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The Right to own Homer Simpson as a Pet

Postby Gouda » Fri Mar 03, 2006 12:56 pm

Deep doggie doo. <br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11611015/">www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11611015/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Study: America more familiar with cartoon family than First Amendment<br><br>Updated: 1:22 a.m. ET March 1, 2006<br><br>CHICAGO - Americans apparently know more about “The Simpsons” than they do about the First Amendment.<br><br>Only one in four Americans can name more than one of the five freedoms guaranteed by the First Amendment.<br><br>But more than half can name at least two members of the cartoon family, according to a survey.<br><br>The study by the new McCormick Tribune Freedom Museum found that 22 percent of Americans could name all five Simpson family members, compared with just one in 1,000 people who could name all five First Amendment freedoms.<br><br>Joe Madeira, director of exhibitions at the museum, said he was surprised by the results.<br><br>“Part of the survey really shows there are misconceptions, and part of our mission is to clear up these misconceptions,” said Madeira, whose museum will be dedicated to helping visitors understand the First Amendment when it opens in April. “It means we have our job cut out for us.”<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>The survey found more people could name the three “American Idol” judges than identify three First Amendment rights. They were also more likely to remember popular advertising slogans.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>It also showed that people misidentified First Amendment rights. A<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>bout one in five people thought the right to own a pet was protected</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->, and 38 percent said they believed the right against self-incrimination contained in the Fifth Amendment was a First Amendment right, the survey found.<br><br>The telephone survey of 1,000 adults was conducted Jan. 20-22 by the research firm Synovate and had a margin of error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.<br><br>_________________________________________________________<br><br>Editor's note: The five freedoms guaranteed by the First Amendment are freedom of speech, religion, press, assembly and petition for redress of grievances.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: The Right to own Homer Simpson as a Pet

Postby professorpan » Fri Mar 03, 2006 1:13 pm

Ouch.<br><br>Maybe we need some new "Schoohouse Rock" segments. I still know the beginning words of the Constitution thanks to the song:<br><br>"We the People, in order to form a more perfect union..."<br><br>And I can't help but sing it.<br><br>And remember: 3 is a magic number. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: The Right to own Homer Simpson as a Pet

Postby CyberChrist » Fri Mar 03, 2006 1:26 pm

This is really more of a condemnation on mass media than the American masses to be honest. If you lead a horse to dirty water and he gets sick, don't get mad at the horse. <p>--<br>CyberChrist<br>http://www.hackerjournal.org<br>My brain is hung like a horse.</p><i></i>
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Re: The Right to own Homer Simpson as a Pet

Postby Gouda » Fri Mar 03, 2006 1:32 pm

I got my adverbs there, down at the Schoolhouse Rock. Thought the same thing. <br><br>Seems we need to get copies out, a la Chavez and <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Don Quixote</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->, to everyone. Stack 'em at the dogtrack, at the convenience store counters next to the lottery tickets; mail them to all schoolteachers; offload 'em in the bars & cafes; pile 'em at the checkout counter next to the National Enquirers, fingernail clippers and chapstick...here's your receipt ma'am and your copy of the Bill of Rights. Slip a copy into your colleague's inbox. Fasten your seatbeslts and replace the duty free mags with you know what. <br><br>I'm no constitutionalist libertarian, and this is not the worst or root of our ills by far, but that's ridiculous, though not surprising. I remember another survey not long ago showing that at most middle school/high schoolers do not think the 1st amendment should be protected at all. <br><br>on edit: had spelled 'clippers' wrong. so much for my education <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=gouda@rigorousintuition>Gouda</A> at: 3/3/06 10:33 am<br></i>
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Re: The Right to own Homer Simpson as a Pet

Postby Gouda » Fri Mar 03, 2006 1:54 pm

Cyber C, are you calling me a massive dirty horse? Just kidding. Though i think the horse/masses analogy is not very flattering to the masses either. <br><br>I think the msnbc thing takes a mocking stance contra the public. Very little socio-historical context is given - for example, what is the trend? Did the previous generation have more civic awareness? Which demographic groups fared better? Were there similar studies? No, instead the media mocks our simplicity and ignorance with a simplistic and ignorant brief 'expose' which serves only reinforce our vulgarity and the remind of the media's omnipotent ability to a) dumb us down and b) kindly inform us we have been dumbed down by the media. <br><br>Nevertheless, we've still got a problem here. Edit: why is this "Freedom Museum" taking the initiative on itself?! We need a revolution in education, at minimum. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=gouda@rigorousintuition>Gouda</A> at: 3/3/06 10:58 am<br></i>
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Re: The Right to own Homer Simpson as a Pet

Postby CyberChrist » Fri Mar 03, 2006 2:29 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Cyber C, are you calling me a massive dirty horse? Just kidding. Though i think the horse/masses analogy is not very flattering to the masses either.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I happen to like horses. They are very noble animals, so I wasn't trying to denigrate anyone. I'd find the comparison to be flattering to the masses. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I think the msnbc thing takes a mocking stance contra the public. Very little socio-historical context is given - for example, what is the trend? Did the previous generation have more civic awareness? Which demographic groups fared better? Were there similar studies? No, instead the media mocks our simplicity and ignorance with a simplistic and ignorant brief 'expose' which serves only reinforce our vulgarity and the remind of the media's omnipotent ability to a) dumb us down and b) kindly inform us we have been dumbed down by the media.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>The attitude that I got from the article was that it was a given that the American masses are stupid and ignorant and that this is just another re-inforcement of it. Like I said though, I think the blame should lie at the lap of the mass media, not the people.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Nevertheless, we've still got a problem here. Edit: why is this "Freedom Museum" taking the initiative on itself?! We need a revolution in education, at minimum.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>You certainly can't have a decent democracy without an informed people. <p>--<br>CyberChrist<br>http://www.hackerjournal.org<br>My brain is hung like a horse.</p><i></i>
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Conspiracy Theory Rock!

Postby thurnandtaxis » Fri Mar 03, 2006 3:18 pm

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/video/conspiracy.php">www.albinoblacksheep.com/...piracy.php</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Awesome clip by Robert Smigel aired in 1988 on SNL, but subsequently<br>edited out of re-runs, NBC is kinda "sensitive" don't ya know.<br>( that link is for a realplayer version, here's a quicktime one:<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.devilducky.com/media/29719/">www.devilducky.com/media/29719/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> )<br><br>Also as far as being "dumbed down" by public education,<br>check out the works of John Taylor Gatto:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/index.htm">www.johntaylorgatto.com/index.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=thurnandtaxis>thurnandtaxis</A> at: 3/3/06 12:23 pm<br></i>
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Re: Conspiracy Theory Rock!

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Fri Mar 03, 2006 5:28 pm

THANK YOU, as I scrolled down this thread I prayed someone had that link.<br><br>Just as churches tried to keep youth interested in the Bible by issueing hip language versions, maybe we really do need to publish the Bill of Rights in modern language smelling less like 18th century powdered wigs.<br><br>Because the Bill of Rights has successfully been replaced with the Pledge of Allegiance to 9/11. Omission Accomplished.<br><br>In the 90s when right-wing groups were portrayed as dangerously bitter over Ruby Ridge and Waco, some police departments were issued guidelines to identifying various domestic movements and told to look out for dangerous wackos fixated on the US Constitution.<br><br>Guess reinventing that wheel keeps it from rolling over your neck.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Conspiracy Theory Rock!

Postby nomo » Fri Mar 03, 2006 5:44 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>churches tried to keep youth interested in the Bible by issueing hip language versions<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>A bit of a tangent, but of interest: The dumbing down and brainwashing continues apace.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/02/fashion/thursdaystyles/02rebels.html">www.nytimes.com/2006/03/0...ebels.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>March 2, 2006<br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Rebels With a Cross</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>By JOHN LELAND<br><br>BY phone from Nashville Bryan Norman was talking about rebellion, God and the mullet haircut. Mr. Norman, 26, is the editor of a gothic scripted, visually hyperactive book called "The New Rebellion Handbook," and he took a particular line on the romance of the rebel.<br><br>"Rebellion," he said late last month, "is the truest expression of the fully committed believer in Jesus."<br><br>Anyone looking for the spirit of American counterculture — as a romance, identity or marketing principle — need look no further than the nearest evangelical bookstore, youth ministry or clothing line. A decade and a half after Nirvana's success exposed the strength of secular alt-culture tribes, their evangelical counterparts are having their own coming out in rebel gestures that sometimes recall the early church, sometimes ... well, early Nirvana.<br><br>"There's a charm in being the rebel," said Edmund Gibbs, a professor of church growth at Fuller Theological Seminary and the author of books on alternative Christian culture. Besides, he said, rebellion is consistent with the lessons of the Bible.<br><br>"If evangelicalism means a commitment to the radical doctrine of Jesus, you have to be a subversive. Jesus was a subversive." In the increasingly clamorous Christian marketplace rebellion is where you find it: in full-contact skateboard Bible study groups; in Christian punk, Goth and hip-hop CD's; in evangelical tattoo parlors; in sportswear brands like Extreme Christian Clothing and Fear God; in alt churches or ministries called Revolution, Scum of the Earth and Punk Girl; in a podcast called Xtreme Christianity, which turns out to be a fairly conventional weekly sermon delivered by a Baptist minister in a suburb of Kansas City, Mo.<br><br>The caldron for this rebellion can be grass roots or institutional: the publisher of the rebellion handbook, Thomas Nelson, is among the world's biggest producers of Bibles and inspirational books in English.<br><br>If this rebellion is not exactly the sexy shrug of Marlon Brando in "The Wild One" or of Kurt Cobain in "Smells Like Teen Spirit," the come-on is very much the same. "It's the nonconformist's view of Christianity," Mr. Norman said. For a demographic that is used to being marketed to as rebels, he added, the new rebellion "is really a new installment of the original rebellion." He continued: "It's hearkening back to a raw faith not encumbered by the American dream, enslavement to a career or having to have two kids and a two-car garage. It gets to what's worth living for."<br><br>The claim of a Christian counterculture, which recurs periodically in American Protestantism, cuts in two directions, defining itself as counter to the consumer-driven secular culture and to mainstream church culture. For Shane Claiborne, 30, the author of "The Irresistible Revolution: Living as an Ordinary Radical" (Zondervan), it has meant living for a decade in a monastic community in North Philadelphia, whose members make their own clothing, refrain from sex outside marriage and minister to the homeless and poor.<br><br>When he applies the language of rebellion to his faith, Mr. Claiborne said: "I'm trying to reclaim the language. I think it resonates with people because Christianity has been anything but radical. It's been stale. When you ask people what they think about church, it's sad. But Jesus doesn't have the bad reputation that Christianity has.<br><br>"What we do looks extreme because it's an indictment of the idea of Christianity that so many of us have settled for. When we look at the early church, it was very revolutionary. Jesus sat down to rethink revolution. He was able to set both the oppressed and the oppressors free."<br><br>For historians of faith-based rebellion, the new shagginess strikes a familiar American chord, tapping an anticlerical tradition that dates back to colonial times, when ministers like John Henry Goetschius excoriated high churches for "their old, rotten and stinking routine of religion."<br><br>Larry Eskridge, the associate director of the Institute for the Study of American Evangelicals at Wheaton College in Illinois, compared the current stirrings to the Jesus People, a movement that began in Costa Mesa, Calif., in the late 1960's, borrowing heavily from the hippie counterculture and mixing beach baptisms, conservative theology and grooming habits that were not always welcome in the churches of Orange County.<br><br>Before the Jesus People, evangelicals tended to distance themselves from the more disreputable fads of popular culture, Professor Eskridge said. "The Jesus People began co-opting marketing slogans and utilizing buttons, bumper stickers and posters to their own purposes."<br><br>The difference between that rebellion and the current one, he added, is that the secular counterculture of the 60's, while often hostile to organized religion, was essentially amenable to the young evangelicals' message. The Jesus People simply claimed kinship with the figure in long hair and sandals, recasting pop culture in spiritual terms.<br><br>But more recent secular popular cultures, Professor Eskridge said, are hostile to organized church structures and to rank-and-file evangelicals, who are seen as intolerant. "With the culture wars and the rise of evangelicals generally, you've got a segment of the secular counterculture that has staked out an identity as antievangelical," he said. "So some of what we're seeing now is a movement to claim that turf back."<br><br>In a storefront in the East Village, Kenny Mitchell, 34, leads a small church called Tribe, where he sometimes uses his D.J. equipment at services. Part of being a counterculture, Mr. Mitchell said, means working to counter some of the values that get mass marketed as rebellion, including the Big Three of the old counterculture: sex, drugs and the commercial trappings of rock 'n' roll.<br><br>"I got into punk," Mr. Mitchell said, "because it was saying things that other people weren't saying" — thumbing its nose at "the man." He continued: "Now there is no man. You've got Jay-Z and Donald Trump all on the same team. There's no point being countercultural if those are the alternatives.<br><br>"So we're not against the culture. We're in love with Jesus in this culture. But what we say is counter to the mass media blurb. Hanging out in the Lower East Side with a group of homeboy hip-hopper guys, if you get into their lives, they're not spitting every 50-cent line, they're looking at women or guys without fathers as broken people who need healing. What's countercultural is the elements of their faith, why they're not living the lifestyle of MTV, trying to attain the superstar status with cars and chicks, but working on community and healing."<br><br>Even the Christian rock world, which is an outgrowth of the Jesus People movement, has spawned its own equivalent of the secular indie-rock ethos of the 1990's. Shawn McDonald, 28, an altish acoustic performer, whose biography includes problems with drugs and the law, said his rebellion wasn't against the faith. "If I look at Jesus' life, the things that he did, I see a guy that went against the crowd and did things that were not pretty in a lot of people's eyes. So I feel going against stuff is just what I'm called to do."<br><br>But the popular images of rebellion do not reflect the ways most young people think about their faith, said Christian Smith, a professor of sociology at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill and an author of "Soul Searching: The Religious and Spiritual Lives of American Teenagers" (Oxford University Press), an analysis of interviews and survey data on adolescents.<br><br>"We found most teenagers are not rebellious when it comes to religion," Dr. Smith said. "So the rebellion is quite superficial. It may resonate with teenagers in some way, but I don't think it's tapping into some deep cultural rebellion at all. A lot of it is marketing. Maybe it does grab some people's attention, but it's more product design than deep cultural resonance."<br><br>There is a contradiction perhaps in evangelicals adopting the stance of the rebel outsider at a time when they have more influence and visibility than they have had in generations. But the same was true of radical youths in the 1960's counterculture, who were more affluent and numerically strong than any generation before them.<br><br>Dr. Smith compared the romance of rebellion to the middle-class fascination with hip-hop culture. "Spoiled suburban white kids act like rappers, and there is a real connection to something, but really it's not what their lives are fundamentally about," he said. "Their lives are about wanting to go to Duke University."<br><br>As compelling as the images of rebellion are, they do not in themselves constitute a fully sustaining faith, said Donald Miller, 34, the author of "Blue Like Jazz: Nonreligious Thoughts on Christian Spirituality" (Nelson, 2003), a best seller among young Christians.<br><br>"It's a cart-before-the-horse thing," said Mr. Miller, who frequently speaks to Christian youth groups and works with campus ministries. "If you're a Christian, you need to obey God. And if you obey God, you're going to be seen as a rebel, both within American church culture and popular culture. But that's not the point. The point is to obey God."<br><br>Mr. Norman of "The New Rebellion Handbook" would agree. For all his book's jangly graphics and bite-size lists, the text is heavy on Scripture and not for the uninitiated.<br><br>But he said that even the initiated need to be reached in their own language, which is not necessarily that of the church. "The idea is that we are creating a marriage between the packaging that this audience needs in order to be drawn in and content that transcends the packaging."<br><br>He recalled an image from his younger years, when he wore his hair in a mullet. "In seventh grade that disqualified me from being in certain groups, just because it wasn't cool," he said. "With the 'new rebellion,' we don't want to be disqualified because it isn't cool looking.<br><br>He added: "The packaging is our social collateral, our key to cool. We're allowed in. Its our secret knock."<br><br>But he doubted he would ever wear a mullet again.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Proletariat Poker....

Postby Floyd Smoots » Sat Mar 04, 2006 4:19 am

....I'll see your 3 percent, and raise you 2(?)! I read somewhere, can't remember what "book(?)" right now (not the Bible) that, in the whole world, approximately 5% of the population really knows "what's going on". Sadly, the position of the author was that of that 5%, the division between those who know because they're causing it, and those who know, but don't support it, is about 3.5% who are causing it versus 1.5% who know what they're doing, but still haven't figured out what to do about it. Sounds close to me. We're only down by 35 to 15 folks. Trouble is: it's the fourth quarter, and the "two minute warning" has just been signaled............<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :( --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/frown.gif ALT=":("><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br> <p></p><i></i>
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