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Today in DC: Commandos in the Streets?

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Sep 22, 2005 2:14 pm

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://blogs.washingtonpost.com/earlywarning/2005/09/today_in_dc_com.html">blogs.washingtonpost.com/...c_com.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Today in DC: Commandos in the Streets?<br>Today, somewhere in the DC metropolitan area, the military is conducting a highly classified Granite Shadow "demonstration." <br><br>Granite Shadow is yet another new Top Secret and compartmented operation related to the military’s extra-legal powers regarding weapons of mass destruction. It allows for emergency military operations in the United States without civilian supervision or control. <br><br>A spokesman at the Joint Force Headquarters-National Capital Region (JFHQ-NCR) confirmed the existence of Granite Shadow to me yesterday, but all he would say is that Granite Shadow is the unclassified name for a classified plan.<br><br>That classified plan, I believe, after extensive research and after making a couple of assumptions, is CONPLAN 0400, formally titled Counter-Proliferation of Weapons of Mass Destruction. Concept Plan (CONPLAN) 0400 is a long-standing contingency plan of the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (CJCS) that serves as the umbrella for military efforts to counter the spread of weapons of mass destruction. It has extensively been updated and revised since 9/11.<br><br>The CJCS plan lays out national policy and priorities for dealing with WMD threats in peacetime and crisis -- from far away offensive strikes and special operations against foreign WMD infrastructure and capabilities, to missile defenses and "consequence management" at home if offensive efforts fail.<br><br>All of the military planning incorporates the technical capabilities of the intelligence agencies and non-military organizations such as the national laboratories of the Department of Energy. And finally, CONPLAN 0400 directs regional combatant commanders to customize counter-proliferation plans for each of their own areas of operations. <br><br>When that "area of operations" is the United States, things become particularly sensitive. <br><br>That's where Granite Shadow comes in. U.S. Northern Command (NORTHCOM), the military's new homeland security command, is preparing its draft version of CONPLAN 0400 for military operations in the United States, and the resulting Granite Shadow plan has been classified above Top Secret by adding a Special Category (SPECAT) compartment restricting access.<br><br>The sensitivities, according to military sources, include deployment of "special mission units" (the so-called Delta Force, SEAL teams, Rangers, and other special units of Joint Special Operations Command) in Washington, DC and other domestic hot spots. NORTHCOM has worked closely with U.S. Special Operations Command (SOCOM), as well as the secret branches of non-military agencies and departments to enforce "unity of command" over any post 9/11 efforts.<br><br>Further, Granite Shadow posits domestic military operations, including intelligence collection and surveillance, unique rules of engagement regarding the use of lethal force, the use of experimental non-lethal weapons, and federal and military control of incident locations that are highly controversial and might border on the illegal.<br><br>Granite Shadow is the twin to Power Geyser, a program I first revealed to The New York Times in January. The JFHQ spokesman confirms that Granite Shadow and Power Geyser are two different unclassified names for two different classified plans.<br><br>In the case of Power Geyser, the classified plan is CJCS CONPLAN 0300, whose entire title is classified. According the military documents, the unclassified title is "Counter-Terrorism Special Operations Support to Civil Agencies in the event of a domestic incident." It is another Top Secret/SPECAT plan directing the same special mission units to provide weapons of mass destruction recovery and "render safe" in either a terrorist incident or in the case of a stolen (or lost) nuclear weapon. Render safe refers to the ability of explosive ordnance disposal experts to isolate and disarm any type of biological, chemical, nuclear or radiological weapon.<br><br>The obvious question is why there is a need for two plans. My guess is that Power Geyser and CONPLAN 0300 refers to operations in support of a civil agency "lead" (most likely the Attorney General for a WMD attack) while Granite Shadow and CONPLAN 0400 lays out contingencies where the military is in the lead. I'll wait to be corrected by someone in the know.<br><br>Both plans seem to live behind a veil of extraordinary secrecy because military forces operating under them have already been given a series of ''special authorities'' by the President and the secretary of defense. These special authorities include, presumably, military roles in civilian law enforcement and abrogation of State's powers in a declared or perceived emergency.<br><br>In January, when The New York Times reported on the Power Geyser name from my Code Names website, the Pentagon argued that "It would be irresponsible … to comment on any classified program that may or may not exist."<br><br>I can't see how the Defense Department can continue this line of argument post-Katrina. We see the human cost of a system of contingency planning done in complete secret, with a lack of any debate as to what should be the federal government's priorities, emphasis, and rules.<br><br>As the Granite Shadow commandos and their federal brethren go through their paces today, some inside the system will lament that I have "compromised" their work. But the very fact that nothing in my writing damages the Granite Shadow effort should demonstrate that we can have a discussion of contingency planning priorities in the United States, and debate extraordinary special authorities granted to those in uniform, without compromising the details of the plans themselves.<br><br>There's still time. The full-scale exercise of Granite Shadow's capabilities and procedures doesn’t start until April 2006.[/link] <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=seemslikeadream@rigorousintuition>seemslikeadream</A> at: 9/22/05 12:34 pm<br></i>
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Re: Today in DC: Commandos in the Streets?

Postby DrDebugDU » Thu Sep 22, 2005 2:22 pm

This scary stuff. The only reference I can find are on military sites and the FEMA of course. Just the title "Counter Proliferation of Weapons of Mass Deception" is enough to make you suspicious of its true intention.<br><br>"It allows for emergency military operations in the United States <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>without civilian supervision or control</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->."<br><br>Martial law anyone? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Today in DC: Commandos in the Streets?

Postby Qutb » Thu Sep 22, 2005 2:44 pm

Interesting...<br><br>"Both plans seem to live behind a veil of <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>extraordinary secrecy</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> because military forces operating under them have already been <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>given a series of ''special authorities'' by the President and the secretary of defense. These special authorities include, presumably, military roles in civilian law enforcement and abrogation of State's powers in a declared or perceived emergency.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->"<br><br>"I can't see how the Defense Department can continue this line of argument post-Katrina. We see the human cost of a system of contingency planning done in complete secret, with a lack of any debate as to what should be the federal government's priorities, emphasis, and rules."<br><br>VERY interesting that the Washington Post is writing about this. More to come, too:<br><br>"A note to readers: Today begins a weekly feature of Early Warning, namely code name of the week. This will endeavor to discuss some secret program of the government, sometimes with an argument that the secrecy is excessive, sometime with far more questions than answers."<br><br>Interesting timing for that. They are being a bit coy, methinks. We know about the WP's ties to the CIA, and we have heard all the rumors of the covert war between the CIA/"good military" and CheneyCo/Rumsfeld/the Neocons, though I'm not sure what to think about those rumors. So why this, now? Are they trying to shine a light on something that urgently needs to have light shined on it? <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>"There's still time. The full-scale exercise of Granite Shadow's capabilities and procedures doesn’t start until April 2006."</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> Just in time for the 06 elections which the Republicans should lose in a landslide, if nothing, um, <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>unforeseen</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> should happen.<br><br>Or am I reading too much into it?<br> <p><!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="color:black;font-family:century gothic;font-size:x-small;"><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Qutb means "axis," "pole," "the center," which contains the periphery or is present in it. The qutb is a spiritual being, or function, which can reside in a human being or several human beings or a moment. It is the elusive mystery of how the divine gets delegated into the manifest world and obviously cannot be defined.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--></span><!--EZCODE FONT END--><br><br></p><i></i>
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Re:Bush Extends National State of Emergency

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Sep 22, 2005 2:49 pm

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4849457&mesg_id=4849457">www.democraticunderground...id=4849457</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><br>leveymg (1000+ posts) Thu Sep-22-05 12:30 PM<br>Original message <br>Bush Extends National State of Emergency - Military in Streets of DC <br> Edited on Thu Sep-22-05 12:34 PM by leveymg<br><br>Don't want to be alarmist about this, but these two simultaneous items together are really jarring. <br><br>* First, without any discussion or warning, Bush announced yesterday that he has extended the terrorism-related state of National Emergency he declared after 9/11. <br><br>* Second, a Washington Post columnist tells us that today is the kickoff of a massive Pentagon exercise simulating the declaration of a martial law in Washington, DC and that military special forces and intelligence officers have, in fact, been deployed in force in the streets of the capitol. <br><br>Of course, this comes on the eve of the largest anti-war demonstration in DC in 35 years.<br><br>1)<br>Notice of September 21, 2005--Continuation of the National Emergency With Respect to Persons Who Commit, Threaten To Commit, or Support Terrorism <br><br>Presidential Documents <br>___________________________________________________________________<br><br>Title 3--<br>The President<br><br>Notice of September 21, 2005<br><br>Continuation of the National Emergency With <br>Respect to Persons Who Commit, Threaten To Commit, or <br>Support Terrorism<br><br>On September 23, 2001, by Executive Order 13224, I <br>declared a national emergency with respect to persons <br>who commit, threaten to commit, or support terrorism, <br>pursuant to the International Emergency Economic Powers <br>Act (50 U.S.C. 1701-1706). I took this action to deal <br>with the unusual and extraordinary threat to the <br>national security, foreign policy, and economy of the <br>United States constituted by the grave acts of <br>terrorism and threats of terrorism committed by foreign <br>terrorists, including the terrorist attacks in New <br>York, in Pennsylvania, and against the Pentagon <br>committed on September 11, 2001, and the continuing and <br>immediate threat of further attacks against United <br>States nationals or the United States. Because the <br>actions of these persons who commit, threaten to <br>commit, or support terrorism continue to pose an <br>unusual and extraordinary threat to the United States, <br>the national emergency declared on September 23, 2001, <br>and the measures adopted on that date to deal with that <br>emergency, must continue in effect beyond September 23, <br>2005. Therefore, in accordance with section 202(d) of <br>the National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C. 1622(d)), I am <br>continuing for 1 year the national emergency with <br>respect to persons who commit, threaten to commit, or <br>support terrorism.<br><br>This notice shall be published in the Federal Register <br>and transmitted to the Congress.<br><br>(Presidential Sig.)B<br><br>THE WHITE HOUSE,<br><br>September 21, 2005.<br><br>Filed 9-21-05; 1:07 pm]<br><br>Billing code 3195-01-P<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2422/01jan20051800/e">a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/2...20051800/e</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> ... <br><br>******<br><br>2)<br>Now, read this:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://blogs.washingtonpost.com/earlywarning/2005/09/to">blogs.washingtonpost.com/...2005/09/to</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> ... <br>William M. Arkin on National and Homeland Security<br>Today in DC: Commandos in the Streets?<br>Today, somewhere in the DC metropolitan area, the military is conducting a highly classified Granite Shadow "demonstration." <br><br>Granite Shadow is yet another new Top Secret and compartmented operation related to the military’s extra-legal powers regarding weapons of mass destruction. It allows for emergency military operations in the United States without civilian supervision or control. <br><br>A spokesman at the Joint Force Headquarters-National Capital Region (JFHQ-NCR) confirmed the existence of Granite Shadow to me yesterday, but all he would say is that Granite Shadow is the unclassified name for a classified plan.<br><br>SNIP<br><br>When that "area of operations" is the United States, things become particularly sensitive. <br><br>That's where Granite Shadow comes in. U.S. Northern Command (NORTHCOM), the military's new homeland security command, is preparing its draft version of CONPLAN 0400 for military operations in the United States, and the resulting Granite Shadow plan has been classified above Top Secret by adding a Special Category (SPECAT) compartment restricting access.<br><br>The sensitivities, according to military sources, include deployment of "special mission units" (the so-called Delta Force, SEAL teams, Rangers, and other special units of Joint Special Operations Command) in Washington, DC and other domestic hot spots. NORTHCOM has worked closely with U.S. Special Operations Command (SOCOM), as well as the secret branches of non-military agencies and departments to enforce "unity of command" over any post 9/11 efforts.<br><br>Further, Granite Shadow posits domestic military operations, including intelligence collection and surveillance, unique rules of engagement regarding the use of lethal force, the use of experimental non-lethal weapons, and federal and military control of incident locations that are highly controversial and might border on the illegal.<br><br>Granite Shadow is the twin to Power Geyser, a program I first revealed to The New York Times in January. The JFHQ spokesman confirms that Granite Shadow and Power Geyser are two different unclassified names for two different classified plans.<br><br>In the case of Power Geyser, the classified plan is CJCS CONPLAN 0300, whose entire title is classified. According the military documents, the unclassified title is "Counter-Terrorism Special Operations Support to Civil Agencies in the event of a domestic incident." It is another Top Secret/SPECAT plan directing the same special mission units to provide weapons of mass destruction recovery and "render safe" in either a terrorist incident or in the case of a stolen (or lost) nuclear weapon. Render safe refers to the ability of explosive ordnance disposal experts to isolate and disarm any type of biological, chemical, nuclear or radiological weapon.<br><br>SNIP<br><br>There's still time. The full-scale exercise of Granite Shadow's capabilities and procedures doesn’t start until April 2006.<br><br>A note to readers: Today begins a weekly feature of Early Warning, namely code name of the week. This will endeavor to discuss some secret program of the government, sometimes with an argument that the secrecy is excessive, sometime with far more questions than answers.<br><br>*******<br><br>So, Mr. President, who is it who still poses such an extraordinary, immediate threat to our lives and safety? I am not so bothered by your potential power to declare martial law -- you could always do that in a true emergency -- as by the demonstrated fact that terrorist strikes seem to shadow the very exercises that are designed to prepare us for them. I refer, of course, to what happened on both 9/11 and 7/7 during pre-scheduled simulated attacks in New York, Washington and London.<br><br><br><br>What's Der Führer to do?<br> <br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.pollingreport.com/iraq.htm">www.pollingreport.com/iraq.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <br><br>CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll. Sept. 16-18, 2005. N=818 adults nationwide. MoE ± 4.<br><br>"Do you approve or disapprove of the way George W. Bush is handling the situation in Iraq?"<br><br>September 16-18/2005<br><br>Approve - 32%<br>Disapprove -67%<br>Unsure - 1% <br><br>ONLY 32 PERCENT APPROVE OF GEORGE. AND THIS IS AFTER HIS SPEECH TO THE NATION. He is in freefall mode. Nothing can help him now. It seems to me that no matter how many times he appears, gives speeches - or tries to look like a leader - the nation has turned its back on him. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=seemslikeadream@rigorousintuition>seemslikeadream</A> at: 9/22/05 12:54 pm<br></i>
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Trying to chill participation before the 9/24 event.

Postby Watchful Citizen » Thu Sep 22, 2005 3:13 pm

This story is meant to put both protesters and coup-plotters on notice that power intends to stay in power no matter what is attempted or by whom.<br><br>I've figured out that the cryptocracy/kleptocracy gets most of its strength from inducing inaction through ignorance, resignation, or fear.<br><br>The WashPost is a mouthpiece for CIA.<br>There is a civil war going on between factions in<br>-the Pentagon<br>-CIA<br>-Congress<br><br>The fascists in the White House are even worried the bunker government set-up by FEMA for 'continuity of government' in a disaster might attempt a coup of its own, something researcher Webster Tarpley writes was the biggest worry on 9/11 when the Pentagon was hit, something that should have been impossible without inside collaboration..<br><br>The secret factions are playing cat-and-mouse with each other in case one makes a grab for everything. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Re:Bush Extends National State of Emergency

Postby dbeach » Thu Sep 22, 2005 3:15 pm

boys and their toys<br><br>bush can dress up his plans in different names and more secrets but in the end he is the AWOL DESERTER who has committed the TREASON and if the US Military and other related agencies want to follow him as their leader..that is entirely their choice .<br> BUT in the end they did the TREASON and IF I have to die cuz of it ..well guess thats the breaks ...til then...<br><br><br>BUSH EATS LOOSH as do all who aid and abet the unelected WH occupunk. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: We must be prepared

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Sep 22, 2005 3:37 pm

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=148&topic_id=1695&mesg_id=1695">www.democraticunderground...sg_id=1695</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><br>"I'm not trying to scare anybody from the protest - but we must be prepared"<br>Posted by RagingInMiami <br>In case DC police decide to incorporate the "Miami Model" against us. This model, deemed highly successful in the law enforcement world, was used in Boston and New York during the Democratic and Republican conventions in 2004.<br><br>It all started in November 2003, when thousands of demonstrators descended upon Miami to protest against the Free Trade Area of the Americas meetings. The cops down here, never known for their diplomacy skills, turned into the Gestapo.<br><br>* They fired rubber bullets into the crowd -- including shooting one guy multiple times for holding up his hand in a peace sign -- and several people in the back.<br><br>* They arrested hordes of people for simply being at the wrong place at the wrong time, including "neutral parties" like lawyers, observers and journalists.<br><br>* They used tear gas, pepper spray and taser guns without provocation.<br><br>* And they had undercover cops dressed as protesters to incite other protesters.<br><br><br>And they did all this under the guise of "Homeland Security". The incident resulted in several lawsuits against Miami police, but the "Miami Model" is now being incorporated in other cities as a way to control demonstrators, according to the articles I linked below.<br><br>I know DC cops have a lot more experience in dealing with this, but there will also be World Bank and International Monetary meetings that weekend, so I'm expecting them to be a little more aggressive than they normally would. The last thing these cops want is another Seattle.<br><br><br>Link to several photos on the Miami Model in action.<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://ocinsight.com/Articles/police_used_violence_against_pea.htm" target="top">ocinsight.com/Articles/police_used_violence_against_pea.htm</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br><br>Some articles on what went down.<br><br>http://www.democracynow.org/static/miamimodel.shtml <br><br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://newstandardnews.net/content/?action=show_item&itemid=488" target="top">newstandardnews.net/content/?action=show_item&itemid=488</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/South/11/20/miami.protests/" target="top">www.cnn.com/2003/US/South/11/20/miami.protests/</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>A group of independent filmmakers made a movie called "The Miami Model" which includes footage of the abuse.<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.ftaaimc.org/miamimodel" target="top">www.ftaaimc.org/miamimodel </a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/images/1120-13.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://img.coxnewsweb.com/B/03/09/63/image_263093.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/images/1120-12.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://img.coxnewsweb.com/B/03/09/63/image_263093.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://galleries.news24.com/daily/20031121/images/16.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br><br><!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="color:teal;font-family:comic sans ms;font-size:xx-small;"><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>In the morning I'd awake and couldn't remember<br>What is love and what is hate - the calculations error<br>Oh-oh-oh-what is love and what is hate<br>And why does it matter - is to love just a waste<br>Why does it matter - oh - oh - ooh - ???<br><br>As the dawn began to break - I had to surrender<br>The universe will have its way - to powerful to master<br>Oh-oh-oh-what is love and what is hate<br>And why does it matter - is to love just a waste<br>Why does it matter - oh - oh - ooh - ???</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--></span><!--EZCODE FONT END--> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=seemslikeadream@rigorousintuition>seemslikeadream</A> at: 9/22/05 1:38 pm<br></i>
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Don't forget their favorite toy

Postby DrDebugDU » Thu Sep 22, 2005 3:39 pm

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Re: We must be prepared

Postby Dreams End » Thu Sep 22, 2005 3:43 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Watchful Citizen said: <br><br>The WashPost is a mouthpiece for CIA.<br>There is a civil war going on between factions in<br>-the Pentagon<br>-CIA<br>-Congress<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Watchful, I've been watching this for awhile. Not too long ago there were pieces floating around about how some percentage of the military was ready for a coup. Oddly, one of the pieces was on Counterpunch. It was by Wayne Madsen. What was odd about it was that the piece was in FAVOR of a military takeover...suggesting that it was the only way to restore the country back to a democracy. My reading of history suggests that the US military rarely leaves a government in better shape than when they messed with it and this is a typical left position to have...so surprising to see it on Counterpunch.<br><br>The other piece was by someone named Col Grand-Pre and it made the rounds with basically the same idea...a coup is in the works and the military are the good guys. I never saw any sort of bio of the guy or any proof he existed, but he was interviewed by Alex Jones, I think, among others. <br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: We must be prepared

Postby dbeach » Thu Sep 22, 2005 3:51 pm

I know a few retired officers who are anti-bush and aware of the bush TREASON..<br><br>NOW the question remains.<br><br>are there any True Patriots of high rank in the US Military and other govt agencies who will arrest the bush criminals and give the govt back to the US Citizens????<br><br>CUZ if there is not any left and if Fitzie does not indict at least rover and libby..then this republic is done.<br><br>Karl B. Schwarz and Tom Flocco have said that over 60% of govt is anti-bush..not including Conjob Congress<br><br>IF thats true?? WHY are they waiting??? <p></p><i></i>
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so many emergencies

Postby Rambuncle » Thu Sep 22, 2005 4:11 pm

I just did a google search for "Continuation of National Emergencies" and a quick glance shows me there are at least three others currently in effect (Burma, Irag Development Fund[that is working well], and maybe still Iran). How easy is it for a President to declare National Emergencies and continue them? What powers are given to the President because of these Emergencies? Why do we have one in relation to Burma that has continued since 1997? Couldn't something be done outside of National Emergency powers to resolve whatever issues the government may have with Burma? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: so many emergencies

Postby Dreams End » Thu Sep 22, 2005 4:26 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>WHY are they waiting???<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br>Careful what you wish for....military dictatorship is a military dictatorship...you think it'll be different in the USA. <br><br>Wonder if that's why General Honore is getting all that face time...? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: so many emergencies

Postby DrDebugDU » Thu Sep 22, 2005 4:28 pm

The President can declare states of emergency if he feels there is a reason for it. There are no specific rules. Technically all parts of Constitution can be suspended during a state of emergency and do whatever he feels fit, however the courts can limit the powers.<br><br>There is a long story at wiki at it:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_emergency#The_United_States">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sta...ted_States</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Don't know about Burma. I guess that country is still in a civil war. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: so many emergencies

Postby dbeach » Thu Sep 22, 2005 5:05 pm

did not wish for anything.<br><br>just waiting like ya all waiting as the situations unfold.<br><br>maybe Fitzie will come through MAYBE <p></p><i></i>
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Re: We must be prepared

Postby Qutb » Thu Sep 22, 2005 5:19 pm

I wouldn't be cheering for a military takeover, even if it's ostensibly or even actually "anti-Bush". What it will lead to is without doubt the end of the American republic. Things will get worse, not better. <br><br>Webster Tarpley argues that 9/11 was actually an attempt at a military coup, <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>against</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> Bush, which largely succeeded - Bush has been weak, almost a puppet since then. I think the Able Danger story may support that reading. <br><br>Bush is mainly a spoiled, stupid, lazy, decadent, drunk, coke-snorting aristocrat. As such, he is certainly the worst president ever, but I think the incompetence theory actually may go along way towards explaining president Bush, who has attained his position solely as a consequence of being his father's son. Of course, since WWII every president has been weak to an extent, often blacmailable in several ways, and kept out of the big secrets (Eisenhower wasn't granted an audience to the Strategic Command until the end of his presidency), but Bush, despite all the spin about his strong leadership, is probably the weakest so far.<br><br>The true enemies of the Republic are more likely to be the military-corporate technocrats of the secret government, like Rumsfeld, Cheney, Woolsey, Myers, Eberhardt, Shoomaker, Poindexter, etc, only to mention the visible arm of it, which is the part we know about. The people who are putting weapons in space and who fantasize about "full spectrum dominance" and undoubtedly about martial law. These people can be found in the Pentagon and the Military, in the armaments companies, and probably among the captains of industry and finance (remember one of the most astonishing facts that have been revealed about 9/11: that several of Muhammed Atta's associates were "sons and daughters of German industrialists"). The Neocons of the thinktankocracy are merely fulfilling the function of ideological apologists and political enforcers for these people. <br><br>A military coup by "patriotic" generals against the "neo-con cabal" is the last thing we need. <p><!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="color:black;font-family:century gothic;font-size:x-small;"><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Qutb means "axis," "pole," "the center," which contains the periphery or is present in it. The qutb is a spiritual being, or function, which can reside in a human being or several human beings or a moment. It is the elusive mystery of how the divine gets delegated into the manifest world and obviously cannot be defined.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--></span><!--EZCODE FONT END--><br><br></p><i></i>
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