Is there a prevailing opinion about Wayne Madsen?

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Is there a prevailing opinion about Wayne Madsen?

Postby steve vegas » Fri Apr 07, 2006 6:09 am

I really like him, but, I wonder if my "like" is misguided. I'm never sure if I'm being sucked in by disinfo. He seems to be ideologically in step w/my way of thinking and also seems to have some legitimate insider knowledge as his assertions are frequently vindicated. Just wondering. He has a good piece on <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://rense.com/general70/deho.htm">Rense</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> today. Here's a bit from the WMR site as well<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr> April 6, 2006 -- Department of Homeland Perversion. Doyle wasn't the only child predator. Department of Homeland Security deputy Press Secretary Brian Doyle, arrested in Maryland for soliciting sex from a Florida undercover detective posing as a 14-year old girl, had company within the department. On October 25, 2005, Tampa-based Homeland Security Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement official Frank Figueroa was arrested at Orlando's Mall at Millenia for exposing himself and masturbating in front of a 16-year old girl in the food court. Figueroa used his federal law enforcement badge in an attempt to avoid arrest. Amazingly, Figueroa had been in charge of the Homeland Security Department's Operation Predator, designed to curb child sexual exploitation and child pornography.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>This along w/the guy from NASA last week adds to the already disturbing profile of Bushco and Friends. I wonder if any of this is going to start sinking in. It seems that even in our disjointed media-saturated fog of reality that some continuity between events and people should really be penetrating even the dullest minds, dot-connecting as it were. Perhaps more people are awake than I give credit for. Anyway, what do we think about the Wayne-iac good, bad, or in between. Thanks in advance for your opinions. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Is there a prevailing opinion about Wayne Madsen?

Postby hmm » Fri Apr 07, 2006 7:56 am

you mean a opinion on him besides mentioning his being a reagan era nsa spook, besides mentioning his constant twisting of unconnected conspiracy theories while leaving out the real meat, besides mentioning his documentary evidence that never goes anywhere, his unnamed sources that mirror official fall back positions, besides his massive distraction at democraticunderground at precisely the time that real evidence of the stealing of the 2004 elections was appearing..<br>besides all that i have a opinion, its that he is the prime example of a lying disinforming psy-ops operator if i have ever seen one.<br><br>I recently posted another example of his willful lying and misinforming at the board but it recieved little attention and i'm having a little difficulty finding it due to the wonderful ezboard search function, but i will go find it now.. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: found that post..

Postby hmm » Fri Apr 07, 2006 8:10 am

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm10.showMessage?topicID=3570.topic">p216.ezboard.com/frigorou...3570.topic</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Last week a article appeared, seemingly out of the blue, that claimed CIA NOC's are easy to discover.<br>Its implication is that plame's cover wasnt really blown.<br><br>While checking out the background to this story some i came across some information that blows more than one agents cover.<br><br>It comes down to a simple choice.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>either the owner of cryptome.org or Wayne Madsen is lying about the names and identity of 2 CIA NOC's.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>think what that means..</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>why would Wayne Madsen, who goes into such detail naming names, lie about the identity of 2 CIA NOC's.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>and:<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>madsen:<br><br> <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>However, Akerman Senterfitt's web site and Edwards' resume contain no references to "Brewster Jennings" or "Brewster Jenning,"</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> meaning the Kuhn article is yet another bogus document with obvious neocon fingerprints. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>The article also claims that a Robert Lawrence Ellmann, a Detroit filmmaker and Czech Republic-based attorney for Jindrichovsky & Partners, lists "Brewster-Jennings & Associates, Boston, USA" on his resume</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> as his employer from 1992 to 1996. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>However, this too, is a false claim.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--></em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>the actual facts we can check for ourselves with our own eyes:</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>cryptome.org/robert-ellmann.htm<br><br> Quote:22 March 2006. The original Robert Ellmann resume (at age 40) listing Brewster Jennings remains available today at 8:30PM EST:<br> <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.aac.edu/soubory.php/Ellmann_resume.doc?id=573">www.aac.edu/soubory.php/E...doc?id=573</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br> This is about a year older than another Ellmann resume (at age 41) which omits the Brewster Jennings listing:<br><br> <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.aac.edu/soubory.php/060resume.doc?id=619">www.aac.edu/soubory.php/0...doc?id=619</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br></em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>When the reagan era ex-nsa spook tells me to not believe what my own eyes see..</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>can you not see the mistake that was made here?<br>The RW posting on the left wing activist site..<br>Madsen picking up that posting on the day the trib hit piece was published..<br>Madsen ignoring the facts and then attacking the straw men created for that reason..<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>this goes beyond mere lying</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> in my eyes.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>i rest my case.. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Is there a prevailing opinion about Wayne Madsen?

Postby steve vegas » Fri Apr 07, 2006 8:12 am

Great! Those are great examples. I eagerly await more. I have a hell of a time filtering this stuff out, that's actually why I asked about him. I hate to think of myself as a rube, but, I really do get sucked in by this stuff. One of many reasons I'm so happy to have found RI and this board is the cutting insight of so many here. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: the problem with Madsen

Postby hmm » Fri Apr 07, 2006 8:23 am

is that he mixes so much details from so many unconnected stories that it takes so much effort to untangle the facts from the fiction,and then to make sense of the few relevant facts he does present.<br>This seems to be his whole purpose in my eyes, for every short article one would waste hours or days trying to make sense of it all when that could have been better spent on looking at the evidence that is obviously connected to the article/case.<br><br>If you multiply this by all the people that try to make sense of what he writes we are talking years of effort wasted? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: the problem with Madsen

Postby Gouda » Fri Apr 07, 2006 8:25 am

he kinda sweeps it all up, things related and not, kinda like rummy and the nsa.... <p></p><i></i>
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the problem with Madsen

Postby mother » Fri Apr 07, 2006 9:53 am

What is a CIA NOC? It's the NOC which has me puzzled. thanks <p></p><i></i>
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Good one Gouda

Postby Lizzy Dearborn » Fri Apr 07, 2006 10:20 am

<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :lol --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/laugh.gif ALT=":lol"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br>perfect!<br><br>The look of his web site bugs me...it's like he is trying to look homespun and kind of geeky.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Good one Gouda

Postby sunny » Fri Apr 07, 2006 10:30 am

NOC- from Wikepedia-<br><br>For example, an agent sent to spy on a foreign country might pose as a journalist, a businessperson, a worker for a non-profit organization (such as a humanitarian group), or an academic. Nonofficial cover is contrasted with official cover, where an agent assumes a position at a seemingly benign department of their government, such as the diplomatic service. If caught, agents under nonofficial cover are usually trained to deny any connection with their government, and do not have many of the protections offered to (for example) accredited diplomats who are caught spying. Some countries have regulations regarding the use of nonofficial cover—the CIA, for example, has at times been prohibited from disguising agents as members of certain aid organizations, or as members of the clergy.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Good one Gouda

Postby PeterofLoneTree » Fri Apr 07, 2006 11:01 am

<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>"What is a CIA NOC?"</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>FWIW, I have read here and there of Valerie Plame being so described. And googling "NOC Valerie Plame" yielded over 100 "hits". <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Wayne Madsen

Postby greencrow0 » Fri Apr 07, 2006 11:07 am

I like Wayne Madsen and wonder about why this thread was started...is it an effort to denigrate Madsen because he consistently gets too close to the 'bonesmen'?<br><br>Wayne Madsen is absolutely fearless and goes to subjects (like the WH-requisitioned sodomy in abu Ghraib) that few other blogs will touch.<br><br>If it gets down to a saw off between cryptome and Madsen, I choose Madsen...cryptome is looking more and more like a government shill.<br><br>Wayne Madsen does not beat any particular leftist drum but shows the insidiousness of this cabal, infiltrating all levels of government, the military and society.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Bring it On Wayne!!!</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>Regards,<br><br>GC <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Wayne Madsen

Postby dbeach » Fri Apr 07, 2006 11:25 am

WM is an insider of sorts.. <br>he is widely debunked by many and now banned at DU<br><br>{So he can't be that bad.}.<br><br>He seems like a lot of Vets..he likes his nation but may tend to exaggerate his stories....<br><br>some facts some fiction..like a lot of Vets..<br><br>I enjoy some of his stuff.<br><br>Is he real??<br><br>Who is really telling the Truth in the media???<br><br>not many.<br><br>seems more truths are discussed at the blogs and forums and these are also used in the disinfo campaigns.<br><br>BIG BRO has eyes in about everything<br>.. <p></p><i></i>
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Madsen

Postby heyjt » Fri Apr 07, 2006 11:52 am

Madsen really blew it during the 2004 election when he predicted a terror alert on the west coast while voters were completing late-afternoon polling. This would allegedly keep people from voting in west coast Democratic strongholds.<br> Of course, it never happened because Bush had Ohio stiched up.<br> He reminds me somewhat of Gene Wheaton, who threw a monkey wrench in the Christic Institute Iran-Contra case, but he hasn't gone over the edge like Stew Webb.<br> I guess the jury is still out on Madsen, but I do like to read his stuff and try to sort it out. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Madsen

Postby chiggerbit » Fri Apr 07, 2006 12:23 pm

He's another Sherman Skolnick.<br><br> <br>"...<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>read his stuff and try to sort it out</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->. "<br> <br><br>Why should we have to bother? Either he is credible or he is not, and if not then he is not worth taking the time to sort out. I haven't figured out if he is an agent or a goofball, but it doesn't really matter. I don't find him credible. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: if you prefer to believing madsen than your own eyes

Postby hmm » Fri Apr 07, 2006 12:51 pm

there is really little that can be done to persuade you..<br>did you actually look at the information found on the internet and published at cryptome.org which madsen says is not on their resume.<br><br>when the piece on cryptome.org came out both resume's were still available on the net or in google cache.<br><br>and madsen says is not there.<br><br>cryptome.org has not even mentioned madsen<br><br>i had already seen the hit piece in the trib,i had already seen cryptome.org's data, i then saw someone reference madsens piece and i am the one making the claim madsen is wilfully lying not cryptome.org<br> <p></p><i></i>
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