Trailer for "The Fountain"

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Trailer for "The Fountain"

Postby Attack Ships on Fire » Fri Jul 21, 2006 8:17 pm

I thought that some of our collected individuals here at RigInt would be interested in this forthcoming movie. Some of the topics addressed in it include immortality, reincarnation, interstellar travel, the belief that a soul is eternal and separate from the body, and that fate surrounds your free will.<br><br>Choose your pixel poison: <br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.apple.com/trailers/wb/thefountain/trailer1">www.apple.com/trailers/wb...n/trailer1</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Hugh, if you believe that there's counter-intel memes embedded in this film, then I have a bridge to sell you.<br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Trailer for "The Fountain" and "bridges t

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Sat Jul 22, 2006 1:48 pm

All media has themes embedded in it.<br><br>From cave paintings to the bible to Disney to the new CW network.<br><br>And after WWII military intelligence moved into all arenas to shape American culture to its own ends.<br><br>Not a wild theory, simple history and as rational as plumbing.<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://m.2mdn.net/1264357/336x280_7.18.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Trailer for "The Fountain" themes.

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Sat Jul 22, 2006 1:51 pm

War, war, war, and then some...war. Always against evil savages.<br><br>Here's a lovely pic from 'The Fountain'-<br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://z.about.com/d/movies/1/0/f/A/8/thefountain2006preview.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br>Male dominance as a costume drama (like 'Pirates of the Caribbean'), protecting weaker women, attempting 'progress' despite obstacles, etc.<br><br>Not very mystical. Fascist apologetics. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=hughmanateewins>Hugh Manatee Wins</A> at: 7/22/06 11:58 am<br></i>
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Re: Trailer for "The Fountain" themes.

Postby starroute » Sat Jul 22, 2006 5:12 pm

I've just come back from seeing Pirates of the Caribbean II, and I was reading it as (1) women more focused and ultimately more bad-ass than the men, (2) men being run around in circles by their need to seem macho and not keeping their eyes on business, and (3) the top-level villain is the representative of a soulless corporation (along with his assassin henchman) who wants us to believe that the world is changing and has no room in it for pirates any more.<br><br>It's possible to sneak an awful lot of truth by in a movie when all the producers can see is how many hundreds of millions of dollars they're going to make on it. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Trailer for "The Fountain" themes.

Postby orz » Sat Jul 22, 2006 6:44 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>All media has themes embedded in it.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>Aren't you able to step back and look at what you're saying?... "All media has themes embedded in it." is meaninglessly vague. It's is the same as saying "All communication has information in it." So? <br><br>You might as well say "all movies are made up of 24 images per second" and hold that up as some great dark hidden truth that you are revealing to the world... <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :rolleyes --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eyes.gif ALT=":rolleyes"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>How could anyone make a work of art in which no 'themes' can be detected?!!! Sorry, but that makes no sense. <br><br><br>Wondering how much you know about movies; do you watch many? Are you interested in them beyond your ideas about their "themes"?<br><br>For example, when you see this trailer, do you merely look at the surface (ie the story, ideas, imagery etc) and judge it as an isolated event coming from the amorphous concept of "Hollywood" or did you, as I did, think "wow, Darren Aranofsky's made a weird epic fantasy film!"<br><br>Do you consider knowledge of the filmmaking process and of specific directors etc to be important to your theories? If not, why not?<br><br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Can you name any film which in your opinion is free of malign "embedded" themes?</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->... or maybe which has the opposite of what you're pointing out here; benign, subversive or generally 'good' hidden themes? How about art house/independent/underground films?... student films? how deep does it go?<br><br>Do you even WATCH films? I only ask because most of your theories seem based soley on the marketing material... many of your theories (ie pirates II as above) are contradicted by the actual content of the film.<br><br>as you should know, posters, trailers etc usually cooked up without much input from the filmmakers by ad agencies in different parts of the world... and everyone knows trailers are never a reliable indication of the real content/quality of a film...... <br><br>Sorry for the many questions, I seriously would be interested to hear your answers to get a better idea of exactly what it is you're suggesting... because from where I'm sitting it doesn't make a whole load of sense I'm afraid. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :o --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/embarassed.gif ALT=":o"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=orz@rigorousintuition>orz</A> at: 7/22/06 6:33 pm<br></i>
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Re: Trailer for "The Fountain" themes.

Postby bvonahsen » Sat Jul 22, 2006 8:51 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Aren't you able to step back and look at what you're saying?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>No I don't believe Hugh can. He has that one bone and is going to gnaw it forever.<br><br>I believe that art, including most movies, imitates life rather than the other way around. There are no NOCs at Pixar. <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Maybe,</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> just maybe there are CIA influences in Hollywood and maybe they are able to influence a few movies. You know, the crappy ones where the script goes through countless revisions and unending medling by "the suits". <br><br>In TV, cable and print you have a few who own too much and they, like Murdoc and others, are often very conservative. Just being in a cororate environment itself is enough to skew how media responds to world events.<br><br>Take a look at radio. It used to be a rich and diverse environment full of independant voices. Once corporations like Clear Channel got their grubby little hands in there... well... radio is now a wasteland. No one I know listens to radio any more. Except for public radio there is nothing for me to listen to. Now just take this general principle and extend it to newspapers, braodcast news, cable news... and you get the picture.<br><br>Project mockingbird did exist, and Popular Mechanics does have some articles written by the CIA, but I think the larger forces I outlined above are a bigger influence and a better explaination for some of the things Hugh goes on about. I don't believe his keyword hijacking theory at all. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Trailer for "The Fountain" themes.

Postby Attack Ships on Fire » Sun Jul 23, 2006 3:33 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Not very mystical. Fascist apologetics.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>And here I thought that was a scene at a South American mosh pit.<br><br>Hugh, did you know that while Roger Ebert is recovering from his latest malady, Richard Roeper (Ebert's co-host on "At the Movies") will be reviewing the new movies with guest film critics? You should consider subbing in with Roeper for at least one week. I'm betting that it would be a blast to watch you two review "Snakes on a Plane" or "The Ant Bully". Oh wait, hold the phone: Oliver Stone's "World Trade Center" opens next month. Now THAT episode of "At the Movies" I would most definitely like to see.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Trailer for "The Fountain" themes.

Postby orz » Sun Jul 23, 2006 3:43 am

<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :lol --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/laugh.gif ALT=":lol"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>"Snakes on a Plane" is gonna be a keyword-hijacking motherlode for sure! <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> You could go deep into Ike terratory with that one! ^_^ <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Trailer for "The Fountain" themes.

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Sun Jul 23, 2006 1:43 pm

Besides typical adrenaline addiction to keep people watching, scary animals are used to suggest that the environment is not your friend and violence is natural. So we get snakes, spiders, ticks, mosquitos, sharks, bears, etc. to <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>discredit Mother Nature as corporate-friendly mili-tainment.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>"Snakes on a Plane" is gonna be a keyword-hijacking motherlode for sure!<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>This is on the front page of Yahoo! today. <br>Can you say "psychic-seeding of the market for the movie during holiday hiking season"?<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Buzz Log - <br>What the world is searching for » More Buzz<br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/buzz/2006/07/pythonsmall.jpg"">us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.co...small.jpg"</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br>Snake-y searches!<br>Has the animal kingdom gone mad? We investigate the latest in creepy creature buzz. More...<br>Popular Animal Searches<br>1. Burmese Python<br>2. Pacu <br>3. Northern Snakehead <br>4. Flesh-Eating Kangaroo <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=hughmanateewins>Hugh Manatee Wins</A> at: 7/23/06 11:44 am<br></i>
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Re: Starroute on 'The Fountain"

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Sun Jul 23, 2006 1:52 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr> I was reading it as (1) women more focused and ultimately more bad-ass than the men<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><br>Yup. Women are portrayed as threats to men by either being fluffy bimbo deadwood blocking the exit door from boredom to excitement<br>OR<br>too-clever to be comfortable with and outright evil, controlling, emasculating as the witch, the siren, the harpie, the Mom-churian Candidate.<br><br>Remember that in 'Pirates' (might as well be 'Mafia') that <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>the black witchy woman</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> warns Jack Sparrow about Davey Jones who<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong> used to be ok back before a woman destroyed him.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>I laughed at the hapless Matthew Broderick charactor in 'The Election' until I realized the culture war gender agit-prop theme-<br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>hapless men trying-to-do-the-right-thing undermined by the fickle failings of women.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>There it is in 'Pirates.' Look for it in pop culture. It's everywhere.<br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=hughmanateewins>Hugh Manatee Wins</A> at: 7/23/06 11:55 am<br></i>
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Re: the witchy woman

Postby Jezebelladonna » Sun Jul 23, 2006 2:09 pm

A friend once pointed out Stephen King's tendency to deploy the "miracle negro" trope into his stories and movies: the african-american character who is wizened or imbued with magical powers or insights (see The Green Mile, The Stand, Shawshank, The Shining, etc).<br><br>I read an analysis later that posited that woman and black people are "objectified" in that way to promote or capitalize on the notion that they are closer to the earth (like native americans) and less tangled up in civilization (savages?) so better able to receive the signals of the spirit-world. <br><br>Now, of course, I see that trope over and over. Not every character imbued with special powers or insights is a female or non-white, but it is, nevertheless, predominant.<br><br>The witchy woman in Pirates II reminded me of that. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Starroute on 'The Fountain"

Postby sunny » Sun Jul 23, 2006 2:13 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I laughed at the hapless Matthew Broderick charactor in 'The Election' until I realized the culture war gender agit-prop theme-<br>hapless men trying-to-do-the-right-thing undermined by the fickle failings of women.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>(see my comments in the Nic Cage thread in re My Super-ex Girlfriend for my take on such themes)<br><br>Hugh, as you know, I agree with you about sexism in H'wood, tho we disagree on it's origins. But I want to reiterate or rephrase a question from above- are there any movies that you enjoy? Do you ever just sit back and let yourself be entertained? For instance, in Pirates 2, I actually enjoyed that the female lead got to participate in so much of the action. I enjoyed the freewhelling adventure, the fx were great, the cinematography was lush, and even the set design contributed to the overall sense of fun.<br><br>We can be aware of "underlying themes" and not necessarily let it affect our enjoyment, if it is not <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>too</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> pernicious. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Sunny asks me-

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Sun Jul 23, 2006 3:17 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Do you ever just sit back and let yourself be entertained?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Not for a long time. There are images from Auschwitz, Vietnam, Abu Ghraib, and Fallujah burned into my mind forever.<br><br>That focuses my brain mightily.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Have you ever seen a pile of severed hands? I have.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>They were cut off by the CIA-trained Iranian secret police called the Savak in the 1970s. You can see them in a guerilla documentary about the CIA called 'On Company Business' with ex-CIA whistleblowers like Phillip Agee and John Stockwell telling what they did, saw, and refused to do. <br><br>There are too many people being starved, terrorized, poisoned, looted, tortured, and killed <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>for me to not be mindful of how few people notice and try to stop it.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>So in a house on fire, entertainment has a low moral priority.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>In fact, entertainment is an instrument of war using distraction, indoctrination, and confusion to perpetuate atrocities.<br></strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>The fact/fiction ratio in America is deadly.<br><br>American culture is a swirl of fiction, fantasy, superstition, and hedonism with very little history, science, or facts that support social justice and peace.<br><br>Even caring people like anti-war college teachers I know are easily distracted into trivial or compartmentalized experiences that placate their outrage.<br><br>This is the normal result of being sufficiently isolated from atrocities to be able to put them 'on a back burner' or having learned helplessness or even the magical thinking that we simply 'shall overcome.'<br><br>I just saw this in Adbusters magazine-<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://adbusters.org/metas/psycho/mediacarta/">adbusters.org/metas/psycho/mediacarta/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>The idea is that you only have so much waking use of your brain in your life and what you put into your mind can either help social justice or hurt it.<br><br>You might recoil at the black-and-white moralism of "with us or against us" but consider the stakes. <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>There is a war against We the People and We must respond with how we live, think, behave, and communicate.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>Total War against us demands a response of Total Peace.<br>And educating ourselves and others instead of just amusing ourselves is part of that response.<br><br><br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Sunny asks me-

Postby professorpan » Sun Jul 23, 2006 3:41 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Not for a long time. There are images from Auschwitz, Vietnam, Abu Ghraib, and Fallujah burned into my mind forever.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Yeah, mine, too. But that doesn't keep me from enjoying art. I pity that you're so focused on the horrors -- it must be difficult. <br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>In fact, entertainment is an instrument of war using distraction, indoctrination, and confusion to perpetuate atrocities.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>And entertainment can lift the human spirit, make us appreciate our commonalities, and engender empathy toward other beings and nature. <br><br>I couldn't live in your Orwellian world, Hugh -- the world in which all entertainment must be subservient to your narrow ideology.<br><br>Nope. That's a world devoid of humor, pleasure, and fun. Ever heard of that saying of Emma Goldman's, Hugh?<br><br>"If I can't dance, I don't want to be part of your revolution."<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Prof Pan comments

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Sun Jul 23, 2006 4:56 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I couldn't live in your Orwellian world, Hugh -- the world in which all entertainment must be subservient to your narrow ideology.<br><br>Nope. That's a world devoid of humor, pleasure, and fun. Ever heard of that saying of Emma Goldman's, Hugh?<br><br>"If I can't dance, I don't want to be part of your revolution."<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong><br>Don't try to portray me as the perpetrator of the very thing I'm exposing. THAT's Orwell-ification, Prof Pan.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>What's with "all entertainment"? All of it has values, of course.<br><br>But corporate-national media (fascist) is all mind viruses or rewards to keep you taking those meds for Big Brother. <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Independent</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> 'entertainment' is whatever the maker wants it to be. But how many don't see the need to counter the poisonous media? How many are 'doing their own thing'? Lots. And distribution and marketing is choked by the powers-that-be. Quite an obstacle course for humane truths to get through to spread information and good will in the spirit of social evolution.<br><br>The meme that social activists "are no fun" and "don't want anyone else to have a good time" is a trivializing one- <br>the stereotype of the angry intellectual railing against "things they can't change and don't even understand."<br><br>I do understand it and we can change things by educating each other.<br><br>I have fun exposing bullshit. :D <br>And I take great joy in seeing faces light up with empowerment when I teach the history of scientific fascism and connect the dots for the big Aha! People like to be let in on the joke or scam.<br><br>Because empowering people to pull others out of a house on fire is more satisfying than inducing 'awe and wonder' at the spectacle of fire.;) <br><br>So I fully understand the value of morale. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>But hope is not a plan.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>I'm pointing to the absurd imbalance of fact to fiction and how it derails and dissipates any attempts at organized resistance to scientific fascism.<br><br>And no, I didn't make entertainment "subservient to (my) narrow ideology." That was done before WWII but institutionalized in the name of the National Security State as you find if you study the history of the CIA's public relations work for USA, Inc. and the Pentagon's Revolution in Military Affairs which fuels social engineering campaigns.<br><br>See 'Psychological Strategy Board' and the history of propaganda as described by Edward Bernays leading to Total War mechanisms of indoctrination with many names: <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>propaganda, public relations, strategic persuasion, perception management,</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> all meaning the same thing: the controlling of people's values, attitudes, beliefs to control their behavior.<br><br>Have you read Jerry Mander's 1978 book <br>'Four Arguments for the Elimination of Television'?<br>Pick up a copy. <br><br>Mander's a former ad executive who exposes the mind control and psychic dictatorship of the idiot box and doesn't even touch on MK-ULTRA or Operation Mockingbird. 1978, mind you.<br><br>p. 97-<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br><!--EZCODE UNDERLINE START--><span style="text-decoration:underline"><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Eight Ideal Conditions for the Flowering of Autocracy</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--></span><!--EZCODE UNDERLINE END--><br><br>...a system of preconditions from which we can expect monolithic systems of control to emerge. These may be institutional autocracies or dictatorships. For the moment, it will be simpler to use the dictatorship model.<br><br>Imagine that like some kind of science fiction dictator you intended to rule the world. You would probably have pinned over your desk a list something like this:<br><br>1) <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Eliminate personal knowledge.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>Make it hard for people to know about themselves, how they function, what a human being is, or how a human fits into wider, natural systems. This will make it impossible for the human to seperate natural from artificial, real from unreal. <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>You</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> provide the answers.<br><br>2) <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Eliminate points of comparison.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>Comparisons can be found in earlier societies, older language forms and cultural artifacts, including print media. Eliminate or museumize indiginous cultures, wilderness and nonhuman life forms. Re-create internal human experience-instincts, thoughts, and spontaneous, varied feelings-so that it will not evoke the past.<br><br>3) <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Seperate people from each other.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>Reduce interpersonal communication through lifestyles that emphasize seperateness. When people gather together, be sure it is for a prearranged experience that occupies all their attention at once. Spectator sports are excellent, so are circuses, elections, and any spectacles in which focus is outward and interpersonal exchange is subordinated to mass experience.<br><br>4) <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Unify experience, especially encouraging mental experience at the expence of sensory experience.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>Seperate people's minds from their bodies, as in sense-deprivation experiments, thus clearing the mental channel for implantation. Idealize the mind. Sensory experience cannot be eliminated totally, so it should be driven into narrow areas. An emphasis on sex as opposed to sense may be useful because it is powerful enough to pass for the whole thing and it has a placebo effect.<br><br>5) <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Occupy the mind.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> <br>Once people are isolated in their minds, fill their brains with prearranged experience and thought. Content is less important than the fact of the mind being filled. Free-roaming thought is to be discouraged at all costs, because it is difficult to control.<br><br>6) <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Encourage drug use.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>Recognize that total repression is impossible and so expressions of revolt must be contained on the personal level. Drugs will fill in the cracks of dissatisfaction, making people unresponsive to organized expressions of resistance.<br><br>7) <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Centralize knowledge and information.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>Having isolated people from each other and minds from bodies; eliminated points of comparison; discouraged sensory experience; and invented technologies to unify and control experience, <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>speak.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> At this point whatever comes from outside will enter directly into all brains at the same time with great power and believability.<br><br>8) <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Redefine happiness and the meaning of life in terms of new and increasingly unrooted philosophy.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>Once you've established the prior seven conditions, this one is easy. Anything makes sense in a void. All channels are open, receptive, and unquestioning. Formal mind structuring is simple.<br>Most important, avoid naturalistic philosophies, the lead to uncontrollable awareness. The least resistable philosophies are the most arbitrary ones, those that make sense only in terms of themselves.<br>....<br><br>There is considerable evidence that the science fiction vision of arbitrary reality inevitiably leading to autocracy has already begun to materialize. We can see it in action in the quasi-religious philosophies that are now sweeping the country, gathering in millions of devotees.<br><br>The techniques used in gathering adherents to these burgeoning movements are startingly similar in conception to <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>1984, Solaris, Brave New World</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> and the eight-pointed list just offered. The results are also similar. Converts effectively submit to having their minds reconstructed along simpler, flat, narrow, but, most important, unrooted channels. This allows them to embrace arbitrary information as though it were grounded in concrete reality.<br><br>In a world where alienation and confusion are common conditions, these new philosophies offer a comforting mental order that accepts and absorbs all contradictions. The danger is that once people's minds are so simplified and receptive, they become vulnerable to any leader, guru or system of forces which understands the simplicity of the code and can speak the appropriate techno-speak.<br>....<br>Like a mass of Manchurian candidates, the people whose minds have been retrained into passive channels by these technologically-based processes are available at all times for imprinting. In this way they merge with and can accept advertising-mind, television mind and other simplistic intrusions without the slightest belch of rejection.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Wow. Again, this was in 1978. Someone recently wrote an article on how now we all live in Jonestown. 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