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Re: Does TV really induce violence? Yes.

Postby Attack Ships on Fire » Tue Jun 13, 2006 2:50 am

Well Hugh, you sure info dumped me. I have to go back and re-read all of what you said, as well as look up the references as I'm not educated on some of the info that you bring up. However, I am somewhat familar with the programs on the idiot box and the creation of TV programs.<br><br>You seem to be insinuating that shows like "Buffy" are presenting a strong female character because someone, somewhere has a Master Plan (MP) to aggressivize women. I believe that "Buffy" came about because it was a cheap and inexpensive property for The WB, Buffy's former network, to translate into a TV show. It fit the criteria for The WB's demographic: young, good-looking characters, fantasy elements that don't come too close to being a straight drama, soap opera characterization and plenty of excuses (fighting vampires) to fit in 3-5 action sequences per episode. That's the way it works in Hollywood: they exist to make money. The showrunner, Joss Whedon, is third-generation Hollywood, so the network felt capable that he could deliver the show on time and budget. The Kuzuis, a couple, owned the rights (they were producers on the Fox theatrical movie) and remained exec producers on the series.<br><br>In spite of all the media talk it received, "Buffy" was never a big hit. It did develop a very loyal fan following, partly as a result of the superior writing of the "teen speak" dialogue and also because it spoke to teenage girls by giving them a heroine that could fight and defeat vampires but faced boyfriend troubles. They could relate to her, and really, aside from "Felicity" in the early-mid 90s, there wasn't much else for teen girls to glom onto that focused solely on a teen heroine as the show's main character.<br><br>"Buffy" was cancelled after 5 seasons but it made it to 7 because UPN picked it up. UPN's ratings were so low, they were hoping the Buffy crowd would spike its demographic. It didn't work.<br><br>I just can't see "Buffy" being part of an elaborate psyop. Parts of it can fit into a thesis but the overall agenda of the show, its seasons and its troubled production history don't fit with a show that was backed by a sinister agenda to produce 7 seasons worth of programming material for young female minds. "Buffy" got made because it was cheap to do for Fox back in 1992, and maybe it got some help standing on the shoulders of Ripley in James Cameron's "Aliens". If "Buffy" were a psyop, I would think that there would be a spinoff series on TV right now, perpetuating the programming, but there isn't.<br><br>Now, you can make a case that TV network shows, as a whole, reflect the psyche of society and I may agree with you, to a certain extent. I don't think it's coincidence that just about every sitcom presently on TV has an overweight blue collar husband who's loveably stupid and an attractive, slimmer, long-suffering wife that tolerates said husband. It may be a trend of Hollywood, it may be a reflection of society reducing the masculinity of males and presenting them as good-hearted guys but still stupid slobs, or it may be that successful comedians generally tend to be pudgy while women have to put more effort into their appearance because Hollywood nearly always shows stereotypically attractive women thinking it will appeal to both sexes. In any case, I don't believe "Buffy" was part of any covert pogrom.<br><br>I promise to re-read the rest of your messages and try to see it from the perspective you present. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Background on Buffy.

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Tue Jun 13, 2006 3:14 am

Thanks for the info, ASoF. I'll look more at that, too.<br>"Info dumped me." Yeah, well. Any point worth making...lol.<br><br>Regarding money, certainly money is a strong motivator and makes the perfect infrastructure supporting the media carrier wave for state-sanctioned values. After all, that is part of the message:<br>Money=survival=virtue.<br>and<br>Rich and poor get what they deserve=capitalism is moral.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>The showrunner, Joss Whedon, is third-generation Hollywood<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>And there are military families, too, with all the sanctioned behavior that perpetuates. <br><br>Once the task of engaging the masses is taken on, elements of psychology and narratives with successful track records do serve to institutionalize themes and become more or less self-perpetuating.<br><br>'It' has pretty much all been done before and gets repackaged.<br><br>But the fighting themes of the 1950s and 1960s were pushed behind a 'kinder gentler' mask for the Vietnam Syndrome* 1970s and slowly brought back out during the Reagan Wars Against the Poor.<br><br>(Oh, the name of the arch villian in the family superhero cartoon 'The Incredibles?' "Syndrome*.")<br><br>Those stats on violence in girls going up says something and loudly. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=hughmanateewins>Hugh Manatee Wins</A> at: 6/13/06 1:18 am<br></i>
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Re: Background on Buffy.

Postby dugoboy » Tue Jun 13, 2006 11:25 am

hey hugh that picture of the whiteway 'laundry services' sign reminds me of this small grocery store about 50 miles south of chicago called 'Kerrys Kold Kuts' i shit you not. its a new store, still in business. its kind of a statement thats being made because more black people are moving out into the chicago suburbs as housing projects like cabreni green are getting torn down. and guess what happens? all the white people are moving back into the city or simply leaving the state. whats ended up happening is that what used to be chicago's problem, is now the suburbs problem. <p>___________________________________________<br>"BUSHCO aren't incompetent...they are COMPLICIT." -Me<br><br>"Speaking the Truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act" -George Orwell</p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=dugoboy@rigorousintuition>dugoboy</A> at: 6/13/06 9:31 am<br></i>
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