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Clarke wants terrorists treated like victims of cult bra

Postby emad » Sun Oct 02, 2005 12:03 pm

Clarke wants terrorists treated like victims of cult brainwashing<br><br>(Filed: 02/10/2005)<br><br>Charles Clarke is studying proposals to combat Islamic terrorist groups by treating them as religious cults.<br><br><br><br>The Home Secretary has told colleagues that anti-brainwashing techniques used to "deprogramme" cult members could be employed to fight the sort of fanaticism behind the July 7 bombings.<br><br>"What we know about other religious cults may offer some insight into how these men ended up behaving in this appalling way," he said last night.<br><br>He believes that there is no point in seeing extreme Islamists in the "classic" mould of revolutionaries fighting for a political cause. A closer parallel is with recruits to cults, who often come from educated backgrounds and are "brainwashed" into renouncing society.<br><br>One example, he said, was Mohammed Atta, the leader of the September 11 hijackers, who was an architecture graduate. Mohammed Sidique Khan, one of the London bombers, was a classroom assistant in Leeds and was married with a baby daughter.<br><br>The Home Secretary cited the work of Inform, an organisation specialising in cults, which emphasises the need to perceive how victims of brainwashing see their circumstances.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/10/02/ncult02.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/10/02/ixhome.html">www.telegraph.co.uk/news/...xhome.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <br> <br> <br> <br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Clarke wants terrorists treated like victims of cult br

Postby israelirealities » Sun Oct 02, 2005 12:08 pm

I think it makes sense. It should also apply to other classes of people I can think of. Its a huge step forward if people start realizing the prevalence MC and brainwashing to create the "terrorist=suicidal subjectivity", mainly in our region, the Middle East. Applying this method, universally in the proper events, may actually lead to the perps, higher up and hold them accountable. The terrorist mind is being investigated extensively by western pseudo scientists, but their purpose it seems is to immitate the methods and perfect their own. <br> <p></p><i></i>
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Rand Institute: Al-Qaeda is a Cult

Postby proldic » Sun Oct 02, 2005 12:14 pm

HindustanTimes August 10, 2005:<br><br>Rand study: Al-Qaeda 'New Religious Movements'<br><br>A US-based think tank has clubbed the RSS with Al-Qaeda and some other groups as examples of 'New Religious Movements'.<br><br>"NRMs (New Religious Movements) can be found in Hinduism -- the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh or RSS, Israel (Gush Emunim), Christianity (the US-based Identity Movement) and Islam, including Al-Qaeda, a global network with a transcendant vision that draws support in the defence of Islam," a new Rand study said.<br><br>"Sometimes referred to as cults, NRMs have two defining characteristics -- a high degree of tension between the group and its surrounding society and a high degree of control exercised by leaders over their members," the study said.<br><br>"While most are not violent, a few have engaged in ritualised acts of mass suicide and homicide. Notable examples include Heaven's Gate, the Branch Davidians and Aum Shinrikyo."<br><br>The Rand study suggested that Al-Qaeda cannot be defeated by force, but only by reaching out to its roots in religion and promoting convergence of Christianity and Islam.<br><br>Among possible conditions under which NRMs resort to violence, said Rand, two stand out -- if the group or movement feels threatened from the outside, by society or the government and if it has young, inexperienced leaders that resort to violence when threatened either from inside or outside the movement.<br><br>Therefore, a government's policies with regard to an NRM, if perceived as threatening, could prompt the group to resort to violence, it said.<br><br>This new approach suggesting the need to defeat Al-Qaeda by means other than violence is suggested by Rand in an analysis it conducted on contract for Secretary of Defence Donald Rumsfeld, the Joint Staff, the Unified Commands, the defence agencies, the Department of the Navy, the US intelligence community, allied governments and foundations.<br><br>"No major religion," said Rand, "has been, or is today, a stranger to violence from its extremists, and that violence will pose challenges for US foreign policy and for the analysts who seek to inform that policy."<br><br>New Religious Movements or NRMs have also emerged as sources of violence, it said. "Yet Islamic extremists are now in a class by themselves as a threat to the United States, as a transnational, non-state movement with the chance to appeal to a billion and a half people."<br><br>Mark Juergensmeyer's concept of "cosmic war," said Rand, provides a useful conceptual framework for examining the larger-than-life confrontations that religious extremists are engaged in today. This concept refers to the metaphysical battle between the forces of Good and Evil that enlivens the religious imagination and compels violent action.<br><br>Acts of terror in a cosmic war, said Rand, are seen as evocations of a larger spiritual confrontation between Good and Evil. "In the Middle East and other parts of the Muslim world where the battle for the soul of Islam continues, Islamists and Al-Qaeda's networks have placed their struggle against secularism, perceived western domination, and the United States, in a cosmic context."...<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1507203,000900010002.htm">www.hindustantimes.com/ne...010002.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Rand Institute: Al-Qaeda is a Cult

Postby Dreams End » Sun Oct 02, 2005 12:46 pm

that'll be interesting. people in the west wing of the Rand Institute will be programming these guys and the guys on the other side of the building will be deprogramming them. I feel safer now. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Rand Institute: Al-Qaeda is a Cult

Postby dbeach » Sun Oct 02, 2005 12:55 pm

better hide my love beads and candles <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Rand Institute: Al-Qaeda is a Cult

Postby * » Sun Oct 02, 2005 1:47 pm

<br> This is very bad. Considered in conjunction with the draconion <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Mental Healthâ„¢</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> initiatives recently instituted in the US and Britain, we're all a heartbeat away from the old Soviet-style <br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4301340.stm">mental hospital (sic).</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: offbeat

Postby ZeroHaven » Sun Oct 02, 2005 3:18 pm

darn, I clicked curious about the "cult bra"..<br><br>so, how are the US military recruitment efforts proceeding? <p><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a239/ZeroHaven/tinhat.gif"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--></p><i></i>
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Re: offbeat

Postby israelirealities » Sun Oct 02, 2005 3:35 pm

This might sound like another "medicalization" of people's behavior, which is something I don't condone. However, having lived in Israel, long enough, I know how the government creates assassins, both jewish and arab, for their devious "divide and rule" plans. The point is not to treat those people clinically as survivors of cult, but<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong> legally</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->. Namely, people who serve as guns at the hands of invisible perps, can be exculpated. This way, the scams, by which these "crazy assassins" are taking the blame, will be less tempting for the government to use. <br> <p></p><i></i>
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