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Postby Dreams End » Thu Aug 24, 2006 8:57 pm

and I'm getting tired of it.<br><br>Big nationwide day of protest "The World Can't Wait". If you've been paying attention, you know that such catchy titles are hallmarks of demos led by the "Revolutionary communist Party". And since I feel certain they are bought and paid for by the FBI, I get really frustrated. <br><br>I learned of this particular rally from my local peace and justice list in Nashville.<br><br>Which has also brought recent news of a new Peak Oil Nashville Group, a new Director who is likely an MC victim still actively controlled (pure speculation and I could get into it if people want...) whose own website features the penetrating analysis of the times in his epic "This War is Entirely for Israel" (agree if you want...that is NOT characteristic of left analysis).<br><br>And also an invitation to view "Loose Change" from another activist.<br><br>Debate the value of all of those if you want...this post is to vent to those who understand why I find all of this disheartening and really don't even know how I should respond if at all.<br><br>Anyway <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://worldcantwait.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogsection&id=20&Itemid=223">here</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> is a link to the "World Can't Wait" rally. I can't take the position that people shouldn't go. And many of the signers on the call for the day are not at all affiliated with RCP and are people I admire to one degree or another.<br><br>But I also feel like people should understand about Cointelpro...especially the very deep cointelpro that RCP represent. <br><br>It's really worse than ANSWER in some ways....as RCP, in my experience, tend to simply be provocateurs. It is my feeling (without definitive proof but with familiarity of their approach and their graffiti) that they were at work during the Rodney King riots. Don't get me wrong...I was in downtown L.A. protesting the night of the verdict and helped a group bring one of L.A.'s freeways to a halt. <br><br>And it's not the "communist" part...the difference between them and the old CPUSA or various socialist organizations is immense, though I must admit that all of them have likely been infiltrated (Not least SWP ==>WWP==>ANSWER and Ramsey...short hand for those who've been playing the home edition of the game.)<br><br>It's not the Revolutionary part either...it's the FBI part, and I'd put more money on them than any other group as being state sponsored.<br><br>Those who want to applaud Loose Change and Peak Oil...well, I guess this is an open forum, but I really posted this for those who have the same perspective on all this as I do. I feel I should say something but I really don't know if I should even bother. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: The controlled left

Postby Dreams End » Fri Aug 25, 2006 1:43 am

No emergency here....just a quandary. <p></p><i></i>
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The controlled left are obsessive about their mechanistic

Postby yesferatu » Fri Aug 25, 2006 2:44 am

view of the world.<br><br>The controlled left (or as Jeff described them, the Amy Goodman-progressives) are obsessed with the idea that life is a bitch and then you die. Before dying you rail at the grim mechanistic world. They are infatuated with their thoughts as much as the fundie right are with theirs. <br>The mechanistic universe is their precious nihilistic prism, and it is why you find the classic debunkers of everything which falls outside mechanism to come from this background.<br>It is easy to be controlled as they are by dint of the lemming nature of their stunted understanding. Gullibility runs deep on both sides of right and left. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: The controlled left are obsessive about their mechanisti

Postby Rigorous Intuition » Fri Aug 25, 2006 2:56 am

Thanks yesferatu, that's very well said. I wasn't precise enough in my description.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Postby smithtalk » Fri Aug 25, 2006 3:38 am

The controlled left (or as Jeff described them, the Amy Goodman-progressives) are obsessed with the idea that life is a bitch and then you die. Before dying you rail at the grim mechanistic world. They are infatuated with their thoughts as much as the fundie right are with theirs.<br>The mechanistic universe is their precious nihilistic prism, and it is why you find the classic debunkers of everything which falls outside mechanism to come from this background.<br>It is easy to be controlled as they are by dint of the lemming nature of their stunted understanding. Gullibility runs deep on both sides of right and left.<br><br>i have some real issues with this response yesfer,<br>i dont think these people are railing against the grim mechanistic world,<br>i think for a start, the range of philosophical worldviews would be huge at those sort of gatherings, i know many pessimistic christian people who put well intentioned work into fighting what they see as injustice,<br>i know many optimistic atheists/mechanists who do the same,<br>your use of the term 'they' is absurd, broad swathes of the population charcterised as limited lemmings,<br>a lot feel that events like this have little active value but dont know any better way to show opposition or solidarity,<br><br>and what the hell are 'the classic debunkers of everything'?<br><br>looking about at the visible world and concluding there is no underlying meaning is perfectly reasonable,<br>it doesnt necassarily make someone see the world as grim and it doesnt necassarily lead to brainwashing and misguided actions<br><br>theres bloody good evidence to support a mechanistic universe in theory, and scant evidence to support a super natural one, the trick is to keep and open mind and a discerning eye, <br>once youve fallen for the trap of pontificating on the stupidity of everyone else your mind is shut<br>theres a smugness of discourse sometimes here,<br>'just look at those ignorant folks, if only they all knew what we know'<br>and i think its just another form of brainwashing<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: issues

Postby Uncle Scam » Fri Aug 25, 2006 3:59 am

The controlled left indeed, the following is as about as clear as I have ever heard it explained and I thought it resonated with what I already suspected. You might too...<br><br>Behold the <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>The ratchet effect</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->:<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.smithbowen.net/linfame/stopme/chapter02.html">www.smithbowen.net/linfam...ter02.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>The American political system, since at least 1968, has been operating like a ratchet, and both parties -- Republicans and Democrats -- play crucial, mutually reinforcing roles in its operation.<br><br>The electoral ratchet permits movement only in the rightward direction. The Republican role is fairly clear; the Republicans apply the torque that rotates the thing rightward.<br><br>The Democrats' role is a little less obvious. The Democrats are the pawl. They don't resist the rightward movement -- they let it happen -- but whenever the rightward force slackens momentarily, for whatever reason, the Democrats click into place and keep the machine from rotating back to the left. <br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: issues

Postby Gouda » Fri Aug 25, 2006 5:10 am

Got any "Ghost Troops" working the Nashville peace and revolution circles, DE? <br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.lonestaricon.com/absolutenm/anmviewer.asp?a=402&z=52">www.lonestaricon.com/abso...a=402&z=52</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.lonestaricon.com/absolutenm/articlefiles/402-mayknees.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br>The Crawford (Texas) Peace House and the <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Iconoclast</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> have had the privilage of entertaining Captain May's art of info-war peace salesmanship. Capt. May, former Army intelligence and public affairs officer, "did a bit of writing for Ken Lay", and was quickly baptised by two Jesuits at the Sagrado Corazon church of El Paso in an "emergency" ceremony since it is likely that May’s mission of conscience against the Bush administration would end in his assassination. Capt May is also an expert in predicating future false flag terror attacks. On 911, he opines: "To say that there has not been a conspiracy is to be a Bush apologist and nothing more. Clearly, there has been a conspiracy." Because "every level of my background allowed me to see just how deeply engaged that the Bush Administration had become in distorting the war and manipulating the people...The dark side had taken over." better late than never, I guess. <br><br>What can Ghost Troops do for your peace movement?<br><br>"In our scouting capacity, we’re a military intelligence unit; in our raiding capacity, we’re a public affairs unit. Those are my two Army officer specialties, and I’ve made them our two unit specialties – another case of falling back on my military training. We very much use military concepts. Ghost Troop is an organized info-war force. It’s a citizens’ militia comprised of dedicated activists, and led by professional leaders...<br><br>"We have three years of experience that has been proved correct, so our work pretty much stands for itself nowadays. We have a reputation in our community for integrity. We’re never working an angle; we’re never pushing an agenda. We’re after the truth, pure and simple. It’s our job to give timely intelligence to our commanders – the American people." <p></p><i></i>
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Re: issues

Postby bvonahsen » Fri Aug 25, 2006 5:24 am

Materialism is the handmaiden of Christianity, the one implies the other as surely as Capitalism implies Communism. Opposites can only exist in contrast to one another, they cannot exist singly, on their own any more than a mountain can exist without it's valley.<br><br>Me, I reject all ideologies and have since high school. To live within an ideology like libertarian or progressive or whatever, is to live in a box.<br><br>To create something truely new you have to step outside of your frame of reference, outside of everything you've ever known.<br><br>Frankly, words like 'left' or 'right' have lost their meaning. They have been so twisted and distorted as to have lost any real significance to our daily lives. We need a new language, new terms. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: issues

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Fri Aug 25, 2006 5:53 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>we are indeed, imo, in a race between education and catastrophe, and our very lives are at stake.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Dead on. And still people get upset when I say that becoming informed and passing it on is a moral imperative. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: issues

Postby havanagilla » Fri Aug 25, 2006 8:41 am

if the president of the org is victim of MC it is no use to attack him, but those who sent him and abused him (or her ?). a victim of MC (controlled individual) might actually be in synch with the goals of the controlled org, in order that the "match" comes natural to him. DE might want to send that person to a psych ward, or kill them, hoping this will solve the problem of democracy. I doubt those in power have shortage in methods and victims to pursue the work of undoing the "left" or what's left of the left. when controlled subjects are elected in orgs or positions, where the handling ptb wants them to be, it means there are already in force, other control mechanisms over that org. Usually, the controlled person is the least significant factor, and would later be disposed of, or made to be a scapegoat, for the higher corruption and cooptation which will eventually take over the org, or destroy it. if the FBI planted an MC victim in a peace org, it means that there are already other, non controlled, fully aware individuals who set theur eyes on the that org and other political gains from that situation. MC victims are what they are, usually short term fall guys, who serve as camouflage (and later scapegoats) for more sophisticated, and fully compensated, players. OR, the MC victim could be planted to later discredit the org as "being coopted" or "straw" for the gov. If people buy that, as DE seems to do, that's they own fault. The situation is more simple. The establishment is working to dismantle dissent, and they have many powers and means to do it, the most successful one is distraction (headlines, scoops, drama) and the other is sawing mistrust and hatred, among dissidents, so they undermine their own cause. if you get into their game (start playing private spies on your own) you can close the shop, because you have lost. even if you score "discoveries" of scams, you lost the war, the political BIG war, over public opinion and change. this might happen eventually with the 911, the truth may surface eventually, but it has worn out the opposition and allowed the establishment to take lead in shaping the future interpretation and response to these "earthquakes". NOt saying to stop doing it, cause you seem to be hypnotized by it, but, bear in mind that once you turn against other victims of oppression, you lost everything.<br><br>Better for each one to mind your business, do your work, and help people who are victimized by the powers you deem oppressive. that's enough. witch hunts lead to defeat. the establishment ALWAYS has more time, personnel, to engage in sabotage and bureaucratic wars, plots, and conspiracies to the point that the gist of the protest dies from fatigue.<br><br><br><br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: The controlled left

Postby wordspeak » Fri Aug 25, 2006 9:16 am

How can you turn your frustration into effective action, DE? And I ask myself the same question. Is targeting/challenging/raising awareness of the "controlled Left" a good approach? I think it is.<br><br>Good book I just read and passed on: "Foundations and Public Policy: The Mask of Pluralism" by Joan Roelofs. shows the influence of foundations such as the Ford and Schumann in creating an astroturf Left. <br><br>Tonight I go on our local college radio station for two and a half hours (on a friend's show) talking about this stuff. just a fun, no-pressure, off-season thing, and I'm not 100% ready to really rock it solo publicly yet, but maybe others in this conversation are more ready. Can we articulate what's wrong with the Left, and have vision and inspiration in there? delivering the right information with the right energy, so that it's accepted? I bet a lot of us could do a better job than we think.<br>Then record what you said, or save what you wrote! And post it online, or re-play it on the radio! <p></p><i></i>
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apocalypse how?

Postby dude h homeslice ix » Fri Aug 25, 2006 9:48 am

<!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.lonestaricon.com/absolutenm/articlefiles/402-may1.jpg"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br><br>hmmm...looks like robert duvall, talks like marlon brando... <p></p><i></i>
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Re: apocalypse how?

Postby Dreams End » Fri Aug 25, 2006 10:33 am

I guess I should be clear...I AM a leftist...<br><br>I don't think you have to be a pure materialist, but Marx had a lot right. For example, our society in large part does tend to be organized in a way that mirrors, protects and promotes the economic system at its heart while the rhetoric of a country is often simply designed to hide that fact.<br><br>I'm not one of those suggesting that there's a single force controlling every aspect of both sides......I think that's disempowering...and if its true, lets find something else to do with our time, we can't fight THAT level of power.<br><br>Also, I wasn't talking here so much about the "gatekeepers" though that's part of it. I was thinking more, in this post, about active control...as in agents of the government infiltrating and shaping various movements. The gatekeeper phenomenon is real...just not what I was thinking of at that moment. <br><br>The "World Can't Wait" thing...go check out the web page...see who has signed. And yet it's all RCP, people that most aware people on the left would normally not sign on with. (I will save the process of figuring out that "World Can't Wait" = RCP as an exercise for the reader. You'll need to know the names Larry Everest and Bob Avakian.)<br><br>My problem is that this has all come on very suddenly. Just a couple months ago we start getting the Peak Oil stuff...organization, website, etc. The first post in that regard was about how Peak Oil was the reason that oil companies were making obscene profits, but it wasn't their fault...blah blah. Poor oilcos...they're doing the best they can...<br><br>The Loose Change business came from someone I know and like...he's not an agent, but it's a little weird..<br><br>I don't want to simply "attack". I wrote a little about Peak Oil one time, before, ironically, the peak oil group started and got a little response.<br><br>And then when the new guy was selected as the director of the Peace and Justice Center, in a process that many complained was unfair, I got worried....<br><br>Well, first I got excited because initial descriptions seemed cool. The original debate was about how he was a "black radical anarchist" and I thought that sounded like a nice change from the more traditional liberal approach. <br><br>Then I found his "This was is all for Israel" article. And then I looked at his bio. Here it is, just for the record, here is the bit of his bio that makes me think he's definitely "controlled". This is from his own website, but the general facts about the hijacking are true:<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>In the wake of the urban Black rebellions that rocked the U.S. after the assassination of Dr. Martin Luther King in the Spring of 1968, an attempt was made to frame Ervin on weapons charges and for planning to kill a local Klan leader. In order to escape prosecution in these charges Ervin hijacked a plane to Cuba in February 1969. It was while in Cuba and later in the then-Republic of Czechoslovakia, that he first became disillusioned with state socialism, recognizing it as dictatorship period, not the "dictatorship of the proletariat" as various Communist governments claimed. In Prague (the Czechoslovak capital), Ervin was betrayed to U.S. officials by pro-CIA elements left over from the Dubcek regime shortly after the Soviet invasion of the country. Briefly captured and held at the American Consulate, he fled to East Berlin where he was kidnapped by a special team of by American and West German special agents sent to recapture him. He was drugged and tortured during interrogation in the basement of the U.S. Consulate for almost a week, and after almost dying from this mistreatment, he was illegally brought back to the USA where it was falsely announced by the State department and the FBI in a press conference that he had "turned himself in" at JFK airport.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm10.showAddReplyScreenFromWeb?topicID=5798.topic&index=13">link</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>AS for ghost warriors...I admire them! Yes yes! When intelligence operatives ANNOUNCE TO THE WORLD that this is what they are and are still able to infiltrate a movement, my ten gallon hat must go off to them. No "leftist trappings", no tie die, but a guy right out of central casting...and still he gets this coverage? <br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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