John Loftus in FOX Credibility Row

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Re: John Loftus in FOX Credibility Row

Postby dbeach » Sat Aug 27, 2005 10:34 pm

John buchanan also did bush/nazi story that broke in the NH Gazette in 03 as prescott bush nazi..<br><br>cloak and dagger is now saying that buchanan is in with the clintons whom of course are in with kerry and in with bush and the 9/11 treasons.<br><br>VERY STRANGE that 2 guys who exposed bush/nazi connections are being debunked...<br><br>I SMELL ROVER but just a guess..<br><br>But the cloak boys are usually on message with the clinton/kerry/bush connections<br><br>Boston had repuke acting gov jane swift when 9/11 hit..she replaced the other repuke who got the canada ambassadorship...KEEP EM IN CANADA..<br><br>BUt the brains behind these 2 is the king blue blood named gov willie weld who tore up MASS and moved on..NOW maybe they used swift who is anything but swift for cover as they had their role in preplanning of 9/11 <br><br>the elites are slick at passing the power baton..<br><br>also knew that joe kennedy had nazi stock but thats a little different than being a NAZI agent like prescott bush and being investiagtaed by congress in 1941 and ordered to stop dealing with fritzie thulsen but did not and the mess weare in is cuz of bush and maybe killing JFK was cuz his papahad that lil enough nazi connection..bush is not gonna leave ANY WITNESSES ALIVE!!<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Got a link for cloak and dagger, dbeach???

Postby Seventhson » Sat Aug 27, 2005 10:50 pm

as for elizabeth Loftus -<br><br>I still have not seen confirmation that she is John's wife (and haven't looked very far) but found this link which has some interesting info.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://faculty.washington.edu/eloftus/">faculty.washington.edu/eloftus/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><br>I emailed Loftus to ask if he thought he might have been set up by his PNAC and Fox "friends".<br><br>I also spoke extensively with Buchanan during his trials and run for prez and doubt seriously if he is anyone's agent.<br><br>He WOULD be a very likely Rove innoculation stooge though as he is admittedly manic depressive/bipolar and kind of went ballistic off his meds whn the Bush-nazi story was at its peak.<br><br>So a link to the stories on Buchanan at claok and dagger (who ARE they) would be appreciated.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Got a link for cloak and dagger, dbeach???

Postby dbeach » Sat Aug 27, 2005 11:18 pm

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.cloakanddagger.de/">www.cloakanddagger.de/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>archives have been down for a long time..maybe up next wk??<br><br>can't find the show but Tom Hennigan said John buchanan is clinton insider...<br>I WAS SHOCKED cuz buchanan had prescott bush nazi story.. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: John Loftus in FOX Credibility Row

Postby Dreams End » Sat Aug 27, 2005 11:30 pm

According to this link, Elizabeth's husband is named Geoffrey Loftus.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.dushkin.com/connectext/psy/ch07/bio7a.mhtml">www.dushkin.com/connectex...io7a.mhtml</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br> <!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Elizabeth Loftus is professor of psychology at the University of Washington. She has written several books with her husband, Geoffrey Loftus. Her interests continue to focus on understanding how human memory is shaped by perception and experience.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Indeed, a search of Amazon confirms this...a book on memory and a textbook on statistics.<br><br>This link says that Geoffrey Loftus, a psychologist at U of Washington, is her EX husband:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.loftusweb.com/lizpsyc.htm">www.loftusweb.com/lizpsyc.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Take a look at this excerpt for a little insight into "Beth"<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>Though Beth Loftus is gregarious, warm, and (as one friend states) "always seems to be on a high without the aid of chemical infusion" she burst into tears twice in the first 20 minutes of our interview. We'd walked a few blocks back to her home from her favorite morning haunt, the Surrogate Hostess, pausing outside to lament with a neighbor over Loftus's "schizophrenic" tree, which wasn't growing properly. Her home is on a hill, comfortably furnished, with an eye for open space. Upstairs a loftlike, open-air bedroom offers a spectacular view of Lake Washington, set off with floor-to-ceiling bookshelves. Out in the garage is a cream-color sporty Mercedes, a quiet testament to the kind of money that can be earned as an expert witness (up to $ 400 an hour).<br><br>After a few minutes of chitchat, I asked her about her mother's death by drowning when Loftus was 14. I was particularly curious because of an amazing anecdote she tells in her book: On her 44th birthday, at a family gathering, an uncle informed her that she had been the one to discover her mother's dead body. Until then, she remembered little about the death itself, suddenly the memories began to drift back, clear and vivid. A few days later her brother called to say her uncle realized he'd made a mistake, that Loftus's aunt had found the body, not Loftus. Therefore, those few days of "recovered" memories were utterly false. "My own experiment had inadvertently been performed on me!" she had written. "I was left with a sense wonder at the inherent credulity of even my skeptical mind." But when I asked about her mother, she began to cry.<br><br>"It's too upsetting to start this way, I think. Couldn't we come back to this later?"<br><br>I steered the conversation to her early career, and we began looking through her photograph albums. We paused over an old picture of her ex-husband, Geoffrey Loftus, who is also a psychologist at the University of Washington. (They are still friends, though he has remarried.) He was on a motorcycle: dark and sensual, a kind of gentle echo of James Dean. Loftus began to cry again. "He was beautiful, wasn't he?'<br><br>A Next to that photo was one of Loftus lying on a towel under the motorcycle, in a miniskirt and ribbed cotton stockings, hair dark and long. Two sexier academics would be hard to find. "I wasn't really fixing the motorcycle, just pretending to," she confided. "But I showed these on the overhead when I introduced him at a meeting of the American Psychiological Society."<br><br>She quickly dried her tears, and explained without embarrassment that she has a hard time hiding her emotion around two subjects: her ex and her mother. "I was in an old abandoned castle in Holland with other memory scientists from around the world, and we were being taped for television. Somewhere in the middle of this the interviewer brought up my mother and I started crying. You know, it's with you forever. My brothers tease me, they say, Don't say the word or Beth will cry.'"<br><br>There is still family speculation about whether her mother's death was a suicide, and just how much her father's emotional coldness might have contributed to it. At 14, just before her mother died, Loftus was happy-go-lucky and boy-mad. But there was a dark undertow: her mother had earlier been sent away to treat her depression.<br><br>"Today, July 10, 59, was the most tragic day of my life," Loftus confided in her diary. "We woke up this morning and...found her in the swimming pool."<br><br>Grief and loss are common enough: Loftus keeps it alive, yet channels it unremittingly into "helper's high." "I miss the idea of having a mother, so I've gone around being a mother." When a friend lost both her sons and mentioned over coffee that she was contemplating suicide, Loftus naturally began to cry and talked to her for several hours, convincing her to remain alive for her only daughter. (The friend's husband confirmed to me that the woman never considered suicide again).<br><br>Her mother's death also drives her involvement with the shattered families she encounters. At 8:45 one morning I found her in her office, talking to a woman from Boise, Idaho, who had seen her on a talk show and called out of the blue. The woman was in hysterics: she claimed she'd had psychotic breakdowns as a result of repressed memories of childhood abuse. Loftus listened sympathetically for 20 minutes, located a Boise therapist on her computer, and suggested the woman use her name as an introduction. (Ever the researcher, she also took notes on her computer as she listened.)<br><br>Such generosity of heart is startling in someone who, ultimately, puts devotion to her work first. In fact, Loftus freely admits that it was her love of work that broke up her marriage. "I did not realize what a workaholic I was going to become." She is clearly and unabashedly sad over separating from Geoff, but at the same time "proud that my marriage lasted as long as it did, 23 years. I'm very proud of that."<br><br><br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>We need to be careful. this only took me about five minutes to find...yet this little non-fact could discredit any article which links John and Elizabeth. Maybe they're siblings or something...but I've found no confirmation. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: John Loftus in FOX Credibility Row

Postby dbeach » Sat Aug 27, 2005 11:39 pm

stew webb site has ticker tape news about <br>clinton/john buchanan connections to poppy bush.<br><br>but I can't copy paste it?/.very brief .<br><br>BUT I heard it on cloakandndagger.de from tom hennigen.. <p></p><i></i>
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Motherf'ker!

Postby proldic » Sun Aug 28, 2005 9:36 am

<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Not</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> his wife?<br><br>Which one is it guys? <br> <br>It makes a BIG difference to me. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Motherf'ker!

Postby Dreams End » Sun Aug 28, 2005 1:30 pm

Quite clearly, John Loftus is not the husband of Elizabeth Loftus, so you can ignore that possibility when evaluating John Loftus. I think the links I provided are pretty clear on this point. Could John be a brother or something? I suppose. Couldn't find the name of her brothers, though she does have some. <p></p><i></i>
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My email from John Loftus

Postby Seventhson » Mon Aug 29, 2005 1:00 am

To:----------<br><br>Fr: John Loftus<br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em><br>I am heartsick about this and have apologized to the Vorick family profusely. I take full and complete responsibility. I rarely make mistakes but this was clearly one of them.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> <br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: My email from John Loftus

Postby Dreams End » Mon Aug 29, 2005 1:09 am

Yeah...but about that idea of announcing an address in the first place.... <p></p><i></i>
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