what's in it for "left" gatekeepers?

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what's in it for "left" gatekeepers?

Postby yesferatu » Wed May 17, 2006 11:37 pm

Democracy Now! is one.<br>The Young Turks show is.<br>Democratic Underground (the maintainers) is.<br>What is in it for them? Are they simply working towards the day their career will flourish in the mainstream media, and thus will follow the rules to get there? The ones who have "made it" though, are the most vociferous.<br>I don't understand how their brains shut down and stop working, and it is kind of disturbing to see the tortured logic, and yet as well, the gusto they have for the 9/11 official story. Most righties argue for the official story but never with the same gusto and desperation of the gatekeepers on "the left". <br>What is in it for these gatekeepers?<br><br><br><br> <br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: what's in it for "left" gatekeepers?

Postby professorpan » Thu May 18, 2006 12:19 am

Belief systems are spread across the spectrum. The left/right dichotomy is bogus -- I resonate more with the top/bottom metaphor.<br><br>Just because someone operates within a different BS (belief system) doesn't make them the enemy, for cripes sake. Amy Goodman is on *our side,* folks! When we start smearing our allies, we're fucked.<br><br>There is no litmus test for being a truthseeker. Judge them by their deeds. If someone doesn't accept your version of 9/11, that does not make them the enemy.<br><br>This "left gatekeeper" stuff has gotten out of hand. No one has every piece of the truth. We either hang together or hang separately. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: what's in it for "left" gatekeepers?

Postby dbeach » Thu May 18, 2006 12:36 am

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.leftgatekeepers.com/chart.htm">www.leftgatekeepers.com/chart.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>we have discussed this many times here.<br><br> I am not of the opinoin that there is a left or right it seems to me they both are part of the corporat agenda.. <br><br>nation mag is loaded with operation mockingbirds as is democracy now and other so called liberal or left sites .<br><br> BIG BRO has it all infiltrated <p></p><i></i>
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Re: what's in it for "left" gatekeepers?

Postby FourthBase » Thu May 18, 2006 12:46 am

I personally think it's mostly "respectability" they're desperate to acquire or maintain. And maybe also the sheer power thrill of deciding who gets to play their game and who doesn't, and conspiracy theorists just happen to be the losers of the schoolyard?<br><br>And some might be simply coerced by their bosses.<br>Others might truly believe that what they exclude is crazy.<br><br>I think left gatekeepers with a calculated agenda are rarer.<br>If you're a leftie whose job description includes actively campaigning to discredit one theory after another, in order to keep it from being seriously discussed in the mainstream... Then you must have been literally recruited by an intel agency.<br><br>I might sound like Pan here (oh noes!) but...<br>While I'm willing to believe that the CIA etc heavily infiltrates the news media and owns bitches like David Corn (maybe they have videotape of him snorting heroin and fucking a goat, or maybe they just hired him out of college?) -- I'm not ready to believe that all the journalists/writers who engage in knowing or unknowing gatekeeping are CIA plants. The sheer number would be unmanageable, right? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: what's in it for "left" gatekeepers?

Postby professorpan » Thu May 18, 2006 12:46 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>nation mag is loaded with operation mockingbirds as is democracy now and other so called liberal or left sites .<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>In spite of the risk of flagellation for simply asking... references for the above comments, please? <p></p><i></i>
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"left" gatekeepers?

Postby robertdreed » Thu May 18, 2006 1:33 am

I've posted on this previously, at some length.<br><br> To sum up my previous observations, I don't think that people like Amy Goodman are consciously pursuing a malign agenda of coverup. They're simply more assured when reporting on stories where the facts are more amenable to journalistic inquiry, and more readily verifiable. <br><br>And, to reiterate: I've personally heard Pacifica Radio outlet KPFA-FM broadcast several 9-11 "truth movement" shows engaging in thoughtful inquiries for extended lengths of time, featuring sober and articulate commentators such as John Judge and Ralph Schoenmann- people who, whatever the ultimate validity of their views on a given subject, know how to present and defend their cases without sounding like wingnuts. ( Unlike Gerald Holmgren, Morgan Reynolds, Karl Schwartz, Dave Von Kleist, webfairy, and the rest of the menagerie of 9/11 trolldom...who the cap fit... )<br><br>So, to whom it may concern, kindly leave KPFA off of the list of "Left gatekeepers", if you please...<br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=robertdreed>robertdreed</A> at: 5/18/06 12:08 am<br></i>
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On... the Corporate Agenda

Postby Prac » Thu May 18, 2006 2:07 am

"BIG BRO has it all infiltrated" DBeach<br><br>Its our acceptance BIG BRO's lie that survival is impossible without MONEY bondage that is the hidden force that has shaped the human condition.<br><br>Everyone knows the risks of Truthtelling... the risks of loss of livelihood... and worse.<br><br>BUT the Soul has been lost long ago with our unquestioning acceptance of BIG BRO's way for us (wage slaves).<br><br>There is no left right... just universal acceptance of BIG BRO's money logics... the FORCE that binds and shapes the human condition in corporate interest.<br><br>Sorry. just ranting. <p></p><i></i>
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The Tentacles

Postby Pissed Off Cabbie » Thu May 18, 2006 3:28 am

Eisenhower warned us in his farewell speech that the tentacles spread into all walks of our lives. Stealth candidates and left gatekeepers are part and parcel of the blanketing of society. We exist in a hall of mirrors, and the lighting isn't so good.<br><br>What's in it for them is what's in it for the elite. They want their share, and they'll get it. I'd like to know where David Corn goes on HIS vacations. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: The Tentacles

Postby NewKid » Thu May 18, 2006 3:34 am

Probably here. <br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/ABC_uncovers_exCIA_executive_directors_12bedroom_0517.html" target="top">www.rawstory.com/news/2006/ABC_uncovers_exCIA_executive_directors_12bedroom_0517.html</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: The Tentacles

Postby Dreams End » Thu May 18, 2006 10:19 am

EVERY newsroom has a gate and someone has to keep it. In the for profit media, it's corporate bottom lines. If you think that a corporate bottom line doesn't have a political agenda, then you don't understand corporate bottom lines. They pay lobbyists for a reason...and they buy networks and papers for a reason.<br><br>No, it's not as simple as, "Okay, gang, we aren't going to cover this story today so we can maintain political hegemony over the dispossessed." But there is a culture of unspoken lines one does not cross. <br><br>Back under Reagan there was a book called "On Bended Knee" about the press and it's failure to stand up to Reagan. <br><br>You also have fears about "losing access"...if you criticize the big boys, they won't talk to you. Steven Colbert had it right...the government decides and the press types those decisions down. Watch a press conference and pull your hair at the questions that don't get asked.<br><br>Does this extend to the "left"? My question: why wouldn't it? Sadly, much of the left is funded by places like the Ford Foundation. A ways back I found an article where an exec of the Ford Foundation was asked why he was funding this or that radical group. His answer: because it eventually brings them back into the fold of acceptable opposition. I don't have time to look for that again, but it wasn't a hint or a suggestion, it was a statement of fact.<br><br>I used to work for a great youth organization here in Nashville. They work with youth in crisis. There have been some efforts to get the agency to take more political stands on issues that lead to the problems youth face. Think they will be organizing for universal healthcare (particularly mental health care)? Nope. They, like just about every other big nonprofit here in Nashville, get huge funding from the Frist Foundation. yeah, THAT Frist. As in, "I have an idea....let's privatize hospitals."<br><br>The battles at Pacifica (Goodman's network) are too involved to go into here, but they were basically the victims of a hostile takeover by more "mainstream" types. Very ugly battle ensued. It happened for a reason. <br><br>I've heard Alexander cockburn dismiss the Kennedy Assassination myself. I was in the same room. He's also a big defender of pedo priests and Scientologists, and in his case I think it might be the Scientology part that has him by the short hairs. <br><br>It's not really necessary, I think, in political work, to simply start throwing up the "gatekeeper" label, but it is important to be aware of these strains and to have some analysis of them because they really do keep people away from certain perspectives that need to be discussed.<br><br>And, of course, Mockingbird is QUITE real...think they would only infiltrate the conservative press? Why bother...those guys agree already.<br><br>And if David Corn isn't getting a check from Langley, I'll eat the next copy of the Nation I see.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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left/right bogus

Postby mother » Thu May 18, 2006 11:09 am

I 100% agree, Pan. It probably meant something at one time, but I think you've nailed it with top/bottom. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: left/right bogus

Postby havanagilla » Thu May 18, 2006 11:38 am

FWIW, here is a bit of personal experience on the local mockingbird MO. (I used to work in one of Israel's newspaper, without names, but most of you know which it is).<br>The "bird" from the mocking op, was admited to work at a fairly young age, in a medium low administrative position. From there he worked his way up, till finally he served as CEO (not editor, but the highest administrative/business office). The guy was a master of manipulations. His position with secret Services was well disguised, and by the time it was made known officially, he was sacked, but could not be reprimanded. OK this is how he worked his way up. -1/ collecting stench on key journalists. 2/bribing softly, ebcause he had the coupons and perks (the department of marketting and advertising has the "barters" and promotion perks 3/ bringing in his buddies from the same orgs to work with him. 4/ spreading rumors about the owner re sexual issues, with a looming, but unfocused, threat of making it bigger. AND doing an excellent job business wise, to create an addiction to profits. gradually he also affected editorial policies, etc. Very early in his work he made some key steps to ensure his position (such as, in my case, he made a connection for me with the editor of one of the sectors, which was a HUGE break for me and then influenced subtly the topic of the article I freelanced. i wasn't aware of anything suspicious because the topic was good, but it was smartly directed against a certain business person, and so he made a name for himself as someone who is able to "commission" bad rap, namely, that if he wanted to he could ruin someone's reputation. but this was smartly done. i was not aware, the editor was not aware, etc.). Later he used the newspaper's infrustructure for one intel op abroad, so that from then on he had the owner by the balls, for the rest of his tenure, etc. The only reason it stopped, btw, was because his enemies within the intel wanted his head and presented his affiailaition officially, and didn't back him. so the owner felt free to sack him. The reason intel got rid of him, is that because he started being too dangerous for them, and using his position to blackmail etc. namely, the piss went up to his head, in terms of the BAD GUYS. Otherwise, he would still be there...and I am sure he has a replacement. I think there is a lesson in that too. All those "moles" in the press are certain candidates for a decapitation, because they are potentially dangerous for the orgs.<br>--<br>As for the majority of the media owners, usually they are fully cooperative because they are themselves part of the "power elite". etc./ I am quite sure the same is done in your country. these are cases that are hard to expose until they are irrelevant, OR they eventually hurt the wrong person. But the Miller affair reminded me of this MO. IMportant to bear in mind that you can't easily blame someone. Usually, it is so sophisticated...the reigns are usually in the hands of the highest intel authorities. So, I wouldn't go running to call anyone "gatekeeper" before you walk in their shoes to see how easy a person, as mighty as he is or smart, can be taken on a ride. These are<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong> professionals</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> who are running this show, and they have ALL the powers in their hands. <br>--<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: left/right bogus

Postby robertdreed » Thu May 18, 2006 12:07 pm

<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>The battles at Pacifica (Goodman's network) are too involved to go into here, but they were basically the victims of a hostile takeover by more "mainstream" types. Very ugly battle ensued. It happened for a reason.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>Unless you're referring to a quite recent action, you're mistaken. Pacifica did NOT succumb to a hostile takeover (at the hands of Demolibs and Clintonites led by Mary Frances Berry, former Clinton appointee to the chairmanship of the Civil Rights Commission. ) They successfully fended it off. <br><br>More information at <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.savepacifica.net/">www.savepacifica.net/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>a good history of the attempted "coup", lots of article links <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.glib.com/pac_theft_menu.html">www.glib.com/pac_theft_menu.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: left/right bogus

Postby Dreams End » Thu May 18, 2006 12:51 pm

correct, rdr. should have read "hostile takeover attempt." Friend of mine is on the board of kpfk in Los Angeles.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: left/right bogus

Postby robertdreed » Thu May 18, 2006 1:45 pm

Important note: <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Democracy Now</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->'s Amy Goodman was one of the leaders of the successful resistance to the attempted Pacifica takeover. Which was a very near thing, in fact, and which would have been accomplished if the programming staffs and listeners hadn't rallied- at the two largest outlets, KPFA and WBAI, in particular. The other three stations- WPFW, KPFK, and the Houston station- were led or heavily influenced by people favoring the takeover.<br><br>If Goodman and Larry Bensky were part of a covert faction seeking to deliver Pacifica into the hands of "gatekeepers" once and for all, 1999 would have been the time to enable it. <br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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