American music ?

[scollon]

Why did America produce fabulous artists in the sixties and a lot less after that. New York punk was great , Nirvana, who else ? I'm sure there are more, but you get my point.<br><br><br>Any theories ?<br><br>Is rap / hip hop a product of cointelpro ?<br><br>cheers<br> <p></p><i></i>

[resonantmonkey]

There are many great American bands out there now, if you look for them.<br>When you are younger, it's easier to talk to the record store clerk, heck it's easier to spend four hours in the record store pouring over racks of records and tapes, and now CD's (less grown up things to do).<br>I am still stuck in my post-college days of music.<br>For great American music, try:<br><br>Uncle Tupelo, and related hybrids, ie Wilco and SonVolt<br>Soul Asylum, Golden Smog, The Replacements, Paul Westerberg by hisself, House of Large Sizes, Titanic Love Affair, Superchunk, Big Star, Ryan(not Bryan)Adams, and his old band Whiskeytown, Seam; any number of bands from Austin, Texas; Calexico, Giant Sand...<br><br>The list goes on and on. Depending on your tastes, you can find almost anything you might like from the list above. It's mostly independent rock, though.<br><br>What I find, is that the mass media only indulges what amounts to the worst of the worst in musicians. Believe me, there's great American music, still...<br> <p></p><i></i>

[scollon]

Thanks, I don't know any of these (I'll look them up) but the Killers, The Kings of Leon, and The Bravery are original and excellent. The Kings of Leon are awesome.<br><br><br>Green Day are great too but indie stuff hasn't moved on much from MC5 and the Velvet Underground in the sixties.<br><br>Actually just heard a couple of those - Soul Asylum, Titanic Love Affair who are really middle of the road American rock that doesn't travel very well outside the States.<br><br>What happened to Motown and the Doors, Beach boys and MC5, Velvet Underground, Joni Mitchell. Bob Dylan, Paul Simon, Neil Young (CAN). Leonard Cohen (CAN), Joni Mitchell (CAN), Joan Baez, Muddy Waters, Jimi Hendrix (both 'discovered' in Britain actually) , all the amazing blues stuff, The Grateful Dead, Jefferson Airplane, the list goes on and on. Not counting Elvis and Rock 'n Roll from the fifties.<br><br>Was rock seen as part of a dangerous counter culture and suffocated ?<br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[resonantmonkey]

I forgot Pavement, one of my faves, also the Jayhawks, they are incredible...oh yeah, Trip Shakespeare, they rock too! Don't let me forget the likes of TAD, the Screaming Trees, Mark Lanegan has a great voice, and is very dark. Mudhoney, which helped start the whole grunge scene is great too...Mark Arm had a solo EP termed something like "The people in Amsterdam are all high!". Nirvana, Soundgarden and Squirrel Jam all took that scene into the pop, and true rockers never, i mean, never go corporate.<br>Have you seen the "Fuck Corporate Rock" stickers?<br>Pavement are now defunct, but they traveled all over in Europe and even Asia. I know Ryan Adams went to Australia, but when they asked him to play a Bryan Adams song(taboo), he pretty much said he'll never tour outside the US again.<br>Many of those bands are "old" by today's standards, peaking in the early and mid-nineties, so they aren't very well traveled at all anymore...<br>Nowadays, I just pop in my favorite Toots CD, and chill <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :hat --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/pimp.gif ALT=":hat"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=resonantmonkey>resonantmonkey</A> at: 1/13/06 11:01 am<br></i>

[marykmusic]

"Rock and roll stopped the Vietnam war" is a line from a song I wrote and performed with my band "Side Effects" in Phoenix in the late 1980's. "Don't Wanna Be (like MTV)" was the song... didn't get any answer back when I sent it to MTV and have often wondered why... We were the only family alternative band that I know of. My teen-aged girls were fabulous musicians by then; my second husband forced his way into the band after he finally learned two guitar chords. I played bass and the girls played drums and alto sax. Fot some airplay on KUPD back in the day when they still had a local-music show with Mary McCann (the Bone Mama.)<br><br>I got started on bass (had been on guitar for 10 years by then) in 1975 by Bill Davis, the bassist for the MC5. He and Wayne Kramer were locked up with me at the Federal prison in Lexington, at the time a co-ed facility. We worked together; there was also a music room with cheap instruments. I had an old Harmony arch-top. They were probably lucky that they were busted rather than killed... like so many other influential leaders and musicians. --MaryK <p></p><i></i>

[scollon]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Rock and roll stopped the Vietnam war<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Exactly<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>They were probably lucky that they were busted rather than killed... like so many other influential leaders and musicians. <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Excellent story, thanks. That's exactly what I was driving at Did Jim Mrisson disappear before he was hounded down ? <p></p><i></i>

[heyjt]

All my friends teen-age kids are pretty sick of rap and have turned to their parents music collections from the 60's-70's.<br> I personally am stuck in the Allman Brothers era.<br>One thing I have seen lately however is a revival of a new bluegrass movement, with young bands like "Nickel Creek" and "The Be Good Tanyas", really great traditional music with a new edge. <p></p><i></i>

[anotherdrew]

what kind of music do you like scollon? Name the british bands you're listening to that are current, maybe I could identify some american analogs. <p></p><i></i>

[resonantmonkey]

I was in a small ad-libbed group called "The Organics" in the mid-late nineties. I played Bass and sang a bit, my friend Matt played rythm guitar, friend Chris played drums, and Mike played lead guitar. We had a few sit-ins with artists from around the Tucson area, a sax guy, a piano dude, etc. We played a few parties at our house and jammed all the time.<br><br>I also played at a later date with my friend Matt, who will shortly be the subject of another post. We were the "Loquacious Nudibranchs", and even had a CD, it's around my house somewhere. I love to listen to it every now and then and remember the "good ol' days".<br>I still play guitar some, but don't really have anyone to jam with... <p></p><i></i>

[scollon]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>what kind of music do you like scollon?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I already mentioned great American bands like Killers, The Kings of Leon, and The Braver. There is also a new generation of British guitar bands like Bloc Party, Kasabian, Arcade Fire etc. These are all recent bands.<br><br>Until recently I was listening exlusively to European electronic Trance like Oakenfold, divine inspiration, Ian Van Dahl, Ferry Corsten and so forth. Stopped taking drugs, so my dance music days stopped too. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=scollon>scollon</A> at: 1/13/06 12:13 pm<br></i>

[scollon]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I still play guitar some, but don't really have anyone to jam with... <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Shame you're 4000 miles away ! <p></p><i></i>

[nashvillebrook]

they eat their own. <br><br>my take on hip/hop is that the business structure is even more corrupt than mainstream hits biz. favors quick sales; quick stars; money. payola and threats to get tracks played on radio. same old same old.<br><br>the artists mentioned that are freaking awsome have independent business practices. some got sucked into that machine (WEA, Universal, et al), but the heritage of american indie rock is independence b/c for so long what they were doing was outside of anything 'labels' would pay attention to. This Band Could Be Your Life is a great book to understand indie music. labels like Bloodshot prove you can make money without killing the bands. <br><br>as far as album oriented rock -- i would say we have merged indies and AOR to get bands like the Strokes, Foo Fighters and Jet. <br><br>but your point is well taken -- here's my addition --- whatever happened to the guitar solo? <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>

[Col Quisp]

I don't know why the music is no good anymore. I've noticed it too, and often commented that the music of the 60's was so much more complex than today's crap. Then I think maybe I'm just an old codger. But no, today's music is crap.<br><br>I really love the old timey stuff from the early part of the century up to the 30's. Old Edison cylinders and 78's. Rockabilly is great, too. There are some good indy musicians but you'll never hear them on the radio. <p></p><i></i>

[resonantmonkey]

Kill your radio, I disagree that the good music is gone, there are newbies that I am sure you would like.<br>Depending on where you are at geographically can also determine what kind of music you "get" to listen to from the radio.<br>The only hip-hop i listen to are the Beastie Boys and of course, the Fugees.<br>I have turned more than one baby-boomer on to the likes of Wilco and Golden Smog...give'em a go, you'll get your solos, drum breaks, psychtropic sounds, and musically crafted lyrics and hooks that will keep you coming back for more!<br>I've dropped jaws with Wilco, I think they are my favorite band. Jeff Tweedy is certainly the best lyricist and musical "hook" creator that I know of. <br>Everyone on this board is very counter-culture, I am surprised more effort isn't put into finding better music...<br>Most of the bands of yesteryear are either a) Dead, b) Sold-out, or c) Not that good to begin with, it was just the drugs.<br>Of course, some folks will only like one or two bands their entire life. It's wierd that way.<br>Support PUBLIC RADIO. We have a station here KXCI, that just kicks all kinds of booty. They play everything you could possibly imagine, and much more.<br>SUPPORT PIRATE RADIO MORE.<br> <p></p><i></i>

[mxmendo]

I have absolutely got to second "This Band Could Be Your Life ", in many ways punk, along with Jazz in the 50-60s, really found a way to get outside the convertional forms of music and forge a new way of thinking about our own culture.<br><br>70s: stooges, VU, patti smith<br>80s: Minutemen, Black FLag, husker du, many more<br>00s: deerhoof, cat power, godspeed you black emporer(can?), yo la tengo, wilco (nels cline), kathleen hanna, many many more<br><br>there is great music out there, but not on most commercial outlets...there seems to be a lot of great music coming from canada lately.<br><br>mx <p></p><i></i>