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Re: community

Postby AlicetheCurious » Mon May 22, 2006 10:48 am

Sepka said: "None so blind as those who do not wish to see". <br><br>How true!! (Riiiight, the Bush gang <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>suppressed</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> the news, see, because they didn't want to <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>inflame</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> public opinion against Iran.) <br><br>It's a bit pathetic, how you're clinging to that tattered bit of cheap propaganda; but hey, whatever floats your boat.<br><br>I almost feel sorry for you; it must be hard to think with all that cognitive dissonance clanging in your head. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=alicethecurious>AlicetheCurious</A> at: 5/22/06 9:02 am<br></i>
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Re: community

Postby AlicetheCurious » Mon May 22, 2006 11:03 am

Hava, dating videos and drugged sex in the bathroom of some dark, loud club, has no relation to what I meant by community-building. <br><br>Trying to have a healthy and satisfying relationship with someone else, of whatever kind, without first taking the trouble and time to learn who you are and where you want to go, is futile and doomed to failure. It's like trying to build a house from the roof down.<br><br>Your life is your own car. You can keep it in good condition and take the trouble to drive it yourself, or you can keep letting others get in the driver's seat while you're sitting in the back, wondering fearfully what they'll do next.<br><br>Even worse, you can stay at home, playing a driving simulation game on your computer, while other people are doing God-knows-what to your car...<br><br>I've overdosed on my own metaphors, so I'll stop now.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: community

Postby havanagilla » Mon May 22, 2006 11:56 am

Alice, I don't know what you are doing for a living, but writing should be advised. I just loveddddd that last paragraph with the car. (kind of mixture bn Jungian and indigenous imagery).<br>My only response to you is "yes, Mom"..:-)<br><br>--<br>I have no excuse for leaving my "car" in the dump pile, and turning my back to society. Well, I have many excuses, but maybe they don't stand trial by who knows who. The internet can take the place of the old "grotta"..where loners went, and in our region, "the desert". I just read a lovely little folk story about a Jewish scholar/saint (forgot his name) from back then, who shut himself in a grotta with his son (who was already a scholar as well), they spent 12 yrs philosophizing (surfing?) and then they got out. The world appeared so imperfect and evil to them, their gazes BURNT people, houses and fields. God saw that they are burning the world, he shoved them back in the grotta, till they come to terms with reality, with community. <br>--<br>Well, then, a line from a would poem, what do you do when your car has been totalled and and towed ??? (possibly music, by the "Proclaimers" - or so).<br>--<br>I used to travel to the Judea desert, there is a place called Waddi Kelt, where the ancient saints and recluses went to find loneliness. It is just amazing. they found grottas up along the canyon, where you can't really reach it. their food came with a little basket tied to a long rope from St. George convent, another wonder of nature on a steep slope...they would get food supply once a month in that primitive elevator, and some stayed there 10, 20 years. In St. George there is a room filled with their skulls, when occasionally someone would collect the dead and give them some respect. <br>--<br>I also felt very much "at home" in the Kumeran caves area, same sense of turning back to society/world, but WITHOUT grudge or hatred. <br><br>I think our society, while not having COMMUNITY at all, also forgot what real, nourishing "RETREAT" is. so we do both at the same time, not very good idea, that's true. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: treasures in junkyards

Postby AlicetheCurious » Tue May 23, 2006 7:08 am

Hava, your last post really brought out my inner psychotherapist. So, I wrote a big long thing, which, bleary-eyed but my faculties intact, I thankfully deleted before going to bed. I am not a shrink.<br><br>All I will say is that escape seems to be a big thing with you, as is helplessness. You seem to have abdicated the power to make positive choices and decisions, under duress, sure, but the nice thing about life vs. totalled cars, is that the divine miraculous secret hidden in the junkyard of life is that as long as you're alive, this power never goes away and never diminishes. It's yours.<br><br>Since you liked the car metaphor so much, let me tell you about Henrietta.<br><br>Many years ago, my sister and I started a business. For this, we needed a car. We had very, very little money, so we scanned the classifieds looking for a car that would do the job, at the cheapest possible price. <br><br>After we'd seen a few cars, we found her. Henrietta. A rather old white Dodge stationwagon with no extras at all, but she was very cheap, she started well, she was clean, and she could get us and a lot of merchandise from point A to point B.<br><br>I called my cousin, who was a car genius, and asked him to check out her insides. He declared her in surprisingly good condition where it counts.<br><br>Now, Henrietta was not much to look at, but my sister and I grew to love her like a third member of our team. Henrietta allowed us to do so many things that otherwise would have been impossible. She opened up new roads to us, allowed us to explore beyond the limits of our city's public transport system, and carried heavy loads for us with nary a complaint. My sister and I actually discussed whether there was something magical about Henrietta, because she was so good, so strong, so dependable.<br><br>When my sister got married and moved to another country, I gave her Henrietta as a wedding present. My sister had other cars by then, but her joy was heartfelt.<br><br>Here's the kicker: when I got myself a new car, I discovered that, although I still loved Henrietta, I developed similar feelings for Irene. Irene was a lot fancier, but she allowed me to enjoy the same freedom and mobility, and it was those things, rather than the cars themselves, that I loved.<br><br>The moral of this story is: why don't you go outside, put the key in the ignition, fill the tank with gas, and take your "clunker" for a test drive, carefully noting what it CAN do, rather than what it can't? If you like, you could even take it to a reputable professional mechanic and ask for his/her professional assessment.<br><br>You might be very pleasantly surprised at all the wonderful choices you can make when you're in the driver's seat of your very own car. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: community

Postby Sepka » Tue May 23, 2006 7:39 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I almost feel sorry for you; it must be hard to think with all that cognitive dissonance clanging in your head. <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>We can form a sort of mutual pity society, I suppose. I can't help but think that someday you'll open your eyes, and actually look at the world, and be appalled at what you excused and supported.<br><br>-Sepka the Space Weasel <p></p><i></i>
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Re: community

Postby AlicetheCurious » Tue May 23, 2006 9:14 am

Aw, Sepka, why don't you "open my eyes" for me? Using my own words, naturally, and not straw men that you've created, please help me to see what I've "excused and supported". It would be a real thrill, and a refreshing change, for me to be appalled by something other than your amazing capacity for denial and hypocrisy.<br><br>Go ahead, the suspense is killing me. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: community

Postby havanagilla » Wed May 24, 2006 1:06 am

the car.<br><br>I don't know if you ever watched this film, the name escapes, about an american who goes to work in the amazon for some company. he gets stuck in the woods for some reason and runs into a tribe of indigenous people, and they invite him for a "vision night" with some drugs etc. They tell him he will see the animal of his soul, to cut it short, they all see eagles and horses and he....sees a jeep. <br>--<br>yes, I am trying to work on my "fatalistic holocaustic" mind frame. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: community

Postby AlicetheCurious » Wed May 24, 2006 5:41 am

Hava, if you get the chance, I'd like to recommend that you take a look at the books of Martin Seligman, "Learned Helplessness" and "Learned Optimism". I know it can be annoying when people give unsolicited advice, but I myself only learned about them when other people raved about how these brilliant, ground-breaking books had helped them overcome depression and feelings of hopelessness, and they were indeed life-changing for me.<br><br>These books differ from the usual ineffective 'self-help' crapola, in that the Seligman is a clinical psychiatrist with decades of practical experience, based on actual clinical research that he personally has conducted. <br><br>Please, just check them out. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: community

Postby havanagilla » Wed May 24, 2006 8:59 am

I prefer just wallowing in self pity. It always amazing to see the secondary/false incentives to depression. One gets pity in tons. It reminds me of how Israelis say that the world loves the Jews when they are victims (hence...blah blah the works, fascist new state), but in truth, once the ego is in tact, one gets very little sympathy and sincerity from people. But when the ego breaks there is a willingness on the part of people to relinquish some of the usual defenses. But that of course is a very deceiving posture, and disempowering.<br>--<br>I spoiled myself with a little excursion to down town area, to my favorite cafe-bookstore in Tel Aviv, had a nice fresh fruit shake *melon, banana and dates crashed with milk and lots of ice..read some papers, and jotted down some numbers for book publishers.<br>--<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: community

Postby AlicetheCurious » Wed May 24, 2006 2:43 pm

Well, you know, Hava, what you catch depends on the kind of bait you put out. For example, if you want to catch a butterfly, emit perfume. And if you want to catch a vampire, then bleed...<br><br>Or, to continue with my example, you want to catch suckers, publish a really stupid, hysterical propaganda piece like the one Sepka is hugging to his little head...<br><br>BTW, that sounds really nice, that little outing you did. Spoiling oneself is one of the very sweetest activities in the world. As I always say, imagine you give your kid this great present, and he or she throws it in a closet and forgets about it. Well, that's how I figure God feels, when She/He gives us all these wonderful blessings and we simply ignore them. Just a thought. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=alicethecurious>AlicetheCurious</A> at: 5/24/06 12:45 pm<br></i>
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