What seems to be at issue amongst the liberal professors on this list is that the loyalty pledge seems like another form of McCarthyism, hence the "just like 1954" subject line in DW's first post.<br><br>Someone responded with this, as a point of historical reference: <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/uchistory/archives_exhibits/loyaltyoath/symposium/" target="top">50th anniversary symposium of the University Loyalty Oath </a><!--EZCODE LINK END-->. Here is a snippet from that site:<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>In 1949, during the Cold War, the Board of Regents of the University of California imposed a requirement that all University employees sign an oath affirming not only loyalty to the state constitution, but a denial of membership or belief in organizations (including Communist organizations) advocating overthrow of the United States government. Many faculty, students, and employees resisted the oath for violating principles of shared governance, academic freedom, and tenure. In the summer of 1950, thirty-one "non-signer" professors--including internationally distinguished scholars, not one of whom had been charged of professional unfitness or personal disloyalty--and many other UC employees were dismissed. The controversy raised critical questions for American higher education.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Deja vu all over again?<br><br>Subsequent reponses were equally interesting. Some professors counted themselves lucky not to be part of the public school system. Others said they "crossed their fingers and signed."<br><br>One suggested DW swear the oath because "as as been shown historically, over and over again, God doesn't a hoot about perjuries."<br><br>One felt that the oath meant they could be called up for military service. Others felt the oath was meant to "limit [DW's] constitutional rights to free speech."<br><br>Several, who were posting from Canada and points abroad, advised DW to emigrate.<br><br>One person, AG, said she signed because: "In my own mind, I reserved the right to consider that the defending the constitution was a higher calling than defending the government (at least the particular administration in power at the time) and that it was possible that opposing the government was indeed defending the constitution."<br><br>DW reponds to her: "In my 2-hour crash course on the legality of loyalty oaths, this seems to be the consensus -- the state can make you proclaim allegiance to the Constitution, but allegiance to the government has to be clearly spelled out or it is non-binding and generally unconstitutional. I honestly don't object to defending and upholding the Constitution, but taking an unconstitutional oath doesn't seem like to right way to go about it. [In the morning I am going to] call my lawyer and see if he knows any good civil rights attorneys."<br><br>Another wrote: "The question is, are you a government employee? If your school is a public institution, they can require this and, it could be argued, they should require this. If you don't like it, find another job."<br><br>RW wrote: "It happened to me in Florida. I had to sign one (may have been slightly different wording) when I got my UNF job in 1989. As I told DW, I just gritted my teeth, crossed my fingers, and signed."<br><br>FYI: The Florida statute regarding this can be seen here:<br>http://tinyurl.com/brjxl<br>Another, missing the point entirely, wrote: "You could probably successfully challenge the 'so help me God' part of it."<br><br>This one was funny: "Well, nothing like this exists (yet) in 'backward' Kansas!"<br><br>This person advised DW call the ACLU:<br><br>"I think this is unmitigated B.S. and you should call the ACLU about it.This is exactly the kind of baloney they're so good at taking to the mat and getting governmental agencies tonked for. I'm sure you're not the only state employee with reservations about this blanket oath 'requirement'. Feh." <br><br>My favorite response was this one, an actual job ad posted on the AAA network (American Anthropology Association). (Frankly, I knew it would be a matter of time before the alphabet agencies started recruiting social scientists to join the [cough] war on terror.)<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Anthropologists, Sociologists, and Psychologists in Washington, D.C. <br><br>Salary: $74,000 - $135,000<br>Type: Full Time <br><br>Central Intelligence Agency Directorate of Intelligence The CIA's Directorate of Intelligence (DI) is actively seeking Anthropologists, Sociologists, and Psychologists to assess psychological, social, organizational, and contextual factors affecting the functioning of political, terrorist and criminal groups, as well as societies' responses to medical crises such as pandemics and mass migration.<br><br>Working closely with other analysts throughout the Intelligence Community (IC), intelligence collectors worldwide, and social science experts in academia, you will produce papers and briefings delivered directly to senior policy-makers and military commands. Maintaining and broadening your professional ties through continuing education and attendance at professional meetings is encouraged, and you may pursue and be sponsored for additional studies in fields relevant to your area of responsibility. This career presents opportunities for foreign and domestic travel, language training, analytic and management training, and assignments in other offices within the Agency and the IC. Positions are located in the Washington, DC metropolitan area with salaries ranging from $74,000-135,000 (GS-13, 14, 15), depending on expertise and experience. . Minimum requirements include a PhD from an accredited university in a relevant academic program, at least 5 years of experience in post-doc independent practice or research, and excellent communications skills. The ability to formulate and convey complex concepts to a lay audience clearly, concisely, and rapidly, and to adjust presentations to different formats, consumers, and purposes, is also required. Additionally, you must show a high tolerance for ambiguity, a track record of making reasoned judgments based on incomplete or unconfirmed data, and comfort working under deadline pressure as part of a multidisciplinary team with regular peer review. For more information and to apply online, visit
www.cia.gov. Click on "CIA Careers" in the left margin to explore Analytical and Psychological/Psychiatric Analyst positions. All applicants must successfully complete a thorough medical and psychological exam, a polygraph interview and an extensive background investigation. US citizenship is required. An equal opportunity employer and a drug-free work force. THE WORK OF A NATION. THE CENTER OF INTELLIGENCE.<br><br>Requirements:<br>Minimum requirements include a PhD from an accredited university in a relevant academic program, at least 5 years of experience in post-doc independent practice or research, and excellent communications skills. The ability to formulate and convey complex concepts to a lay audience clearly, concisely, and rapidly, and to adjust presentations to different formats, consumers, and purposes, is also required. Additionally, you must show a high tolerance for ambiguity, a track record of making reasoned judgments based on incomplete or unconfirmed data, and comfort working under deadline pressure as part of a multidisciplinary team with regular peer review. <br><br>Required Education: Doctorate<br><br>NOTES: (GS-13, 14, 15), depending on expertise and experience. <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>It turns out that the professor who originated the discussion thread, 'Like 1954', has a blog up, and has written about the loyalty pledge extensively. In case some of you might want to read his own words go here: <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://savageminds.org/" target="top">savageminds.org/</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>Interesting to read responses from academic liberals, who are feeling especially challenged in BushCo's Amerika.<br><br>Cheers, Morgan <p></p><i></i>