Border TROUBLE/TERROR with Mexico ???

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Border TROUBLE/TERROR with Mexico ???

Postby bamabecky » Sun Feb 05, 2006 9:41 pm

I apologize in advance if this is difficult to read - don't know how to make that better YET!<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Does anybody have a clue what is happening on the border? </strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> On RBNLive.com I heard there were German Troops at Alamegordo (SP?) and many thousands (48,000 American's I guess) at El Paso. Anyone know anything about this? Rumors?? Then there was the Scarborough Country report on a Invaision<br><br><br>The Mexican Border <br>Via MSNBC's Scarborough Country January 30th transcript:<br>Is a dangerous South American gang planning attacks along the U.S.-Mexican border? Well, that's a shocking report from California and a newspaper that has obtained secret U.S. government documents. According to a captured member of a deadly drug cartel, there's a secret attack planned and it's a plan that calls for members of the gang to gather in Mexican border towns, and then attack the United States using the same route they use to smuggle drugs. <br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11116179/" target="top">www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11116179/</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>then this from a blog:<br><br>DHS Hides Planned Mexican Invasion of US <br>Monday night, Jan. 30. Scarborough Country. Sara Carter of the Inland Valley Daily Bulletin is interviewed, and she alleges that there are plans for a major invasion of the US by Mexican drug gangs in order to control the border, and that they plan to kill border and local police wholesale. What is really appalling is that Homeland Security knew and didn't even bother to tell - anyone.<br><br>That's right. Our 'friends' to the south have made plans to actually invade the southwest in order to wipe out local police and border security, using a drug gang called MS-13. It seems that Homeland Security also knew about this plan (she got the information from DHS documents!), and 'somehow' failed to notify any of the cops who were going to be attacked. It is also alleged that Mexican military units have been making armed incursions into our territory for several years at least, to support the drug runners. I have been unsuccessful at finding the video of the interview posted as yet, but I'll link it when I do. Meanwhile, here and here are a few of the details as published in the Inland Valley Daily Bulletin.<br><br>How does this happen? First, how does Mexico even THINK they dare attack us on our own soil? (Oh, yeah, our entire army is in Iraq, and so are the Guard units. Bush has cut funds to cops and border security. Result - no defense capability.) Second, why does Dept. of Homeland Security find out about this, and not even tell the locals to get ready? (They work for Bush, our 'chief executive', so ask him.) Why does it take an investigative reporter to find this out?<br><br>Here's my idea about why: DHS is under the conrol of Chertoff, who is one of Bush's pocket pets. Aggressive action to protect our border with Mexico would go against Bush's Guest Labor policy and his amnesty for illegals program. (Look what France got from their Guest Worker policy - 15 million muslims who now threaten civil war if France's secular laws are applied to them. Rioting, arson, murder. And look at Germany's problems with their millions of Gast-Arbiters. Same thing. Holland too.) It would also mean actually protecting the border so that Al-Qaeda couldn't be sending guys in wholesale as they are doing. It would result in that long fence that Pat Buchanan wanted, and make Bushie look bad for having failed to protect the border for 5 years. For his, you know, pre-9-11 thinkipating. But he'll be reading a book to some kindergarten class in Maine when it happens.<br><br>In other words, this military attack by Mexican gangs would work to support Bush's Keep America Afraid Agenda. It's a damned shame when the citizens can't depend on their government to keep them safe because it's not to the administration's advantage.<br> <br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://dissent.blogspot.com/2006_01_29_dissent_archive.html#113871695632061765" target="top">dissent.blogspot.com/2006_01_29_dissent_archive.html#113871695632061765</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>appreciate any information - Thank You!<br>Bama <p>Be the Media! Write a personal essay to your friends and family, telling them what's going on and tell them how and where to find more info.</p><i></i>
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Re: Border TROUBLE/TERROR with Mexico ???

Postby Nonny » Mon Feb 06, 2006 1:20 am

Hi Becky,<br>Holloman Air Force Base is about 10 miles west of Alamogordo, New Mexico. This is where the German Troops are stationed since 1996. And this was negotiated by Bush (#1) and his Defense Secretary, Dick Cheney.<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/1996/vo12no13/vo12no13_luftwaffe.htm" target="top">www.thenewamerican.com/tna/1996/vo12no13/vo12no13_luftwaffe.htm</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br><br>June 24, 1996<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Luftwaffe Invades New Mexico</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>by John F. McManus <br><br>On May 1st, Secretary of Defense William Perry took part in a ceremony at New Mexico's Holloman Air Force Base marking the official opening of a German military installation there. The facility is the first permanent military installation established in the United States by a foreign nation. <br><br>As a demonstration of the uniqueness of this arrangement, Secretary Perry and New Mexico Governor Gary Johnson were welcomed to the installation by German Defense Minister Volker Ruehe. Where our own officials would ordinarily do the welcoming of dignitaries from a foreign nation at a stateside military base, the German Defense Minister did the greeting on this occasion. <br><br>Of course, half a century earlier the reception would have been very different, with the Luftwaffe paying the price in blood in order to gain "access" to U.S. air space. <br><br>The unit, commanded by Colonel Eckard Sowada of the German Air Force, is already home to 12 European-built Tornado strike fighter planes. Approximately 300 German military personnel are stationed there, along with their families. Germany will add another 30 Tornados, 600 more military personnel, and additional family members by 1999. Germany will pay the U.S. $40 million annually until 1999, and $100 million annually thereafter. <br><br>While it is true that German military personnel have trained in the United States for decades, all have previously served under the command of U.S. officers. German pilots have learned to fly F-104G Starfighters at Luke Air Force Base in Arizona and F-4F and F-4E Phantom jets at George Air Force Base in California. <br><br>The newly created facility at Holloman will house aircraft bearing the German Maltese cross. Colonel Sowada will be reporting directly to superiors within his own nation's armed forces, with no American in his chain of command. His immediate boss is General Gerd R. Meyer, who heads the German Armed Forces Command for the United States and Canada from an office in Reston, Virginia, just outside Washington. <br><br>While our own officials liken this arrangement to the 40-year presence of U.S. military bases within Germany, they ignore the central question of whether or not the U.S. should continue to station troops in Germany and other faraway lands. Why should the U.S. taxpayers continue to offset the defense budgets of Germany and Japan? Why not station German soldiers on German soil and American soldiers on American soil? The present arrangement makes perfect sense, however, if the development of a new world army is the goal. <br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Pentagon officials sought to sidestep any criticism of the Clinton Administration over the German base at Holloman by pointing out that the agreement was negotiated by President Bush and his Defense Secretary, Dick Cheney. Chief Pentagon spokesman Kenneth Bacon contended: "This should not be portrayed as a German invasion or occupation of U.S. space." At a news briefing, he insisted that "the Germans are tenants at Holloman Air Force Base, which continues to be a U.S. Air Force Base." On the other hand, the Deutshe Presse-Agentur, which does not have to concern itself with playing to an American audience, put a very different spin on the story: "The German and American defence ministers have christened a German military base in the southwestern U.S. desert, the first permanent military installation set up in the United States for a foreign nation."</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> <br><br>U.S. spokesmen claim that weather conditions in New Mexico are ideal for pilot training. Also, they note, New Mexico with only 1.5 million people is the same geographic size as Germany with a population of 80 million. All of this means that there is ample space for training missions, even for target ranges. But when pressed by a reporter, Bacon sought to minimize the uniqueness of the arrangement by referring to our nation's long-standing policy of training NATO pilots here. NATO is undoubtedly the overseer of this entire arrangement. <br><br>The creation of an official German base in New Mexico is another step toward the creation of an internationally controlled military force. NATO, a creature of the United Nations, seems earmarked to supply the military arm that the UN has always wanted. While each of the 16 NATO nations wields one-sixteenth of NATO's decision-making authority, Germany and the United States are militarily the alliance's most important members. Having these two NATO powers entangled more tightly will undoubtedly strengthen NATO. <br><br>Secretary Perry and others maintain that having a German base within the U.S. is a sign of great progress. But progress toward what? There is no military threat to this nation that would remotely justify inviting forces from other nations to take up positions within our borders. Even at the height of the Cold War, when our own leaders constantly told us that the Soviet Union was a significant potential adversary, no one suggested that foreign military personnel set up bases here. Now that Germany has been permitted to establish a base within our borders, what's to keep other nations from being invited to do likewise? <br><br>__________________________________<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.holloman.af.mil/media/gaf.html" target="top">www.holloman.af.mil/media/gaf.html</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>GERMAN AIR FORCE FACILITIES INTERNATIONAL COOPERATION</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>The German Air Force has been training its aircrew members in the United States for more than 40 years. This training took place at Luke Air Force Base, Ariz., and then George Air Force Base, Calif., before moving to Holloman Air Force Base in mid 1992.<br><br>German Air Force pilot candidates learn to fly in Texas at U.S. Air Force undergraduate pilot training. Their future backseaters attend undergraduate navigator training at Pensacola, Fla.<br><br>The U.S. Air Force’s 20th Fighter Squadron at Holloman trains German aircrews to fly the F-4F Phantom II. This training is for pilots and weapons systems operators. In addition, the 20th conducts the Fighter Weapons Instructor Course and also trains the instructor pilots needed for this Foreign Military Sales program, both U.S. Air Force and German Air Force. The German government pays the full cost of this program.<br><br>The German Air Force Tactical Training Center activated at Holloman May 1, 1996. With the activation, 300 German military personnel and 12 Tornado aircraft joined Team Holloman. German aircrews come to Holloman for approximately three weeks for advanced tactics training and then return to Germany. The German Air Force also conducts a Fighter Weapons Instructor Course for the Tornado. Aircrews for this course come to Holloman for about six months.<br><br>The Tactical Training Center was redesignated the German Air Force Flying Training Center July 1, 1999 in conjunction with their growing mission. In addition, German Air Force pilots and weapons systems operators are now learning to fly the Tornado at Holloman and instructor aircrews are being trained for the German Air Force. The number of German military personnel will increase to 750 members, plus 120 civilian employees, and the number of Tornados will increase to 42 by April 2001.<br><br>There are numerous reasons the German Air Force trains here. The area offers great flying weather and has suitable air space. Other reasons are the proximity of Holloman to the German Air Force Air Defense School at Ft. Bliss and the centralizing of German aircrew training at a single location. To facilitate this, there is a memorandum of understanding between the two governments.<br><br>The U.S. rates Germany among its strongest allies and one of its partners in NATO. The strength of the alliance with Germany, as well as other European partners, was the cornerstone of victory in the Cold War and is the bedrock of what stability endures over most of Europe today.<br><br>Part of the relationship held with European partners is a shared military strength. It is extremely important for allied armed forces to train together to ensure effectiveness when called upon to serve together. The air campaign against the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia is a good example. Not only did members of the German Air Force fly combat sorties, they also permitted U.S. combat sorties to be launched from Germany.<br><br>Throughout the Cold War, the U.S. maintained a heavy, constant and expensive presence overseas to anchor the continued strength of NATO and stability in Europe. After NATO’s victory in the Cold War, the U.S. people chose not to continue to pay the high costs involved in keeping a peak U.S. presence in Europe, and many forces were brought home. However, as seen in the Balkans today, NATO’s strength still plays a vital role in keeping stability in the region.<br><br>By offering NATO allies the benefits of available space at Holloman as well as the use of the Southwest’s excellent flying weather, the U.S. can help maintain the strength of NATO’s forces without the expense of forward-basing U.S. forces in great numbers overseas.<br><br>For decades, the Germans and other European nations welcomed hundreds of thousands of U.S. military personnel, and the equipment they employed, into their communities because these nations and their people understood the importance of a strong NATO. <br><br>The leadership and people of New Mexico and Alamogordo have shown their understanding of this vital partnership and strongly support these training programs.<br><br>All expenses involved in the Tornado and F-4 programs, including more than $140 million in construction, are paid by the German government. There are no specific costs to U.S. taxpayers associated with either of these programs. All flying operations are subject to the control of Holloman’s host U.S. Air Force commander and are subject to all applicable Air Force and federal regulations and statutes. All activity in military airspace and ranges is controlled by the appropriate U.S. authority for those areas. In addition, while in the U.S., all German military personnel are subject to the laws of the U.S. Government.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Border TROUBLE/TERROR with Mexico ???

Postby marykmusic » Mon Feb 06, 2006 1:33 am

300 German officers is NOT exactly something to get your knickers in a twist, bamabecky. I've been in Alamagordo not too long ago, and saw an overflight of stealth fighters for the first time. Yes, it's the perfect training area because of the wide-open spaces.<br><br>You need to upgrade your news sources. --MaryK <p></p><i></i>
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Thank You Nonny

Postby bamabecky » Wed Feb 08, 2006 3:33 pm

It sounds like things have been that way for some time. As always Nonny I appreciate you professionalism. As for Miss Mary K - my knickers stay in a twist these days (especially reading post like yours). It was a question. I heard it on the radio. Nonny helped me out with a good answer........for which I'm grateful.<br>Bama <p>Be the Media! Write a personal essay to your friends and family, telling them what's going on and tell them how and where to find more info.</p><i></i>
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Knickers

Postby marykmusic » Wed Feb 08, 2006 3:46 pm

Sorry about that, but I've been dealing with people for several years now, reacting with fear and a "Chicken Little" type reaction. A simple question certainly deserved a simple answer, minus the knickers. --MaryK <p></p><i></i>
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Thank You Mary

Postby bamabecky » Wed Feb 08, 2006 4:40 pm

I appreciate your response.<br>Bama <p>Be the Media! Write a personal essay to your friends and family, telling them what's going on and tell them how and where to find more info.</p><i></i>
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Border issues

Postby albion » Wed Feb 08, 2006 4:52 pm

This is a troubling:<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Halliburton subsidiary nets contract amid suspicion</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>By Mason Stockstill, Staff writer<br><br>A Houston-based construction firm with ties to the White House has been awarded an open-ended contract to build immigration detention centers that could total $385 million a move some critics called questionable.<br><br>The contract calls for KBR, a subsidiary of oil engineering and construction giant Halliburton, to build temporary detention facilities in the event of an "immigration emergency," according to U.S. officials.<br><br>"If, for example, there were some sort of upheaval in another country that would cause mass migration, that's the type of situation that this contract would address," said Jamie Zuieback of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.presstelegram.com/search/ci_3458620">www.presstelegram.com/search/ci_3458620</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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