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Postby sunny » Sat Jul 08, 2006 2:35 pm

<!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.superdickery.com/galleries.html" target="top">Go here</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> and check it out!<br><br>Especially <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.superdickery.com/seduction/1.html" target="top">this category</a><!--EZCODE LINK END-->.<br><br>One example:<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.superdickery.com/images/other/216_4_007.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br>Boy, that's subtle.<br><br>Enjoy!<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :rollin --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/roll.gif ALT=":rollin"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=sunny@rigorousintuition>sunny</A> at: 7/8/06 12:35 pm<br></i>
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Re: Saturday Comics

Postby sunny » Sat Jul 08, 2006 2:40 pm

<!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.superdickery.com/images/other/bettyandme16.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I have a hard time believing that these covers are unintentional sometimes.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br> <p></p><i></i>
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WTC

Postby sunny » Sat Jul 08, 2006 2:47 pm

<!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.superdickery.com/images/other/01062288700469.gif" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>So many homosexual overtones. Sooooo many...<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br>OK, I'll stop now. How could these people not know what they were doing? Were they so innocent? Or trying to sexualize youngsters? Not thinking it's very funny any more. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: We grew up with this stuff

Postby Wolfmoon Lady » Sat Jul 08, 2006 5:05 pm

Thanks for posting these. I couldn't say whether these comics were trying to 'sexualize' youngsters. As a child, I never knew what homosexuality was, and never related imagery such as what these covers illustrate, to sex. I can see it now, of course, but not then. I do think such covers promoted a kind of phallic worship, which manifested as male authority and privilege in and outside of the nuclear family.<br><br>I was born in 1951, and we grew up with this stuff. Boys and girls lived in separate spheres, especially once they started school. Gender roles were quite specific: girls risked being called 'unladylike' or 'tomboys' if they didn't conform. This meant you'd never find a husband when the time came. Males were the leaders, decision makers, the breadwinners. Men were the ones who took care of women and children, for good or for ill, and women had to abide by their authority. This was reinforced in multiple ways, permeating every aspect of American life, especially TV.<br><br>Back then, we only had 3 channels, and watched shows like Gunsmoke, I Love Lucy, and The Mickie Mouse Club. All of these programs, in one way or another, instructed us on how to behave in the context of 1950s culture. <br><br>MMC, for example, had a series called, "<!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0047775/" target="top">Spin and Marty</a><!--EZCODE LINK END-->." It was about a rich kid (Marty) who was spoiled, frail, and unmanly. His grandmother sends him to the Triple R - a ranch for boys - where every summer, the boys learned to be cowboys, riding horses, roping, and competing against each other. Fair play betwen the boys was emphasized. So was the difference between girls and boys.<br><br>In the second season of "Spin and Marty," a subplot developed that included a nearby ranch for girls. Annette Funicello was one of them. She presented herself as ladylike, spoke softly and politely, and always looked fresh and clean. And, she had boobs. I never wanted to be like Annette. Too boring. Instead, I wanted to ride a palomino like Skyrocket, and sit up all night in front of a campfire with the other boys, singing, "Way out west on the Triple-R, yipp-i, yipp-a, yippi-o!"<br><br>My brothers had no problem with including me in their playtime escapades. I ran with the boys and took my lumps along with them. They treated me as an equal, partly because I could run faster than most of them, and I could punch their lights out if they hassled me. When I started school, my parents couldn't afford to buy me a new winter coat. Mom being practical, gave me my brother's ugly grey monstrosity, along with a cap with ear-flaps. I remember being laughed at because I "didn't look like a girl." I was amazed at the (to me) ridiculous appearance of my female classmates: ponytails curled, barrettes on the sides, full-skirted, starched dresses, with feet clad in snow-white anklets and patent leather Mary Janes. How do they play? I wondered. I soon found out - they didn't play, at least not the way I had been doing. They all had dolls and tea sets. Boring again.<br><br>Later on, when we reached our teen years, things changed all on their own (shades of "Spin and Marty"'s second season). Once my older brother found out that his friends were more interested in trying to steal kisses from me than playing Saturday afternoon softball, I was banished from 'the gang.' That was the year I started reading books all day long.<br><br>For years, I resented the fact that, as a female, I had to change while the males did not. I felt a sense of anger and resentment that I was expected to morph into another self, an alien self. When I complained, my mother said, "It's part of growing up." I suppose that I carried that anger into the 60s, in becoming a feminist. Now, I look back and admire my own plucky individuality, and marvel at how I managed to get through it at all. It was the best of times, and the worst of times, for a gal like me.<br><br>Sorry if this went off topic. It just came out.<br><br>FYI: Here's the <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.disneypov.com/issue10/spin.html" target="top">backstory</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> to "Spin and Marty" for those who remember it and loved it as I did. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: We grew up with this stuff

Postby sunny » Sat Jul 08, 2006 5:31 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Sorry if this went off topic. It just came out<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END-->.<br><br>Don't apologize! Fascinating! I was born in '63 and went through a little of what you did. The difference was, my only sibling (a sister) was 10 years younger than me, and almost all of the kids around me in my rural community were girls. We made of our world what we wanted, by playing baseball for hours on end, going on adventures by riding our bikes for miles and miles, exploring the woods around us, building tree-houses, and camping out at night all by ourselves. No one thought it was strange, least of all ourselves. Once we even beat up a little creep who was always asking to see our underwear. But we started getting pressure from the parents once we got boobs. Stop climbing that tree! Don't you think it's time you learned to cook?<br> <br>I remember being extremely resentful of Darrin on Bewitched! I thought he was an outright prick, never letting Samantha use her powers. What a metaphor! And he yelled at her all the time. If he'd been my husband, he would have gotten a punch in the nose. And <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>why</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> couldn't Lucy be in Ricky's shows? She was funny as hell.(afternoon reruns, you know) Frankly, one of the most liberated girls on tv at that time was Ellie May Clampett. If a guy got fresh, she clocked him. She went around in jeans playing with critters all day, and could run as fast as any man. <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>And</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> she cleaned up good.<br><br>I was never into comic books, didn't see the attraction. As a kid, I probably, no, most definitely would not have related the imagery to sex either. But what about our parents, or the parents of those who did read comics? What did they think? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: We grew up with this stuff

Postby marykmusic » Sat Jul 08, 2006 7:32 pm

I was also born in 1951, and watched the same shows (on the two stations available in Ft. Smith, Arkansas.) I was a tomboy and proud of it. My mom gave up on dressing me in starched anything, and I refused to wear pink. I was likely to crawl through a barbed-wire fence on the way home from school, and rip whatever I was wearing. Of course, I had to wear dresses like all the other girls, and it's a problem, barbed wire... but that's what I had to do to play with the horses. Rode 'em when I could.<br><br>The real shock, for me, was Girl Scouts. My older brothers had started as Cub Scouts and then Boy Scouts, with our dad being the leader. My participation was limited to being the victim when they practiced first aid... later in life, I discovered I knew much more about the subject than the average person... But in Brownies, we were taught how to set tables, make beds, be a hostess. Yucch. Our little craft projects were things like placemats and name cards... And camping had to do with cabins. They couldn't even make a fire! They were afraid of everything in the woods!<br><br>Oh, by the way, I'm home on my 24-hour weekend from working at a Boy Scout camp. It took nearly 50 years for me to become a Boy Scout... and I'm having a blast. --MaryK <p></p><i></i>
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Re: We grew up with this stuff

Postby chiggerbit » Sat Jul 08, 2006 8:40 pm

We'll know the world is where it should be when the boys of the family have to wash the dishes along with the girls after Sunday dinner when there's a family get-together.<br><br>Comics played an important role in my life. When I was a little kid, I would go with my cousins to visit a neighboring family, which had a closet about three feet deep in comics. I wasn't reading yet when we first started going there, but I liked to look at the pictures, and I couldn't wait to be able to read them. Once I learned to read, I absolutely devoured them. I credit those comic books with making me a voracious reader later on. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=chiggerbit@rigorousintuition>chiggerbit</A> at: 7/8/06 6:49 pm<br></i>
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Re: Saturday Comics

Postby yesferatu » Sat Jul 08, 2006 8:49 pm

I think Archie has a chub straining his swimshorts.<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Saturday Comics

Postby bvonahsen » Sat Jul 08, 2006 9:10 pm

The creatives who make these get really bored and they like to see what they can get past the suits they despise. Forty years or so ago such images <i>did</i> get past them. Now they wouldn't. People, including ad executives, are more aware today. Though I'm not sure about including ad execs in the "human" catagory.<br><br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/3074/haulingwood3237gl.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: We grew up with this stuff

Postby KeenInsight » Sun Jul 09, 2006 4:17 am

Yeah, Wolfmoon, I'm glad you said it. I didn't grow up during those times (born in the 80's), but just looking at that type of "culture" it becomes completely obvious that it influenced sexual stereotypes. It doesn't really come as a surprise though... since past history hasn't been so kind to women at all.<br><br>Personally, growing up, that influence was still around. Being a guy (and an only child), I always saw what males were "supposed" to be: Macho, "coolness," do drugs, and all that crap. I didn't buy any of it, and I'm glad for it. The only problem is, I could never really talk to girls and still can't (never had a girlfriend, etc.). I've been known to be a "shy" guy for most of my life, and that term becomes rather irritating <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :D --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif ALT=":D"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> .<br><br><br>As for the comics, I only remember reading Spiderman, Spidergirl, X-Men, and other recents ones. They've come along way since those older ones <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :rollin --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/roll.gif ALT=":rollin"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> . <p></p><i></i>
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Re: We grew up with this stuff

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Sun Jul 09, 2006 8:40 am

re that archie comic, thats just a double entendre ala Terrence and Phillip...<br><br>I bet you have never seen a Viz comic...<br><br>But that rifleman comic.<br><br>I dunno where to start with that one. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: We grew up with this stuff

Postby Wolfmoon Lady » Sun Jul 09, 2006 5:17 pm

Sunny and MaryK - thanks for sharing YOUR stories about growing up, along with your insights on gender roles in TV land. Mary - congrats on your becoming a Boy Scout at last!!!<br><br>Chigger, I tend to agree that boys doing dishes is a good indicator of gender balance in any given household. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START ;) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> Nice that you had all those comics to read. My older brother has collected comics all of his life. He's four years older than me, so I've always enjoyed access to the suff he had in HIS closet. He even collected stuff like Katy Keene, which was pin-up style comic about a model/actress, and full of fashion pages. You could cut out different outfits and fold the tabs over Katy's cutout to give her a new look. So, for 15 cents, you could get a whole lot of entertainment from those comics. I read Katy because she led a glamorous life: no dishes, prudish clothes, or snotty, whiney kids for HER. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START ;) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>My favorites, however, were pre-code <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.horror-wood.com/e.c.horror.htm" target="top">horror comics</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> -- (The Vault of Horror, Haunt of Fear, Tales of Mystery, and Tales from the Crypt, which became a hugely popular TV series, as we all know).<br><br>RE: Horror and censorship, I've always been fascinated by James Whale's work, and the differences between Frankenstein (1931), which was uncensored, and Bride of Frankenstein (1935), which was heavily censored. <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://members.inode.at/359743/frankenstein/frankenstein-universal2.htm" target="top">Here's a pretty fair analysis</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> of the two films, for interested RI-ers. One thing this analysis misses is Whale's very intentional mock crucifixion of the monster - Whale had the villagers tie him to a pole and stand it upright, with Karloff's arms tied to a cross-bar, Jesus style. Gawd. They didn't even notice it, and that is funny considering you could not even say, "God" in those days.<br><br>Now about that Rifleman cover. Holy molasses! I had a huge crush on Johnny Crawford when I was young. Aside from wishing the kid was looking at the camera so I could see his pretty eyes, the cover's deeper visual message would have shot right over my head. (*cough*)<br><br>Cheers, all. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: We grew up with this stuff

Postby Wolfmoon Lady » Sun Jul 09, 2006 5:57 pm

Welcome to RI, Keen Insight. I have to say it must have been easier to 'avoid' social pressures to conform in the 80s. In the 50s, fuggedaboudit. I'm glad to hear that comic book girls have 'come a long way' since I was a kid.<br><br>As for history being "unkind to women" - well, these last few decades, women have been catching up. At least in terms of telling their own stories. I'm happy to say that a friend of mine, Ann Fessler, just published a book from the perspective of birth mothers who surrendered their infant children: <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.powells.com/biblio/1594200947" target="top">The Girls Who Went Away: The Hidden History of Women Who Surrendered Children for Adoption in the Decades Before Roe v. Wade</a><!--EZCODE LINK END-->.<br><br>Ann's book gives an alternative to the commonly accepted historical narrative of adoption in America. In such personal accounts, one reads the gut-wrenching details about unwed motherhood from those who went through it, rather than those who write a more critical history of so-called "bad girls." Every small town had at least one girl who 'disappeared' - but nobody really knew the details of what happened to them. The book reads like a gothic horror tale. The monsters are the Catholic Church and social workers. Highly recommended. <p></p><i></i>
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oh, my...

Postby Rigorous Intuition » Sun Jul 09, 2006 7:49 pm

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Re: oh, my...

Postby dude h homeslice ix » Mon Jul 10, 2006 2:32 am

look, skull and bones wins the war!<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.superdickery.com/images/propaganda/exciting35.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--> <p></p><i></i>
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