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Postby bvonahsen » Thu Aug 10, 2006 1:07 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I'm waiting for someone to point out that getting or mixing liquid explosives is one thing but igniting them, quite another<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>umm.... actually it's the other way around since what you'd be making is nitro glycerine. The problem is how <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>not</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> to blow yourself up prematurely. The way it was described in Chertof's presser is that they planned to bring the chemicals in seperately and mix them onboard. Then maybe use a watch as a timer and a couple of batteries as the trigger. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: UK counter-terrorism op foils aircraft explosion plot

Postby AnnaLivia » Thu Aug 10, 2006 1:17 pm

"One thing: I'm really glad that no one is hurt. That feels like a small mercy this morning because we all know that hurting people isn't a barrier to the people involved in this."<br><br>hi ya, Grey.<br><br>sorry to point out that over 3000 children under the age of 5 will be starved to death today...like they do everyday. anybody seen their faces on the teevee news? i hear starvation is a lingering and painful death.<br><br>and 90% of worldwealth will go today, as it does everyday, to 1% of people. anybody seen their 1% faces on the teevee news?<br><br>guess i do know what we're meant not to see. legalized tyranny and slavery of 99% of the world's population. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: UK counter-terrorism op foils aircraft explosion plot

Postby bvonahsen » Thu Aug 10, 2006 1:23 pm

That 1% also won't be affected by this little incident. They would never mix with the proles by taking a commercial flight. That would be almost as bad as taking the bus or a cab. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: UK counter-terrorism op foils aircraft explosion plot

Postby HMKGrey » Thu Aug 10, 2006 1:36 pm

Anna: Obviously, (well, I thought it was obvious) I was referring to tourists on airplanes. <br><br>I'm all too aware of the persistance of starvation, disease and numerous other forms of evil on this planet. You're, um, somewhat condescending to the choir on that one. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: UK counter-terrorism op foils aircraft explosion plot

Postby bvonahsen » Thu Aug 10, 2006 1:40 pm

<!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.boingboing.net/2006/08/07/only_traitors_try_to.html"><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Only traitors try to make us afraid of terrorists</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--></a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>In this mind-blowing, exhaustively researched Cato institute paper by Ohio State University's John Mueller, the case against being afraid of terrorism is laid out in irrefutable logic, backed with credible, documented statistics about terrorism's risks. From the number of fatalities produced by terrorism to the trends in terrorism death to the fact that almost no one has ever died from a military biological agent to the fact that poison gas and dirty bombs in the field do only minor damage -- this paper is the most reassuring and infuriating piece of analysis I've read since September 11th, 2001. <br>The bottom line is, terrorism doesn't kill many people. Even in Israel, you're four times more likely to die in a car wreck than as a result of a terrorist attack. In the USA, you need to be more worried about lightning strikes than terrorism. The point of terrorism is to create terror, and by cynically convincing us that our very countries are at risk from terrorism, our politicians have delivered utter victory to the terrorists: we are terrified. <br><br>Much of the current alarm is generated from the knowledge that many of today's terrorists simply want to kill, and kill more or less randomly, for revenge or as an act of what they take to be The shock and tragedy of September 11 does demand a focused and dedicated program to confront international terrorism and to attempt to prevent a repeat. But it seems sensible to suggest that part of this reaction should include an effort by politicians, officials, and the media to inform the public reasonably and realistically about the terrorist context instead of playing into the hands of terrorists by frightening the public. What is needed, as one statistician suggests, is some sort of convincing, coherent, informed, and nuanced answer to a central question: "How worried should I be?" Instead, the message the nation has received so far is, as a Homeland Security official put (or caricatured) it, "Be scared; be very, very scared -- but go on with your lives." Such messages have led many people to develop what Leif Wenar of the University of Sheffield has aptly labeled "a false sense of insecurity."<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/regv27n3/v27n3-5.pdf">PDF</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: UK counter-terrorism op foils aircraft explosion plot

Postby Seamus OBlimey » Thu Aug 10, 2006 2:05 pm

It'll be laughed out of court in a few months.. wait and see.. just cops overreacting to their bosses needs.<br><br>It's not like we didn't see it coming.<br>.<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm10.showMessage?topicID=5342.topic">Dirty Bombers</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Postby Et in Arcadia ego » Thu Aug 10, 2006 2:11 pm

Shwartzeneger just got his groove on with this crap..California's national guard has been activated. <p>____________________<br>Some are born to sweet delight, some are born to endless night.</p><i></i>
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Postby dugoboy » Thu Aug 10, 2006 3:11 pm

Bush: "Islamic Fascists"<br><br>me: "....hahahahAhaha"<br><br>the only advice i can give is that darkness has a texture just as much as lightness. <p>___________________________________________<br>"BUSHCO aren't incompetent...they are COMPLICIT." -Me<br><br>"Speaking the Truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act" -George Orwell</p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=dugoboy@rigorousintuition>dugoboy</A> at: 8/10/06 1:13 pm<br></i>
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Re: UK counter-terrorism op foils aircraft explosion plot

Postby AnnaLivia » Thu Aug 10, 2006 3:15 pm

pardon me all to hell for my constant focus on the biggest picture and my determination to face ALL of reality in order to make myself as happy and safe as possible. please excuse my inability to be distracted by a million machined distractions aimed at me. i really shouldn't be such a response-able person. it has only lead me to knowledge of the root cause of terrorism, tyranny, etc. - and the wisdom to grasp what the essential solution is.<br><br>didn't mean to suggest that the choir of oh-so-precious information warriors needs to "sing a better song".<br><br>or did i? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: UK counter-terrorism op foils aircraft explosion plot

Postby nomo » Thu Aug 10, 2006 5:00 pm

<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Bush seeks political gains from foiled plot</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>by Olivier Knox 57 minutes ago<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060810/pl_afp/britainattacksairline_060810185330">news.yahoo.com/s/afp/2006...0810185330</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>US President George W. Bush seized on a foiled London airline bomb plot to hammer unnamed critics he accused of having all but forgotten the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks.<br><br>Weighed down by the unpopular war in Iraq, Bush and his aides have tried to shift the national political debate from that conflict to the broader and more popular global war on terrorism ahead of November 7 congressional elections.<br><br>The London conspiracy is "a stark reminder that this nation is at war with Islamic fascists who will use any means to destroy those of us who love freedom, to hurt our nation," the president said on a day trip to Wisconsin.<br><br>"It is a mistake to believe there is no threat to the United States of America," he said. "We've taken a lot of measures to protect the American people. But obviously we still aren't completely safe."<br><br>His remarks came a day after the White House orchestrated an exceptionally aggressive campaign to tar opposition Democrats as weak on terrorism, knowing what Democrats didn't: News of the plot could soon break.<br><br>Vice President Dick Cheney and White House spokesman Tony Snow had argued that Democrats wanted to raise what Snow called "a white flag in the war on terror," citing as evidence the defeat of a three-term Democratic senator who backed the Iraq war in his effort to win renomination.<br><br>But Bush aides on Thursday fought the notion that they had exploited their knowledge of the coming British raid to hit Democrats, saying the trigger had been the defeat of Democratic Senator Joseph Lieberman of Connecticut by an anti-war political novice.<br><br>"The comments were purely and simply a reaction" to Democratic voters who "removed a pro-defense Senator and sent the message that the party would not tolerate candidates with such views," said Snow.<br><br>The public relations offensive "was not done in anticipation. It was not said with the knowledge that this was coming," the spokesman said.<br><br>Snow said Bush first learned in detail about the plot on Friday, and received two detailed briefings on it on Saturday and Sunday, as well as had two conversations about it with British Prime Minister Tony Blair.<br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong><br>But a senior White House official said that the British government had not launched its raid until well after Cheney held a highly unusual conference call with reporters to attack the Democrats as weak against terrorism.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>An aide to Lieberman, who would have been one of the first Democrats to hear of the plot because he is the top Democrat on the Senate Homeland Security Committee, said the lawmaker first heard of it late Wednesday.<br><br>On Wednesday, Cheney had suggested that Democrats believe "that somehow we can retreat behind our oceans and not be actively engaged in this conflict and be safe here at home, which clearly we know we won't, we can't, be," he said.<br><br>While some Democrats have opposed some steps in the war on terrorism, and more and more are calling for a withdrawal from Iraq, no major figures in the party have called for a wholesale retreat in the broader conflict.<br><br>But Bush's Republicans hoped the raid would yield political gains.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>"I'd rather be talking about this than all of the other things that Congress hasn't done well," one Republican congressional aide told AFP on condition of anonymity because of possible reprisals.<br><br>"Weeks before September 11th, this is going to play big," said another White House official, who also spoke on condition of not being named, adding that some Democratic candidates won't "look as appealing" under the circumstances.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: UK counter-terrorism op foils aircraft explosion plot

Postby HMKGrey » Thu Aug 10, 2006 5:13 pm

So basically, either we're dealing with amateurs here who had been infiltrated by the CIA a long time ago and were simply there to be cherry picked (thus making todays travel chaos redundant) OR the CIA has potentially lined up a heap of amateur patsies that they can monitor and then cherry pick as and when needed. <br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: UK counter-terrorism op foils aircraft explosion plot

Postby Seamus OBlimey » Thu Aug 10, 2006 6:05 pm

wait for it... boom boom !?! <p></p><i></i>
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Re: UK counter-terrorism op foils aircraft explosion plot

Postby Et in Arcadia ego » Thu Aug 10, 2006 6:26 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>didn't mean to suggest that the choir of oh-so-precious information warriors needs to "sing a better song".<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Say what?<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/images/smiles/icon_confused.gif" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--> <p>____________________<br>Some are born to sweet delight, some are born to endless night.</p><i></i>
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Re: UK counter-terrorism op foils aircraft explosion plot

Postby Et in Arcadia ego » Thu Aug 10, 2006 7:12 pm

Man, CNN's really hamming this shit up on their website...<br><br> <p>____________________<br>Some are born to sweet delight, some are born to endless night.</p><i></i>
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Re: UK counter-terrorism op foils aircraft explosion plot

Postby HMKGrey » Thu Aug 10, 2006 8:19 pm

AnnaLivia said:<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>i really shouldn't be such a response-able person. it has only lead me to knowledge of the root cause of terrorism, tyranny, etc. - and the wisdom to grasp what the essential solution is.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Well, Anna, if you know so much, perhaps you might enlighten the rest of us, humble though we are? <p></p><i></i>
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