Why are 'they' scaring us away from the news?

by **thoughtographer** » Mon May 15, 2006 8:41 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>no man who could suck his own dick would waste a minute's time being online, so i'm doubting that part of the story.<hr></blockquote> It's funny you say that, because intentionally or not, I've seen firsthand proof that plenty of people can indeed do the human oroborus -- and most of them waste WAY more than just a minute's time on the Internet posting pictures of themselves doing it for public display. So, I guess even if you can literally suck your own dick, you're still probably lonely and desperate enough to seek the opinions of others about it. Professor Pan is just one of my many reasons for reading and posting here. His approach is refreshing, and provides a foil to a lot of the hyperbole that's thrown around here. For all of the talk by the regulars here about "divide and conquer" tactics, there sure is a lot of dividing being done by the accusers. Is the ninety-five percent laughing at the five percent? Who cares! If you're not willing to admit that you're occasionally doing a bit of laughing yourself, then your persecution complex will get the best of you someday, and it's not going to be pretty. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Thoughtographer? Does anyone take him seriously?<hr></blockquote> Probably not, my friend. Don't think that I'll let that get in my way. "A crooked stick will cast a crooked shadow."

by **FourthBase** » Tue May 16, 2006 1:04 am

Look, I didn't mean to incite a blame parade. I just wanted to spit bile at PP and tell others to tune him out. But I was mostly just thinking of his posts on this thread. Although I've also seen him pull shit on other threads... I've been a fan of some of his posts, too. So I'm not necessarily anti-PP. He just pissed me off here.

by **NewKid** » Tue May 16, 2006 2:40 am

Hey FB, tell us about how the conspiracy class ended.

by **thoughtographer** » Tue May 16, 2006 3:29 am

Man, this thread STARTED as a blame parade. Okay, I'll admit it: I did it. Sorry. "A crooked stick will cast a crooked shadow."

by **NavnDansk** » Tue May 16, 2006 4:16 am

people and Professor Pan is obviously very intelligent and his writings would be valid but are ruined by the intentional or subconscious need to press buttons to hurt other people and make them explode. As the twig is bent so grows the tree. A crooked stick casts a crooked shadow The proof is in the pudding. The extremely angry reactions to Pan's poking the wasp's nest like a little kid to see what will happen is cruel and stops the flow of ideas and dialog and connection. I hope that people will not divide into groups of pro and anti Pan but that Professor Pan will THINK about the reactions and try to treat other people and their ideas with more respect and dignity. Not everyone has the same sense of humor and if someone is obviously offended by your style, move on to another thread or start one of your own rather than obstructing other people's ideas and dialogue, particularly when they tell you that your efforts are damaging the dialogue on a particular subject. Stephen Colbert said he does not let his kids watch him on TV because irony is a powerful weapon and should be used sparingly. He said he did not want to tuck his kids in and say, "I love you, honey." and have his kids say "Right Dad, I get it." There are times when humor is appropriate and other times when it is cruel and very counterproductive and if someone is tone-deaf to the damage they are doing to others even when they strongly state it, then the strong statement needs to be even stronger and more emphatic.

by **thoughtographer** » Tue May 16, 2006 4:40 am

Yes, everything is all valid and good ONLY when you approve. WE GET IT. How does someone who thinks like you even get around to ENJOYING someone like Stephen Colbert? "A crooked stick will cast a crooked shadow."Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=thoughtographer>thoughtographer</A> at: 5/16/06 2:40 am

by **NavnDansk** » Tue May 16, 2006 4:48 am

Norman Mailer's favorite expression was "Don't understand anyone too quickly." You and others seem to have a hair trigger and use stereotypes for people who don't agree with you. Telling pp and others to LISTEN to other people and to respect their rights whether what is being done is illegal or not it is wrong and to defend your rights the least you need to do is speak up if someone is stepping on your feet. Did you even think about the specific quote from Stephen Colbert and what it means to my message rather than just stereotyping who Colbert is and who I am and other objecting to the tone-deafness of some people on this board and asking them to really THINK about what they are doing and how it is harming others? You don't know what other people are going through at a particular time, like the very difficult situation that Lizzy Dearborn is going through and it is especially difficult to apprehend that online and something someone might find funny in one situation might be offensive in another depending on what people are going through and requesting that people who have a razor sharp wit refrain from hurting other people and trying to THINK as Stephen Colbert obviously has, more deeply about the moral and productive use of such a skill is obviously needed on this board. DON'T UNDERSTAND ANYONE TOO QUICKLY! T-H-I-N-K

by **thoughtographer** » Tue May 16, 2006 5:04 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Did you even think about the specific quote from Stephen Colbert and what it means to my message rather than just stereotyping who Colbert is and who I am and other objecting to the tone-deafness of some people on this board and asking them to really THINK about what they are doing and how it is harming others?<hr></blockquote> Yes, and I heard it from the man himself and agreed when he said it -- and yes, thought about it later. I obviously don't agree that that particular line of thinking applies in this arena, so it seems that we all take something different from the observations of others, just as we do from our own. <blockquote>Quote:<hr> You don't know what other people are going through at a particular time, like the very difficult situation that Lizzy Dearborn is going through and it is especially difficult to apprehend that online and something someone might find funny in one situation might be offensive in another depending on what people are going through and requesting that people who have a razor sharp wit refrain from hurting other people and trying to THINK as Stephen Colbert obviously has, more deeply about the moral and productive use of such a skill is obviously needed on this board. DON'T UNDERSTAND ANYONE TOO QUICKLY! <hr></blockquote> Nobody has hurt anyone here. We're all equally vulnerable, and once you start identifying and speaking for "victims", you've chosen sides. I've seen "Lizzy Dearborn" post some things that I find offensive too, but I'm not going to cry about it. I expressed sympathy for her situation, and was sincere -- it seemed good enough for her. Nobody ever stops to consider what I'm going through, and I would want them to. I'm thinking plenty, but thanks for the advice. Maybe someone else will have more use for it. "A crooked stick will cast a crooked shadow."Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=thoughtographer>thoughtographer</A> at: 5/16/06 3:05 am

by **mother** » Tue May 16, 2006 11:12 am

NavnDansk, I'll bet your paintings are really interesting. I appreciate the well-adjusted, self confident ideas you offer here. I suspect your brush "handwriting" to be equally powerful. Others may use broad brushstrokes to marginalise and intimidate people into submission. Being raised by serious political activists and being around that culture is probably what attracts me to RI. The intellectual superiority and rage, the emotional problems behind some(not all) of debate. And all the drunken stupidity and pain besides the incredible personal hypocracy of the so-called "Left".

by **professorpan** » Tue May 16, 2006 12:23 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>people and Professor Pan is obviously very intelligent and his writings would be valid but are ruined by the intentional or subconscious need to press buttons to hurt other people and ma<hr></blockquote> I have no desire to hurt anyone or press anyone's buttons, consciously or otherwise. If my discussions press some buttons or challenge some emotional issues, that is a different matter. No one likes his or her BS (belief systems) to be challenged, including myself. It sucks to advocate an idea and realize maybe it doesn't hold up under scrutiny. But that's life. As DE said, if you don't want people to scrutinize your statements, don't post them. If someone is too emotionally fragile to defend his/her statements, I am not responsible for his/her meltdowns. Look back over this thread from the beginning. Point out where I've been intentionally cruel or bullying. Please. Show me where I've "poked the wasp's nest" in a heartless way. I don't buy it. Watch a debate team. If a member of a debate team took the opposition's arguments personally, and called his opponent a dicksucker, it would be considered an outrageous violation of decency. I'm repeating myself (ad nauseum by this point), but some people still don't get it: It's possible to discuss ideas and opinions without getting personal. All of us are wrong at times, and we can all learn from one another.

by **FourthBase** » Tue May 16, 2006 12:51 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>No one likes his or her BS (belief systems) to be challenged, including myself. It sucks to advocate an idea and realize maybe it doesn't hold up under scrutiny. But that's life.<hr></blockquote> <blockquote>Quote:<hr>I don't buy it. Watch a debate team. If a member of a debate team took the opposition's arguments personally, and called his opponent a dicksucker, it would be considered an outrageous violation of decency.<hr></blockquote> But this isn't a forensics society. Tentative ideas are not "belief systems". Your scrutiny is not final or even needed.

by **professorpan** » Tue May 16, 2006 1:10 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>But this isn't a forensics society. Tentative ideas are not "belief systems". Your scrutiny is not final or even needed.<hr></blockquote> Nor is this board a warm and fuzzy support group, or a mutual ego stroke, or an echo chamber for a particular viewpoint. It is what it is. Can't take the scrutiny? That's not my problem, dude. And yes, "tentative ideas" arise from belief systems. Your scrutiny is no more -- or less -- final or necessary than mine. Time for my yoga class -- I can almost... *almost*... bend far enough...

by **FourthBase** » Tue May 16, 2006 2:33 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Nor is this board a warm and fuzzy support group, or a mutual ego stroke, or an echo chamber for a particular viewpoint. It is what it is. Can't take the scrutiny? That's not my problem, dude.<hr></blockquote> But it should be a place where tentative ideas can be mulled over without a "debunker" like you trying to forcefully extinguish them with "logic", i.e. your pet preconceptions. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>And yes, "tentative ideas" arise from belief systems.<hr></blockquote> Can arise from them. But usually they're just mere tentative ideas. And they're not begging for you to "discredit" them. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Your scrutiny is no more -- or less -- final or necessary than mine.<hr></blockquote> What scrutiny? I don't fancy myself as a "scrutinizer", not like you or thoughtographer. There's a big difference between pondering the plausibility/implausibility of ideas, and proclaiming one idea after another as implausible. Like I've said, you are not our referee. Keep the pseudo-conclusive rejections to yourself, please.

by **mother** » Tue May 16, 2006 2:36 pm

Pan, it wouldn't hurt for you to be warmer. I think you are already fuzzy. love,m.

by **thoughtographer** » Tue May 16, 2006 2:51 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Keep the pseudo-conclusive rejections to yourself, please.<hr></blockquote> SHUT UP! -- please. "A crooked stick will cast a crooked shadow."

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