Military Quarantine *Coming soon to a US city near you!*

by **rain** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 11:40 pm

I'm wondering, did it have pictures and LARGE type, and was he holding it the right-way-up ?

by **GDN01** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 11:41 pm

and did it have a goat in it?

by **morganwolf** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 9:51 am

Hi GDN - You are correct. There is currently no vaccine for Avian Influenze A (H5N1). The public doesn't seem to realize that the flu vaccine they would receive will not prevent them from contracting the A H5N1 strain. (There are drugs that can be administered, post exposure, mostly for health care workers and researchers.) Although there is evidence that the avian flu has crossed the species barrier, that doesn't mean a world-wide pandemic is close at hand. It bears watching, and more research. The current 'bird flu' panic spread by the MSM helps only one group: the pharmaceutical industry, especially manufacturers of Tamiflu and Relenza (Roche and GlaxoSmithKline). It goes without saying that $$$ bucks are now being channeled toward making a vaccine, which may become mandatory. So, martial law is an important aspect of the scheme. It will no longer be your choice because TPTB will claim it's a preventive measure against an impending pandemic. So this thread's purpose, which is to discuss a possible military quarantine, has far more sinister aspects. You want to keep an eye on Bill Frist and the legislation he's pushing - he's got the authority of an MD and that, in politics, can be wildly abused. See, in particular: <a href="http://www.vaclib.org/legal/s3.htm" target="top">Senate Bill 3 gives government a license to kill us all</a> The vaccines themselves are highly suspect for many reasons, not for their monetary value, but their potential lethality. Vaccinations are one way to: a) kill off large numbers of people who either contract the virus in the flu, or who die from the side effect of the virus (reaction to the chemical preservatives, for example, which are mercury based and have not changed in 50 years) b) inject small microchips along with the vaccine, which is one way to monitor and control the population. You can read more about it at these links: <a href="http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/2005/03/02/bird_flu_sars_biowarfare_or_a_pandemic_of_propaganda.htm" target="top">'Bird Flu', SARS - Biowarfare or a Pandemic of Propaganda?</a> Vaccine Dangers: <a href="http://educate-yourself.org/vcd/" target="top">educate-yourself.org/vcd/</a> Vaccine Liberation: <a href="http://www.vaclib.org/" target="top">www.vaclib.org/</a> Some background news/links, fyi: Vaccine News Updates: <blockquote>Quote:<hr> October 4, 2005 - <a href="http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,16806742^2702,00.html" target="top">Bird flu vaccine trials to begin</a> - The Australian - "The first of 400 Australian volunteers are expected to start receiving shots of a prototype bird flu vaccine this week as the guinea pigs in a scientific race to plug gaps in the world's defences against a pandemic...Approval for the clinical trial of the vaccine, to be held in Melbourne and Adelaide, was granted on Friday and gives the green light for 200 volunteers to be recruited in each city." <hr></blockquote> <blockquote>Quote:<hr>October 4, 2005 - <a href="http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory?id=1183856" target="top">Bush Considers Military Role in Flu Fight</a> - President Bush Raises Notion of Using Military to Quarantine Areas Where Avian Flu Breaks Out - AP via ABC News - "Dr. Irwin Redlener, associate dean of Columbia University's Mailman School of Public Health and director of its National Center for Disaster Preparedness, called the president's suggestion an 'extraordinarily draconian measure' that would be unnecessary if the nation had built the capability for rapid vaccine production, ensured a large supply of anti-virals like Tamiflu, and not allowed the degradation of the public health system...'The translation of this is marshal law in the United States,' Redlener said."<hr></blockquote> <blockquote>Quote:<hr>October 3, 2005 - <a href="http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=31445" target="top">GenoMed's WNV Treatment May Work for Avian Influenza</a> - Medical News Today - "GenoMed announced today that the course of action announced recently by President Bush to combat avian influenza is likely to be an expensive mistake, and that the company has a safe, low-cost alternative... President Bush announced yesterday that the US has already purchased $100 million worth of a vaccine from Sanofi-Pasteur, a division of the European drug giant Sanofi-Aventis. Sanofi-Pasteur's vaccine is weak, requiring two doses of 90 micrograms to raise antibody titers. Good vaccines usually are effective at doses of only a few micrograms."<hr></blockquote> Cheers, Morgan

by **Dreams End** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 10:06 am

If they have plans to use avian flu to ratchet up the martial law, then we may safely assume that avian flu will cross the species barrier. There must be some limits, however, to how far they can take this. Unless the plan is to actually kill people off with this flu (which I don't rule out), having widespread quarantines would shoot whatever is left of the economy. On the other hand, I suppose, if the flu breaks at just the right time, I guess they could use the quarantines while they start war in Iran or whatever. But you can't quarantine a whole country for too long for simply practical reasons. My CNN RSS feed had the bird flu speech as a headline. They are definitely pushing the idea.

by **Morgan Wolf** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 10:14 am

Dreams End, On the most basic level, I see the 'bird flu' hysteria as another kind of domestic terror tactic. The purpose is to scare the hell out of people. To keep them scared, numbed out, in line so they're too busy to care about what their government is doing. Also, people will begin to see the government as their own personal Jesus (BB). Cheers, Morgan Wolf

by **Dreams End** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 10:17 am

Here's a CNN article of criticism of the bird flu martial law plan: <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/10/05/bush.reax/index.html">www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS...index.html</a> Looks to me like CNN is actually AGAINST this plan. How do I know? Look at the picture they used of Bush: <img src="http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2005/POLITICS/10/05/bush.reax/story.bush.tue.ap.jpg" style="border:0;"/> So that's a little bit reassuring. I guess. Check out how Bush uses Katrina to justify this policy. Back when they were actively preventing aid from getting to victims, many, including on this board, bought the whole "incompetence" theory of why it was screwing up. But look what happened. Aid was not getting through, but then, live, with lots of tv cameras, in comes the Army and a General with the very name of Honor saves the day. Nagin called him a "John Wayne dude"...nothing happened till he took over. So now, we've "learned our lesson" from Katrina. What is that lesson? In times of national emergency, even the non-terrorist variety, the only solution is military control. Bush is stupid. The men he works for aren't. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=dreamsend@rigorousintuition>Dreams End</A> at: 10/5/05 8:20 am

by **chiggerbit** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 10:28 am

Like I said, DE, I'd sure like to know who assigned him to read the book. That name would tell much.

by **Morgan Wolf** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 11:04 am

Dreams End, Gawd what a mug. Ask not at whom the chimp smirks - he smirks at thee. I'd say your assessment of CNN is accurate. They're slowing moving away from the Faux News model. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>So now, we've "learned our lesson" from Katrina. What is that lesson? In times of national emergency, even the non-terrorist variety, the only solution is military control. Bush is stupid. The men he works for aren't.<hr></blockquote> Yes, precisely. Chigger: We all know Bush doesn't read. Can't read. His summer reading list was just a story; his handlers had a laugh peddling it. I'm not at all sure he's even aware that the public thinks he just read a book on the Spanish Flu. What he doesn't know, etc. As DE said, the 'men' he works for ain't stupid. Cheers, Morgan

by **professorpan** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 12:47 pm

I think maybe the book Bush is reading is Stephen King's "The Stand": <a href="http://www.charm.net/~profpan/2005/10/bush-military-may-have-to-help-if-bird.html">www.charm.net/~profpan/20...-bird.html</a> Ever since I read that book as a kid, I've felt that it was very prescient. Damn if it doesn't seem like King is some kind of prophet when I listen to all the HN51 "scenarios." One word of advice: If bird flu begins wiping out civilization, don't follow the faceless walking dude in Las Vegas. The old black woman playing the guitar on her porch in Kansas is where it's at. Trust me. Cue: "Don't Fear the Reaper" by Blue Oyster Cult.

by **Ted the dog** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 1:51 pm

I second the CNN assessment...I noticed that too. also, did you notice this: "I think the president ought to have all options on the table," Bush said, then corrected himself, "all assets on the table -- to be able to deal with something this significant." the other articles don't seem to note that he corrected himself.

by **banned** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 11:23 pm

There are 2 things going on here, one is the powers Bush already possesses that will affect our lives in the event of a 'pandemic' (of undoubtedly genetically altered organisms released according to a coherent plan); the other is the power to call out the military. From what I understood, Bush already has the power to declare an emergency due to the pandemic, enforce quarantine including uprooting people from their homes, shoot them if you object, forcibly vaccinate you, etc., under Executive Orders. The use of the military signaling the end of Posse Comitatus is what Bush will need to deal with it if a significant number of people object to being herded together a la Katrina, vaccinated (with something more likely to kill than help them, or with microchips), forbidden under pain of death to leave, isolated from the media, etc. People are probably not going to be all that happy with gasoline heading for 4 bucks a gallon and, at least in California, natural gas set to double or triple heating bills. Cold, hungry after choosing to spend money on gas to go to work rather than food, the natives may get restless, and when they get told to leave their comfy home for the nearest sports stadium because they 'might' have the designer cootie. Some of the aggrieved are those who took their Second Amendment rights seriously hence will be armed, and might just pop unarmed FEMA bozos trying to herd them along. The Army hasn't been sending troops on exercises on urban riot control because the Tai Bo classes are full. Talk about the winter of our discontent.

by **PeterofLoneTree** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 11:35 pm

"One word of advice: If bird flu begins wiping out civilization, don't follow the faceless walking dude in Las Vegas. The old black woman playing the guitar on her porch in Kansas is where it's at. Trust me." -- professorpan I've always found it interesting that three of the main characters the Lord sent against Randall Flagg were a deaf-mute, a simpleton, and a 108-year-old black woman. Guess when the Big Guy's got an important job that he needs help with, he picks his finest warriors.

by **dbeach** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 11:46 pm

Busheviks are doing the classic guerilla warfare on the US middle class.probing the defenses..trying for harassment and some penetration but constantly regrouping and keeping the enemy guessing..wrapping himself in the flag and demonizing the resitance . Vety cleevr marketing. divide and conquer is their long plan but confusion and fear mongering are their easy tools. How to take a nation with minimum damage to the infra structure while removing most of the inhabitants..most done in the open but the heavy stuff will be secret til their final solution.. I really do not see the bush criminals stopping..Hitler coveted the USA as a prize dream AND bush has literally deliverd the prize to his masters and peers while smirking every step of the way.. We are going to know most soon enough..preparing for the worst and praying for the best. starvation has been used throughout history to control the masses. keep extra food,vitamins,water,batteries,blankets,money supplies in general..ect..been thinking of buying a generator..Basic type preparations

by **AnnaLivia** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 12:54 am

The prom committee thinks the pres could and should fight an outbreak by doing what dbeach just did, encouraging all americans to lay up extra supplies designed to keep them from having to go out for three weeks or so if something should hit in their area…and then promising to rescind tax cuts for the wealthy to guarantee (and fund) all in a quarantine area that they’ll get a paycheck while they can’t go to work. Make it possible for them to stay home, and they will. And a message from the bully pulpit would help stock the food banks so the most-deprived can stock up, too. There are plenty of better options than military control. minimization of threat it spreads out of control, if people just don’t congregate? Would it cost less than activating the military nationwide? How much panic prevented no matter what the threat might be, if all were encouraged to just be smart and have “a big blizzard’s worth” of supplies on hand? Yes, I myself have maybe a month’s supplies laid in. plenty of chicken soup. really didn’t cost that much at Aldi’s. (gotta get more water, though.) Thanks, morgan for the good info. No, no vaccination for me, and yes I see small relative threat from a virus…that isn’t being manipulated by human agency. But I do think they have the perfect way to commit the perfect crime, via a virus, if they decide to. And gawd nose I put nothing past them. yes, Ted...i caught that live. he said all options...then corrected himself. i wondered if anyone else noticed. "don't panic, but do prepare" seems like good advice to me.

by **glubglubglub** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 1:01 am

believe the hype...and don't believe a word until you you see the bodies...if this flu actually comes and they're all still kicking and telling you to stay in place it's probably better to go down fighting than to die from sickness. FWIW, flu season's coming up soon, but given the hype campaign for this thing I'm guessing they've discovered how far modern sanitation systems and public health infrastructure go in preventing 1918-like epidemics. I'm guessing here, but would not be surprised if the 1918 flu spread primarily by bad water technology (ie, dirty water everywhere), bad personal hygiene in the tenements, food contamination, ec., and only with great difficulty by casual contact...so thus with modern infrastructure whipping the virus up into a massive contagion wouldn't be more work than they bargained on. A similar but unrelated FWIW: if this stuff has been in the works for a while I wouldn't be surprised if much of the army's been inoculated, probably unknowingly...

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