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by jc » Sun Aug 06, 2006 11:24 pm

eiaego, according to this the Israeli gov is letting israelis die to please the US and secure backing. <blockquote>Quote:<hr><a href="http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0608/06/rs.01.html">Israel lets Hizb rockets through for PR purposes</a> CNN | Reliable Sources Transcript | 6 August 2006 And joining us now here Washington Anne Compton who covers the White House for ABC News, and Thomas Ricks, Pentagon reporter for "The Washington Post" and author of the new book "Fiasco: The American Military Adventure in Iraq." Tom Ricks, you've covered a number of military conflicts, including Iraq, as I just mentioned. Is civilian casualties increasingly going to be a major media issue? In conflicts where you don't have two standing armies shooting at each other? THOMAS RICKS, REPORTER, "THE WASHINGTON POST": I think it will be. But I think civilian casualties are also part of the battlefield play for both sides here. One of the things that is going on, according to some U.S. military analysts, is that Israel purposely has left pockets of Hezbollah rockets in Lebanon, because as long as they're being rocketed, they can continue to have a sort of moral equivalency in their operations in Lebanon. KURTZ: Hold on, you're suggesting that Israel has deliberately allowed Hezbollah to retain some of it's fire power, essentially for PR purposes, because having Israeli civilians killed helps them in the public relations war here? RICKS: Yes, that's what military analysts have told me. KURTZ: That's an extraordinary testament to the notion that having people on your own side killed actually works to your benefit in that nobody wants to see your own citizens killed but it works to your benefit in terms of the battle of perceptions here. RICKS: Exactly. It helps you with the moral high ground problem, because you know your operations in Lebanon are going to be killing civilians as well. <hr></blockquote> who's the junkie and who's the pusher in this relationship do you reckon?

by jc » Sun Aug 06, 2006 11:25 pm

"The Nazis are coming out and they will play the Jew card. Arggggh" i second that Arghhh, mate!

by **Joe Hillshoist** » Sun Aug 06, 2006 11:36 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>KURTZ: That's an extraordinary testament to the notion that having people on your own side killed actually works to your benefit in that nobody wants to see your own citizens killed but it works to your benefit in terms of the battle of perceptions here. RICKS: Exactly. It helps you with the moral high ground problem, because you know your operations in Lebanon are going to be killing civilians as well.<hr></blockquote> Anyone ever heard of the attacks on the World trade Centre on sept 11 2001?

by **StarmanSkye** » Sun Aug 06, 2006 11:37 pm

JC: WoW -- Great brainstorm creative 'what-if???' outside-the-box thinking there; THANKS for bringing this up; I'm gonna have to chew on this some. First-off, I thought: Naw, No Way. Too pat, uh, too devious, uhm, too 'out there', er, too across-the-grain, too ... something? Then I thought -- But look at all the immense time and effort, the false testimony, set-up stooges, back-room deals with Saudi princes and shady swarthy arms-dealers and narco middlemen, like the Muslim Brotherhood, Al QaCIAda, Taliban stooges, Muslim Charities, etc., the whole 'Israel is our friend. The enemy of of our friend is OUR enemy' thang writ large in multi-billion/trillion-dollah deals and secret Black Ops scams, surveillance and patsies and bumbling wannabe playboy death-defying hotshot stooges, 40 years-plus of Middle East interference and proxies and coups and betrayals ... But then -- I reflected, and considered: Is it so implausable, unlikely, wildly inconceivable -- Is It, really So Far Out there? Whew. Not TOTALLY impossible after all. My roomate thinks anti-semitic/anti-Jewish/Israel suspicion, mistrust, latent hostility may be a festering 50/50 deal in the US, that could by flipped as per longlaid plans, so Israel and the Jews become the NEW (old) scapegoat fallguys the PTB padrone/hydra-establishment have set-up to recieve the world's approbation for the (planned, anticipated) shitstorm catastrophe Armeggedon-styled dieoff. Is US sympathy for Iraq reaching towards 50 percent yet (following in the wake of dire forecasts and apparant incompetant failures and unimaginable corruption (that makes Vietnam look like a frat-prank hustle, revelations of marine massacres and murders and the Abu Ghraib et al. human rights outrages) and so on ... ? Makes one wonder ... Who's REALLY being set-up and suckered? (No doubt, more than several fall-back and contingency plans are being groomed at any time, with optimum selection made according to best-fit circumstances, and at-least several discrete power-bloc interests in shifting alliances competing and cooperating as perceptions and stengths/weaknesses/opportunities and alliances change). Damn, a LOT to reflect on and ponder alright. (Sigh -- more mental plodding the Outer Limits/Twilight Zone/rabbit-hole parapolitical minefield). Starman

by jc » Sun Aug 06, 2006 11:42 pm

star, here's a scenario, bush or hellary get all righteous and (oh, what was that about how bush senior lost to clinton? something about the settlements?) turn around, repent and suck up to the kings and pres's in the ME, and say "let us in and we'll save you from the zionists?" devious? far out? i dunno. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=jc@rigorousintuition>jc</A> at: 8/6/06 9:43 pm

by **chiggerbit** » Sun Aug 06, 2006 11:52 pm

I don't believe the interment camps will be filled with jews. Actually, I'm in agreement with you there, bvon. I think those little cages for protestors, always a mile or two away, at Bush speaking events was a test to see how far they could push without raising the dander of the public. Those camps are for us, if they are ever to be used.

by jc » Sun Aug 06, 2006 11:58 pm

nazis:<blockquote>Quote:<hr>We have become a Nazi monster in the eyes of the whole world -- a nation of bullies and bastards who would rather kill than live peacefully. We are not just whores for power and oil, but killer whores with hate and fear in our hearts. We are human scum, and that is how history will judge us…. No redeeming social value. Just whores. Get out of our way, or we'll kill you. -- Hunter S. Thompson, Kingdom of Fear<hr></blockquote>and he suffers a sudden loss of life. hmmm. as for <blockquote>Quote:<hr>I don't believe the interment camps will be filled with jews<hr></blockquote> you maybe right, but when i read that i get the feeling someone's walking past the graveyard whistling "it cant happen here." Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=jc@rigorousintuition>jc</A> at: 8/6/06 9:59 pm

by **chiggerbit** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 12:03 am

Believe me, it will be us, the dissenters. That will include Jews, too. Remember, the Jews here in American polled at even higher numbers, from the beginning, as being against invading Iraq than did the rest of the public. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=chiggerbit@rigorousintuition>chiggerbit</A> at: 8/6/06 10:06 pm

by **Joe Hillshoist** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 12:04 am

The concentration camps were not filled with jews either. At least not just jews. There were plenty of other groups the nazis had it in for. As well as jewish people. But they were probably the biggest single group. the Nazi's killed gays, unionists, johos, catholics, gypsys, slavs and god knows who else, but they used anti semeticism to unite many of the great unwashed (what a great term<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eyes.gif ALT=":rolleyes"> ) behind their agenda. If that thing about the world jewish congress or whatever it was declaring war on germany in 1933 probably didn't help. Then again if you look at todays society in a certain way you could replace "jew" with "muslim", and the same things could be happening as say 1934.

by jc » Mon Aug 07, 2006 12:15 am

the nazis probably think "the more culled the merrier," no?

by **Joe Hillshoist** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 12:27 am

Yeah i think they want a world full of programmable clones personally.

by **StarmanSkye** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 2:46 am

"Believe me, it will be us, the dissenters. That will include Jews, too. Remember, the Jews here in American polled at even higher numbers, from the beginning, as being against invading Iraq than did the rest of the public." DAMN good point, Chiggerbit, and yours too, Joe: "The concentration camps were not filled with jews either. At least not just jews. There were plenty of other groups the nazis had it in for. As well as jewish people. But they were probably the biggest single group. the Nazi's killed gays, unionists, johos, catholics, gypsys, slavs and god knows who else, but they used anti semeticism to unite many of the great unwashed (what a great term ) behind their agenda." **** That takes care of my initial skepticism like Bvon's that I just couldn't *see* Jews being rounded-up and interned like a 30s-40s rerun extravaganza. The 'new' rounded-up internal exiles will be heavy with aliens, undocumented workers, immigrants, 'terrorism suspects' ie. dissenters and professional/working-class liberals, so-called newly stateless persons, radicals, 'unapproved' protestors, targetted minorities -- perhaps everyone not certified and bonded, vetted and cleared as 'trustworthy' and not a 'security' risk. I'd have to posit an immense, world-shattering, catastrophically precipitating event for sufficient fear and civil lockdown, with food and fuel/energy shortages, famine and epidemic, wars and natural disasters leading to riots and martial law, utterly destroying social institutions and threatening the major powerbloc combines/interests, for widescale incarcerations to happen. But like the Pol Pot and Stalin purges and Latin American death squads as well as the Hitler/Mussolini/Japanese concentration camps, there was a long time when they could never even be imagined by the people who were to become either perpetrators or victims. Outstanding Hunter Thompson quote BTW, JC. And too -- The major media (CNN, with ABC affiliation) military intelligence leak/report about Israel 'allowing' pockets of Hizbollah rocket-attack/resupply activity to gain PR moral credibility sure is a twist; To the extent that's given MSM play that is sure to confound Israel's self-righteous pose and discredit it even further. One can imagine how this might fit a patsy set-up pattern. Food fer thot, ennyway. Starman

by **Et in Arcadia ego** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 5:29 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Anyone ever heard of the attacks on the World trade Centre on sept 11 2001?<hr></blockquote> Ouch. Good one, Joe.. ____________________ Some are born to sweet delight, some are born to endless night.

by jc » Mon Aug 07, 2006 9:54 am

re the repeat of history, this thread and some of the stuff at the end of the MG DUI thread. back when the berlin wall fell a few of us here in europe weren't exactly pleased. i mean the wall gone and all was fine but we had a sort of bad feeling, escpecially when all the media and public figures started clapping their own backs and selling their "success": the "succes" of capitalism and the eternal truth of it and so on. huntington and fukuyama stuff, end of history (my that sounds so fascist utopia) and all that. anyway, berlin was special: bowie, neubauten, die geniale dilettanten, die haut, nick cave, and most of all, to me anyway, crime & the city solution. this band of aussies and germans led by my fave living aussie song writer (my fave aussie song writer died not long ago, unfortunately) simon bonney, don't know anyone else writes lyrics like these. weird mixture of the blues, kurt weil and brecht. he wrote these lyrics. i think they're pretty prescient, at least they kind of sum up what a few of us felt at the time. just a matter of knowing your history as marcus aurelius and goethe would say, nothing para about that: <blockquote>Quote:<hr>The Sly Persuaders The sly persuaders appeared in town Said there was hidden danger all around So take care, and beware Foreign saviors, violin players, sooth-sayers, tax evaders, The door-to-door pest, the permanent guest, Those inexplicable pains in your chest Well the sly persuaders proposed a deal The public saviors heard their spiel Sometimes you have to be bad to be good We hope that this is understood We'll introduce you to need You can meet avarice, gluttony, and greed Why you can rub the tummies Of these lovely honeys We'll wash your hands We'll wash your money The equipment's paid and bought Just audit and keep that in nought Nobody's gonna get caught We are the hammer to the iron fist That you with us we must insist Please don't make us slap your wrist The publics saviors brought the border down Over the border they released the hounds Round up the culprits, bring them back to town At the station they were bound And on investigation they were found … to be Foreign saviors, violin players, tax evaders, sooth-sayers, The door-to-door pest, the permanent guest, Each one admitted to the same crime as the rest Sale of poison and theft from the community chest The Last Dictator I  The last dictator to the station crept In tattered clothes he lay down and wept Shook his fists at all the world, and hissed Is this it? Is this it? My farewell delegation, these few trees This station that is no station That is left, that is mine I could have saved you all, You gave me so little time Well the angels who'd hung around And dreamed their dreams for eternity They schemed their schemes, awoke and said, Dick! We understand you to the letter. You can have it like it was before, only better. Yes, I'd like that. I'll try again. We'll make them bow under my name. Oh, yeah! by comparison the last time will seem rather tame. We'll set you up in the desert, in a discotheque called "parody" That's French for "paradise" Like an immovable spot. Rest now, you've had enough trot. The last dictator awoke from where he'd been In a mood that was mean he related the dream I'm in a very bad mood, I've had a very bad dream What do you think this things mean? I dreamed of an ice machine In the dream I dragged the machine To the remote ends of the world From one hot spot to the next The spots being populated entirely by brown skinned babies Who while seemingly very young were in fact extremely old These beautiful and innocent children with their knowing eyes And their wild erotic dances DID NOT WANT MY ICE MACHINE! Yes, yes, said the angels, and were you displeased? I was, they'd best beware. They'd best take care. Well the angels who'd hung around And dreamed their dreams for eternity They schemed their schemes, clapped and said, Dick! You are the one. You are! Yes, I am. Yes, you are. Yes, I am. Yes, you are.<hr></blockquote> he's back i oz now as far as i know, doing film at the uni in melbourne i think. really really cool and smart guy. miss his music. anyway the lyrics are off their 1990 album "Paradise Discotheque." you can listen to it <a href="http://www.mute.com/releases/viewRelease.jsp?id=25160">here</a>. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=jc@rigorousintuition>jc</A> at: 8/7/06 7:57 am

by **Joe Hillshoist** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 10:17 am

You see me in a foreign face In ships that sink without trace In your father's doubt Will he praise or shout? Behind the burning cross Begrudged imagined loss When you run to me, run to me, run to me You try to fly, but you cannot fly You try to hide, but I'm by your side You run from me, run from me, run from me I am the adversary I am the adversary I am the adversary I am your foe I go where you go Between ideals and fact Between the thought and the act You sink without trace Grow to hate your face Will you sell all you own To sit in a shadow by a throne Will you run to me, run to me, run to me? You try to fly, but you cannot fly You try to hide, but I'm by your side You try to run from me, run from me, run from me I am the adversary I am the adversary I am the adversary I am your foe I go where you go I love this song, especially the bit that comes after these lyrics. Dick! You are the one. You are! Yes, I am. Yes, you are. Yes, I am. Yes, you are. Stunning. It was a strange time tho. Like there were two worlds side by side, this one and one that could have been or something. Fuck you yama, shitsu tonka and the end of history. Been too long since I have seen Daas Kapital too. Wow that would have been wild in berlin tho. I haven't seen nick cave for a while, since the early 90s. Who was your fave aussie songwriter? Not Ed K? And did you ever get into the Triffids? <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Well I spoke to a man who said he's done it all and the only thing that pleases or excites him now Is hurting, hurting, hurting and hurting some more.<hr></blockquote> So much for the worlds problems, lets talk music.

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