Straus,neo-cons, University of Chicago= TREASON

[mercator]

I agree with seventhson that far left and far right have substantive differences, but it's worth adding that anarchists sometimes advocate violence. To be sure, there are right wing anarchists (anarcho-capitalists), but some left wing anarchists (anarcho-socialists) such as Kropotkin have also advocated violence:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://mondediplo.com/2004/09/03anarchists">mondediplo.com/2004/09/03anarchists</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Here's a fragment from Chesterton's fictional conversation with a non-violent anarcho-socialist:<br><br>"I think you remarked," I said feebly, "that the mere common populace do not quite understand Anarchism--"<br><br>"Quite so," he said with burning swiftness; "as I said, they think any Anarchist is a man with a bomb, whereas--"<br><br>"But great heavens, man!" I said; "it's the man with the bomb that I understand! I wish you had half his sense. What do I care how many German dons tie themselves in knots about how this society began?<br>My only interest is about how soon it will end. Do you see those fat white houses over in Park-lane, where your masters live?"<br><br>He assented and muttered something about concentrations of capital.<br><br>"Well," I said, "if the time ever comes when we all storm those houses, will you tell me one thing? Tell me how we shall do it without authority? Tell me how you will have an army of revolt without discipline?"<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.dur.ac.uk/martin.ward/gkc/books/alarms_and_discursions.txt">www.dur.ac.uk/martin.ward...rsions.txt</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br> <p></p><i></i>

[Sweejak]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I think that left and right do not exist anymore..<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I'm with you on that. Apparently if Raimondo's essay is correct the Neocons don't care either. I think the common perception of right/left Blue/Red is a fraud. <br>Yeah it's Political Science 101 for sure. <br>As far as Democrats, the reputedly "Left"party, goes, what a joke. Kerry only wanted to fight a "better" war. Most Dems that I know feel like whores for going with the ABB meme (anybody but Bush)<br><br>Your on a boat and it rocks from "right" to "left", everybody is at each other's throats, the op ed's are full of examples, meanwhile no one asks who is making the waves.<br>Right/left only makes sense to me as in lifestyle choices. Frankly I think the "left" has better parties, better art and prettier girls.<br> <p></p><i></i>

[Sweejak]

Anarchists<br>Vast subject.<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>I rather liked the Dutch Provos.<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.pdxnorml.org/HT_provos_0190.html">www.pdxnorml.org/HT_provos_0190.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br> <p></p><i></i>

[mercator]

<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>I think the common perception of right/left Blue/Red is a fraud.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>Maybe so, but that doesn't show that the distinction between left and right no longer exists. It just shows that in America a common misperception exists.<br> <p></p><i></i>

[Sweejak]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Maybe so, but that doesn't show that the distinction between left and right no longer exists. It just shows that in America a common misperception exists.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Ok I can go with that. Maybe the larger point for me personally is that I don't seem to fit into any category and worse I think that any centralized party is subject to hijacking and becomes a tool. There are a few online 'tests' around that supposedly show where you fit on the spectrum. Ehh, maybe I'm a minarchist or a situationist though I could probably live happily under any number of systems, even a monarchy, "it would be a heck of a lot easier -just so long I'm the dictator." <p></p><i></i>

[dbeach]

<br>at tom flocco forum..a conversation between Tom H and Nancy pelossi<br><br>tom often is on cloakanddagger.de and has maintained that the dems including clintons..and kerry are all in on the crimes of 9/11<br><br>DUNNO ?<br><br>but I see the dems mostly give bush fraud eevryting he wants or close to it<br><br>WHY??<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.tomflocco.com/">www.tomflocco.com/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>"We now know the Bushes were behind 9-11 and the murders of 3,000 Americans; but if we tell the American people, there will be a revolution and we will all be hung." Democratic House Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-8-CA) in a phone conversation with Tom Heneghan, Federal Whistleblower who ran for president in 2004. Is House Leader Pelosi obstructing justice? Is Pelosi acting as a co-conspirator to the murder of 3,000 Americans on 9/11?<br> <p></p><i></i>

[Sweejak]

Dbeach you might enjoy this audio snip<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://homepage.mac.com/kaaawa/Polly_Tiks/iMovieTheater70.html">homepage.mac.com/kaaawa/P...ter70.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Scroll down for the full interview. it's pretty interesting.<br> <p></p><i></i>

[DrDebugDU]

<br>"We now know the Bushes were behind 9-11 and the murders of 3,000 Americans; but if we tell the American people, there will be a revolution and we will all be hung." Democratic House Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-8-CA) in a phone conversation with Tom Heneghan, Federal Whistleblower who ran for president in 2004. Is House Leader Pelosi obstructing justice? Is Pelosi acting as a co-conspirator to the murder of 3,000 Americans on 9/11?<br>

<br><br>I think it is more that Nancy Pelosi is scared and doesn't want to push through and fall too much out of line. She did call for the resignation of Donald Rumsfeld, however Bush immediately launced counterpropaganda. <p></p><i></i>

[dbeach]

dunno tom H. is a govt whislteblower and that would be a might interesting tape..if pelossi was in fact telling the truth of course if the conversation ever happened..<br><br>I guess I would believe Tom over Pelossi..But???<br><br>Scared or complicit??<br><br>Jefferson siad ..paraphrasing..if the citizens don't speak out agianst tyranny then they are part of it...<br><br>usually at these crisis monents in history..greta people enter the scene..to save the day..so to speak<br><br>I don''t see any great people in our nations so called leaders..WE are the great people speaking out!!!<br> <p></p><i></i>

[DrDebugDU]

> I don''t see any great people in our nations so called leaders..WE are the great people speaking out!!!<br><br>It is the people who are speaking out. There are some people like John Conyers, Jr. who still dare to speak out, but indeed most politicians are playing hide and seek and don't want to rock the boat. I'm not saying that there all gone to the dark side though. I think people like Nancy Pelosi still have the heart in the right place, but prefer their political career over the risk of being ousted from a long career if they stand up and express themselves. <p></p><i></i>

[Sweejak]

I can't take Pelosi seriously.<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I think it is finally time we stood up and thanked Rep. Nancy Pelosi, the darling Democrat from the Bay Area who leads her party in the House. Pelosi's recent speech to the Israel-American lobby AIPAC, the second largest lobby in Washington, was monumental - truly unparalleled in its candor.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.counterpunch.org/frank05312005.html">www.counterpunch.org/frank05312005.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>

[dbeach]

Dr D I guess that I wish ya is rt..but think <br>Sweejak is rt<br><br>In any event..we gotta keep fighting this delaying action<br><br>they still fear the TRUTH and us who seek it..<br><br>we are stronger in Spirit for the positive and their lies will eventually be exposed.<br>WHEN???<br> <p></p><i></i>

[Sweejak]

This, also from counterpunch shows how tables turn ... hall of mirrors, in the left/right game... at least as it is expressed in the USa.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>suppose one of Valerie Plame's covert CIA missions, until outed by Karl Rove, had been to liaise with Venezuelan right-wingers planning to assassinate president Hugo Chavez, possibly masquerading as a journalist and using her attractions to secure an audience with the populist president and then poison him, just as the CIA tried to poison Castro. security by exposing Plame's employer.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn07162005.html">www.counterpunch.org/cock...62005.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>