The Da Vinci Code movie

by **CyberChrist** » Fri Jun 09, 2006 11:21 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>-it gives people the idea that some magical person could be walking around Earth who will one day stand up and become our Lord and Savior (so we don't have to do it our psychospiritually-lazy-ass-selves). ie still a continuation of the myth they appear to be debunking.<hr></blockquote> From talking to a lot of people after the movie, I didn't get this impression at all. I got the impression that most people thought it was interesting, but that it was fiction and not a very good adaptation of the movie. On that same note though, the Christian fundies also make the claim that the Antichrist is someone that is walking around now and will make the claim to be a living god. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>-it shows people that things might not be as they seem, and belief is a dangerous thing. especially belief in symbolic entities and archetypes as actual, external beings (hint wink nudge hint). ie read Carl Jung.<hr></blockquote> i agree. If anything, this movie showed the possibility to people that things are not always what they seem to be and that if you dig just underneath the surface, strange things begin to appear. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Wonder what good will come of the United 93, the new 911 flick.<hr></blockquote> Between that movie and the new Oliver Stone 911 movie, I think there will be a backlash and a demand for the government to release all remaining evidence on 911. -- CyberChrist http://www.hackerjournal.org My brain is hung like a horse.

by **CyberChrist** » Fri Jun 09, 2006 11:34 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>"Do you think that's farfetched then? ' no but dont think the templars would do us commonersany favors I think the TepmlarsIF they do existareas corrupt as any of the rest vatcicans jesuits fremaosn ect..<hr></blockquote> The Templars ceased to exist as a group when DeMolay was burned at the stake. I don't think anyone has claimed otherwise. Those that did survive went off into the Freemasons, especially the Scottish Rite, and others wnet off on their own and actually became pirates. The Jolly Roger flag, after all, is nothing more than the Skull & Bones, which was part of the Templar imagery. But if they were around, I don't think they would do commoners any favors either, especially considering that most commoners can't grasp the concept of religion and history and barely have the fortitude to speak up about their rights being violated. It'd be like throwing pearls to pigs. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>It was a propaganda hit piece by the worst duo in jollywood that of hanks howie and the masses have more religious debate to divide them as to whether Christ got lucky with some Babe..NOTICE how the flick came out when Herr Bushler was pushing his anti-Gay marriage bill and trying to again divide the masses about illegal immigration<hr></blockquote> I don't know. I don't see it as badly as you do I guess. To me, it would have been remarkable enough for a Jewish man of his age not to be married that it would have been explicitly mentioned in the Gospels somewhere. In fact, ealry versions of the Gospel of Mark (pre-Council of Nicea) seem to suggest that the wedding at Canaan was the wedding of Jesus. Modern versions don't even mention the bride or the groom, but the older versions, while not mentioning it directly, Also, the flick has been in production for 2 years, so I can't say that this was purposely put out to detract from any anti-gay debate. In fact, the last thing the Administration wants to do is to take people's minds off of the fact that they debated the issue because it's one of their party planks and they want the ultra-right-wing conservatives to know that they "tried". It's also an issue that comes up nearly every election. The effort to amend the Constitution to bar gay marriage also came up in 2002 I believe. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>MEANWHILE the war drags on and bush and the band of evil brothers loot the treasury with YET another tax break for the UBER RICH . ZEIL HEIL!<hr></blockquote> That tax break was defeated by the way. -- CyberChrist http://www.hackerjournal.org My brain is hung like a horse.

by **dbeach** » Fri Jun 09, 2006 12:32 pm

tax break is gonna resuface ain't gonna agree with you on most.

by **CyberChrist** » Fri Jun 09, 2006 12:42 pm

the "Tax thing" resurfaces every couple of years and gets defeated every couple of years. Do some research and you'll find that it's a repeal on a tax that affects 0.27% of all estates, meaning that 99.73% of all estates are not going to be affected either way by this repeal. The very fact that it came up at all should be a hint that 18 families in America, such as the Hiltons, the Mars, the Vanderbilts, and so on, have enough money and power to push aside debate on things such as the war in Iraq so that the Senate can give 18 families a tax break. It's an oligarchy, not a democracy. Anyway, I can't agree that this tax debate is anything to worry about. Do the research and you'll see how shallow the issue is as well. -- CyberChrist http://www.hackerjournal.org My brain is hung like a horse.

by **sunny** » Sat Jun 10, 2006 12:04 am

I wouldn't care if Jesus had been married. BUT- as the bible in no way describes marriage as a sin, it would in no way have reflected badly on Jesus if he were. Therefore, writers of the gospels would have mentioned it had it been the case, since there would have been no reason not to. DVC makes it seem as if Jesus engaged in something illicit, something to be hidden. In terms of propriety, Jesus was not exactly a Jewish mamas dream boy, what with all that fraternizing with tax collectors, throwing tables around in the temple, and picking and eating grain on the Sabbath and such. BTW, a careful reading suggests to me that Mary Magdalen was not at all a prostitute, but someone shunned by the community for "living in sin" with a man. Yet, Jesus accepted her into the fold.

by **dbeach** » Sat Jun 10, 2006 12:46 am

I agree with you SUNNY MM was most likely a gal from a nice home kinda likea groupie .. not a slut just Hero worshipppin JC who just so happens to be God

by **BannedfromDU** » Sat Jun 10, 2006 2:07 am

Also re: the last scene , and building on my first post to this thread in that regard ( & the releasing of the Feminine)...Has anyone considered the female character's name? Perhaps coincidence, but I suspected her very early on as the 'grail' and by metaphor, the sacred Feminine to be integrated that Hanks' character became an intitate. It was a guess based partly upon her name...again, perhaps coincidence, perhaps not. 'Sophie' was the woman's name...Sophia Excerpts from- ==================== C. G. Jung and the Alchemical Renewal  by Stephan A. Hoeller The Alchemical Sophia It is here that some of the considerations outlined at the outset of our present study appear once more. Alchemy is not a phenomenon sui generis, but rather a phenomenon of attempted assimilation proceeding from Gnosticism - or at least so Jung believed. Even the chief sacrament of Christendom, the Holy Eucharist or Mass, was regarded by Jung as an alchemical work connected with a Third Century Gnostic alchemist Zosimos of Panopolis, in whom he placed the historical point of the convergence of Gnosticism and alchemy. (These considerations were explained by Jung in his Transformation Symbolism in the Mass, first published in the Eranos Yearbook 1944/45, and later included in Psychology and Western Religion, Princeton University Press, 1984.) Years later, one of Jung's academic associates, Prof. Gilles Quispel, came to coin a phrase reflecting Jung's point of view. "Alchemy," the Dutch scholar said, "is the Yoga of the Gnostics." Perhaps one of the most significant contributions along these lines was given to us by Jung's singularly insightful disciple Marie-Louise von Franz, who devoted herself to the translation and explanation of a treatise first discovered by Jung entitled Aurora Consurgens and attributed to St Thomas Aquinas. This renowned saint, so the legend states, had a vision of the Sophia of God after meditating on the Song of Songs of Solomon and, following the command received in the vision, wrote this alchemical treatise. The Aurora differs from most other alchemical works inasmuch as its format is predominantly religious and filled with biblical references, and even more importantly, because it represents the alchemical opus as a process whereby the feminine wisdom Sophia must be liberated. Written in seven poetic but scholarly chapters, the treatise traces the liberation of Sophia from confinement by way of the alchemical phases of transformation. Crying from the depths of the chaos of this world, the wisdom-woman Sophia calls out to the alchemists of our age. Depth-psychology has indeed served as one of the principal avenues through which this redemptive project has been made known. The time may be approaching, and may in fact have come already, when potential alchemists in various disciplines and spiritual traditions may address themselves to this universal task of alchemical liberation. In 1950 Jung was greatly encouraged when Pope Pius XII used several manifestly alchemical allusions, such as "heavenly marriage", in Apostolic Constitution, "Munificentissimus Deus", the official document declaring the dogma of the assumption of the Virgin Mary, (the Catholic Sophia). In our time alchemy has come into its own, and beginning with the most recent two decades Gnosticism has begun its return journey also. The stone that the builders rejected is moving ever closer to the structure of Western culture.  LINK TO FULL - <a href="http://www.gnosis.org/jung_alchemy.htm">www.gnosis.org/jung_alchemy.htm</a>

by **LilyPatToo** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 3:08 pm

Not sure this thread's still active, but....I was very interested to see the range of opinions represented here, since I've encountered most of them elsewhere, too, and been surprised at the depth of feeling behind them. And that goes for the dismissive ones, too. Rarely have I heard such emotion expressed over a wide-release film of a best-seller, which makes me wonder if perhaps it isn't due more to the themes touched upon having hit a nerve or two. When "DVC" premiered at Cannes, I cringed--what was Howard thinking of when he planned that?! It's possibly THE most snotty and snobbish of all film festivals (which is saying something! *LOL*) and it's held in a traditionally Roman Catholic country--! It would have been my last choice for a premiere venue for this particular film, based as it was on a best-selling novel that infuriated most literary critics who, of course, had not managed to pen bestsellers themselves ;o) But that aside, I thought Ron Howard and Akiva Goldsman did a pretty good job of transferring the complexities of the plot to the big screen. And his casting choices, with which I had real reservations prior to seeing the movie, turned out to be good, IMO. If he'd chosen a less intelligent actor for Langdon's role, I think the movie would have sunk without a trace, to be honest. Listening to people (that I knew personally) critique it, I found that the detractors fell into 2 main camps--the kind of snobs who pooh-pooh all mainstream movies made from bestselling books and the people who have a kneejerk negative reaction to anything with even the faintest whiff of conspiracy about it. My friends who enjoyed it a lot also fell into two main groups--those folks who are pretty laid-back and go to the movies mainly to be entertained and the ones who have a passionate interest in the subject matter. Some of the latter are former Roman Catholics, like me, who now embrace feminine-centric faiths, so we caught the many interesting details tucked into the script and the set decoration--for one, did anyone else catch the glimpse of the Black Virgin statue standing (oddly) on the monk's fireplace mantle? And I'm quite sure that the choice of the name "Sophie" was not accidental. Sophia means “Wisdom personafied” to me. The music appealed to me so much that I'd bought the soundtrack from the iTunes store at least a week before the movie came out. That may be due to a personal preference for listening to classical music and a particular love of ecclesiastical-sounding music that I suspect formed in my misspent RC youth. I thought that the music was extremely well-chosen for a movie so steeped in "high Church" settings and lore and was amazed to find that other people disagreed violently with that...again I've come to wonder if perhaps they had deep-seated prejudices to religous and/or classical music of which they are unaware. Or, perhaps, it's their allergy to conspiracy themes in general to which they're reacting? Just MHO, YMMV. LilyPat

by **Joe Hillshoist** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 7:43 am

The ain soph is the limitless light that surrounds the Cabbalistic tree of life BTW. Some gnostics believe a godess named Sophie created the universe after masturbating. The entire universe is the result of her orgasm. Can't remember where I heard that one. All the Sophies I have known have been extraordinary individuals. I actually had a discussion with one and her twin sister, about something very similar to the Da Vinci Code/ Eco Focaults Pendulum, Blood/Grail thing. Over a dozen years ago. If there is a bloodline, i am part of it. For sure. It didn't start at jesus. Probably over half the worlds population, if not more, by now has the bloodline. Who cares. And even if not. Its a good assumption to make. Why stop there. I am the messiah. Thats also a good assumption, lets all make it, then get off our sorry arses and do something about this stupid ugly mess we have made of our world. And stop waiting for some other dickhead to do it for us. I have planted millions of trees over my lifetime. If you include the ones I have raised and others have planted. But I have probably planted hundreds of thousands of them myself. Heaps of other people have too. They usually get paid 3 to 8 cents per tree. So you have to plant 2 or 3000 a day to make it worthwhile. Thats a start on one level. An extra 75 bucks a year gets you electricity from "sustainable" non polluting sources around here. Better than nuclear and coal. There are always people looking for help and compassion. go give them some. Sorry, that was a bit much. still the mention of the black virgin is one cool thing. I wonder if there are codes in the da vinci code, not the memes Hugh is referring to, but other specific smart arse things along the line of the black virgin.

by **LilyPatToo** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 1:53 pm

If there are other codes, I'm going to need some help in identifying and deciphering them. Despite having lost count of the number of times I've now seen this film, I get sucked into it so completely that it's difficult to emerge from the dissociative trance it evokes and focus on details. In fact, I tend to come away from each viewing with just one image/glimpse/question....Time before last, it was the black pearl jewelry that Sophie wears. Very similar jewelry had been given to me as a teenager and I'd always wondered about it, since we were quite poor then. So I mentioned it on another site and a helpful woman dug up a reference to black pearls in, of all places, Fritz Springmeier & Cisco Wheeler's "Deeper Insights Into The Illuminati Formula" -- <a href="http://www.whale.to/b/sp/d4.html">www.whale.to/b/sp/d4.html</a> If you will click on "The Monarch Programming Script for Over the Rainbow", you'll find a very striking reference to a black pearl that's used to calm and center slaves and also as a place to leave memories. They are sealed inside the black pearl. In the movie, many of Sophie's memories are sealed away from her and return only when Langdon questions her very specifically. I don't recall reading about Sophie's jewellry in the book, so I'm assuming that someone familiar with Illuminati symbology was highly-placed within the movie project and included it. I'd love to know who it was, since I've heard rumors that director Ron Howard is "connected". Since I borrowed the copy of the DVC book, I can't look through it for any mention of the jewellry, unfortunately. Dan Brown did a TON of research on it though and it might be in the book. He even hung out on a Yahoo list on the Priory of Sion to which I belong. There are historians posting to it with very esoteric knowledge.... Inside the fleeing armored truck, there is a shot of a container with the word "Aeolus" on it that makes no narrative sense. Each time I see the movie, I'm briefly jolted out of my suspension of disbelief by it, but when I Google the term, all I find is info on the 3 Aeolus characters in ancient mythology and on a project to determine algorithmic principles to build a sort of supercomputer built of linked individual computers--an "overlay" computer system. What IS interesting about the latter is the symbol used by the Aeolus Project's parent corporation (IST)--it's a floating tree with its root system entirely exposed. That is an old, old symbol that I keep coming across in Masonic and Illuminati lore and one that my alter Lily is very drawn to. One appears in an unfinished computer art piece of mine that features her and images/symbols that she gave to me in 2004. The tree is a willow, floating over an endless plain of black and white tiled flooring. You can see the IST tree here -- <a href="http://cordis.europa.eu/ist/fet/gc-sy.htm">cordis.europa.eu/ist/fet/gc-sy.htm</a> My guess is that the movie is filled with such symbolism, for those with "eyes to see"...has anyone else noticed Illuminati symbolism in it or in the book? LilyPat

by **Hugh Manatee Wins** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 7:11 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>I've heard rumors that director Ron Howard is "connected"<hr></blockquote> Since Hollywood is the dream/nightmare factory for Washington DC it seems that any celebrity that develops a strong identity with the masses would then be used as a conduit, probably unwittingly, for mind viruses. Once lil Opie wins America's heart on the Andy Griffith show and grows up to want to direct, I'm sure that culture warriors rubbed their hands with glee thinking 'now America trusts his product and will eat it right up.' Same thing with Tom Hanks as the moral alpha male. Tom Hanks was just drafted into the Army Rangers Hall of Fame for his role in 'Saving Private Ryan.'

by **LilyPatToo** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 9:09 pm

Possible...I know very little about him, but I agree that he sounds perfect for spreading memes. A friend just dropped by who'd just seen "DVC" and asked if the position that Silas falls into as he's dying is occult-related. We think it was very similar to one we've seen on Tarot cards. She thought it was the Fool, but to me it seemed closer to the Hanged Man. Anyone know? (I'm just trying not to have to go dig out my Tarot deck<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/embarassed.gif ALT=":o"> ) Re: the black pearl jewelry--it belatedly occurred to me that a pearl forms around an irritant, to protect the oyster from injury. That correlates well with the idea of memories being irritants that the Illuminati MC programmers would want sealed away within program survivors' minds. So they might be given black pearl jewelry to wear to reinforce the programming. LilyPat

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