Mike Ruppert's in trouble

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Mike Ruppert's in trouble

Postby vondardenelle » Thu Oct 13, 2005 1:42 pm

I read Crossing the Rubicon back in March and I thought it was great (though intenesly saddening) and it was my first real exposure to alternative theories of 9/11 (it probably lead me to this website, but I can't really say that for sure). But since then I've read FTW and I really don't know what to think of Michael Ruppert. Have people here been paying attention to him for longer? I've seen him come up here from time to time with opinion usually split. <br><br>Anyway, thought it was board-worthy, he's going under and asking for donations:<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/101205_SOS_FTW.shtml" target="top">fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/101205_SOS_FTW.shtml</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Mike Ruppert's in trouble

Postby Dreams End » Thu Oct 13, 2005 1:56 pm

That's already been posted. I think that if you read his appeal you'll have all the info you need to know about Ruppert. Look how many of his former employees turn on him. How he screwed up the taxes...how he blames his failures on a very amateurish website. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Mike Ruppert's in trouble

Postby thumperton » Thu Oct 13, 2005 4:22 pm

In my opinion he's either seriously mislead, or he's working for the oil cartel. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Mike Ruppert's in Trouble

Postby gotnoscript » Thu Oct 13, 2005 6:43 pm

I seriously doubt he's mislead and I seriously doubt he's working for the oil cartel. Coming from a scientific perspective I feel the argument about peak oil is almost irrefutable. All the nay-sayers have yet to point out any flaw and if they argue otherwise THEY are the ones mislead. It's not that we're running out of oil - we have been since the first oil well was tapped - but we're running out of CHEAP oil. Yes, there's oil under the oceans, yes there's tar sands in Canada, yes there's plenty of that low grade, hard to get stuff around, BUT, IT's HARD TO GET. And that's why we're approaching Peak Oil Production. The cheap stuff is in irreversible decline. And Mike Ruppert has been trying to say this for years. The US is in big trouble with over 70% of Gulf oil production shut down due to the hurricanes. There is no grand conspiracy by the oil companies to cut production. They're not building refineries because there 's not going to be any payback. The low grade oil is just too expensive to refine. And at some point it's going to take more energy to drill and refine the crappy oil than you get from it. It's simple thermodynamics, folks.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Mike Ruppert's in Trouble

Postby Dreams End » Thu Oct 13, 2005 8:24 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>All the nay-sayers have yet to point out any flaw<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Not one. You maintain that no one has ever pointed out a flaw in peak oil. maybe you do need a script after all. Start here:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://peakoildebunked.blogspot.com/">peakoildebunked.blogspot.com/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Mike Ruppert's in Trouble

Postby eric144 » Thu Oct 13, 2005 8:43 pm

Ruppert is of the same character type as his (he hoped) money spinning finds Gunther Russbacher and Mike Vreeland, he's a wanna be psychopath . He's in the same mould as Russbacher's wife Raylan Alan who claims to be acquainted with royalty and constantly begs from her vulnerable readers. There are a few com men out there fleecing the gullible, Dove also springs to mind.<br><br>Ruppert made big money from the Rubicon book and his investment scam with PQI. Investment scams and conspiracy theory are a perfect match . Ruppert even claims PQI have a cure for cancer, at a price of course.<br><br>Daniel Hopsicker found him out. <br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.madcowprod.com/MC6812004.html">www.madcowprod.com/MC6812004.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>The Great 9/11 Bun & Thigh Roller Deception<br><br>"A victim of circumstance and “dot com crooks” <br><br>Here we do not believe Zwicker is referencing the friendly folks at Pinnacle Quest, a vehicle for international fraudsters endorsed by Michael C. Ruppert on his website. He also provides them a vigorous defense; perhaps he feels cheating widows and orphans reduces population pressure and so is ultimately all to the good. <br><br>Ruppert said, “PQI has presented some remarkable information that is totally suppressed in the US. That includes successful treatments for cancer and for many other serious diseases…” <br><br>Here we note that self-described “Detective-Journalist” Ruppert has apparently slipped in “Clinician” too, when no one was looking. We pictured Andy Griffith in the con man classic Elmer Gantry. <br><br>Some sample quotes about Ruppert’s fraudster friends: <br><br>“ Anderson was extradited to the United States a few days ago (December 4, 2002), his brother (Wayne Anderson) was recently sentenced to serve much of the rest of his life in a federal prison, most of his key people have been incarcerated, and his offshore empire has crumbled."<br> <br>“On March 31, 2002, Global officially went out of business, replaced by Pinnacle Quest, International (PQI). At the official introductory gathering at the Hyatt Hotel in Bellevue... "<br>"A lawsuit has already been filed against Pinnacle Quest in Arizona.”<br>"On April 22, 2002, Squaw Valley California residents Terri Yvonne Lewis (42), and Steven Lyle Anderson (37), each pled guilty in US District Court/Fresno to charges related to conspiracy and obstruction of justice. The defendants are children of Wayne Anderson and they were charged with shredding documents and erasing computer files in an effort to thwart a federal grand jury investigation.”<br>“The reality is that Global, much like Investors International, holds seminars in exotic places where the true believers rally round and sing the system’s praises to new initiates while (more or less) independent hucksters promote their particular schemes to the attendees.” <br>“North Dakota issued a cease and desist order to keep the company from doing business there.”<br> “On top of the $1,200 audiotape package, Global members are invited to attend seminars in places like Cancun, Mexico and the Bahamas where independent entrepreneurs pay IGP to make their pitch. The cost of attendance: $6,250. For more than 12 hours a day, the attendees sit through one sales pitch after another for real estate prospects, tax avoidance schemes and high-growth investment opportunities.”<br>More that 12 hours a day? We wondered if it was one of these things where they won't let you pee.<br> <br>Ruppert said, “Am I aware that some members of PQI have had criminal charges pressed against them? Absolutely! So have many dedicated patriots and whistleblowers throughout our country's history…” <br>"The Paul Revere Ponzi Scheme?" <br><br><br><br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Mike Ruppert's in Trouble

Postby gotnoscript » Thu Oct 13, 2005 8:51 pm

I'm sorry. Just posting a link to a "refute" isn't enough. The least you can do is summarize. And I find Hopsicker totally unreadable. His reporting and writing is so incoherent as to be unreadable. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Mike Ruppert's in Trouble

Postby gotnoscript » Thu Oct 13, 2005 9:05 pm

Okay, I glanced over the site and the first thing I noticed was the lack of references. Where there were references they point to the Aramco site which is the Saudi Arabian owned company that has a vested interest in denying Peak Oil. Now I'm not going to draw conclusions on this as I do still have an open mind, but it seems to me just denying the PeaK Oil theorists doesn't make you any more correct. <br> So there are refineries that process the dirtier oil. So what? The point is, is that it is more expensive, not only monetarily, but energy wise. If it takes you half a barrel of oil to extract a barrel when it used to only take you a quarter then, yes, we're on the down slope of energy production. There's no denying it.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Mike Ruppert's in Trouble

Postby eric144 » Thu Oct 13, 2005 9:08 pm

Summary<br><br>Ruppert gave financial investment lecturers on behalf of a bunch of very dodgy people called PQI, some of whom have been charged with fraud and one associate has been given life imprisonment . Ruppert claims they have cancer cures, admits his involvement with them and knowledge of their criminality.<br><br>Hopsicker lists a series of actions against the organisation in various states. <br><br>Great job for an ex policeman.<br><br>It actally reminds me very much of the massive Omega investment scam for which many peope were given long jail sentences. Mike Ruppert's friend Raylan Allen supported an individual called Dove who promoted this scam.<br><br>NESARA/ Dove/ Omega Scam Yields Millions <br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=102&contentid=1416">www.conspiracyplanet.com/...entid=1416</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=eric144>eric144</A> at: 10/13/05 7:11 pm<br></i>
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Re: Mike Ruppert's in Trouble

Postby manxkat » Thu Oct 13, 2005 9:12 pm

You're right, gotnoscript. From my understanding about Ruppert's position on Peak Oil, he got there by simply connecting the dots. Other experts have been around much longer, warning of us of oil depletion. But Ruppert has tied the issue to 9/11 and Iraq and many other pertinent issues of our day.<br><br>What gets me about these ideas that Ruppert is working for the oil cartel or that he's a disinfo agent, etc. is that the guy's a nobody in the larger scheme of things. He's working for peanuts, against a humongous goliath. Yes, he happens to be one of the more reputable 9/11 researchers. But the idea that he has somehow been compromised or has sold out in some way is just absurd given his position of influence (practically nonexistant if you look at the big picture).<br><br>As for his former employees turning on him, somehow that's his fault? To me, that's just another ridiculous accusation. And, even if he has made some bad business decisions, for me that doesn't refute his research and published work.<br><br>You know, I would be a lot more skeptical if he were in a powerful position of authority. He's not. He's a big fish in a VERY small pond. Give him a break already.<br><br>I've made a donation for his S.O.S. appeal as a thank you for the practical pointers he's offered (getting out of debt, putting savings into precious metals, becoming energy independent, etc.).<br><br>I think the guy has a lot of guts for laying it all out on that S.O.S. page. There will likely be people who make fun of or take issue with his appeal. Sure, he's not perfect, but his intentions seem honorable enough to me. And, if it turns out that some or all of the warnings and advice he's given are wrong, then I'm no worse off and the world is a better place because of the awareness he's brought forward to those who've been paying attention.<br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=manxkat@rigorousintuition>manxkat</A> at: 10/13/05 7:17 pm<br></i>
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Re: Mike Ruppert's in Trouble

Postby Dreams End » Thu Oct 13, 2005 9:13 pm

gotnoscript...we have at least two VERY long threads on this topic. So no disrespect by my short reply. The search feature on this board is terrible, but you can give it a shot. There is at least one such discussion on the original discussion board. And probably at least one on this one. <br><br>If you search on subject line (I don't think the content search works at all) on Ruppert, Peak Oil and my own thread on "Apso's plan for population reduction" or something like that (that one is on OD 2) you'll find LOTS of arguments, links, counterarguments, counter links. And a few zingers and ad hominems in the mix. We debated the science and also the reliability of the people putting forward the theories of Peak Oil. I don't think anyone wants to reproduce that here...plus, peak oil people get really upset when challenged. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Mike Ruppert's in Trouble

Postby gotnoscript » Thu Oct 13, 2005 9:14 pm

That's all well and good, but I've been following the peak oil event for over a decade, didn't hear of Mike Ruppert until 2001 and really am uninterested in any connections to shifty characters he has. Don't we all have some connection to some whether we know it or not? And what does that have to do with the price of oil?<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Mike Ruppert's in Trouble

Postby gotnoscript » Thu Oct 13, 2005 9:20 pm

Okay, I won't belabor the point. Let's just leave it to the individual to decide. It's not like anything can be changed at this point if it's true, and if it's not then all the better - at least if you're not considering the climate change aspect of burning oil.<br> I've got my winter supply of wood just in case. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Re: Mike Ruppert's in Trouble

Postby eric144 » Thu Oct 13, 2005 9:20 pm

"And what does that have to do with the price of oil?"<br><br>He's begging for money, that's what the thread is about.<br><br>He was a policeman, now he's a crook, it's a well trodden path. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Re: Mike Ruppert's in Trouble

Postby manxkat » Thu Oct 13, 2005 9:31 pm

gotnoscript, I've got my winter supply of wood too. I wouldn't have put in a wood stove a year ago if it hadn't been for Ruppert's warnings, and now even the mainstream media is talking about the huge increases in winter heating costs. That's just one of a myriad of practical changes I've made in my life that I owe a huge THANK YOU to Ruppert for.<br><br>I couldn't give a shit about these other non-issues of ASPO's position on population reduction, or Ruppert's questionable associations with PQI or any of these other distractions. <br><br>Why are they non-issues? BECAUSE THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT MAKING PUBLIC POLICY AND NEVER WILL.<br><br>I'm keeping my eye on the ball. I go to Ruppert's web site and EnergyBulletin.net and other sites to LEARN. If I don't like Ruppert's suggestions about population reduction or his position on Gary Webb's death, guess what? IT DOESN'T MATTER. I'm not throwing the baby out with the bath water. Get it?<br> <p></p><i></i>
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