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Posted: **Thu Jul 20, 2006 8:06 pm**

I'm a casual reader of Greenwald and I generally think he's pretty good as far as he goes and stuff, though he's not the most electrifying blogger out there by any means. But he's driving these rightwing bloggers just batshit crazy. They're making absolute fools of themselves with this stuff. What is it about Glenn as opposed to other liberal bloggers that drives these people crazy like this? I don't think it's just because he catalogs reich wing rhetoric. A bunch of other bloggers do that too. <a href="http://www.thepoorman.net/2006/07/19/keep-it-up" target="top">www.thepoorman.net/2006/07/19/keep-it-up</a> <a href="http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2006/07/response-to-right-wing-personal.html" target="top">glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2006/07/response-to-right-wing-personal.html</a> Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=newkid@rigorousintuition>NewKid</A> at: 7/20/06 6:07 pm

Posted: **Thu Jul 20, 2006 8:16 pm**

Mirrors have a way of doing that to people. Greenwald holds up a mirror to the right that reflects back to them their racism. They see that reflection and project Glen Greenwald onto it. It is their own self hatred they see and react to. This works both ways of course.

Posted: **Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:30 pm**

...then this is one instance where self-hatred is warranted. If only it actually led to self-change.

Posted: **Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:51 pm**

Glenn has been nailing their asses to the wall with their lies, cultish Bush worship, death threats to liberals, judges and journalists, and overall stupidity. They are not used to getting called on their atrocious behavior, what with Malkin and Glenn Reynolds as well as others getting national spotlights on Hardball, CNN and Fox, without being challenged. Worse, he does it with laser like analysis of their own words, which they cannot deny. They are desperately trying to hold on to what razor thin credibility they have by attacking him personally over his sexual orientation, (saying he is closeted when he's not, etc.) lying about his career, misrepresenting his words. Right now on one of the threads, they are accusing him of sock puppetry, for God's sake.

Posted: **Fri Jul 21, 2006 1:54 am**

Glenn Greenwald nails the True Believer Bush Rightists on their own self-contradictions and hypocrisies like no one else out there. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=robertdreed>robertdreed</A> at: 7/20/06 11:55 pm

Posted: **Fri Jul 21, 2006 1:58 am**

He does not say neo-cons, or righties, or fundies, or fascists, or any of that. He consistently calls them "Bush followers". It is the most subtle, yet devatating slam of all when used to describe them consistently as he does. Bush follower. Think of it. Dear god, what a horrible insult. It is as accurate a label and as descriptively encapsulating as an epithet to protray all the worst of ameriKans which I could ever come up with in my vast arsenal of epithets. Bush follower. I mean jesus god, what a devastating insult.

Posted: **Fri Jul 21, 2006 2:03 am**

Some of that commentary is so good that I think it will go down in history, verbatim. Historian-professional journalist quality blogging. To me, it comprises an authentic demonstration of what it means to speak Truth as Power, to knock down the Power of Usurping Lies. When Glenn Greenwald lays it down about the Bush adminstration and its cultists, it stays there. His comments are so carefully thought out and free of cheap shots or partisan rancor that he leaves his adversaries with no way to counterpoint him effectively. All they can do is stamp their feet through the floor like a horde of angry trolls. Because he is dead right about them. And that is what they cannot stand. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=robertdreed>robertdreed</A> at: 7/21/06 1:26 am

Posted: **Fri Jul 21, 2006 2:14 am**

Jung had a saying that I like: <blockquote>Quote:<hr>When you show someone their shadow, you show them their light.<hr></blockquote> To truly change takes courage, you have to step through that door. No one can do this for anyone else. At best, all we can do is point to the door but they have to take that first step. It's not so bad. The only reason I know this is because I have been there and I am sure that is true for many people here. It hurts and it's painfull and that is something to bear in mind. But it is also a choice not to go through the door. Things always seem to come down to that. Another thing, it seems to me that those who cause the most chaos and trouble in this world are those who make the choice not go through that door. To stay in their shadow. Looking at what I wrote... I sound kind of preachy. I'm not trying to, I'm just trying to put my experience into a few words so I don't have to type so darn much. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)">

Posted: **Fri Jul 21, 2006 2:17 am**

To me, he simply speaks their own language very persuasively to condemn them. And that makes them even more insane than they already are.

Posted: **Fri Jul 21, 2006 2:29 am**

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>To truly change takes courage, you have to step through that door. No one can do this for anyone else. At best, all we can do is point to the door but they have to take that first step. It's not so bad. The only reason I know this is because I have been there and I am sure that is true for many people here. It hurts and it's painfull and that is something to bear in mind. But it is also a choice not to go through the door. Things always seem to come down to that. Another thing, it seems to me that those who cause the most chaos and trouble in this world are those who make the choice not go through that door. To stay in their shadow. Looking at what I wrote... I sound kind of preachy.<hr></blockquote> No, not preachy at all. You got it. For some people, the pain is simply unbearable. <a href="http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2006/07/i_condemn_this_.html" target="top">www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2006/07/i_condemn_this_.html</a> <a href="http://ace.mu.nu/archives/186658.php" target="top">ace.mu.nu/archives/186658.php</a> <a href="http://www.nicedoggie.net/2006/?p=1078" target="top">www.nicedoggie.net/2006/?p=1078</a> Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=newkid@rigorousintuition>NewKid</A> at: 7/21/06 12:31 am

Posted: **Fri Jul 21, 2006 2:48 am**

I have been there too. One of the most radical things that anyone can do is to honestly review their thoughts and actions and change their mind on a topic. But it is key to curing Cognitive Dissonance Syndrome. And Cognitive Dissonance Syndrome is a chronic degenerative disease. It may not kill you- although it might. But it will always diminish you. People limit themselves by refusing to assimilate new facts, however uncomfortable they may seem to be. Clinging to misconceptions based on self-deceit, fraud, lies, or obsolete ideas is always worse. When you have to go back to the drawing board, do it. Even if it means you have to toss out a lot of what you thought you knew. Not doing so is sort of like making a wrong turn and getting lost, insisting that everything is fine, and not wanting to look at a map, even when you have one handy. Ego pride. Tends to be a bigger problem with males. I found out some time ago what a phony trap that is. At times there is no way to ever learn anything or to chart the right course unless you acknowledge that you are going the wrong way, first. What is weird is what happens after that...a huge weight lifts from your shoulders. A moment of clarity. A euphoria that no phony ego stubbornness can provide. But if you are like me, you have to know that the mental change was something you accomplished yourself, for yourself. There is one particular Bush follower I know, we used to share a car when I was a cab driver. He used to be the day shift driver. I have always wished that he would simply consider that in moral terms, the person he has put his trust in as a leader is not fit to carry his dirty laundry, or to empty his trash. I have not seen him lately. Maybe he has finally gotten that idea through his self-admittedly thick skull. It is often said about Bush followers that they are dumb, or stupid. Well, sometimes. But I think a bigger problem among the Bush loyalist rank and file is that they are insecure about their own intelligence. Therefore, they prefer people who flatter them about it, to people who challenge it or dispute it, which they tend to confuse with disparagement. (It does not help when actual disparagement gets thrown into the mix. Once you begin accusing someone of being too stupid to agree with you, etc., the possibility of making headway through debate is over. This is true whether or not the characterization is accurate. ) That is one of the keys to the rise and enduring popularity of Rush Limbaugh and his imitators- what being a "confidence man" is all about. They constantly stroke their core audience about their intelligence while feeding them spurious nonsense, meanwhile reminding them about how "liberals" condescend to them. For all of his fraudulently selective employment of facts and evidence, his con-man games with logic, and his straw-man pontifications, Rush is not all wrong about that condescension. A key mistake of the Kerry campaign, for instance, was to attempt to make it a test of "smart voters" voting for the "smart" candidate versus "dumb voters" voting for the "dumb" candidate. ( Perhaps THE key mistake...if it was a mistake, that is ;^0 ) It should have been about honesty and character...but Kerry and his people went out of their way to decline to make that an issue, incidentally leaving the Bush campaign to get off the first volley on that score. And that was that. It did not help matters that Kerry did- and does- come off like such a phony-liberal careerist, a typical DLC apparatchik. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=robertdreed>robertdreed</A> at: 7/21/06 1:17 am

Posted: **Fri Jul 21, 2006 9:24 am**

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Some of that commentary is so good that I think it will go down in history, verbatim. Historian-professional journalist quality blogging. To me, it comprises an authentic demonstration of what it means to speak Truth as Power, to knock down the Power of Usurping Lies. When Glenn Greenwald lays it down about the Bush adminstration and its cultists, it stays there. His comments are so carefully thought out and free of cheap shots or partisan rancor that he leaves his adversaries with no way to counterpoint him effectively. All they can do is stamp their feet through the floor like a horde of angry trolls.<hr></blockquote> So true. Unlike other bloggers, he refrains completely from spurious name-calling. Very refreshing. And deadly effective. Robert, have you read his book How Would a Patriot Act? Devastating indictment of the lawlessness of the Bush Administration.

Posted: **Sun Jul 23, 2006 2:30 am**

Pretty good piece here on Neocon mental state and propaganda efforts. <a href="http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2006/07/neoconservatism-and-white-house-still.html" target="top">glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2006/07/neoconservatism-and-white-house-still.html</a> These people just pull their hair out without an enemy. That's why they went so bonkers over Clinton in the 90s. They got richer than they could have ever imagined. But it's never enough. In the end, it's not even about geopolitics or money. They need to annihilate someone. It's like a drug. <a href="http://www.mises.org/story/1539" target="top">www.mises.org/story/1539</a> <a href="http://www.opendemocracy.net/debates/article-3-77-1542.jsp" target="top">www.opendemocracy.net/debates/article-3-77-1542.jsp</a> <a href="http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/machan11.html" target="top">www.lewrockwell.com/orig/machan11.html</a> Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=newkid@rigorousintuition>NewKid</A> at: 7/23/06 12:38 am

Posted: **Sun Jul 23, 2006 2:47 am**

A truism that might shed a little light into the neocon mindset here is "Suicides are angry and want to destroy the world by destroying themselves. Sociopaths are self loathing and want to destroy themselves by killing everyone else." That is, sociopaths see themselves reflected in everyone else and they hate themselves so much they are driven to extinguish their reflection in others. When such a person sees someone else behave in a way that they disapprove of, like enjoying something they consider sinfull, it immediately reminds them of the harsh discipline or outright abuse they got as a child for the same things. They are filled with hate and rage at their abuser but there is a problem, it is not permitted to even talk back to much less rebel against their father (or father object). So they stuff their rage and it builds until it comes out on the people around them. Anger is always circumstantial. Rage is always historical.

Posted: **Sun Jul 23, 2006 3:07 am**

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Unlike other bloggers, he refrains completely from spurious name-calling. Very refreshing. And deadly effective.<hr></blockquote> Hey, Jeff's a class act, too! <img src="http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/images/smiles/party.gif" style="border:0;"/> I'm actually a pretty foul-mouthed bastard for the most part; I aspire to better behavior amongst you guys(and gals) here. One thing that drives me bannanas at places like DU is just how easy most members there decay into reveling in other people's misfortunes(republicans, specifically), or even using freeper tactics. I mean, that kinda petty shit just reminds me of the Fox and the Grapes. Embittered by a perceived sense of futility, many fall back on ad hominem attacks and pettiness for a warped sense of relief. That kinda crap's gotta go. They all sound like sore losers, and I hate being lumped in with that kind of mentaility. ____________________ Oderint, dum metuantEdited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=etinarcadiaego@rigorousintuition>et in Arcadia ego</A> <IMG HEIGHT=10 WIDTH=10 SRC="http://www.sickle666.com/images/Arcadia.jpg" BORDER=0> at: 7/23/06 2:06 am

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