Lockdown the Borders and Commence the Roundup

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Thanks Thumperton

Postby Inanna » Wed Oct 19, 2005 6:11 pm

Thanks a lot for all that info. I guess if it's on Wikepedia, it looks pretty official. I wonder why more people don't know about this. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :\ --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/ohwell.gif ALT=":\"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>I heard an interview with Al Cuppett. He's pretty believable. <p></p><i></i>
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darn

Postby AnnaLivia » Wed Oct 19, 2005 6:59 pm

quote: "If people are convinced that illegal immigrants aren't taking jobs away from US citizens..."<br><br>i'm thinking our rhetoric/language/word-usage (how ironic i'm not sure what word to use) ...builds perspective. no one is denying that illegal immigrants are getting jobs, but to phrase it as above, to me, is part of the problem. it assumes power where it isn't, and ignores power where it is. it's how power hides from us. i'm not ascribing any motive at all, to say that this is exactly what i'm talking about in my original post. <br><br>there's only so much focus to go around, if you know what i mean. we must stop letting the real perps keep us focusing on what are truly, in a comparative big picture, the miniscule un-justices, while they pull off the great ones. this is their formula to keep us from uniting, cuz it's only the smallfry who "pull off the minor thefts".<br><br>like mingy said once, why go after any thief, if you're leaving the worst ones alone?<br><br>they will defend organized capital until the cows come home, and all we have to do is stop the double standard for labor.<br><br>organized labor means the world's wealth for the world's workers.<br><br>get it?<br><br>and boy if now ain't an opportune time to focus people like a lazer on the magnificent injustices, i don't know when anybody thinks a better time is coming. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Thanks Thumperton

Postby thumperton » Wed Oct 19, 2005 6:59 pm

The NWO means to take the US as a prize, and they've achieved their long term goal of putting almost all American troops on foreign soil, and foreign troops in the US.<br><br>I worry about the brutatilty of these soldiers, especially the Chinese, when they are finally loosed onto Canada and the US to maintain 'order' in the event of government promulgated calamity. <br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v709/raichu4u/sadsmiley.gif" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=thumperton@rigorousintuition>thumperton</A> at: 10/19/05 5:01 pm<br></i>
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Re: Lockdown the Borders and Commence the Roundup

Postby Iroquois » Wed Oct 19, 2005 7:05 pm

This is a little off topic, but my idea has long been that if we can't freely move around as we wish, we should at least be free to do with our citizenship as we wish. If the idea(l) is that we own our country and not the other way around, we should likewise own our citizenship and be able to sell or trade it as we see fit. Maybe some old Detroiter wants to retire to Mexican sun and scenenery while some young Mexican just leaving school wants to head north to make some dough. Let 'em trade papers and trade places I say.<br><br>As for the jist of this thread, I doubt my sleep deprived head could come up with anything meaningful to add to what's already been said. But, I I'll second the comment someone posted earlier that this is more likely about keeping people in than out. There is no long term plan to carry on the American Dream. The US is a use it lose it resource to be pumped dry by the PTB. Maybe they'll headquarter their new empire (t)here, but it'll be on the ashes of the old. Once people realize this..well, I suppose some already have. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: re: Eight steps to destroy America

Postby chiggerbit » Wed Oct 19, 2005 7:34 pm

That Eight Steps to Destroy America is one of the most chilling things I have read. I think I'm going to have to work on writing the "Eight Steps to Turning People Into Willing Slaves". I already have several steps in mind.<br><br>Step One: Keep the intended population minimally employed and desperate in order to keep them hungry. <br><br>Step Two: Keep them hungry enough that they keep fighting amongst themselves so as to determine who has the God-given right to eat and who doesn't have the right to eat, but not so hungry that they die. <br><br>Step Three: Keep them stupid and uninformed, such as through mind-numbing technology as reality TV and dumbed-down schools that teach to the lowest common denominator that spends more time on testing than it does on teaching. <br><br>Step Three: Threaten to eat their children. Most people will do anything to protect their children. Dumbed down people will believe anything.<br><br>Step Four: Blame the Jews. Everybody will believe that, no work involved there.<br><br>Step Five: If the "Blame the Jews" plan is less than successful, blame the Mexicans. Ditto.<br><br>Step Six: Tell them it is for their own good.<br><br>Step Seven: Keep the barriers up between the cultures, religions, languages. If they ever figure out what you are doing to them, they might gang up on you and have another French Revolution.<br><br>Step Eight: Demean them, convincing them they are unworthy, by sexually and physically abusing them. <br><br>See? That wasn't so hard.<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=chiggerbit@rigorousintuition>chiggerbit</A> at: 10/19/05 5:38 pm<br></i>
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Re: Lockdown the Borders and Commence the Roundup

Postby Iroquois » Wed Oct 19, 2005 7:34 pm

I forgot to add, when I think of roundup, the image I get is more of press gangs than removal. Deportation, I'm sure, will be deferred for those willing to enlist in military service. And, "temporay" deportation centers will become forced servitude work camps as "diplomatic and logistic" issues make actual deportation next to impossible and (insert hardship of the day) makes letting anyone just stay for free too much of a drain on the good 'ol American taxpayers. A few well crafted news stories about the tragedies befalling the token few who actually were dumped into their countries of origin could further help sell the camps to US public. <p></p><i></i>
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endgames

Postby Homeless Halo » Wed Oct 19, 2005 9:22 pm

I hate to side in the far paranoia regions on this, but it seems to be getting ridiculous and even, well, unlikely.<br><br>As far as camps go, well, there is at least one just a couple hours north of me. They fly UN flags. Rail ways. Etc. All real. Well documented. <br><br>Scary as fuck. I've heard all sorts of stories. I don't know what to believe, but the camp itself is real, but looked mostly deserted when I saw it, maybe five, six years ago.<br><br><br>An extremely paranoiac fiend/friend of mine suggested that the attacks on the Yucatan are to soften the remainer of the Maya (lots dead in Guatemala too), as the prelude to an invasion from "Star Demons" at Christmas 2012. <br><br>While this idea is fascinating, I think that Star Demons would be a vast improvement. I'd prefer Morgoth to Sauron. <br><br>Anyhow, the Maya Star Demons are (according to the Maya) vulnerable to sticks and rocks.<br>Therefore: I doubt they'll last very long.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: endgames

Postby chiggerbit » Wed Oct 19, 2005 11:02 pm

Oh, yes, for MY 8 step plan, I forgot a ninth step, don't let them intermarry. Heaven firbid that they come to have grandchildren in common. FORBID, FORBID, FORBID!!!!! <p></p><i></i>
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Another spin

Postby Sweejak » Thu Oct 20, 2005 2:25 am

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.voicesmag.com/Archives/dougherty/cafta_nafta_redux_immigration_101905.htm">www.voicesmag.com/Archive...101905.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>CAFTA: NAFTA Redux on Immigration<br>By Jon E. Dougherty<br>19 October 2005<br><br>| Voices Magazine | I knew it wouldn't be long before supporters of the the Central American Free Trade Agreement touted it as a means to slow illegal immigration. I wasn't disappointed.<br><br>Earlier this month, U.S. Rep. Henry Cuellar, D-Texas, said passage of CAFTA will bring about a "rising tide of prosperity" across the region, telling attendees of the Border Trade Alliance conference in San Antonio people in Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Costa Rica and the Dominican Republic will now stay home in droves rather than continue to flock illegally into the United States.<br><br>Cuellar was seconded by none other than embattled House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Texas, who said, "It is in the national interest that CAFTA passes. It is good for our national security in supporting these fledgling democracies at our back door. It is good for our effort against illegal immigration. It is good for our economy."<br><br> Their rosy assessments were echoed by George Ramon, director of the McAllen-Hidalgo-Reynosa International Bridge and an executive committee member for the Border Trade Alliance, a non-profit U.S.-Mexico-Canada trade organization, who says the trade agreement will allow the CAFTA countries to “send more product so that they don’t send people.”<br><br>"Trade has truly transformed the United States," Cuellar gushed. "It has truly transformed the border." No truer words have been spoken.<br><br>DeLay, a House member hailing from the border state with arguably the largest illegal immigration problem of all four border states, should know better than to make such inane pronouncements about CAFTA. But as a Republican, he is a knee-jerk free trader, any harm to American workers notwithstanding.<br><br>Since the passage of the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), which is CAFTA's older brother, the U.S. has ran consistent trade deficits with Mexico and Canada, the two countries included in the agreement. While U.S. exports to these countries has doubled since 1993, imports to the U.S. have climbed by 173 percent, from $151 billion to $412 billion. "As a result," writes CNN host Lou Dobbs, "the trade deficit with Canada and Mexico has ballooned from $9.1 billion in 1993 to $110.8 billion last year." At the same time, some 900,000 American jobs have vanished as U.S. employers sought cheaper labor markets, mostly south of the border, he says.<br><br>There is nothing to suggest the very same things will not happen under CAFTA, as a simple, sobering look at some economic data will prove.<br><br>The combination of gross domestic product of all the CAFTA countries is about $85 billion - only slightly larger than the economy of New Haven, Conn. and one-fifth that of New York City. With a total U.S. gross domestic product of $11 trillion annually, just how is this trickle of cash supposed to be such a big boon to America?<br><br>But it's not about earning, it's about generating opportunity, right? If that's the case, after a decade of NAFTA and the relocation of a large swath of U.S. manufacturing to south of the border, how come illegal immigration from Mexico is at an all-time high? Since NAFTA, the illegal immigration population in the U.S. has soared from around 8 million to, some estimates say, as many as 15 million. It has gotten so bad three of four governors of border states have declared emergencies along their southernmost boundaries or announced major initiatives to step up border enforcement and security.<br><br>"Proponents of NAFTA said it would stop the flood of illegal immigration from Mexico by creating a robust middle class," says a CAFTA policy paper by U.S. Rep. Sherrod Brown, D-Ohio. "However, millions of Mexicans continue to cross the border in search of a better life. In fact both the US and Mexican government data show undocumented immigration from Mexico has soared since NAFTA.<br><br>He says that, according to statistics from the Pew Hispanic Center, 260,000 illegal<br>immigrants from Mexico entered the U.S. each year from 1990 to 1994. "After NAFTA's passage, that number rose to 400,000 per year from 1995 to 1999," he said. "And in the last four years, that figure has risen to 500,000 illegal immigrants entering the U.S. per year."<br><br>Clearly, then, CAFTA can't be about stopping illegal immigration anymore than NAFTA was. Companies that relocate to Mexico and beyond do so because labor is dirt cheap, which is the norm for third-world countries; illegal immigration has continued because despite the higher cost of living in the U.S., rates of pay and overall economic opportunities are vastly better here than at home. So, in essence, NAFTA and CAFTA are creating a sort of economic paradox in which the U.S. finds itself in a lose-lose situation.<br><br>"Americans know a bad trade deal when they see one," adds Ernest Baynard, executive director of Americans for Fair Trade. "They've already had to live through one for 10 years under NAFTA."<br><br>Amen. As Pat Buchanan notes, all this NAFTA-CAFTA stuff is really just about placating U.S. corporate interests. "To a transnational corporation, how a politician stands on quotas, abortion or school prayer is irrelevant, so long as he or she supports the right of big business to shut down plants in the United States, where the minimum wage is near $40 a day, and open plants in Mexico, where the minimum wage is about $3 a day," he wrote in 1997.<br><br>Don't get me wrong; I'm a conservative and capitalist through and through. But unlike the neo-con wing of today's Republican Party, I don't believe siding with corporations at all costs to U.S. workers is in the long-term best interests of the country. As Buchanan notes, "At bottom, what NAFTA and [similar agreements] are all about is the steady transfer of wealth from industrial America and its workers to a new financial elite."<br><br>House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., and I agree about 0.001 percent of the time but she is right in regards to CAFTA when she said in July, "Trade alone, devoid of basic living and working standards, has not, and will not, promote security, nor will it lift developing nations out of poverty. Our national security will not be improved by exploiting workers in Central America."<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <p></p><i></i>
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