(its just me, IR...) Jeff to politics

[havanagila]

I re-registered, as we are required. (regretfully, though, IMHO). I think the former username, IsraeliRealities was pretentious, what do I know about reality...<br>So, this is just me IR (regretfully, IR was taken on the "global EZboard").<br>havanagila is a name of an Israeli folk song, the words meaning "let us rejoice"...:-), in an archaic dialect.<br>----------<br> <p></p><i></i>

[marykmusic]

It's a wonderful song, in many children's books so I've sung and heard it often. --MaryK<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[chiggerbit]

Wow, big changes! Anyway, thanks for keeping us updated, havanagila. When we refer to you, is there a shorter nickname we can use? IR was so easy. <p></p><i></i>

[havanagila]

L-), it gives me the childhood trauma creeps, but I can maintain an objective musical approach. the words, btw are totally alien to present day Israelis, i was still forced to learn that dialect (something like English in Beowolf). <br><br>Chiggerbit, it will soon turn to HN or something...(that's a bit too much like a flu strain, so..maybe not).<br> <br> <p></p><i></i>

[havanagila]

maybe hava will do, or havana. <p></p><i></i>

[Rigorous Intuition]

Sorry you had to, but I'm glad you registered. <p></p><i></i>

[albion]

Personally, I like "Havana Gila." <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>

[starroute]

Ah, you take me back to my childhood and years of summer vacations in Catskill Mountain hotels, where it seemed like people would dance the horah at the drop of a hat. (That or the Miserlou . . . the two sort of blur together . . . lots of going backwards in circles in either case. And when you were a kid, the point always seemed to be to get the whole circle going as fast as possible and hope to be the last one standing when everyone else's breath gave out.)<br><br>I never knew about the dialect being archaic, though. I always thought that when Israel was founded, they just picked up Hebrew where it left off 2000 years ago and added a few words for automobiles and washing machines. Can you tell us more about that?<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[greencrow0]

have an agila<br><br><br>have an agila<br><br><br>have an agila<br><br><br>have two, they're small. <p></p><i></i>

[marykmusic]

"Gila" like the gila monster or the Gila River, is a Spanish word where the G is pronounced like H.<br><br>''Havana Hila."<br><br>Aguila (like "have an agila") is Spanish for eagle.<br><br>We can work with this. --MaryK <p></p><i></i>

[havanagila]

Thanks Maryk for the explanation, agila is an eagle ? i like it.<br><br>As for hebrew...long story, many books, article, papers and heated arguments in Israsel about "is israseli Hebrew a resurrection of the ancient one, or a new language or what ?"<br>of course this has political overtones, as expected between Zionists (hebrew is a resurrected "dead" language"), post zionists - Hebrew was never dead, and the SIraeli language is NOT Hebrew. Anti/none Zionists - who the hell needed that language assault on innocent people ? (ultra orthodox stance - Hebrew is "holy language" reserved for ritual only, nobody is allowed to speak it as spoken language, they still speak Yiddish in Israel). there is yet another highly charged polemic around the issue of ashkenazi/mizrahi influences/version on the hegemonic Israeli hebrew. People would kill on these issues...<br>recently, the polemic extended to larger circles, re the issue of "preservation of extinct languages" and the projects to 'revive" extinct languages. Hebrew is used as an example to a successful preservation/revival project by some liberal linguists (in support of indigenous issues). however, post/non/anti Zionists from Israel claim this is the wrong case to hang on to, because in fact Hebrew was never dead/extinct, AND Israeli Hebrew is a new language anyway.<br>Go figure. surely, many academics are milking grants on this question. its a good choice for phd/research if you are looking for one. whichever stance you take, you'll get funding.<br><br>--<br>Without getting into this polemics, the Israeli Hebrew is yet undefined. However, the early version was weird, not biblical but a "high literary" form, like in hava Nagila, which was neglected soon for a more spoken and slangish form, as is now. My generatoin still understands this language form, but the youth now, do not and they find it "un COOL". no, actually it is the epitome of un cool.<br> <p></p><i></i>

[marykmusic]

If too many people understood the ancient Hebrew and its' predecessor, Aramaic, then the early Christian writings would be revealed as mis-translated. This is a really big deal and important in the Church's "control trip" that has been in place since the fourth-century Council of Nicea. There, all the writings were gathered together and about 90% were thrown out. The remaining texts were translated into Latin and they said only what supported the leaders of the day.<br><br>A couple of centuries later, the library at Alexandria was burned, thus assuring the church leaders that no more "heresy" existed... except in certain pockets like the doomed Gnostics and in distant monasteries... and later discoveries such as the Dead Sea Scrolls. Those are tightly-controlled; I'd love to hear more about who is allowed to see them in the more than a half-century since their coming to light. Rumors abound that they contain much of what the early Church proscribed, which is why they're kept from the public. --MaryK <p></p><i></i>

[havanagila]

I think most of the scrolls are out by now, but I am not sure. I read the latest books on the ones that are out, and it is fascinating, you should take a look, some of the books that came out are quite readable and even enjoyable. Obviously, the people there were fascinating. There's astrology and some "face reading" rules, a lot of inner debates as in "public hearings/trials" and fear from the PTB's of their time. It was a cult, or a tightly organized group with roles such as "the ombudsman" (or "audit") and such like. They are talking in codes about the PTB's, so there's a lot of interpretation around that. All together from existing pieces you get a lively picture of the group. in addition there are several versions of cannonized books from the bible, and some "external books", and the differences are interesting to scholars. <br>For Hebrew speakers, it is more lively, because whole parts are in hebrew, others are "restored" by scholars, and they explain how they filled in missing parts of languages. <br>I think the scrolls were left in the hands of the Israeli Antiquities Authority for too long,and perhaps the scholars were just getting lazy, but to the best of my understanding most of it has been released. You can get some background on the times, by reading some of the books on the Essenes, who are supposed to be the ones who wrote those scrolls. <br>--<br>The Israeli scholars to the best of my understanding (and its limited) inferred from the text that Jesus was more conventional Rabbi than believed, and that most of the issue was his social critique, namely, politics, which met with objection from the high priest and the nobility of Jerusalem. But surely, they were doing a lot of estoric practical work, as in Astrology and readings, kind of developing their parapsychological skills methodically,.<br><br>On edit - <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.webcom.com/~gnosis/library/scroll.htm">www.webcom.com/~gnosis/li...scroll.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>good website, I think<br>and re Jesus, the official Israeli website (orion), says there is nothing on jesus because the scrolls predate him by 80 years.<br><br>A splinter of the Essenes, possibly influence by Jesus were the Ebionites, the first communists, also a fascinating group.<br>However, like our days, it seems that there was a lot of intrigue, "terror", espionage, parapolitics/psyop, among the various warring factions among the Jews, and added are the Romans who were playing the role of the USA, turning everybody against the other..:-)<br>But since the scrolls are so coded (to avoid punishment), I think the scholars mostly guess who is who, some saying this is referring to Jesus, some say the opposite that he was the "bad guy" in the scrolls...read it and see how YOU feel about it.<br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=havanagila>havanagila</A> at: 1/23/06 2:28 pm<br></i>