REAL Gulags are open for business again!! Thanks to GWB!

[ARV]

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/01/AR2005110101644.html">www.washingtonpost.com/wp...01644.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>From the Washington Post:<br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>"The CIA has been hiding and interrogating some of its most important al Qaeda captives at a Soviet-era compound in Eastern Europe, according to U.S. and foreign officials familiar with the arrangement.<br><br>The secret facility is part of a covert prison system set up by the CIA nearly four years ago that at various times has included sites in eight countries, including Thailand, Afghanistan and several democracies in Eastern Europe, as well as a small center at the Guantanamo Bay prison in Cuba, according to current and former intelligence officials and diplomats from three continents.<br><br>The hidden global internment network is a central element in the CIA's unconventional war on terrorism. It depends on the cooperation of foreign intelligence services, and on keeping even basic information about the system secret from the public, foreign officials and nearly all members of Congress charged with overseeing the CIA's covert actions.<br><br>The existence and locations of the facilities -- referred to as "black sites" in classified White House, CIA, Justice Department and congressional documents -- are known to only a handful of officials in the United States and, usually, only to the president and a few top intelligence officers in each host country."</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br><br><br><br><br>The most interesing tidbit is this line:<br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>"The Washington Post is not publishing the names of the Eastern European countries involved in the covert program, at the request of senior U.S. officials. They argued that the disclosure might disrupt counterterrorism efforts in those countries and elsewhere and could make them targets of possible terrorist retaliation."</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br><br>So the opening statement declares that it is taking place in one country and the later statement pluralizes it. I wonder if the EU condones torture like the Bush Administration. I also wonder what is the Washington Post <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>really</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> trying to accomplish by witholding the names of the governments supporting these actions. <br><br>What is a Soviet-era gulag torturer supposed to do with himself after the fall of the Iron Curtain?<br> <br> <p></p><i></i>

[dbeach]

"What is a Soviet-era gulag torturer supposed to do with himself after the fall of the Iron Curtain?'<br><br>plenty of jobs for all criminals at the DHS just tell mickey big bro manyl dual citizens of USA and Isral who work int the illegal busehvik admin are spys..<br><br>Its called TREASON mr. chertoff <p></p><i></i>

[robertdreed]

Well, you know, slavery is freedom. That's why we're fighting a war on terrorism. Which is why we invaded Iraq. <p></p><i></i>

[pugzleyca3]

Yep this just figures, doesn't it. But just mention that there are camps here in the U.S.A. and people roll their eyeballs at you and point their finger to their temple behind your back. <br><br>There's no end to the arrogance of the people in power. <br><br>GWB will go down in history as a murdering thief, a liar, torturer and the treasonous bastard to this country that he is. These labels should be tatooed on his smirking face. <br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[israelirealities]

<!--EZCODE UNDERLINE START--><span style="text-decoration:underline">Uzbekistan</span><!--EZCODE UNDERLINE END--> ? Ukraine ?<br><br>just guessing...<br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=israelirealities@rigorousintuition>israelirealities</A> at: 11/2/05 1:48 am<br></i>

[pugzleyca3]

DHS is the Department of Homeland Security. <br><br>But as with all Bush double speak, you can call it "insecurity". <p></p><i></i>

[ARV]

This has been a 4 year old relationship. So it is likely to be a recent EU ascedant country...look towards Czech Republic, Slovakia, Poland, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, or Estonia. <br><br>Also, look towards countries where the governments are striving to get stonger relationships and entry into the EU-- Bulgaria, Romania, Albania and the Former Yugoslav Republics.<br><br>Moldavia, Belarus and Ukraine are or in the last 4 years were too closely allied to Putin--they probably already had secretive prison operations. <p></p><i></i>

[ARV]

...I'm thinking that it could be the Czech Republic, Poland, or Slovakia because they've had cordial relations with the Bush Administration.<br><br><br>There was a reference to Czech Republic in the NYT back in May:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/05/01/MNGE5CI9MO1.DTL">www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/ar...CI9MO1.DTL</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>

[israelirealities]

thanks I checked DHS in google...<br><br>I was just trying to guess according to the Israelis flying to places. Usually there is a correlation. Like before Gitmo - sudden surge in tourist <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>to the area</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->, same with Thailand (which also has a black prison there). Its harder with eastern Europe, because only Russian immigrants go there, and I don't know any. I know Israel-US have stuff going on in Uzbekistan and Israel has had a recent "romance" with the Ukraine. Poland and Hungary - good bets, coming to think of it. I think the ISraelis are like "sub contractors", or guards or interrogators. <br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[Connut]

was questioned about the concentration camps in America and replied "I can neither confirm nor deny that there are concentration camps in America ..." what a creepy bastard. <p></p><i></i>

[Ted the dog]

"Gonzales...was questioned about the concentration camps in America and replied "I can neither confirm nor deny that there are concentration camps in America ..." what a creepy bastard. "<br><br><br><br>Yeah...I kinda think Gonzalez is like a big cauldron of repressed sexual urges. <p></p><i></i>

[ARV]

The Times of London and Financial Times are speculating that it is Poland or Romania.<br><br>The interior ministries of Bulgaria, the Czech Republic, Hungary, and Slovakia quickly denied providing secret prisons. <br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,11069-1855381,00.html">www.timesonline.co.uk/art...81,00.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>From Times: <!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Hungary, Slovakia and Bulgaria rushed to issue denials of their involvement. But Frantisek Bublan, Interior Minister of the Czech Republic, said last night that the US had approached his Government a month ago about holding suspects on its territory, but Prague had refused.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Dana Priest of the Washington Post mentioned that the US had an agreement with multiple Eastern European democracies. Moreover, the only people in a position to know what was happening were heads of state, government, and intelligence. Therefore, ministries of defense and interior may have been kept in the dark. <br><br><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://news.ft.com/cms/s/86734122-4be9-11da-997b-0000779e2340.html">news.ft.com/cms/s/8673412...e2340.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>From FT: <!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Leszek Laszczak, spokesman for the Polish defence ministry, said: “No people suspected of terrorist activities were held in military bases on the territory of the Republic of Poland, either as a result of an agreement with the US government or with any other institutions of the US.”<br><br>A spokeswoman for Traian Basescu, Romanian president, declined to comment.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br> <p></p><i></i>

[pugzleyca3]

"Yeah...I kinda think Gonzalez is like a big cauldron of repressed sexual urges."<br><br>Ewwwwwww! I'm way too visual to be reading things like that! heh! <p></p><i></i>

[Qutb]

I bet they're employing Ceaucescu's old Securitate thugs to do the dirty business. <p></p><i></i>

[Byrne]

From an article here:<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.sundayherald.com/52461" target="top">www.sundayherald.com/52461</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Police to probe US ‘torture flights’ landing in Scotland</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>By Neil Mackay, Investigations Editor<br><br>SCOTTISH police are to launch an investigation into CIA “torture flights” which fly in and out of Glasgow and Prestwick airports, ferrying kidnapped war on terror suspects around the world.<br>The police action is a result of last week’s disturbing investigation by the Sunday Herald into the so-called “extraordinary rendition flights”, which see suspects kidnapped overseas by the CIA, drugged and then flown to “friendly” states, such as Egypt, Uzbekistan and Morocco, where they are tortured on behalf of British and American intelligence.<br><br>Following our reports , the Green Party wrote to the chief constable of Strathclyde Police, Sir William Rae, asking for a full inquiry into the torture flights. A police spokesperson confirmed that the force would now launch an investigation. <br><br>Last week, we revealed that the British government was to be sued by human rights lawyer Clive Stafford Smith for complicity in the torture of his client Benyam Mohammed al-Habashi.<br><br>Also exposed was the fact that international human rights experts and lawyers believe the UK is breaking the Geneva Conventions by collaborating with the USA on the transit of the flights through Britain.<br><br>Further, the UK allows British airports to be used for refuelling by the CIA’s jets ferrying suspects around the world. Glasgow and Prestwick airports are the two most favoured CIA stop-overs. <br><br>Chris Ballance, the Green Party MSP who represents the Prestwick area, said he lodged the complaint with Strathclyde Police after reading the Sunday Herald’s investigation because it appeared that “Scotland is complicit in these gross acts of torture”.<br><br>Craig Murray, former British ambassador to Uzbekistan, said : “Once these planes land on British soil, they have no immunity. If they touch down at a civilian airport they are under civilian jurisdiction. This would allow the police to do their job fully and to board the plane and question those on board.”<br><br>Beyond saying that an investigation would take place, Strathclyde Police said it could not comment on how the inquiry would proceed.<br><br>The CIA refused categorically to comment. <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>One CIA official merely laughed when told that Scottish police were to investigate</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--></em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->. <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>that CIA official should have <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>HIS</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> head dumped in a bucket full of shit<br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>