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by **proldic** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 8:06 pm

Supposed Establishment Turncoats/Insiders/Whistleblowers? Then... Former AG under Johnson Vigorously prosecuted black riots, endorsed psycho-surgery, Cointelpro, P-I complex. Deeply involved in JFK & MLK cover-up? Now: IAC/Answer founder. IAC/Answer is a secretive, hierarchical, power-hungry organization that has a fairly dominant influence on the left-protest scene. They are seen by most of the left as disruptionist "communist"/"stalinist", although they are not friendly with US CP. One of their primary - if not key-causes is promoting the Palestinian cause in the US left. John Judge: "Red, White, and Blue-Baiting by Answer" <a href="http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/JohnJudge/RWBbaiting.html">www.ratical.org/ratville/...iting.html</a> Ramsey is the American version of Jaques Verges (<a href="http://www.namebase.org/cgi-bin/nb06?_VERGES_JACQUES_)">www.namebase.org/cgi-bin/..._JACQUES_)</a> Jared Israel and Nico Varkevisser: "How Ramsey Clark Championed Baltic Nazi War Criminals ...and he's still doing it." <a href="http://emperors-clothes.com/ramsey/ramsey4.htm">emperors-clothes.com/ramsey/ramsey4.htm</a>

by **proldic** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 11:03 pm

A few of the many selections from the chomsky file: For his linguistic research he received military grants and funding. #1 conspiracy gatekeeper going back to JFK, Iran Contra/Christic/BCCI, 9/11. Anarchist lover of Smith. Adam Smith=Anarchism. Intellectual henchman and bringer of the Pentagon's "mechanical language" - necessary for Echelon-Carnivore total surv. society. No more pesky Navajo code talk! from: <a href="http://homepages.uel.ac.uk/C.Knight/chomsky.htm">homepages.uel.ac.uk/C.Knight/chomsky.htm</a> "While the overthrow of behavourism was widely celebrated, the ‘revolution’ intended by Chomsky’s corporate sponsors had nothing to do with the establishment of a science of human meaning. As these forces championed Chomsky in steering the ‘cognitive revolution’ along channels narrowly defined by their specific commercial and political goals, the intellectuals who had supported generativism ‘from the left’ felt betrayed. Had they been able to unite, they might have comprised a formidable intellectual and political force. In the event, however, Chomsky’s politics served him and his sponsors well. Left-wing resistance to Chomsky’s science was always tempered by respect for his moral and political integrity. How do you attack an ‘enemy’ who is on your own side? The ambivalence ended up simply paralysing the opposition, whose splits and disagreements left Chomsky with a free hand — which he used quite mercilessly. It is fair to say that most of those linguists and other creative thinkers whose contributions were excluded by Chomsky had political sympathies not vastly different from his own. Together, they could have mounted an impressive intellectual defence of the unity and autonomy of science. In the event, it was Chomsky’s defection that sealed their fate. Alienated from the academic mainstream, this talented individual was in effect selected by corporate America to do an extraordinary double-act, playing the role of chief enforcer for the new corporate science at home – while using this very status to gain a hearing as the most eloquent academic critic of U.S. policies elsewhere across the globe."

by **AnnaLiviaPlurabelle** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 2:12 pm

The weather’s in overdrive and so’s my veggie garden. Harvest won’t wait, and I’m not about to let all this beautiful food go to waste…thus my absence/non-response. So sorry! Am chained to the yard and kitchen (and the heat index is 115 here today). Though I do manage the RI main page (AWESOME latest article on the "comfort" of conspiracy theory!), have missed last several days of posts in here. (boo hoo!) But just HAD to say more thanks right now, for more on leftgatekeeping, and way beyond. Am trying to squeeze in reading more links, as can. That namebase site is a spectacular find at this point for me. the following page really helpful! (I’ve snipped in a little from an afterword to the main article, which i recommend reading first.) good to recommend this page to other noobs? It starts with verifiable (perfectly acceptable) facts, and as for the “farther-out-there” stuff, it shows how waters do get muddied….so people can stop dismissing whole issues and events out-of-hand. A sane and “reserved” piece, and IMO, a good early urging/impetus to LOOK DEEPER…esp. at the CIA. (Heck, any taxpayer oughta perk up his ears just over the money spent) deals with the getting overwhelmed aspect nicely, too. Good summary. Anyway…BIG thanks for ALL your enlightening posts and thoughtful viewpoints…and for the kind welcomes, and best wishes to all, back soon as I can! ALP Sidebar from NameBase NewsLine, No. 12, January-March 1996: Mind Control and the Internet by Tom Porter The Internet is a prodigious source of information, but using it has been compared to "trying to sip from a firehose." Access to this flood of data comes at a price: Net researchers spend much of their time sifting the valuable from the dubious from the insane. Never has this been more true than in dealing with Net resources on the topic of mind control. To begin with, there is the problem of definition. "Mind control" has been taken to mean many different things, and all these definitions have their advocates on the Net. Some of the discussion on the Internet involves the purported harassment of individuals for the purpose of disorienting them, or decreasing their ability to discuss issues of importance. This includes the use of less-than-lethal technologies such as microwave or ELF irradiation, sonics, and other techniques. Ed Light and Julianne McKinney argue that such harassment is real. Other research and commentary on the Net concerns individual mind control by means of what I call "structured abuse," and what L. Ron Hubbard once identified as "drug/pain/hypnosis" conditioning. Discussions on this topic can be found on many pages related to satanic ritual abuse, alien abductions, and the "false memory syndrome" debate. This area is where my research efforts are concentrated. (snip) …we know that in the past intelligence agencies have committed crimes they called "research." The Rockefeller Commission and the Church Committee in the 1970s exposed some of the horrors of the CIA's MKULTRA programs, and it remains extremely likely that much more remains hidden. (snip) The Net is a particularly fertile field for anyone investigating possible links between satanic ritual abuse and mind control. There's a Net site that supports every imaginable position, from False Memory Syndrome Foundation's iron-clad skepticism (ALP inserts: I think the author is mistaken in calling FMSF “skeptics”. They seem to me to be “distractors” and “confusers” with an agenda to hide the truth. I put them in the money camp, wearing the black hats.) (ah, geez another aside: I couldn’t more strongly agree with Jeff, when he said “we need to claim/reclaim that word “skeptic”. WE are the skeptics, not those who blindly swallow what they want to hear and have always heard!) …to fundamentalist pages proclaiming tens of thousands of abuse victims per year. My own opinion is that the application of "structured abuse" to young children, combined with classical conditioning techniques, could create alternate personalities that could be easily controlled and manipulated. This would not require complex technology, only secrecy and ruthlessness. Any group capable of such techniques would see "benefits" in the existence of such slaves. Some claim that purported "satanic ritual abuse" can be a cover for experiments by intelligence agencies. My own opinion is that this claim ought not to be rejected out of hand. The CIA has a record of distancing itself from morally-indefensible operations by using fronts and cutouts. (snip) The CIA has a history of attempting to manipulate the existence of cults and other mass- psychological phenomena to advance its objectives. And the same could be true of the Internet. On the Net, information flows rapidly, and is often impossible to verify. Anonymous rumors can easily be inserted into the data-stream. Paranoia about poisoned sources can easily overtake a researcher. As a topic for serious discussion on the Net, "UFOlogy" already seems to have self-destructed, and "mind control" may be next. The welcome freewheeling quality of Net discourse is offset by the possibility that important subjects can be trivialized, and then disappear. What is a researcher on this topic to do? (snip) <a href="http://www.namebase.org/news12.html">www.namebase.org/news12.html</a>

by **DrDebugDU** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 3:11 pm

Thanks for your great post. I love namebase as well. It's a magnificant tool to find out what to look for in a name. For a couple of days I've been looking into the RI subject as well and it's indeed a confusing subject. The reason why I think there is a lot more to it than the sceptics wants us to believe is the history throughout the ages and things don't suddenly stop in the 21st century, but tend to continue throughout centuries, since mankind evolves very very slowly and without active learning routines including abuse are passed on from generation to generation. I agree without about the disinformation provided by the "FMSF" sceptics especially since it has a high Oprah quality to it nowadays and her corporate interests are gigantic. Of course the numbers mentioned by some people are of course too high, but in general trials have to be conducted with at least several hunderd upto a thousand people to be statistical relevant and since the CIA (undoubtable) ran multiple trials we are talking about at least many thousands. I found a very good website yesterday. It has lots of information: <a href="http://home.att.net/~mcra/">home.att.net/~mcra/</a> I love the story from Dick Sutphen, an NLP expert and he describes how for example Revivalist are actively using Mind Control. A small excerpt: <blockquote>Quote:<hr> The Battle for Your Mind Persuasion & Brainwashing Techniques Being Used on the Public Today By Dick Sutphen How Revivalist Preachers Work If you’d like to see a revivalist preacher at work, there are probably several in your city. Go to the church or tent early and sit in the rear, about three-quarters of the way back. Most likely repetitive music will be played while the people come in for the service. A repetitive beat, ideally ranging from 45 to 72 beats per minute (a rhythm close to the beat of a human heart), is very hypnotic and can generate an eyes-open altered state of consciousness in a very high percentage of people. And, once you are in an alpha state, you are at least 25 items as suggestible as you would be in full beta consciousness. The music is probably the sane for every service, or incorporates the same beat, and many of the people will go into an altered state almost immediately upon entering the sanctuary. Subconsciously, they recall their state of mind from previous services and respond according to the post-hypnotic programming. Watch the people waiting for the service to begin. Many will exhibit external signs of trance —body relaxation and slightly dilated eyes. Often, they begin swaying back and forth with their hands in the air while sitting in their chairs. Next, the assistant pastor will come out. He usually speaks with a “voice roll.” Voice Roll Technique A voice roll is a patterned, paced style used by hypnotists when inducing a trance. It is also used by many lawyers, several of whom are highly trained hypnotists, when they desire to entrench a point firmly in the minds of the jurors. A voice roll can sound as if the speaker were talking to the beat of a metronome or it may sound as though he were emphasizing every word in a monotonous, patterned style. The words will usually be delivered at the rate of 45 to 60 beats per minute, maximizing the hypnotic effect. Now the assistant pastor begins the “build-up” process. He induces an altered state of consciousness and/or begins to generate the excitement and the expectations of the audience. Next, a group of young women in “sweet and pure” chiffon dresses might come out to sing a song. Gospel songs are great for building excitement and involvement. In the middle of the song, one of the girls might be “smitten by the spirit” and fall down or react as if possessed by the Holy Spirit. This very effectively increases the intensity in the room. At this point, hypnosis and conversion tactics are being mixed. And the result is the audience’s attention span is now totally focused upon the communication while the environment becomes more exciting or tense. Right about this time, when an eyes-open mass-induced alpha mental state has been achieved, they will usually pass the collection plate or basket. In the background, a 45-beat-per-minute voice roll from the assistant preacher might exhort, “Give to God . . . Give to God . . . Give to God . . .” And the audience does give. God may not get the money, but his already wealthy representative will. Next, the fire-and-brimstone preacher will come out. He induces fear and increases the tension by talking about “the devil,” “going to hell” or the forthcoming Armageddon. In the last such rally I attended, the preacher talker about the blood that would soon be running out of every faucet in the land. He was also obsessed with a “bloody axe of God,” which everyone had seen hanging above the pulpit the previous week. I have no doubt that everyone saw it—the power of suggestion given to hundreds of people in hypnosis assures that at least 10 to 25 percent would see whatever he suggested they see. In most revivalist gatherings, “testifying” or “witnessing” usually follows the fear-based sermon. People from the audience come up on stage and relate their stories. “I was crippled and now I can walk!” “I had arthritis and now it’s gone!” It is a psychological manipulation that works. After listening to numerous case histories of miraculous healings, the average guy in the audience with a minor problem is sure he can be healed. The room is charged with fear, guilt, intense excitement and expectations. Now those who want to be healed are frequently lined up around the edge of the room, or they are told to come down to the front. The preacher might touch them on the head firmly and scream, “Be healed!” This releases the psychic energy and, for many catharsis results. Catharsis is a purging of repressed emotions. Individuals might cry, fall down or even go into spasms. And if catharsis is effected, they stand a chance of being healed. In catharsis (one of the three brain phases mentioned earlier), the brain-slate is temporarily wiped clean and the new suggestion is accepted. For some, the healing may be permanent. For many, it will last four days to a week—a week is, incidentally, how long a hypnotic suggestion given to a somnambulistic subject will usually last. Even if the healing doesn’t last, if they come back every week the power of suggestion may continually override the problem . . . or sometimes, sadly, it can mask a physical problem which could prove to be very detrimental to the individual in the long run. I’m not saying that legitimate healings do not take place. They do. Maybe the individual was ready to let go of the negativity that caused the problem in the first place; maybe it was the work of God. Yet I contend that it can be explained with existing knowledge of brain/mind function. The techniques and staging will vary from church to church. Many use “speaking in tongues” to generate catharsis in some while the spectacle creates intense excitement in the observers. The use of hypnotic and conversion techniques by religions is sophisticated, and professionals are assuring that they become ever more effective. A man in Los Angeles is designing, building and reworking a lot of churches around the county. He tells ministers what they need and how to use it. This man’s track record indicates that the congregation and the monetary income will double if the minister follows his instructions. He admits that about 80 percent of his efforts are in the sound system and lighting. <a href="http://home.att.net/~mcra/brainwas.htm">home.att.net/~mcra/brainwas.htm</a> <hr></blockquote> Edited by: <A HREF=http://p097.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=drdebugdu>DrDebugDU</A> at: 7/23/05 1:12 pm

by **AnnaLivia** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 3:44 pm

aw don't EVEN get me started on the Priestcrafters, Doc! i might spontaneously combust in this heat. still chopping and freezing onions, since they bolted this year and won't keep. but will add this thought quickly: How many people generally do you suppose…ever noticed the actually rather striking fact that we have six continents, all of which have names that start and end with the letter A, and one sub-continent that begins and ends in the second vowel? Africa, Asia, Antarctica, Australia, and the Americas…and Europe. What are the odds of this happening? Everyone knows the names of the continents. They are in plain sight. But honestly, do people ever note the A and E thing? The moral of the story is this: We know things can be too small to be easily seen (so we invented microscopes). Let us understand that there exist things too big to be easily seen, as well.

by **DrDebugDU** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 4:34 pm

How many people realize that the reason why Europe is the odd one out is because it was named the Cretean moon goddess who had sex with Zeus who appeared to her as white bull, ie. a bullfucker <img src="http://www.xtywebworks.ns.ca/images/EB1.jpg"/> <a href="http://www.big.com.au/fallen/europa.html">www.big.com.au/fallen/europa.html</a> And the reason for Abraham, the father of Judaism, Christianity and Islam to leave Ur was because they worshipped the moon. The people of Ur called the moon Sin. Our word for Sin comes from that god. The symbol of Sin was: <img src="http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-anatolian-karum2-1900bc-close.gif"/> <a href="http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-photos-moon-worship-archealolgy.htm">www.bible.ca/islam/islam-photos-moon-worship-archealolgy.htm</a> And the star of David which originated with Sin became the symbol of Judaism and the Crescent moon which originated with Sin became the symbol of Islam. Two religions founded by somebody opposing the worship of Sin. The third religion based on Abraham's philosophy became the dominant religion in the continent named after the moon. The moral of this story: History is full of confusion...

by **hmm** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 4:44 pm

fascinating!very relevant to behaviour modification if you ask me.I read A.E. van Vogt as a kid,it blew my mind <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"> "The term non-Aristotelian logic, sometimes shortened to null-A, is a term popularised by A. E. van Vogt and deriving from Alfred Korzybski's General Semantics. It is taken as meaning any non-classical system of logic which uses three or more truth values to render relatively 'subjective' conclusions from inductive logic" The three major premises of the system are (1) the map is not the territory, (2) the map does not show all of the territory, and (3) the map is self-reflexive. The mapmakers are us human beings, the territory is 'reality.' the map is not the territory <- i think that is such a complete statement,it still blows my mind! <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Aristotelian_logic">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non...lian_logic</a> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Semantics">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Semantics</a>

by **Sweejak** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 5:40 pm

Here is a good example of gate keeping, or is it? Just a dust up? Jared Israel on 'How the Lies of Scott Ritter Reveal the Strategic Goals of the Bizarre Iraq War' - A Series <a href="http://emperors-clothes.com/analysis/ritter.htm">emperors-clothes.com/analysis/ritter.htm</a> ======= and: Why Jared Israel Is Attacking Scott Ritter And Deceiving The 9-11 Truth Movement. <a href="http://www.serendipity.li/zionism/bilk01.htm#B">www.serendipity.li/zionism/bilk01.htm#B</a>

by **a noun a moose** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 6:35 pm

Sweejak says we need more women on posts. How can you tell what gender people are? And why does it matter? Sounds rather condescending to me. Unless Sweejak is a woman. Sorry. Just hit me the wrong way.

by **hmm** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 7:23 pm

i think there is a important point that in general "we" need more non-white-male thought in society. And the beauty of the internet is a person is their personality. So regardless of physical form i would say more listening to the feminine voices is just what this planet needs. As a white male i can say without being attacked that we have had our chance at running things and boy have we messed things up. A start would be actually listening to what women have to say which is something i rarely see in "real life"

by **Sweejak** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 7:50 pm

Oh yes it was my feminine side speaking. Let me put it this way, we could use more of the feminine perspective and viewpoint. Maybe more to the point I was trying to make; the refreshing way that many women converse and debate. JMO of course. How many women are here? I don't know but I'll wager that the vast majority on most boards are men. Why would that be? And to take it a little further I do treasure boards that have many members from nations other than those in North America and UK... In a word, and a hijacked word it is, I like diversity. Is that PC enough?

by **hmm** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 8:23 pm

hmm <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"> I think Jared Israel made a couple of REALLY good points but lost a lot of credit in his strange attacks on ritter. his most excellent point was: if you think the problem is Israel (or the likudniks) and the Neocons and getting rid of them will magically solve everything that is wrong you are mistaken.That or they are only one of the more acute tips of the iceberg so to speak. The american democrats have "issues" too? why i say strange attacks is that ritter has the easy defense of "well in the first instance i was ritter the hawk doing my job,in the second i was ritter being a real person" and i think everyone would have accepted that.but i dont see that defense being used.i.e. i have no idea what to think of the significance of any other part of this.

by **Sweejak** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 10:00 pm

<a href="http://infowars.com/articles/London_attack/netanyahu_warning_confirmed.htm">infowars.com/articles/Lon...firmed.htm</a> <blockquote>Quote:<hr>The Kossacks, as they call themselves, are trying to clean their act up so that they can be more closely associated with the Democratic party apparatus. However, why limit themselves to condemning my column: why not condemn AP as an “illegitimate source” for publishing the news of Netanyahu’s foreknowledge to begin with?<hr></blockquote>

by **a noun a moose** » Sun Jul 24, 2005 11:05 am

I appreciate your quest for diversity and your admission that white males have messed things up to the point where it may be time to give the little ladies a chance to speak. However, may I remind you that not all women are nice. Take Nancy Reagan, Condy Rice, Phyllis Schafly, radio hosts Laura Ingraham and Dr. Laura, for example. Well, I guess Schafly is the ultimate femme, but she's not someone whose viewpoint I'd welcome on this board.

by **Sweejak** » Sun Jul 24, 2005 12:14 pm

True enough not all women are nice. It's just a general personal observation on my part that women perhaps have a more conversational style and are more willing to share personal observations. Beyond that I ain't going. But I still wonder why it is that the vast majority of forums seem to be male.

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