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Postby Et in Arcadia ego » Mon Aug 14, 2006 5:16 am

I definately don't 'see conspiracy' everywhere I look, but this has got to be a psy-op/viral meme if I ever saw one. There's no way these people can mean the shit that they're saying..Has anyone here ever been to this website? These people just CAN'T be for real..I've lived smack-dabb in the middle of the Bible Belt and I have never heard ANYONE talking the crap these people are talking in these videos..<br><br>They can't be real. And if they are, all I can say is, "No fucking wonder.."<br><br>*WARNING* This link takes you to a page of videos that comprise the most saturated amount of hate I've personally ever seen online..I post the link because I feel people have an inherent right to know that places like this are out there. My freedom of speech = their freedom of speech, but daaammnn..<br><br>These asshole say some stuff that would make an athiest back up a few paces to avoid the lightning strike.<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.thesignsofthetimes.net/watchsignmovies.html">Link..</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <p>____________________<br>Some are born to sweet delight, some are born to endless night.</p><i></i>
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Re: signofthetimes.net

Postby Dreams End » Mon Aug 14, 2006 10:11 am

Oh yes, the lovely and talented Fred Phelps. He's been coming to Nashville and protesting for many years. <br><br>He may be sincere in his belief, but the end result is that people associate protesting the war with this guy and his group. They protest military funerals....but do so by carrying signs that it's great the guy was killed as it is god's judgment, etc. <br><br>Here in this area, there was a bill that I can't remember if it passed, which limited protests at funerals because of these guys. No one I know would actually protest at a funeral, but I could see a time that such a law could be used to limit shows of solidarity at a funeral. <br><br>Seems to me the first time I saw the good reverend was way back when I helped organize an anti-apartheid rally here in 1988 or so. He's a local fixture...though why, I don't know as I think he lives in Kansas.<br><br>If you have not had an event picketed by him, you aren't doing something right...... <p></p><i></i>
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Postby bvonahsen » Mon Aug 14, 2006 12:16 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Here in this area, there was a bill that I can't remember if it passed, which limited protests at funerals because of these guys.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Here in Minnesota we've passed such a law. His cult came in and disrupted the funeral of a soldier who died in Iraq. It has been one of those rare things most people around here can agree on.<br><br>The real question with such groups is "What is going on under the surface?" "Where did he come from?" and "Whose larger purpose does he serve?" <p></p><i></i>
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Postby Seamus OBlimey » Mon Aug 14, 2006 12:21 pm

Having just watched a few of those clips I was reminded of the punk\agit-prop \street theatre scene. It's pure Crass, Chumawamba etc. Take the belief system to it's logical extreme and throw it back in the face of the believer. Watch their reaction. By their acts ye shall know them.<br><br>Even if they're for real then they're no worse than your average fundies of any stripe and a lot better than the ones that kill.<br><br>But then I thought the De Mendez shooting was the ultimate street theatre, totally underground. Another snuff movie for the elite. Well where are the tapes?<br><br>Parody or proper I'm thinking of posting a few of these on the video links thread. Any objections in writing forthwith please.<br><br>singalong now...<br><br>You call it psy-op<br>I call it agit-prop<br>Let's call the whole thing...<br>Propaganda<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: signofthetimes.net

Postby bvonahsen » Mon Aug 14, 2006 5:44 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Even if they're for real then they're no worse than your average fundies of any stripe and a lot better than the ones that kill.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Oh Fred Phelps is very real and so is the hate he spreads. He believes every word and intends every threat he makes. His two daughters are just like him, mean viscious little slugs pretending to be human.<br><br>The larger point is: people like Fred Phelps are not natural. They do not just happen naturally, they are made. So who made Fred the sick twisted shadow of man he is I wonder?<br><br>Let's see what wikipedia has to say.<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Phelps">Wikipedia entry</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Fred Phelps was born in Meridian, Mississippi in 1929, the first of two children; his sister, Martha-Jean, was one year younger. His father, Fred Wade Phelps, was a detective employed by the local railroad, whose job was to keep people from illegally riding the rails. Fred recalls his father often came home from work "with blood up to his shoulders". Fred's mother, Catherine Phelps, was a homemaker. The family were devout members of the Methodist Episcopal Church, South. Catherine died of throat cancer at the age of twenty-eight, when Phelps was five years old. It was the first significant experience of his life, and one that appears to have affected him greatly.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Oh yeah, sounds like a lovely home environment. I wonder if dad "brought his work home"?<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Friends and enemies alike recall the young Fred Phelps as a bright, quiet young man; those asked seem to unanimously agree that he was fairly well liked in high school, despite not being very sociable (something to which Phelps himself admits). Friends further recall that Phelps had tendencies to be overbearing and arrogant. By Phelps's own admission, he never dated, and had no interest in members of the opposite sex<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Gay... <br>Sorry but I really think he is. My personal experience is that whenever you have intense hate like Fred does, just below the surface is boiling cauldron of sexual desire. I know it is a truism but I have seen it born out time and time again. <br><br>The man is flamming Priscilla-Queen-of-the-Desert gay (Great movie BTW).<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Sometime following his graduation from Washburn, Phelps became addicted to amphetamine and barbiturates, which he often combined with large quantities of alcohol.<br>Phelps continued to take drugs, consume alcohol, and binge eat for six years, and would often go for days or weeks without leaving his bedroom. When Phelps did leave his room, it was to throw temper tantrums, during which he would throw food, break plates, and scream at his children for not eating. When Phelps was then too exhausted to continue his fit, he would take his wife back to their room for sex while the children cleaned up after him.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Uh huh... I saw that comming, the only way to repress those inner desires is through drugs and alcohol. Just about everyone that goes through AA is aware that once you stop drinkin' an druggin' unresolved sexual issues bubble up and demand to be attended to.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Fred's position at Eastside was shortlived; as some congregants would recall years later, he was a "reverend from Hell." Almost immediately his sermons exhibited the hate-filled spirit which would later characterize his ministry. For example, as a means of encouraging the wives and children to "submit to the father's authority in the home," Phelps began encouraging his congregants to beat them if necessary; he was once forced to bail one of his parishioners out of jail after counseling the man to punch his wife in the face until she became "subjugated." Parishioners of Eastside recall one of Phelps' sermons in particular (which references his high-school boxing talent):<br><br> A good left hook makes for a right fine wife. Brethren, they can lock us up, but we'll still do what the Bible tells us to do. Either our wives are going to obey, or we're going to beat them!<br><br>The congregants, when asked by the Topeka Capital-Journal in interviews years later, recalled an incident one Sunday morning when Phelps' infant son, Mark, began to squirm during a sermon; Phelps responded by repeatedly punching the baby in the face. Afterwards, several men of the congregation confronted Phelps about the attack.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>How can anyone doubt that here is a man of God?<br><br>Ok, what about child abuse?<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>In 1993, during research that the Topeka Capital-Journal was conducting for a story on Phelps, they discovered that Phelps had obtained the candy by defrauding the manufacturer.[14] As of 1994, Phelps had lost two lawsuits to the manufacturer and was ordered to pay them an amount in excess of US$125,000. A representative of the manufacturer told the Topeka Capital Journal in 1994 that they were attempting to find Phelps' bank account to place a lien against it, but had been unsuccessful.[14] It is unknown whether or not Phelps has ever paid the manufacturer.<br><br>Eventually, candy sales dried up, but Phelps was insistent that money keep coming in from them. In order to avoid beatings, the children began stealing from businesses around town and acting as purse-snatchers. [14] The children were often caught, with eyewitnesses filing affidavits, but the district attorney refused to prosecute even one case for fear of violent retribution from Phelps. [15] Eventually, the theft became so prominent and so severe that the Topeka Police Department began a special investigation into Phelps under the belief that he was running a "Fagin operation."<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Check<br><br>A suicide attempt?<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>In 1968, Phelps tried to commit suicide while high on methamphetamine, attempting to shoot himself in the head with a shotgun; he was so inebriated, however, that he ended up missing his head completely and striking a roll of insulation. [7] Shortly thereafter, Phelps overdosed on a cocktail of alcohol and amphetamine. [14] He slipped into a coma and was rushed to the hospital, where he remained comatose for a week.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Check<br><br>Murder?<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>It remains in great dispute how much involvement Phelps had in the death of 17 year old Topeka girl Debbie Valgos, whom some of his family members claim was married to his son Fred Jr. in a secret ceremony. While Valgos' cause of death is listed as "accidental," the circumstances surrounding her demise leave it questionable as to whether she died accidentally, committed suicide, or whether she was murdered by someone conspiring with Fred Phelps.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Check<br><br>And there is still more but I think we've all had enough.<br><br>Finally:<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Because of his outlandish behavior and activism, some have speculated whether Phelps might be an elaborate prankster or agent provocateur. Such speculation has come from across the spectrum, both from liberals who find him to be too much of a caricature of their arguments regarding the religious right and conservatives who believe he must be consciously trying to discredit social conservatives [19]:<br><br> The group is so outrageous that some among the extreme-right have speculated that Phelps is a plant aimed at giving the anti-gay movement a bad name, said Mark Potok, the director of the intelligence project at the Southern Poverty Law Center which tracks hate crimes.<br><br>Conservative author Keith R. Wood made this suggestion in a column in 2004, and it has been repeated elsewhere since then. Such claims, however, have been contradicted by testimony given by Phelps' estranged children who have argued their father's beliefs are very real.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Indeed. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: signofthetimes.net

Postby Et in Arcadia ego » Mon Aug 14, 2006 7:35 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Gay...<br>Sorry but I really think he is. My personal experience is that whenever you have intense hate like Fred does, just below the surface is boiling cauldron of sexual desire. I know it is a truism but I have seen it born out time and time again.<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Word; same impression I got. That self-loathing's a real bitch sometimes, eh?<br><br>Sounds like he had a hard life. I did too, but I'm not a fucking asshole as a consequence. Abused people make decisions, they have clearly defined choices about who and what they wanna be.<br><br>As an abused child myself, this guy makes me sick. <p>____________________<br>Some are born to sweet delight, some are born to endless night.</p><i></i>
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Postby yesferatu » Mon Aug 14, 2006 10:55 pm

It has a South Park feel to me. <br>Like, if there was no such thing as Phelps and his crew, and Matt & Trey had to create from their imagination such a group in keeping with South Park caricatures....they would have to come up with a Phelps-type church and personalities and dialogue.<br><br>Could you imagine if one of the Phelpsies woke up one day and realized what they are, and saw themselves objectively with a lucid understanding of what that meant? You would HAVE to off yourself, no?<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Postby Seamus OBlimey » Tue Aug 15, 2006 1:21 pm

Thanks bvon, I've just had a quick skim through that Wiki and it sheds a lot more light on the guy. 13 kids? Sounds like an empire builder.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>once you stop drinkin' an druggin' unresolved sexual issues bubble up and demand to be attended to.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I've noticed <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START ;) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> hic..<br><br>Thanks others too for input esp Arcadia for throwing this up in the first place.<br><br>I hope my links on the videos thread don't offend anyone too much and I know it's messy but couldn't find the songs I wanted.<br><br>Oh and youtube's down just now, another victim of their own success after ..<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4793481.stm">BBC TIMES</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,1843927,00.html">Guardian</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>You would HAVE to off yourself, no?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>No yesfer I would only have to change my mind. Something most people are capable of. <br><br>Yeah, sign of the times <p></p><i></i>
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