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Dave Foreman, Earth First, and IWW

Postby yathrib » Tue Aug 29, 2006 1:39 pm

<br><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Foreman">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Foreman</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>"In 1985, Foreman published the first edition of the book Ecodefense: A Field Guide to Monkeywrenching, sharing the editing credits with one 'Bill Haywood'."<br><br>The real Bill Haywood was of course a leader of the IWW early in the 20th century.<br><br>The interesting thing about Foreman: He was--up until about 1970 or so--a man of the right, with names like Ayn Rand and Barry Goldwater popping up among his influences. The Wikipedia article doesn't explain this very well, mentioning that "Foreman had been interested in environmental issues since childhood..." An odd concern for someone who idolized Rand and Goldwater, no? When exactly did he "change," if he did?<br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Dave Foreman, Earth First, and IWW

Postby johnny nemo » Tue Aug 29, 2006 2:48 pm

Dave Foreman hasn't been invovlved with Earth First in a looooooooooong time.<br>I believe that he may have started out as an individualist libertarian anarchist, hence his admiration for Goldwater and Rand.<br>The IWW, conversely, are syndicalist, collectivist anarchists, as in their motto "One Big Union".<br><br>It's the difference of power to the people (syndicalist) versus power to the person (libertarian).<br><br>The IWW and Earth First joined forces sometime in the 80s.<br>They had similar goals and similar experiences with government harassment.<br><br>As the government targeted Big Bill Haywood and many IWW workers in 1917, they also targeted Judi Bari, blaming her when a car bomb almost killed her.<br>You can read about that here.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.monitor.net/monitor/bari/jbint-7.html">www.monitor.net/monitor/b...int-7.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>I remember when I was looking at all the leftist groups, and seeing how many had been infiltrated by the CIA and Cointelpro, thinking "Wow, the Wobblies must be the real deal, because they're getting jailed, killed and deported, instead of being infiltrated. They must be a real threat to the status quo."<br><br>Then I read about how Earth First were the ones spiking the trees (Dave Foreman's idea) to stop the loggers.<br>After he left, they stopped spiking trees.<br><br>My only real beef with the current IWW is that most of the members that I meet don't do anything beyond protesting and sending books to prisoners.<br>Most of the meetings I went to were to discuss situations in the world and ended with everyone going to the bar to get drunk.<br><br>I didn't see the point in that, so I stopped going. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: How does the Iraq quagmire benefit TPTBe?

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Tue Aug 29, 2006 3:13 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>A website I just came on recently made that really clear. It said something to the extent that, for purposes of analysis, I will assume that the results of the current Iraq war are, in fact, the intended results and then proceed to analyze why those results were desireable and to whom.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>The purging of Vietnam Syndrome and 'lessons learned' prevention of critical awareness and outrage or even critical thinking requires time to let behavior-modification to take place.<br><br><br>The 'success' of the wham-bang-its-over-have-a-parade Gulf War I would not serve the purposes of a permanent PNAC-type global occupation of oil regions so the 'quagmire conundrum' of "dang, we're stuck" gives them time for domestic opposition to simmer down to controllable levels and allow fatalism, social Darwinism, and militarism to set in like moral rigor mortis.<br><br>The psychological and logistical transformation of American culture into Spartan militarized deployment mode instead of peaceful healing from eons of savagery is happening.<br><br>Look at all the<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong> little kids running around in camouflage-colored clothes</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> and the lack of thousands surrounding the Pentagon as happened during the Vietnam War. (See ' The Color Marketing Group' started in 1962.)<br><br>The distraction industry has been amplified using cable TV and iPods and a multitude of toys for young minds while the infowarriors normalize atrocity with every tool in their arsenals.<br><br>Vietnam lasted for quite a while by making it too complicated for anyone to figure out until the visual atrocity overwhelmed the confusion factor.<br><br>9/11 was meant to be the visual programming that justified and superceded the subsequent horrible images but it isn't working.<br><br>However it did get the ball on the field and down quite a ways towards Caspian Sea oil and gas and a post-Cold War remilitarization of America even if that scam is being exposed by the internet left.<br><br>And that was a huge success for the PNAC and Council on Foreign Relations requiring mere damage control during the predictable backlash as usual.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Jekyll Island and the birth of the Federal Reserve

Postby johnny nemo » Tue Aug 29, 2006 3:24 pm

smithtalk mentioned Jekyll Island, and so I thought I'd present an analysis of the most important facts presented in the book <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>The Creature from Jekyll Island: A Second look at the Federal Reserve.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> © 2004 by G. Edward Griffin. <br><br>(Edward Flaherty is a Ph.D. of Economics who has been critical of the aforementioned book.)<br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Griffin: <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong> Bankers and senators met in secret on Jekyll Island, Georgia in 1910 to design a central bank that would give New York City banks control over the nation’s money supply</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>Flaherty's reply: The meeting did take place, but plans for a return to central banking were already widely known. Regardless, the proposal that came out of the Jekyll Island meeting never passed Congress. The one that did, the Federal Reserve Act, placed control over monetary policy with a public body, the Federal Reserve Board, not with commercial banks. <br><br>Griffin's reply: Here again we have a half-truth that functions as a deception.<br>Plans for a return to central banking, indeed, were already known, but they were unpopular with the voters and large blocks of Congress. That was the very problem that led to the great secrecy.<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong> Frank Vanderlip, one of the participants at the Jekyll Island meeting, later confirmed that, if the public had known that the bankers were the ones creating legislation to supposedly “break the grip of the money trust,” the bill would never have been passed into law.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> The facts presented in my book, and fully documented by references from original sources, show that my version is historical fact. Flaherty attempts to minimize these facts by implying that the original, secret meeting was not important because the first draft of the legislation was rejected.<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong> What he does not say is that the second draft that was passed into law was essentially the same as the first. The primary difference was that Senator Aldrich’s name was removed from the title of the bill and replaced by the names of Carter Glass and Robert Owen. This was to remove the stigma of Aldrich as an icon for “big-business Republicans” and replace it with the more popular image of Democrats, “defenders of the working man.” </strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->It was a strategy advocated by Paul Warburg, one of the participants at the Jekyll Island meeting. The fact that Flaherty makes no mention of this suggests that he has not made an objective analysis but, instead, has presented a biased critique in the guise of scholarship. His statement that “the Federal Reserve Act, placed control over monetary policy with a public body, the Federal Reserve Board, not with commercial banks” cannot be taken seriously. The Federal Reserve is not a public body in any meaningful sense of the phrase.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> <br><br>If you like, you can read a point-by-point refutation by the book's author here.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.freedom-force.org/freedomcontent.cfm?fuseaction=meetflaherty&refpage=issues">www.freedom-force.org/fre...age=issues</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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IWW

Postby yathrib » Tue Aug 29, 2006 3:47 pm

Whatever, I'm amazed and delighted that there is an IWW in 2006! <p></p><i></i>
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Re: IWW

Postby johnny nemo » Tue Aug 29, 2006 4:13 pm

I'm glad that they're still around.<br>I just wish they did more work in the "politics of the real".<br><br>I work with many different grassroots groups that have stopped landfills, fought corporate corruption, gotten computer manufacturers to recycle, etc.<br><br>The IWW might as well be trying to convince people that riding in horse and buggies is oppressive to horses, for all the good that they're doing now.<br><br>Go to one of their meetings sometime and you'll see what I mean.<br><br>Here's a collective that was started by people who were tired of protesting and seeing nothing change, and did something to bring about real change.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.rhizomecollective.org/">www.rhizomecollective.org/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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