Resources for leaving the U.S.

[GDN01]

I came across this website, <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.escapeartist.com/">Escape Artist</a><!--EZCODE LINK END-->, that has many links for overseas job and help in relocating. <br><br>Have any of you considered leaving the U.S.? Where would you go? Have you come across resources that help with relocating? If you have left the U.S. in the last 4 years, do you have any advice on how to do it successfully?<br><br>Jeff - want to start a commune in Canada and give us all refuge? <p></p><i></i>

[joyofsox]

My common-law wife and I moved from NYC to Toronto in September 2005.<br><br>We first applied back in late 2003 (we were leaving no matter what the outcome of the 2004 election was). The process from application to acceptance was about 16-18 months.<br><br>She started a blog about our experience:<br><br>wemovetocanada.blogspot.com<br><br>Check out the links on the right-hand side for some explanatory posts. She will also answer questions (but does hope that people will look around ther blog first).<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[Rigorous Intuition]

Sure, that's how it starts. Next thing you know, we're lying down in our bunks wearing brand new Nikes awaiting the mothership. Not on my watch!<br><br>And better think again about Canada. There's an increasing likelihood a Conservative government getting elected this month. A minority government, likely, that will be supported by the Quebec separatist Bloc. If that happens, it's New Zealand or bust.<br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=rigorousintuition>Rigorous Intuition</A> at: 1/7/06 9:38 pm<br></i>

[marykmusic]

Running away is no longer an option. Where is there to go? It's all becoming the same... <br><br>So we stand and fight! --MaryK <p></p><i></i>

[Iroquois]

I'm with MaryK, I'll stand my ground. But, you have to do what you feel is right for yourself and your family. For that, I also agree with Jeff. Toronto is no refuge. <p></p><i></i>

[chiggerbit]

What's the matter, GDN01? Have you had more problems with the spooks? If it's just the general situation that's bugging you, then maybe you could try a blue state. Same prez and Congress, I know, but there is just a different feel in the blue states. But I do love the sound of New Zealand. Yummm.<br> <p></p><i></i>

[darkbeforedawn]

It is cowardly to leave. After all, those of us who are adults have been complicit with the horrible abuses going on now that brought us all such cheap wonderful clothing and toys made by slaves in china, rugs made by child abuse in India, etc. etc.We knew in our deepest selves, our country was devouring the world. Even though we grumbled occassionaly we let it happen, knowing in our heart of hearts it was wrong and somewhere sometime we would have to pay. NOW is our opportunity to show our true metal. We may have not had the information or the understanding before, but after 9-11 people are making a very conscious choice to "know" or "not to know". It wasn't just our gov. WE lived the lie day after day. Now is our chance to start over with the truth. It may be a doomed chance, but to me it is far better than running away. I'm here for the duration. <p></p><i></i>

[chiggerbit]

Easy for us to say, darkbeforedawn, unless any of us had spooks after us. GDNO1 may have compelling reasons for wanting to get out, for all we know.<br> <p></p><i></i>

[darkbeforedawn]

Yeah you're right chiggerbit, I've never yet been spooked, though I feel it coming. I got some death threats for a letter to the editor in a local paper. I think I would not stand up to well to being followed and what not <p></p><i></i>

[Iroquois]

GDN01, I'm staying put because I feel I'm where I'm supposed to be. I didn't mean to say you should do the same. In fact, if I lived in east Texas I'd think about relocating myself regardless of whether I had problems with spooks. There's no shame in wanting to keep your family safe.<br><br>I don't know what the future holds better than anyone else. I just question whether Toronto is a good choice. A small farm in Appalachia would seem better to me. The winters are milder. The terrain is as beautiful as it is defensible. There's a long history of resistance to both government and corporate goons and a profound appreciation for self-sacrificing leftists like yourself.<br><br>(I'm thinking of the communists that came in to form the unions in the early 1900's. I've heard people talk about that period like it all happened yesterday.)<br><br>Maybe try hiking the Appalachian Trail until you find a place you like.<br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=iroquois@rigorousintuition>Iroquois</A> at: 1/8/06 4:56 pm<br></i>

[marykmusic]

My brother designed and made available some sticky notes which said, "I'm a spook. Ask me how you can be one, too." He put these on the black SUV's that followed him... what a sense of humor!<br><br>Sure, I have my own spooks, too. There have been several attempts on my life. But I'm still here, still fighting. Moving away wouldn't change anything.<br><br>And about that slave-labor stuff mentioned... what are YOU doing? I personally refuse to go to Wal-Mart, or to buy stuff I KNOW contributes to that kind of world. Sure, I pay more for what I want... or go without. Television, for example... --MaryK <p></p><i></i>

[GDN01]

I go back and forth with the idea of leaving the U.S. - and have for a few years, and for many reasons. Yes, things that happened the last couple of weeks have made me consider this option again, and with a greater sense of urgency than before. <br><br>It's one thing to put my self at risk, but I have kids. <br>And they both have asked me to take them and leave the country if the draft is initiated - they don't know about my other concerns. <br><br>Another reason I think about leaving is that I hate what this govt. is doing in my name and with my tax dollars. I've looked into not paying taxes as a form of resistance, but it would again put my kids at risk. <br><br>If I didn't have kids, I would find a way to disappear here in the country, go underground and off the grid. I have looked into doing that, too.<br><br>I really wasn't serious about Jeff starting a commune, and would prefer a warmer climate anyway. Hard to live with the bare necessities when you are freezing. I used to be a teacher and there are many jobs overseas for teaching English. It is at least a possibility. <br><br>Things could get really bad here in the next two years. And I have decided I will resist if I stay. I will refuse any forced vaccination program, any chip program, any attempt at martial law. And if it was just me, I would be fine with the consequences and agree that staying and fighting is better. But I do feel like a target right now and have a feeling that if I stay here in the U.S., I'm not going to last long. I can't go into it all, nor do I think I'm alone in this. But sometimes just fantasizing about escaping helps. And when I came across that site, I thought it would be helpful to begin to share resources, for me and others who feel they must leave. I know it's not easy, and most other countries have their own problems and corrupted govt. But maybe it's time to at least get a plan together, find out what it would really involve. <p></p><i></i>

[darkbeforedawn]

Well not much really, what can I do? I threw out my television after it started acting up. Since my husband is blind, that was o.k. I stopped reading the NYT (this used to be a big luxury) since Judith Miller et.al. I NEVER go to Walmart. In fact, I try to buy all my stuff used, that way I'm not burdening the planet. I try to warn people about how we are being used by the elites and how 9-11 was a psyop. I stand in front of the fed. building with signs when I can. I make presents when I can. I buy food from local farmers when I can, which is getting more and more frequent because I have found that if you know afew, you start to find out about more. I installed a wood stove. I'm only one person. How much can any of us do? <p></p><i></i>

[GDN01]

DBD, first you say it is cowardly to leave. Then you say, "How much can any of us do?" <br><br>If there is nothing we can do, why bother to stay? If it is more courageous to stay - are you staying to fight and make changes, or staying to suffer god knows what? What kind of courage are you talking about?<br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[darkbeforedawn]

I guess I'm just stubborn. Don't see much hope of change coming before people are MADE to change. But I can't swallow being driven out of my country, my home by these liars and worse. I'll stay and fight for small changes inch by inch. I think it takes a lot of courage to make any decision at all; stay or leave. Most folks just roll on with inertia. I thought alot about leaving when I saw what went down after the elections. There is so much good in people, even if they are "sleeping" I guess I'm too old to leave everyone I know and I know many really good people that I would miss. I'm staying to fight and suffer along with them when what comes down comes. But if you're going-- Good for you...find peace and hopefully a better place. <p></p><i></i>