Do you mind being wiretapped?

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Do you mind being wiretapped?

Postby Oilwellian » Sat May 27, 2006 7:18 pm

Do you care about civil liberties? Does our Constitution still matter to you? Does it bother you that Bush believes anything he does as president is legal?<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.pbs.org/now/polls/poll-220.html">www.pbs.org/now/polls/poll-220.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><br>(I want my country back!)<br><br><!--EZCODE EMOTICON START >: --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/mad.gif ALT=">:"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Do you mind being wiretapped?

Postby pugzleyca3 » Sat May 27, 2006 8:52 pm

Hell yes, I mind. I voted. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Do you mind being wiretapped?

Postby Oilwellian » Thu Jun 01, 2006 2:59 pm

But did your vote count?<br><br>really?<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Do you mind being wiretapped?

Postby nomo » Thu Jun 01, 2006 3:00 pm

Hmm. 91 percent <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>does </strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->mind? I wonder what they have to hide. (Good thing they're under surveillance!) <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Do you mind being wiretapped?

Postby pugzleyca3 » Thu Jun 01, 2006 4:26 pm

No my vote didn't count in the last election either. So what's new? <br><br>And it won't count the next time either. Unless I happen to vote for who the PTB want installed.<br><br>When your elections are rigged, what do you do?<br><br>(Not a quiz, just pondering the gravity of it.) <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Do you mind being wiretapped?

Postby StarmanSkye » Thu Jun 01, 2006 6:07 pm

--quote--<br>"Hmm. 91 percent does mind? I wonder what they have to hide. (Good thing they're under surveillance!)"<br><br><br><br><br>Heh!!! Wot a HOOT! All sarcastic irony aside tho, some not-too-few people in the US are actually SO atrociously simpleminded and moronic, apparently successful 'products' of the public-education (sic) LCD dumbing-down project to discourage knowledge-seeking and rigorous critical-thinking among the populace, they actually DO think that unregulated, widespread spying by an illegitimate Government emboldened by wildly exaggerated and spurious 'security' claims and patently false mass-media misrepresentations and outright lies, that exempts its self-important officials from citizen oversight and rule of law as per the basic tenets of informed citizen self-rule, overlooking the unprecedented abuse of authority and endemic fraud and corruption of its top officials and well-connected political and economic cronies of the PTB, essentially duplicating the very worst human and civil rights abuses of a pathologically paranoid, morally-deficient Stalinesque regime of institutionalized repression and oppression, is nevertheless a Very Good Thing.<br><br>Just goes to show, there's no shortcut to being well-informed on the issues -- certainly not just by virtue of being an 'American'. Thinking takes a modicum of effort, and interest.<br><br>Quite apart from the enormous waste and diversion of hundreds of billions of dollars (actually, further unfunded future debt-obligations) from social-spending and other critical needs in order to re-enact the most foul, barbaric practices of brutal, criminally decrepit, despotic rightwing autocracies, with all the potential for the creation of a fascist Police State under a fear-seige lockdown, and prone to the excesses of mismanagement, deep secrecy and cover-up that shields institutional misfeasance, negligence and fraud, and opportunities for the priveleged control and management of information with lucrative marketing of valuable industrial and business information for espionage and blackmail, the NSA's anything-goes spying is symptomatic of a thoroughly corrupted political and military bureaucracy using fabricated 'security' pretexts to divert public attention from its legacy of abysmal decisions and failed policies and its disconnect from the greater society -- a sign of the leadership's illegitimacy and the Constitutional Crisis it has provoked -- in themselves, symptoms of a failing, or failed, state.<br><br>I suppose the silver-lining in all this is that eventually, if the present 'leadership' continues its hand-over-fist global thefts and depradations, its protection rackets and influence-peddling schemes, its shakedowns and election-frauds, waging war on its citizens as well as the world, and trashing the Constitution as it rewards its partners in despotism while it tramples and befouls all the principles of rights and justice, eventually even the most dimwitted morons and brainwashed flagwaving sheeple will realize they've been conned and scammed, cheated and defrauded by the gang of plutocrats and scum who infect Washington -- and call for them all to be indicted for their crimes including treason. Outlawing the Republican Party and seizing all their assets for reparations to victims would be another reasonable course, quite likely if the tenets of justice were to prevail under the demands of We, The People should they rediscover their sense of collective authority and power.<br><br><br>Pugzleyca3 said:<br>"When your elections are rigged, what do you do?"<br><br>Damn, that IS the 7.8 trillion-dollar question, now ain't it?<br>Some 80 percent of the US vote is 'counted' by the seriously-flawed, insecure, tampering-prone electronic voting, Diebold or E&S (or whatever).<br><br>The huge problems with these 'systems' are getting harder and harder for the PTB and their functionaries to keep out of the public eye -- But will it actually 'fix' anything?<br><br>Besides a massive lockdown/shutdown strike, the options are continued organizing and strenuous truth-telling (but then, so much of the public is virtually brain-dead or distracted or disinterested in their own nation's well-being -- perhaps they may eventually wake the fuck up?), and a nationwide Vote Of No Confidence, or perhaps egging the PTB on to commit such grevious outrages that they'll go too far and precipitate the Radical Revolution needed to Change Direction (it COULD be a peaceful revolution, I guess...)<br><br>If Venezuala or Cuba or some other progressive nation attempting to create progressive social justice and economic reform were offering political asylum, many people might be inspired to participate in a large project to help develop the co-prosperity ideas to shift the paradigm from conquest to cooperation.<br><br>America's consumer profit-driven pop-culture is SO damn obnoxious to me (I absolutely LOATHE it) -- a big part of the problem -- as Bush's egophrenia is a symptom of the nation's pathology, and as are rampant militarism, institutional rascism and corruption, and abuse of authority, etc.<br><br><br>Starman <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Do you mind being wiretapped?

Postby Oilwellian » Fri Jun 02, 2006 3:29 pm

200 and 2004 ... stolen elections. Thankfully George can't run again. And I doubt anyone wants a third Bush as president.<br><br>Two failed presidencies from the same family is enough. (What did Shrub say about fool me once shame, I mean fool me twice, umm fooled again, or something?)<br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Do you mind being wiretapped?

Postby pugzleyca3 » Sat Jun 03, 2006 3:32 am

We've had a Bush in office since 1981, except for 8 years of Clinton in between, either as Vice-pres. or Pres.<br><br>By the time shrub leaves, it will be 20 out of the past 28 years we've had their sticky little fingers in America's pie. <br>(not counting the stints in congress and governor and Jeb in the mix)<br><br>Out with them, this is becoming a monarchy already! <br><br>I wonder where baby Bush will go to work once he's no longer president.<br><br>Who's going to hire him? <br><br>I hear Blair has already been tagged for Carlysle Group.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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