really coincidence that the eyes of the sphinx line up with the Sirius star, as it appears on the Eastern horizon on the 23rd of July, at the same time as the Bloodlines and associated cronies gather to indulge in their sacrifices to Molloch ( spelling ?) at Bohemia Grove ? The control base that these reptoids have established stretches back thru the ages. It is substantial, to put it mildly. You dont bring something like this down in five minutes ! But Secondly - hey, now heres the internet. A recent gift from the heavens ( or was it Roswell ?). A source of information free from suppression, where the like minded MAJORITIES can finally find out the real truths highlighted above for themselves. Where they can slowly ( to begin with ) discover the length and breadth of the misery and downright deception that the reptoids have imposed upon us. That minute percentage of REPTOIDS. Change isnt going to happen in five minutes. But happen it WILL. Dont be so damn pessimistic, and if you feel powerless sat here typing messages to the converted, get out there and tell your closest "skeptic" friends - those who can trust you. The situation will reach "critical mass" for the reptoids at some point. And looking at the way these asswipes are moving at what seems increased speed of late, one gets the distinct impression that "they" know it. Theyve already shot their bolt with several Big and Blatant lies , such as WMDs, and the Katrina debacle. Theyve done the same with 9/11. Weve had "their" version, and the sleeping masses should be taking less and less convincing. Deal with it !!!

by **mingman** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 12:41 am

the internet can change nothing - and i agree it could be true that it is changing nothing the internet is better information access - it is even better wisdom access - if people are listening, really listening deep deep, and taking to heart - really caring for their safety and happiness sometimes it's a lot of yacker - a lot of birds on the wire going on and expending our limited energy discussing things that dont make a difference, that dont lead to a clearer vision, a better goalpath there is no use in discussing katrina if we dont learn anything - if we just get a righteous buzz from not being the ones doing the evil - if the lesson doesnt sink in, because we are not thinking, just yakking off our thing and lets not be complacent about the chances of the internet being manipulated - if there is anything good on the internet, ie, anything the evil dont want you to have, download it, save it - it may disappear off the net - people even being killed, for having the prohibited information, is not new ********nothing but ideas********* make change what is the use of fighting for the good before you know what that is, before you make a determined, concentrated and endless effort to get the best truth? - you are going to go forward and build your dreams in your actions - one never stops doing - what if your dream is wrong, is not enough, is the wrong direction, the wrong emphasis, a fuzzy mix of good and nogood? - jefferson went forward with his understanding, and halfbuilt the american dream because he halfunderstood what was necessary and essential for that dream of the land of the free - and the corporation swept away the dream - he should have tried to make the lesson of history the cornerstone of the american faith and hope and education he saw the simple truth that tyranny is certain when there is great imbalance of wealth, when there are superoverpaid and superunderpaid - but he didnt make sure it was taught, widely known and widely accepted as true you and i, also, could build a dream that will take 200 years - to fail - the car is a set of ideas - no ideas, no cars - ideas, good, bad, confused, clear, are the root of everything we have made - [confused ideas may be behind the creation, the universe too! - after all, assume we are made in god's image; we are confused, so god is confused] - the society we have is always the effect of the mass or mess of ideas we all-together have if everyone suddenly had no idea about traffic and looking left and right before crossing, like cats and possums and hedgehogs, there would be instant effect - bad if today we learn the lesson of history, if the general human becomes clear and determined that inequity is fatal to life and happiness and *********shall not be allowed to be**********, the effect is instantaneous - good there has to be thought, understanding, certainty, clarity before action - else action is uncertain in its good effects - there has to be determination of the destination before going - there has to be going, or else there is no getting there - but there has to be correct destination before going - else there is no getting there 'how lucky for leaders that people never think' hitler although we know everyone will agree that fewer and fewer getting richer and richer, and more and more getting poorer and poorer will lead to violence - although we know everyone will agree that a policy of making fewer and fewer get richer and richer and more and more get poorer and poorer would be crazy - although no one would pay staff very different pays for same work - the general will is not at all clear that justice is beneficial - basically, the general unthinking will believes that more for me is always good, that getting out more than one puts in by work, is 'fine', is not theft, is not dangerous, is not fatal - although we know that no one likes being stolen from although history is unanimous on this, although the news shouts this every day, it has not been heard, although katrina shouts it, people have not turned a hearing ear to it - generally, people will not consider it for one moment, they think there is loss in it for them - people wont even check it out - they are acting on blind faith, not putting their faith under the light of testing, proving, judging, for a moment you are suffering - you are suffering bush, for instance, you are suffering katrina - isnt that enough reason to grab maxwell's silver hammer and sound the wheels of your train? - is it a stupid thing, that an engineer goes along and checks that the wheels of the train are all they should be for safety, by hitting them with a hammer and listening to the rightness or wrongness of the sound? 'it is good [beneficial, useful] to let lie before one and [thus] take to heart what is' - [heidegger wrote a whole book [called 'what is called thinking'] on this line of parmenides - hell is undigested information, heaven is digested information - 'people these days get so much information, they lose their common sense' gertrude stein - and that was back in the 1930s! the way to digest information [turn it to wisdom] is to stop inputs from the world, stop the inflow of new information - that's what the great pyramid was for, that is what 'dane holes' were for - [paul bragg, the superhealthy diet advisor to filmstars, believed that your body will start purifying itself of toxins as soon as you stop eating - makes sense - you cant be vacuuming while youre cooking]

Is The Internet Just Digital Bread?

Is The Internet Just Digital Bread?

No I don't agree with that, however I haven't figured it out

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