Alright which one of you wrote Madsen? Locked threads at DU

by **Martha** » Tue Sep 06, 2005 2:46 am

I'd agree on that. First time I saw a picture of the admins I wondered if they were the kids of someone from the DLC. I'm almost certain Mr. Magistrate is someone's sock. Tho I lean more towards a Freeper - or more likely CUer. I came across this link over at P4C about some sort of "Sooper Sekret" long term mole project of the Freepers. <a href="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/541646/posts?q=1&&page=201">FR thread</a> It was in a thread called <a href="http://www.peopleforchange.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=25351&st=0">When did the divisive members join DU?</a> I always thought Geek was an alias of Dookus or one of the other Skepti-Trolls. Tho I'm pretty sure Pigwidgeon and PertUk are the same person. I've seen them show up in the same threads to tag team people. On a bit of a different subject - Does anyone know anything about the background of Conservative Underground? Who owns it? etc?

by **Dreams End** » Tue Sep 06, 2005 2:53 am

I have an idea: don't post on DU. Not sure why everyone still worries about them. Start your own board. Use this one. It's their board and they can do what they want with it. Sure, it's underhanded, but the one thing about this board is that <Censored by Rigorous Intuition>. Heh...just kidding about that.

by **Martha** » Tue Sep 06, 2005 9:24 am

I was simply curious about the PTB and the motives behind the 2 websites. I thought such thinking would be welcome here. ---- Dreams End said: Not sure why everyone still worries about them. ---- Because most of us came from there. I still read and occasionally post there and even though I disagree with the way it's run I still think a lot of the people there are good people - though that's probably a bit Pollyannish of me. The way DU has itself set up, you can't express any sort of criticism there. Especially since they got rid of ATA. Your posts will get locked and you will be banned. Most of the people mentioned upthread are on my ignore list anyways, except Magistrate since you can't put mods on ignore. I guess the reason I was thinking about this is because the ignore function hasn't been working properly since the hurricane hit New Orleans. ---- DE said: Sure, it's underhanded, but the one thing about this board is that <Censored by Rigorous Intuition>. Heh...just kidding about that. ---- Agreed. I appreciate the fact that you can pretty much say whatever's on your mind here. Though you're still bound by EZboard's rules. Peace. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=martha@rigorousintuition>Martha</A> at: 9/6/05 7:29 am

by **starroute** » Tue Sep 06, 2005 1:55 pm

DU was a great place around 2002-03 -- very free-wheeling and open to new ideas. But since the admins started worrying that anything said at DU might be used to tar the Democratic Party, it's stiffened up a lot. (I don't think the admins are DLC, by the way -- the DLC is *way* more conservative than that -- just very mainstream Dems.) The recurring influxes of RW trolls and disruptors haven't helped, either. They tend to lead to kneejerk suppression of anything that looks even mildly divisive. On the other hand, I'm not sure how long this RI Board will remain a place for useful truth-telling. Its very openness to marginal ideas, which is its most attractive feature, also makes it vulnerable to being either used as a means to sow disinformation or peppered with outright crazies in order to discredit it. In the long run, perhaps the most we can count on is a running series of Temporary Autonomous Zones and our own ability to stay one jump ahead of those who would corrupt them.

by **Watchful Citizen** » Tue Sep 06, 2005 3:33 pm

(I've been accused at DU of being a psy-ops agent by trying to educate people on that very topic. This is the problem of revealing the science of manipulation-the alarmed will lash out at the messenger either sincerely or as a cover for their own psy-ops efforts. But it must be done to better arm ourselves against psy-ops tactics which are everywhere in many disguises.) Knowledge is power. The atmosphere of distrust in a movement makes people cautious instead of bold and effective in sharing information. Mission accomplished: divide and conquer. This FBI tactic worked against the New Left anti-war movement during the Vietnam War and continues today. The CIA has honed this to a science using the Operation Mockingbird media and adopted the GOP as their base camp to disable the Democratic Party and its associated anti-war humanitarian culture. <a href="http://www.counterpunch.org/davis01082005.html">www.counterpunch.org/davis01082005.html</a> (The Psychology of Christian Fundamentalism) Divisiveness is everywhere and easy to perpetuate with sexual themes tapping into shame and guilt to divide us against ourselves and then project aggression onto a target population...like Iraq or poor African Americans or Jews or.... Fascism really begins at home in the family with the pre-cursor 'authoritarian personality.' The invisible electricity and software called 'The Internet' is an ideal place to hide psy-ops, a fascist wind which we can't always see but must discern from its devastating effect on humanity around us, an ill wind that creates debility, dependence, and dread-the goals of the torture tactics codified in Biderman's Chart of Coercions. <a href="http://www.actabuse.com/chartofcoercion.html">www.actabuse.com/chartofcoercion.html</a> Biderman's Chart of Coercions is the E=mc2 of human behavior and is used by the American government to control the American people like an abusive parent over a child who equates abuse with power and power with survival thereby justifying mass murder and torture as necessary and therefore ethical to protect the 'human family' from designated populations. This is what Machiavelli, Hitler, Strauss, Reagan , and Bush are tapping into. <a href="http://www.fas.org/irp/cia/guerilla.htm">www.fas.org/irp/cia/guerilla.htm</a> The Pentagon changed its focus since WWII from destruction to deception as the ability to defeat a population's mind with media propaganda became easier than defeating their bodies with bullets. <a href="http://www.lawg.org/misc/publications-manuals.htm">www.lawg.org/misc/publica...anuals.htm</a> This analysis by School of the Americas Watch of US military training manuals shows us exactly how WE are occupied by the Pentagon using psy-ops.. <a href="http://www.soaw.org/new/search/search.php?q=wesley+clark&q2.x=6&q2.y=5&q2=q">www.soaw.org/new/search/s...2.y=5&q2=q</a> This is why General Wesley Clark is so dangerous as an infiltrator of the Democratic Party by the War Party. He's a professional deceiver and destroyer who is using the 'enemy of my enemy is my friend' tactic to infiltrate the anti-Bush movement which doesn't realize they are playing into a 'good cop/bad cop' scam hiding the military coup of 1947 when the CIA started to take over our government under Allen Dulles and Averell Harriman. Read everything you can about the goals and tactics of COINTELPRO and psychological operations used by the US military. So when trying to figure out whether a message is from a friend or foe, just remember, qui bono? Who benefits? The Pentagon and its Council on Foreign Relations corporate owners? Then it is probably psy-ops from a fascist. 'Winning Modern Wars.' Hmmm. If 'War is a Racket' as General Smedley Butler warned us in 1935 then who would write about winning war today? Ah. Exactly.

by **dbeach** » Tue Sep 06, 2005 3:42 pm

'Knowledge is power. The atmosphere of distrust in a movement makes people cautious instead of bold and effective in sharing information.' divide and conquer has been on the increase since that aftal day on 11/22/63 when the first Nazi coup hit the USA

by **DrDebugDU** » Tue Sep 06, 2005 3:48 pm

I agree with you both. It is divide and conquer. I still think that DU is a great messageboard because it allows 1000s of minds to come together and think as one. Sadly you do see gatekeepers popping up. As far as this board goes it is great, however it is a very young board and many people who are here are by invitation based on their posts on DU, so eventually it will change a lot... What RI will become is unsure, it is still a puppy which is growing quickly and despite some fight, its main strength right now is an an accumulation of an incredible amount of information and knowledge.

by **chiggerbit** » Tue Sep 06, 2005 4:04 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>...allows 1000s of minds to come together and think as one.<hr></blockquote> That's the problem. It is not possible for thousands of minds to think as one. Scary thought. It shouldn't even be the goal. That's the problem with DU, they want everyone to think their way, so they try to shape thought by their gatekeeping, just like the right tries to shape with their propaganda. It should be about sharing information so that people can make up their own minds. Sharing information is THE most dangerous weapon available.

by **dbeach** » Tue Sep 06, 2005 4:23 pm

'It is not possible for thousands of minds to think as one. Scary thought' group think is the way the reptoids function..on their merry way from draco..they think its superior to individula thinking..but its all about control!

by **starroute** » Tue Sep 06, 2005 5:52 pm

At least mine doesn't. I'd imagine that any mind that could be compared to a fascist state would be an awfully dull place to inhabit . . . DU at its best does work as a collective consciousness -- which is not at all the same thing as groupthink. It's got the brainstorming quality of tossing ideas out, playing with them for a while, arriving at conclusions, and deciding on action. That sort of collective consciousness is extremely valuable -- but also extremely vulnerable. It can be broken apart by sowing suspicion or cliquishness. It can be pushed into panic and mass hysteria. It can be taken over and turned into fascist groupthink. Or it can simply be normalized, keeping its group coherence at the price of real originality and the ability to entertain dangerous ideas. That may be the likeliest fate for DU. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=starroute>starroute</A> at: 9/6/05 3:53 pm

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