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Postby professorpan » Thu Aug 31, 2006 3:10 pm

"Today we live in a society in which spurious realities are manufactured<br>by the media, by governments, by big corporations, by religious groups,<br>political groups...So I ask, in my writing, What is real? Because<br>unceasingly we are bombarded with pseudo-realities manufactured by very<br>sophisticated people using very sophisticated electronic mechanisms. I<br>do not distrust their motives; I distrust their power. They have a lot<br>of it. And it is an astonishing power: that of creating whole universes,<br>universes of the mind. I ought to know. I do the same thing."<br><br>-- Philip K. Dick (197<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START 8) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/glasses.gif ALT="8)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: PK Dick quote

Postby bvonahsen » Thu Aug 31, 2006 3:17 pm

More PK Dick quotes:<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Drug misuse is not a disease, it is a decision, like the decision to step out in front of a moving car. You would call that not a disease but an error of judgment.<br><br>Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.<br><br>Reality is whatever refuses to go away when I stop believing in it.<br><br>Science fiction writers, I am sorry to say, really do not know anything. We can't talk about science, because our knowledge of it is limited and unofficial, and usually our fiction is dreadful.<br><br>The basic tool for the manipulation of reality is the manipulation of words. If you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use the words.<br><br>The trouble with being educated is that it takes a long time; it uses up the better part of your life and when you are finished what you know is that you would have benefited more by going into banking.<br><br>This, to me, is the ultimately heroic trait of ordinary people; they say no to the tyrant and they calmly take the consequences of this resistance.<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: PK Dick quote

Postby orz » Thu Aug 31, 2006 7:44 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>The precept system in a sense is overpercieving, is presenting the self portion of the brain too much. The cognative process, then, in particular the judging, reflecting frontal lobe, cannot encompass what it has been given, and for it - for the person - the world becomes mysterious. No-name entities or aspects begin to appear, and, since the person does not know what they are - that is, what they're called or what they mean - he cannot communicate with other persons about them. This breakdown of verbal communication is the fatal index that somewhere down the line the person is experiencing reality in a way too altered to fit into his or her own prior worldview and too radical to allow empathic linkage with other persons.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: PK Dick quote

Postby Dreams End » Thu Aug 31, 2006 8:30 pm

Best PK Dick book for new reader? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: PK Dick quote

Postby dugoboy » Thu Aug 31, 2006 8:33 pm

"When I despair, I remember that all through history the ways of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end they always fall. Think of it - always." - Mahatma Gandhi <p>___________________________________________<br>"BUSHCO aren't incompetent...they are COMPLICIT." -Me<br><br>"Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. The third time it's enemy action." - Ian Fleming<br><br>"Speaking the Truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act" -George Orwell</p><i></i>
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re: Phil

Postby juno jones » Thu Aug 31, 2006 9:46 pm

"The purpose of killing the leading political figures in the United States by assasination, alledgedly by screwed-up loners, was to get Ferris F. Fremont elected. It was the only way. He could not effectively compete. Despite his aggressive campaigns, he bordered on the worthless. Some years ago one of his aides must have pointed this out to him. "If you're going to get to the White House, Ferris," the aide must have said,"you've got to kill everyone else first." Taking him literally, Ferris Fremont did so, starting in 1963 and working his way forward..."<br>...Radio Free Albemuth, published posthumously in 1985. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: PK Dick quote

Postby jingofever » Thu Aug 31, 2006 9:58 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Best PK Dick book for new reader?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>The first one I read was "Valis". I remembered reading it was a good one to start with but when I looked back (after I purchased it), they actually recommended not starting with it. I think it is his best work though and recommend that it be your first. <p></p><i></i>
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Best PK Dick book for new reader?

Postby anotherdrew » Thu Aug 31, 2006 10:48 pm

The Man in the High Castle<br>or Simulacra<br><br>Save the last three for later on after you're more familair with his style. but I can't recomend any Dick books without also plugging the great John Brunner, especially The Shockwave Rider, Stand on Zanzibar, and The Sheep Look Up. <p></p><i></i>
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recommended

Postby orz » Fri Sep 01, 2006 7:38 pm

- VALIS (and Radio Free Albemuth which is related in many ways and feels terrifyingly close to reality these days)<br>- The Man in the High Castle<br>- A Scanner Darkly (should be easy to find what with the movie being out)<br>- The Divine Invasion<br>- Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep<br>etc<br><br>Also his volumes of short stories are a good introduction I think... <p></p><i></i>
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The essential difference ?

Postby slimmouse » Fri Sep 01, 2006 7:54 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Today we live in a society in which spurious realities are manufactured<br>by the media, by governments, by big corporations, by religious groups,<br>political groups...So I ask, in my writing, What is real? Because<br>unceasingly we are bombarded with pseudo-realities manufactured by very<br>sophisticated people using very sophisticated electronic mechanisms. I<br>do not distrust their motives; I distrust their power. They have a lot<br>of it. And it is an astonishing power: that of creating whole universes,<br>universes of the mind. I ought to know. I do the same thing."<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><br> Thanks Proff.<br><br> The essential difference is of course that "they" understand all of this, whereas 'we' out of what is , generally speaking indifferent indignance, and calculated deception don't.<br><br> Not that any of this matters a single Iota in the really long term.<br><br> We are told to ignore the whole 'Stupidity' of the Ancients, ley lines, the Gaia principle, and all the rest of it.<br><br> Anyone know where Prince Charles was on the April 21st equinox ?<br><br> Anyone know where Blair takes regular holidays ?<br><br> Anyone know the significance of the date of the Bohemia Grove gathering ?<br><br> Too fucking funny. <p></p><i></i>
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Best PKD books

Postby robertdreed » Sat Sep 02, 2006 5:50 pm

Haven't read all of them, but my favorites:<br><br>The Man In The High Castle<br><br>The Three Stigmata Of Palmer Eldritch<br><br>A Scanner, Darkly <p></p><i></i>
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Re: PK Dick quote

Postby Baron Zanoni » Sat Sep 02, 2006 6:14 pm

c.1978 Exegesis by Philip K. Dick<br><br>         The belief that we are pluriforms of God voluntarily descended to this prison world, voluntarily losing our memory, identity and supernatural powers (faculties), all of which can be regained through anamnesis (or, sometimes, the mystical conjunction), is one of the most radical religious views known in the West. But it is known. It is regarded as the Great Blasphemy: replication of the original sin mentioned in the First Book of Adam and Eve and in Genesis. For this pride and aspiration (we are told by orthodoxy) our original fall and exile and punishment, our being taken from our home the gardenland and put into the prison, was inflicted on us. "They wish to be equal to - like - us," the Elohim say, and toss us down. Yet I have reason to believe that this, "the Great Satanic Blasphemy," is true.<br><br>         First, we are here voluntarily. We did not sin and we were not punished; we elected to descend. Why? To infuse the divine into the lowest strata of creation in order to halt its decomposing - the sinking of its lower realm. This points to a primordial crisis in creation in the total macrocosm (hexagram 12, as illustrated here). The yin form two (dark, deterministic) part was splitting away from the yang or form one. In conventional terms, heaven (upper realm) and earth (lower realm) were separating, carrying the lives within the lower away from their form one (upper) counterparts (this can be viewed as the Godhead itself falling apart, into its yang and yin two halves, with the lower form universe as God expressed physically in time and space). The solution was for the divine (yang, light, form one) to follow the lower realm down, permeating it and thus reuniting the cosmos into one totality. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: PKD online

Postby phineas » Mon Sep 04, 2006 12:08 am

Here is a link to Phil's "How to Build a Universe That Doesn't Fall Apart Two Days Later" on line.<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://downlode.org/etext/how_to_build.html" target="top">downlode.org/etext/how_to_build.html</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>It's the source of the "What is real?" quote above, and this:<br><br>"...I live near Disneyland, and they are always adding new rides and destroying old ones. Disneyland is an evolving organism. For years they had the Lincoln Simulacrum, like Lincoln himself, was only a temporary form which matter and energy take and then lose. The same is true of each of us, like it or not. <br><br>"The pre-Socratic Greek philosopher Parmenides taught that the only things that are real are things which never change... and the pre-Socratic Greek philosopher Heraclitus taught that everything changes. If you superimpose their two views, you get this result: Nothing is real..."<br><br><br>............<br><br><br>btw, If you haven't checked it out, you should- the huge free e-text (downloadable) library at Project Gutenberg.<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.gutenberg.org/catalog/" target="top">www.gutenberg.org/catalog/</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: PK Dick quote from Baron

Postby darkbeforedawn » Mon Sep 04, 2006 12:18 am

Is this a direct quote or a summary? Whichever-- it is awesome. This really makes sense to me and also puts Christianity (which on the surface is completely whacked) into perspective? God sends his "only son" to "die" for us?? By really stretching the world view synopsis you describe we see how they-meaning the Christian "fathers" came up with that mind boggleing absurd story line. <p></p><i></i>
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PKD letters-

Postby phineas » Mon Sep 04, 2006 2:06 am

Tonight I came across some letters Phil wrote to a 15 year-old girl one month before he died- she was an aspireing writer and they exchanged letters.<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.philipkdickfans.com/articles/hummel.htm" target="top">www.philipkdickfans.com/articles/hummel.htm</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>(synch: in the last January letter he mentions a book he's working on entitled "The Owl in Daylight", and in the February letter he talks about his favorite bands and writers, one of which is Hunter Thompson....)<br><br>anyway, I thought some here might be interested.<br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>onward, through the fog</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> <p></p><i></i>
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