Is the military hatching a new Phoenix chick?

by **chiggerbit** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 10:35 pm

Anybody here remember the horrific psy-op program called the Phoenix Program that had our military engaging in massacres of civilians in Nam? I seem to remember the figure of 20,000 that we killed, old people, women and children, but I could be wrong. As a matter of fact, didn't Bob Kerry, late-coming member (and terrorist) of the 9/11 commission, take part in one of Phoenix's massacres? Recently, accusations have surfaced, claiming that the US military has executed entire families, including numerous women and children/babies. The only reason that I still have doubts that it is a psy-ops, with the purpose of (further) traumatizing the civilian population into "giving up", is that our people have thrown gernades or whatever in the houses as they leave, which would point to a cover-up, rather than an obvious attempt to put fear into the citizens of Iraq. But, what caught my eye was the fact that they bound the hands and blindfolded the people they were about to kill, and they didn't make any effort ot unbind them after they executed them. Odd. Spine chilling. <a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-2103695_2,00.html">www.timesonline.co.uk/art..._2,00.html</a> "...Mahassen said that once the soldiers had left — after apparently dropping several grenades that caused part of the house to collapse — villagers searched under the rubble “and found them all buried in one room”. “Women and even the children were blindfolded and their hands bound. Some of their faces were totally disfigured. A lot of blood was on the floors and the walls.” Khalaf said he had found the body of his mother Turkiya with her face unrecognisable. “She had been shot with a dumdum bullet,” he claimed....." Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=chiggerbit@rigorousintuition>chiggerbit</A> at: 3/26/06 8:16 pm

by **chiggerbit** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 10:44 pm

Does any of this sound familiar, like a haunting refrain? <a href="http://www.thememoryhole.org/phoenix/">www.thememoryhole.org/phoenix/</a> "...Thieu had been elected President of South Vietnam in 1967 by stuffing the ballot boxes and using Phoenix to neutralize his political opponents. He also sabotaged peace negotiations in 1968, based on a promise from Richard Nixon that if he did so, Nixon would give him increased financial and political support. Thieu dutifully sabotaged the negotiations, costing the Democrats the 1968 presidential election. Having stolen his office, like Nixon and Bush, Thieu (again like Nixon and Bush) preferred political internal security over a peaceful settlement that would end the national emergency, suspend all police-state actions (like administrative detention), and allow for majority rule. Thieu's actions led to congressional investigations in February 1970, and the charge in the New York Times (17 February 1970, article by Robert Kaiser) that the CIA had used the Phoenix Program as "an instrument of mass political murder" to neutralize politicians and activists who opposed Thieu or espoused peace. "By analogy," said Representative Ogden Reid (D-NY) in 1971, "if the Union had had a Phoenix program during the Civil War, its targets would have been civilians like Jefferson Davis or the mayor of Macon, Georgia." During the 1970 Congressional hearings, Senator Clifford Case asked William Colby if the Phoenix Program might be used "by ambitious politicians against their political opponents, not the Viet Cong at all." Said Colby, "It is our impression that this is not being used substantially for internal political purposes." Senator William Fulbright then asked Colby, "Where is Mr. Dzu, the man who ran second in the last election?" Colby replied, "Mr. Dzu is in Chi Hoa jail in Saigon." Fulbright asked Colby to reconcile that with his statement that Phoenix was not being used for political purposes. Colby calmly said that Dzu was not arrested under the Phoenix Program but under a provision that made it a crime to propose the formation of a coalition government with the Communists. Colby dazzled the Committee with his disinformation, and New York Times reporter Tom Buckley sarcastically observed: "The Senate Foreign Relations Committee may have been confused by last week's testimony on Operation Phoenix." Indeed, attempts to portray Phoenix as legal and moral were transparent public-relations gimmicks meant to buy time while Thieu consolidated power before the cease-fire. To ensure Thieu's internal security, CIA officers willingly betrayed their penetration agents, and this capacity for treachery and deceit is what really defined American policy in regard to Phoenix. Republican Senators, following the party line, viewed Phoenix as perfectly executed, legal, moral, and popular. The other, more accurate view, articulated by Senator Fulbright, is that Phoenix was "a program for the assassination of civilian leaders....'" <a href="http://www.serendipity.li/cia/operation_phoenix.htm">www.serendipity.li/cia/op...hoenix.htm</a> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Hey, this (following) is an interesting clip on a book that connects up to my concerns about John DeCamp (on another thread), as he worked as a part (pencil-pusher?) of the Phoenix program under his buddy, William Colby, the man DeCamp would have a hand in getting appointed years and years later to investigate the Franklin conspiracy: <a href="http://intellit.muskingum.edu/vietnam_folder/vietnamphoenix.html">intellit.muskingum.edu/vi...oenix.html</a> Colby, William E., with James McCarger. Lost Victory: A Firsthand Account of America's Sixteen-Year Involvement in Vietnam. Chicago: Contemporary Books, 1989. [pb] 1990. The title sends a clear message of Colby's theme. The former DCI was convinced that mistakes, both of omission and of commission, made in the White House and by the military cost the United States a victory in Vietnam. For Valcourt, IJI&C 3.4, Colby's book "should have been the definitive insider's guide to the intelligence side of the Vietnam conflict. Perhaps not so surprisingly he has fallen short." Colby's explanation of how he developed the Phoenix Program "is inadequate because he fails to delve deeply enough into his own frame of mind.... Despite its shortcomings,... [this is] an informative book, giving numerous personal insights of a sad and controversial period in American history." Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=chiggerbit@rigorousintuition>chiggerbit</A> at: 3/26/06 10:03 pm

by **lilorphant** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 1:36 am

I guess we would understand better, if we had an idea of who these families were, the ones bound and killed in Iraq.

by **chiggerbit** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 2:21 am

I don't understand. You need to know the names of these Iraqis? It appears that the victims were the brother and brother's family of a man by the name of Issa Harat Khalaf of the town of Abu Sifa. <a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-2103695_1,00.html">www.timesonline.co.uk/art..._1,00.html</a>

by **4911** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 8:21 am

well, the goal of the phoenix program was designed to make it look like it was the viet cong who were killing these people- It was used to make the VC look like bloodthirsty pricks who killed their own people. They would kill them, cut out their livers and cover their corpses with flour - this in buddhism means that the soul cant go to buddha heaven. Scared the living crap out of the villagers. Usually the targets were village chiefs and people who had some political leverage.

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