Xymphora picks a bone with Rigorous Intuition

by **slimmouse** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 10:04 pm

Is anyone looking at the bigger picture at all here ? The neocons are little more than a bunch of whores, along with the corporate media CEOs and Editors who endorse their message ,and who have ALL sold their fucking souls. But I have to say , with the greatest respect, that they ARENT idiots. They know the score, and like the whole Idea. Wolfowitz - King lizard if ever there was one, now head of the World bank , where of course his machinations can take place beyond general scrutiny. Im kinda caught between a rock and a hard place with Xymophoras stuff and Jeffs, in the sense that I feel an amalgum of their message may most likely be the accurate one. What I can't accept however, is any kind of implication that these guys arent fully aware of how the game is being played. Incredible to think meanwhile, that we're assessing the fine points of the argument between ourselves, as opposed to finding ways to spread the word. The word being; Bushco did 9/11, and the "consensus reality" version of that, along with the vast majority of the rest of official history, is little more than the mother of all lies. Democracy is little more than tyranny without chains. There is no need for anyone to pay more than a token price for energy, which is one of the 3 major means of exploiting/ culling/CONTROLLING the masses, and ammassing a fortune for "them" as a side benefit. And just as a sideline, for all you 'socialists' out there, how many people die in this world every year because they cant afford to pay for fuel in winter ? Introduce a further 'control' - The Money ( Banking ) game. The game where every UK individual finds himself on average paying £180,000 in interest  in their lives - Translated, thats $300k US Hey America, how many years of your life do YOU have to work to repay that which was artificially created by your controllers ? And then of course we have War. The average American paying 50 cents on the dollar in his taxes on war. The US govnt having spent 26 million dollars per day on average since the 'official' birth of Jesus on "defence". relatively minor offshoots being illegal drugs, and legal ones. (Who control all of the above he asks ? - knowing full well the answer.) Oh well. Thats my message. And somebody unaware of the above truths get that message daily from me. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=slimmouse@rigorousintuition>slimmouse</A> at: 12/20/05 8:20 pm

by **starroute** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 10:19 pm

I've accumulated notes on a number of them, though I've never gone into the subject really deeply. One is the International Republican Institute, which has been playing do-it-yourself games of regime change in places like Serbia and Cambodia. Brent Scowcroft is its best-known member. There's also IRI's affiliate, the International Foundation for Elections Systems. The World Socialist Website says of that one: <blockquote>Quote:<hr><a href="http://www.wsws.org/articles/2005/jan2005/cana-j17.shtml">www.wsws.org/articles/200...-j17.shtml</a> The IFES is part of a network of so-called civil society organizations created over the past two decades by US corporate leaders and Republican and Democratic Party operatives and which function as an arm of US foreign policy. IFES has been involved with ousting Aristide in Haiti, with the recent election in Iraq, with ahead-of-the-fact planning for elections in Cuba after Castro is gone, and in the Dominican Republic (along with the Carter Center.)<hr></blockquote> There are a bunch of groups targeted at the Caspian oil region, like the US-Azerbaijan Chamber of Commerce. Brent Scowcroft is tangled up with some of those as well. A more explicitly Neocon group is the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies, headed by Clifford May. Other Neocon groups include Michael Ledeen's Coalition for Democracy in Iran, and a similar group targeted at Lebanon. And there are various free trade and anti-regulation groups spread around in Europe and East Asia. Those don't seem to be US-dominated like the ones mentioned above, but they are certainly US-oriented and are pushing a neo-liberal and corporate rights agenda very hard. There's even a remnant of the World Anti-Communist League, now calling itself the World League for Freedom and Democracy, active in Asia. They were distributing tsunami relief last winter, but I don't know what their real agenda is. As I say, I haven't looked into any of these groups very deeply, and I don't know how much influence they have on either US policy or the policies of the various other nations involved. But I do have a gut feeling that they're important -- and are flying largely under the radar.

by **Dreams End** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 11:33 pm

I'd add that George Soros has a whole network in "Eurasia" of foundations and even a university. Not a "neocon" but a "neolib". I don't see a true distinction. I guess if the neocon's actually believe their rhetoric there is a distinction...wantint go "protect America" or whatever. But both seem to go about crushing resistance to the corporate agenda...neo-liberals do this as a matter of belief in the "free market" and maybe neocons do it in the name of "democracy" but the results look the same and serve the same corporate agenda. And I'd be surprised if many of the "private" groups are really private as opposed to CIA cutouts or foundational conduits for CIA or other government money. I was just reading about how Rockefeller who chaired MOMA was shelling out CIA bucks for certain artists to keep the radical art off the radar.

by **NewKid** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 11:49 pm

Check out this Wolcott piece quoting Daniel Pipes: <blockquote>Quote:<hr> "The attacks of September 11, 2001, made me feel more secure, unlike most Americans," Pipes writes. "Finally, the country was focused on issues that had long worried me. "'The FBI is engaged in the largest operation in its history," I wrote in late 2001. 'Armed marshals will again be flying on US aircraft, and the immigration service has placed foreign students under increased scrutiny. I feel safer when Islamist organizations are exposed, illicit money channels closed down, and immigration regulations reviewed. The amassing of American forces near Iraq and Afghanistan cheers me. The newfound alarm is healthy, the sense of solidarity heartening, the resolve is encouraging.' "But I agonized whether it would last. 'Are Americans truly ready to sacrifice liberties and lives to prosecute seriously the war against militant Islam? I worry about US constancy and purpose.' "And right I was to worry [he's always right, about everything], as the alarm, solidarity, and resolve of late 2001 have plummeted lately, returning us to a roughly pre-September 11 mentality." . . . "A number of recent developments leave me pessimistic," Pipes mopes, and proceeds to list them, beginning with the domestic bummers. >"The USA Patriot Act, a landmark of post-September 11 cooperation between the military and law enforcement, passed in the Senate 98-1 in October 2001. Last week, the same bill stalled in the Senate. >"The mainstream press does not take Islamist aspirations seriously and sees the war on terror basically as over, as shown by Maureen Dowd's comment in the New York Times that the Bush administration is trying 'to frighten people with talk of Al Qaeda's dream of a new Islamic caliphate.' . . . "And I worry that not even a catastrophic act of terror will return a desensitized West to its post-September 11 alarm, solidarity, and resolve. John Kerry's notion of terrorism as a nuisance similar to prostitution or gambling has taken hold, suggesting that future acts of violence will be shrugged off. And, even if mass murders do awaken the public, a next round of alertness will presumably be as ephemeral as the last one." <hr></blockquote> Guess they need to up the dosage. And Wolcott quotes this from Rebecca Solnit: <blockquote>Quote:<hr> "There are moments when it looks like George Bush is unwittingly realizing some warped version of a radical revenge fantasy: the dismantling of American power. I sometimes wonder whether we won't look back on his reign as the moment when the world's last standing superpower started to totter. After all, 2005 was the year in which political commentators first began comparing the present state of the U.S. to the last days of the late great Soviet Union; while Bush's whimsical little war brought the American military into worldwide shame and near internal collapse, with exhausted soldiers, dismal recruitment rates, and worse morale, as the planet's most powerful army proved unable to successfully occupy a militarily minor country... <hr></blockquote> Funny you mention that . . . <a href="http://jameswolcott.com/archives/2005/12/daniel_pipes_lo.php" target="top">jameswolcott.com/archives/2005/12/daniel_pipes_lo.php</a>

by **slimmouse** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 11:57 pm

The word being; Bushco did 9/11, and the "consensus reality" version of that, along with the vast majority of the rest of official history, is little more than the mother of all lies. Democracy is little more than tyranny without chains. There is no need for anyone to pay more than a token price for energy, which is one of the 3 major means of exploiting/ culling/CONTROLLING the masses, and ammassing a fortune for "them" as a side benefit. And just as a sideline, for all you 'socialists' out there, how many people die in this world every year because they cant afford to pay for fuel in winter ? Introduce a further 'control' - The Money ( Banking ) game. The game where every UK individual finds himself on average paying £180,000 in interest in their lives - Translated, thats $300k US Hey America, how many years of your life do YOU have to work to repay that which was artificially created by your controllers ? And then of course we have War. The average American paying 50 cents on the dollar in his taxes on war. The US govnt having spent 26 million dollars per day on average since the 'official' birth of Jesus on "defence". relatively minor offshoots being illegal drugs, and legal ones. (Who control all of the above he asks ? - knowing full well the answer.) Starroute, followed by my buddy . Hey, you guys, why not start doing some real fucking research, instead of pissing about or trying to send people off on a million different tangents ? Ive given you 'intellectuals' a few avenues to explore, and I hope youre gonna take me on for the benefit of this board..either that or take a deserved vacation. Ive listed several facts above, which were I talking the kind of distractive shit that you guys are clearly speaking here, would be easily disprovable - right ? What say you Floyd ?

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