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Upsurge: Dark U.S. Crime tales at Venice film festival

Postby Gouda » Tue Aug 29, 2006 3:11 pm

<!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://edition.cnn.com/2006/SHOWBIZ/Movies/08/29/venice.film.reut/index.html">CNN Link</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Dark U.S. tales light up Venice film festival</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>VENICE, Italy (Reuters) -- Dark tales of real-life crime dominate Hollywood's star-studded assault on the Venice Film Festival this year, with U.S. directors drawing inspiration from murder mysteries of the 1940s, 50s and 60s.<br><br>The 11-day competition, held along the exclusive Lido beachfront across the water from Venice, kicks off on Wednesday with widely anticipated <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>"The Black Dahlia," </strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->about two policemen assigned to investigate the brutal murder of an unknown actress.<br><br>Set in 1947 and based on a crime novel by James Ellroy, the movie stars Scarlett Johansson and two-time Oscar winner Hilary Swank as a mysterious figure linked to the crime.<br>...<br><br>Cinematic crime<br><br>Muller said "The Black Dahlia" was a film about the "<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>dark side of Tinseltown" </strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->in which director Brian de Palma was "waltzing on the thin line between the artistic and the commercial."<br><br>The movie is a fitting opening to a festival also featuring competition entrants <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>"Hollywoodland", about the mysterious death of Superman TV star George Reeves in 1959, and "Bobby," about the assassination of Robert Kennedy in 1968.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>...<br><br>Also eagerly awaited by Oscar watchers will be <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Darren Aronofsky's "The Fountain" and Alfonso Cuaron's "Children of Men," with Clive Owen, Michael Caine and Julianne Moore about a plague of infertility that threatens humankind.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>Director <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>David Lynch is expected on the Lido with "Inland Empire,"</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> as is Jackie Chan for "Rob-B-Hood," Kenneth Branagh with the world premiere of "The Magic Flute" and Paul Verhoeven for "Zwartboek" about a German Jewish girl in World War II.<br>...<br><br>Also vying for the Golden Lion is Britain's Stephen Frears, whose <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>"The Queen" examines the royal family's reaction to the death in a 1997 car crash of popular Princess Diana.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Hollywoodland

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Tue Aug 29, 2006 3:20 pm

That movie is using Superman to represent America and demonizing Hollywood as the killer of America.<br><br>Included in the Superman-as-America psychic transferrance is demonizing women since Lois Lane Girl Reporter is always questioning American militarism - I mean - <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Superman</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> and threatening to reveal his identity like some kind of 'hate-America-first-er.'<br><br>Recall that the post-WWII Red Scare targeted Hollywood and crucified a few for being too lefty and put them all into Patriot Mode generating Cold War propaganda.<br><br>Because Hollywood is a tool of the State Department and truth-tellers must be targeted and discredited as pesky Lois Lane's undermining our Greatness.<br><br>See 'Ronald Reagan.' <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Hollywoodland

Postby Attack Ships on Fire » Tue Aug 29, 2006 4:45 pm

The producers of "Hollywoodland" have been trying for years to get it made. Nobody was lining up to get the film made, which kind of puts a hole in your theory that some covert black ops program funds and puts out these movies.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>That movie is using Superman to represent America and demonizing Hollywood as the killer of America.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>No, the movie is based in part on the mysterious death of actor George Reeves. You do know that George Reeves was a real person, don't you?<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Hollywoodland

Postby Uncle Scam » Tue Aug 29, 2006 8:01 pm

Has anyone here heard "The Black Dahlia" Jazz album, by the <br>Bob Belden trio?<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.artistdirect.com/nad/store/artist/album/0,,1104378,00.html">www.artistdirect.com/nad/...78,00.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Bob Belden became well-known during the '90s as an arranger and producer. Black Dahlia is the first full-length release of original music to appear under his name. It is a sweeping, ambitious work, featuring a large ensemble that includes the very finest jazz improvisers. The project was inspired by the true story of Elizabeth Short, aka the Black Dahlia, a shadowy character whose grisly murder in 1947, at age 22, became the subject of novels by James Ellroy and John Gregory Dunne. The killing, which remains unsolved, continues to captivate the public imagination and has gained iconic significance in the history of the Los Angeles underworld of the '30s and '40s. Belden's suite is essentially a tone poem, a musical portrayal of Elizabeth Short's life and death. In his self-penned liner notes, Belden is explicit about his major influences: the Grand Opera tradition of Puccini, Berg, and Henze, and Jerry Goldsmith's score to the 1974 film Chinatown, directed by Roman Polanski. The operatic influence is clear in Belden's use of leitmotifs: symbolic and recurring musical gestures such as the "Love Theme," the "Death Chords," and the "Black Dahlia Interval" (a minor third). And the central musical texture used by Goldsmith in Chinatown -- lonely trumpet over a bed of strings, piano, and/or harps -- is, in fact, borrowed quite directly by Belden, on the tracks "Genesis" and "City of Angels."<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Hollywoodland

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Tue Aug 29, 2006 8:43 pm

on edit: Damn. Sorry for the oversize photo stretching the page but that photo says it all. 'Harmless fun entertainment' is what is used to get mind viruses into the heads of children to indoctrinate them with nationalism, militarism, and racism.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>No, the movie is based in part on the mysterious death of actor George Reeves. You do know that George Reeves was a real person, don't you?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I don't mean to be rude but...DUH.<br>What on earth did you think I was referring to?<br><br>This really doesn't sink in for you, does it, when I go past the face value of a corporate-generated narrative and its characters to analyze social engineering using role models, hero vs anti-hero, emotional triggers, associations, analogies, transferrence, keyword hijacking, psychic shock-absorbers, etc. ?<br><br>This is called finding the intended effect of promoting images, values, and behaviors, ie. deconstructing Propaganda by picking apart the pieces assembled as Units of Meaning.<br><br>Go look at the 'images only' thread and look at what Jeff put up on page 40 and you will see what super heroes are used for and Superman is America, always has been, always will be. So one looks at who his friends and foes are to see the propaganda message of who and what behavior is state-sanctioned.<br><br> Women are not the friends of American militarism and neither is Lois Lane the trusted friend of Clark Kent. She also represents journalists, doesn't she? <br><br>In this amazing series of photos we can see that the Pentagon used Captain America instead of Superman to make sure the message was telegraphed loud and clear to soon-to-be recruitable children. Lots of mileage just off the red and blue costumes-<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm10.showMessageRange?topicID=5379.topic&start=781&stop=800">p216.ezboard.com/frigorou...1&stop=800</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/JeffWells/subalbum1/pentagon-comics.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br>http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/JeffWells/subalbum1/rumsfeld-spiderman.jpg<br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/JeffWells/subalbum1/rumsfeld-spiderman-cpta2.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/JeffWells/subalbum1/rumsfeld-spiderman-cpta.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/JeffWells/subalbum1/pentagon-comics2.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=hughmanateewins>Hugh Manatee Wins</A> at: 8/30/06 1:47 am<br></i>
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Re: Hollywoodland

Postby Attack Ships on Fire » Tue Aug 29, 2006 10:13 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I don't mean to be rude but...DUH. What on earth did you think I was referring to?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Not once did you mention what "Hollywoodland" was about in your original post. Instead, you said:<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>That movie is using Superman to represent America and demonizing Hollywood as the killer of America.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, Hugh. Not every film is being used for sinister purposes (if you don't count making money as a sinister purpose.)<br><br>And as for your photos of Marvel superheroes being pimped out for Rumsfeld and the war on terror...no kidding. Marvel has always been quick to use their A-list superheroes for any feel good public service message; they get the publicity for their copyrights and in turn the messenger gets to identify their meme with kids and superhero fun. Where were you when Spider-Man was pimping out basic education in the 70s on "The Electric Company"?<br><br>I don't think you fully understand that Marvel Comics is in the business of making money, and they will use every method to do so. Comics are something like 15% of the total revenue that Marvel Comics generates per year, the rest is through licensing (kids clothing, backpacks, pencils, etc.), video games, TV shows, DVD sales and movie revenue.<br><br>The artist/writer team that produces the monthly comic "The New Avengers" has zip, zero, zilch to do with how Marvel chooses to use that imagery and storyline for future purposes. If Marvel wants to make a big poster showcasing the mighty Avengers and stick it in with a bunch of Marines doing a PR middle school recruiting drive, they will. And they did. If the writer of "Amazing Spider-Man" hates the Bush administration and thinks Donald Rumsfeld is Satan in disguise, there is absolutely nothing he can do about stopping some poor starving actor from being hired to wear a saggy spandex Spider-Man costume and wave at a function where Rumsfeld is in attendance.<br><br>You choose to show the imagery where Marvel superheroes are pimped out for the military or Bush administration. These same superheroes and their related imagery is pimped out to attract visitors to theme parks, to buy ice cream, to see movies, to dress up as for Halloween. It is not solely used to further the aims of BushCo, and there are people behind the scenes that create a neverending stream of comic book stories, artwork and characters that will be used by the large corporate entity known as Marvel Comics for whatever purposes the corporation deems as important to their interests.<br><br>It's been like that since the dawn of mass entertainment at the start of the 20th century. Don't think it's a recent invention Hugh, but by the same token, don't lump a kid's simple enjoyment from dressing up as Spider-Man at Halloween with the downfall of western thought.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Women are not the friends of American militarism and neither is Lois Lane the trusted friend of Clark Kent. She also represents journalists, doesn't she?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>At the expensive of sounding like a prick, Lois Lane is a fictional character. She can be used for whatever aims a person has, whether it's in fanfic porn, a single mom hiding her son from Superman's knowledge (as seen in the latest movie) or as a role model for aspiring female journos...and that was what the character was pimped as back in the 40s and 50s, when there wasn't a lot of female journalists. She's as mallable as clay and used by writers and DC Comics, her owners, to suit whatever mission they want to achieve with her, whether that's to entertain comic readers, attract a female audience or use for a plot point in the latest Superman adventure. It's unfortunate to see someone such as you Hugh, who has seemingly unending energy and willpower, endeavor to uncover links connecting the prostitution and corruption of mainstream entertainment for nefarious purposes, to wash over or outright be ignorant of some of the positive things her character -- or for that matter, *any* of these imaginary characters -- has done for the imagination of the general public.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Hollywoodland

Postby Ouish » Tue Aug 29, 2006 10:16 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>This really doesn't sink in for you, does it, when I go past the face value of a corporate-generated narrative and its characters to analyze social engineering using role models, hero vs anti-hero, emotional triggers, associations, analogies, transferrence, keyword hijacking, psychic shock-absorbers, etc. ?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Movies contain all these, but that doesn't mean they're put there in an orderly, perfectly aware process. These can be unconscious material, or genre/industry default settings, or even accidents since movies don't have to be thought up beyond a certain literal-minded point: the camera creates footage mechanically which is then cut together. I'm not disagreeing with how you read movies, I'm just pointing out that what movies mean and how they're made aren't necessarily related, so content doesn't have to have been intended by anyone to be there. I also think that, even within the context of corporate Hollywood, it's possible to use this kind of implicit material to suggest critical or radical perspectives, to create "subversive" art, and that dark crime movies, or film noir, have been a traditional area for this in Hollywood.<br><br>For example, especially given that <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Hollywoodland</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> is an independent film, it's possible that it takes a critical or ironic approach to Superman, perhaps juxtaposing his superficiality with the reality behind the scenes. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: The Black Dahlia

Postby Ouish » Tue Aug 29, 2006 10:40 pm

This is the movie I'm looking forward to the most at the moment. DePalma's political and parapolitical instincts have always been interesting -- see Hi Mom!, Sisters, The Fury, Blow Out, Scarface, Casualties of War, Raising Cain, Snake Eyes, Femme Fatale -- and this seems like it's going to be DePalma in his best dark, twisted mode.<br><br>He stopped by the Edinburgh film festival recently, and made some interesting remarks, including these from notes taken by a blogger in the audience:<br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>- He is disappointed by the state of contemporary American cinema but he has faith in the indie scene (he named Wes Anderson and Alexander Payne)<br>- though he seemed to be disappointed by the lack of politics in these movies and said that it is probably because of the censorship that US media practises - that they're not properly informed on the war, etc. He also appreciates European cinema.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>The Black Dahlia</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->:<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2831/1262/1600/Dahlia2.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2831/1262/1600/Dahlia1.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Hollywoodland

Postby Dreams End » Tue Aug 29, 2006 10:41 pm

Hugh, have you actually seen Hollywoodland? And am I correct (to the others who actually know what the movie is about) that there's some parapolitics around Reeves death that might be of interest here? I'll be curious to learn more about it.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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The Black Dahlia

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The Black Dahlia

Postby Ouish » Tue Aug 29, 2006 10:45 pm

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Re: Hollywoodland

Postby Sepka » Wed Aug 30, 2006 12:29 am

"Demonizing Hollywood" seems a curious accusation from you, Hugh. I'd thought you to be of the opinion that Hollywood was a propaganda mill in the service of evil.<br><br> <p>-Sepka the Space Weasel</p><i></i>
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Re: Demonizing Hollywood

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Wed Aug 30, 2006 3:03 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I'd thought you to be of the opinion that Hollywood was a propaganda mill in the service of evil.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Just like the supposedly liberal press, Hollywood's crimes are cooked up at the management level, not at the actor level.<br><br>Journalists are more liberal than average (used to be anyway) but editors and publishers call the shots. Same with movies.<br><br>But actors and actresses get lots of mass attention and have the potential to go all 'humanist' and anti-war like Jane Fonda.<br><br>So the theme of Hollywood as a den of iniquity is routinely re-charged to keep the in-landers who despise 'artsy elitists' from ever considering actors anyone we should actually listen to as people. <br><br>Cultural creatives, actors, and artists must remain amusing and a good reason to spend money on their products but not to be emulated in any way as human beings.<br><br>Thus their corporate-CIA-mogul-manufactured money-producing selves are validated at the same time the real person is discredited to prevent 'problems' like Jane Fonda, Sean Penn, or the Dixie Chicks.<br><br>This is why Tom Cruise got shown as 'that kooky Scientologist' recently (which of course he is) even though he's used as a Top Gun/Mission Impossible recruiter. <br><br>Can't have too much power so a credibility escape mechanism is generated to prevent it.<br><br>This movie, 'Hollywoodland,' was originally going to be called 'Truth, Justice, and the American Way' after the opening motto of the 1950s Cold War Superman TV series. Atleast according to this 2004 article-<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://movies.about.com/od/brodyadrien/a/truthab092204.htm">movies.about.com/od/brody...092204.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>"Superman" TV star George Reeves' story comes to life in "Truth, Justice and the American Way," written by Paul Bernbaum. According to Variety, the film will deal with the investigation into Reeves' mysterious death and Brody will portray the lead detective on the case. Filming is expected to star in early 2005.<br><br>SOURCE: Variety<br><br>* renamed "Hollywoodland"<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>There must be a reason that the changed title takes the focus off of the old Superman and puts it squarely on 'Hollywoodland' which is an implied derogative like 'La-La Land' and is meant to be said with a distancing bemused smirk.<br><br>And the discrediting of woman is a constant goal of the National inSecurity State which always needs recruits.<br><br>Entertainment entertains by portraying values, identities, and behaviors in either a positive or negative light. That's how the undetected low-level radiation of social engineering works to create the malignancies of militarism, consumerism, and racism needed to conquer poor people in other countries.<br><br>War requires pumping up male status and preventing female status from suppressing the warrior by discrediting the female in the eyes of the male, just like the way actors and actresses are portrayed as good for one thing only, satisfying a base appetite.<br><br>That's background so now on to this movie.<br><br>Reeves murdered over a dame, hunh? Typical. Those broads just mess men up, right? You try to save the world from baddies and some woman like mom or wife or wicked girfriend hangs you up, dang!<br><br>Think it is a coincidence that one of the lead actresses has the last name of 'Lane'? And such a naughty character, too, messing up America's beloved hero Superman, I mean, Reeves.<br><br>Can you smell the heroes and anti-heroes (literally) in this interview below?<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://movies.about.com/od/mustlovedogs/a/dogsdl072105_2.htm">movies.about.com/od/mustl...2105_2.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Diane Lane on Her Character in “Truth, Justice, and the American Way:” “Her name is Toni Mannix and that is such a great name. I just can’t believe it wasn’t fictitious. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>It was a real woman named Toni Mannix and she was the paramour of George [Reeves]. She was the wife of the general manager of MGM, but in the ‘50s they found a way to make arrangements. George and she were a couple for nearly a decade. Quite a while, eight years.”</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>On Ben Affleck as George Reeves: “He’s great. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>It was interesting because it was right in that moment prior to he and Jennifer [Garner] getting married. He’s just so charming and so in love and so happy.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> I was just really happy for him because it’s a great role.<br><br>He had a really good time. I know he had a really good time delving into this character. The truth is stranger than fiction so we’re making this quasi-nonfiction movie. We’re telling the various possible scenarios of what occurred there. This guy had three autopsies performed on him so that’s why it behooves a movie to be made about his story.”<br><br>Does “Truth, Justice, and the American Way” Solve the Mystery of Reeves’ Death?: “I think it’s left up to the audience to form [an opinion], which I think is much more interesting. Even us as actors were going, <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>‘Do you really think she arranged for him to be killed? I mean, come on.’</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> So and so saying this and various people, some saying he did kill himself but then why would he arrange his life in such a way right before doing it? It doesn’t seem like an off the cuff decision.”<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Killer dames, hunh? Best just join up and be protected by your fellow soldiers who'll watch your back.<br><br>I mean, we guys hafta stick together, right?<br><br>Hey, wait a minute. If she (Tony Mannix) was the wife of the general manager of MGM, why isn't he the prime suspect? <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=hughmanateewins>Hugh Manatee Wins</A> at: 8/30/06 1:54 am<br></i>
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Re: Demonizing Hollywood

Postby Gouda » Wed Aug 30, 2006 4:55 am

David Lynch on filming <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Inland Empire</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.variety.com/index.asp?layout=cannes2005&content=story&articleid=VR1117922566">www.variety.com/index.asp...1117922566</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>"Making a film is a beautiful mystery," Lynch says. "You go deep into the wood, and you don't want to come out of that wood, but the time is coming very soon when I will have to."<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> Robert Frost? <br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>The woods are lovely, dark and deep,<br>But I have promises to keep<br>And miles to go before I sleep...</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>***<br><br>And this from an extra on the set:<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>What I can gather is that it's a Twin Peaks-like mystery about a woman that dissapears near the San Gab mountains.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.darkhorizons.com/news05/050816c.php">www.darkhorizons.com/news05/050816c.php</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Picnic at Hanging Rock? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Demonizing Hollywood

Postby Dreams End » Wed Aug 30, 2006 8:52 am

Hugh,<br><br>Why don't you see a movie first and then tell us what the message is. That's how a lot of people do it. Like, you know, everyone else. <br><br>By the way, Hollywood used to be called Hollywoodland. Here's the famous sign (shortened to Hollywwod in 1949)<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.beachwoodcanyon.org/Hollywoodland_1920s_beau_3x5.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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