500 afghan civilians killed so far this year..

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500 afghan civilians killed so far this year..

Postby bigearth » Thu Oct 09, 2008 10:28 am

"way to go", er "war OF terror"..borat was wrong?

americans: shoot first, deny the result first, when you can't get out of it, apologise, but don't ever change. jus keep blastin' away...


US admits Afghan civilian deaths

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The US military had claimed dozens of Taliban fighters were among those killed [AFP/AFGHAN POLICE]

Far more civilians and children were killed in several US air raids on a village in Afghanistan in August that was first acknowledged, a US military investigation has concluded.

US officials had maintained only about seven civilians had died in the attacks on Azizabad in western Afghanistan on August 22.

The Afghan government and UN officials said at the time about 90 had been killed.

"Our investigation determined approximately 55 persons were killed - 33 civilian and 22 anti-coalition militants" a summary of an investigation by US brigadier general Michael Callan, released on Wednesday, disclosed.

Videos showed the bodies of 12 children, three women and eight men were laid out for burial in the village mosque the day after the fighting, the report said.

The incident brought angry recriminations from Hamid Karzai, the Afghan president, and added to fears that support for the US military in Afghanistan was being further undermined by repeated cases of civilian casualties at the hands of US-led forces.

'Self defence'

But the Callan report defended the actions of the US and Afghan forces involved in the incident as "necessary and proportional ... self-defence ... based on the information the on-scene commander had at the time" it said.

The commander had been informed dozens of fighters were holding a meeting in the village, which led to the attack.

"US and Afghan forces did not commit any violations of the law of war or rules of engagement," the report concluded.

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Karzai told villagers that those responsible would be punished [EPA]

The lists of dead villagers obtained by Afghan and UN officials that showed that 90 civilians were killed "are unsubstantiated," the report said.

Three men were arrested days after the raids after allegedly providing "wrong information" to US and Afghan forces.

The arrests followed a police investigation into the incident after villagers said US-led forces in Afghanistan had been fed false information about the presence of Taliban members in Azizabad following a tribal dispute, according to interior ministry officials.

President Karzai sacked two senior Afghan army commanders over the incident and pledged to punish those responsible.

Tribal dispute

Locals told Al Jazeera at the time that the air raid hit a memorial service at a compound belonging to Reza Khan, a tribal leader who had been in dispute with Nader Tawakal, another local leader.

"We were holding a prayer ceremony when the bombs started to fall ... it was heavy bombardment. The whole village was on fire and about 90 were killed," Abdul Rasheed, the brother of one of the dead, said.

Villagers denied that the gathering was a meeting of the Taliban, which has been fighting Afghan and international forces since being forced from power in 2001.

More than 500 civilians have been killed during military operations by foreign and Afghan forces so far this year, according to the Afghan government and some aid groups.

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/ameri ... 13657.html
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Postby bigearth » Thu Oct 09, 2008 10:33 am

just wanted to highlight this:

this is an afghan MP telling us how to conduct military operations, because the commanders we got right now (americans and to a lessor extent british) are fucking idiots and don't seem to understand this.

there is an old infantry saying "there's no substitute for boots on the ground". i get fed up with what seemingly has become pussy infantry too scared to engage enemy troops and instead rely on airstrikes to pummel the way ahead, then walk in and see what you killed (in this case, amongst other stuff, 50 children and 19 women).

not that i could be in the infantry, i'm not man enough and infantry also should get all the best gear, like bullet proof outfits, close radar support, the best attack vehicles etc etc.

zpigs wrote:Daoud Sultanzoy, an Afghan MP, told Al Jazeera that Nato should not rely on air attacks when the Taliban are in villages and civilian areas.

"With either good or bad intelligence, the most important lesson to learn from this is that we need to rely more on ground troops," he said.

"Since Nato and the coalition don't have these troops, the reliance on air support is greater. So, if they can increase their ground operations it would probably alleviate some of these problems."

"[The Taliban] don't have offices," he said. "This is a civilian house. And regretfully, when a bombing takes place - an aerial bombing, or any kind of smart bombing - definitely, you will have these kind of regretful casualities."


http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia/ ... 32758.html
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