A Plan For Global Happiness

[Sweejak]

by David Crosby, Stephen Stills,<br><br>Stills: If you smile at me, I will understand<br>'Cause that is something everybody everywhere does<br>in the same language.<br>Crosby: I can see by your coat, my friend,<br>you're from the other side,<br>There's just one thing I got to know,<br>Can you tell me please, who won?<br>Stills: Say, can I have some of your purple berries?<br>Crosby: Yes, I've been eating them for six or seven weeks now,<br>haven't got sick once.<br>Stills: Probably keep us both alive.<br><br>Wooden ships on the water, very free and easy,<br>Easy, you know the way it's supposed to be,<br>Silver people on the shoreline, let us be,<br>Talkin' 'bout very free and easy...<br>Horror grips us as we watch you die,<br><br>Stare as all human feelings die,<br>We are leaving - you don't need us.<br><br>Go, take your sister then, by the hand,<br>lead her away from this foreign land,<br>Far away, where we might laugh again,<br>We are leaving - you don't need us.<br><br>And it's a fair wind, blowin' warm,<br>Out of the south over my shoulder,<br>Guess I'll set a course and go... <p></p><i></i>

[nigelbest]

if people get much less than others for the same work, they get pissed off, right? some work a lifetime and get $1000; some work a lifetime and get $100,000,000,000, right? everybody just wants more, because some have more [per unit of work], yeah? but the pool of wealth is only as big as the work that makes the wealth, so, if some take out more than they put in, others have to get less than they put in, yeah? in other words, injustice or theft, yeah? so they get mad, working just as hard and getting a fraction of the average, so injustice equals violence, extreme injustice, extreme violence. justice is a virtue because it brings happiness we have extreme injustice so we can increase our happiness [freedom from violence and offshoot problems] enormously the injustice is the cause of the violence only reducing the cause will reduce the violence nobody wants to think about all the people being paid less than us, because we have problems too we need every penny we have for ourselves we feel poor relative to people being paid more per unit of work, so we want to get richer, and we cant afford <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :D --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif ALT=":D"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :D --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif ALT=":D"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :D --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif ALT=":D"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :D --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif ALT=":D"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :D --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif ALT=":D"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> any sympathy for those even worse off than us but as long as pay is going to range over a wide area, everyone is going to be underprivileged compared to some others but if pay is made just, everyone can feel rich, because everyone is getting just as much as everyone else per unit of work <p></p><i></i>

[Oeg C]

Sorry, AnnaL -<br><br>I didn't catch this post earlier. <br><br>Lotteries are based upon the "luck of the draw," not deep science. Science is a law of eventual averages - winners and losers, sure, but the battles are fought on many more levels than than the apparent ones. And "wealth" in a "goods-based" sense is a very precarious measure of victory.<br><br>Economy means, at its root, sustainability and efficiency in achieving the end of survival. Thus, starving the root starves the leaf. And I'm sorry I'm not more articulate right now - it's very late and I'm exhausted. <p></p><i></i>

[billpeace]

situation critical; very close to destruction; request immediate intervention; inequity factor is 1,000,000,000 [one billion] and rising; most powerful species is victim of bigpicture blindness; cannot see the overall situation; this species has weapons capable of destroying entire planet 60 times over; please send emergency response team asap; code 10; need equipment for disabling uranium-based bombs; planet cd burn at any moment; species has very confused and imperfect ideas of value of justice, and of connection of injustice and violence; recommend u send 1000 indestructible teachers; species has driven itself mad; most r vulnerable to psychosis and panic mentality; obedience to custom and convention, submission to accepted ideas is extreme; sense of alarm at situation is extremely slight; recommend extreme caution; planet is worth saving, has some interesting lifeforms [pictures following] <p></p><i></i>

[ZeroHaven]

and people wonder why i avoid the stock market.<br><br>there was so much to read i seem to have missed the actual plan part. that lottery bit read like communism. divide the wealth amongst the workers. the later part about randomly shuffling it around so people randomly get different amounts, i think i'm too dumb to understand that. right now the system is >most work = least pay and least work = most pay<. i didn't see a way to fix that in here, other than eliminating profit margins. i mean specifically, how do determine what a fair amount of pay is for a construction worker or an executive manager.. in order to determine cost of production?<br>---<br>my idea for equal pay is based on energy expended. if someone were to invent a device that counts how much energy you expend at a given task.. base pay off of that.<br>using your brain to work burns energy just like doing physical work, so construction workers and executives who truly make tough decisions could be compared and pay scales set. <p><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a239/ZeroHaven/tinhat.gif"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--></p><i></i>

[billpeace]

the idea of the lottery thing is to show that everyone already understands and agrees [altho they dont understand they do] - that injustice causes proportional violence - if u had a govt that arranged hrly pay rates over a very wide range [from a million times the av to a thousandth the av] every one wd agree that that wd be asking for trouble, very big trouble - obviously u'd hav extreme disturbance of the peace, extreme outrage, extreme acts - well the world is like that - hrly pay rates do range from a million times to a 1000th - believe it or not - so the cause of the world 'disturbance' - bombs and bullets, holocausts and hiroshimas, killing fields and kkk - is the injustice - and why wdnt it be? when money is the key to all necessaries and millions of pleasures, as well as freedom, power, dignity, equality, selfesteem - ---------the significance of proving that everyone in the world agrees, is that the process of getting them to understand and do what is needed to get rid of the cause of violence and near extinction, IS ...by that much the easier, that it gives reason for encouragement that we can get everyone to agree and therefore to act on the basis of that understanding - it means that it is a plan of understanding and agreement, not a plan of force - and, since if everyone who 'gets' it passes it on to just one person a month, everyone in the world will get it in just 30 months, it is possible to get the agreement and the numbers to... push it thro to realisation, actualisation - that is, since it has brought us to the brink of extindctionk!!#$%^&*, since it has caused the growth of war and weaponry for 1000s of yrs, since it is the cause of the death of 50 million every year, and the injury of perhaps 10 times that number [2million sex slaves, x million landmine amputees, 2 million blinded every year], since it is the real cause of all tyranny and slavery, since it is the root source that causes the ceaseless generation of troubles, we will legislate against it - we legislated a long time ago against murder - and we are happy with the law against murder - now we can get smart enough to legislate against something 1000s of times worse - that murders millions - we just hav to get people to see the simple connexion between injustice and violence and extinction - then we can get legislation thru against overpay and underpay - eg, since it is a fact that it happens automatically that some get richer and richer and others poorer and poorer till the resentment is expressed in atomic bombs, we need only take from the most certainly, most extremely overpaid [US$10,000,00 an hr] and give to the most extremely and certainly underpaid 1c an hr] ------ as u say, it is hard to get the exact point of what is pay justice, but we need only deal with the most obvious certain overpay, which will reduce the inequity to a survivable level - then there will be least argument about the justice or otherwise, because, the greater the overpay, the more obvious it is overpay to more people - people think that super wealth is okay, even cool - if they understood how it is theft from the ones who earned it, and is therefore rightly resented, if they understood it impoverishes and generates violence, if, in short, they kneeeew... it was the root of most problems, they will be dead keen to get rid of most problems by getting rid of the cause of most problems - people seem to think that wealth comes by magic, they dont understand that everyone overpaid is sponsored, funded by other people's underpay - the social pool of wealth is made by people's work - if some get out more than they put in, others have to get less <p></p><i></i>

[joeshmoe]

how do we work out in a practical way what is pay justice?---------we go back to basics::::: what is money for? ----a long time ago we got into specialising in our work, for the benefits of specialising in work ----one grows tomatoes, one shoes horses, etc ----that is why we needed to exchange, so everyone gets a bit of everyone's specialisation----this gives us our principle: the first, the prime function of money is to give measure to different works, so that the mixing of special works can happen--------money is supposed to stand for the amount of work i do............to stand for what i sacrifice in working at my speciality so i can get an equal amount of what everyone else sacrifices working at their speciality.......what i sacrifice is mostly time ----if i grow tomatoes all day or cut hair [mostly for others] , i have to get enough to buy the things i wd do myself if i wasnt specialising---i sacrifice some energy, as u see, but the cost of replacing that energy is so small, we can ignore it - a spoonful of glucose -----especially as everyone uses energy in their work ----the cost of calories is small-----what i do lose and cant replace easily is time..............so.......the main factor in pay justice is time spent........we are going to assume that people can get fired if they slack off too much, so noone is slacking much.--------and it is clear noone can work much harder than the average per unit of time-----maybe no more than 10% harder than the average---imagine yrself doing any job and working average hard---how much harder than that can u work? only a little bit;;;;;;;;;;so time is the main thing lost that has to be replaced by money that can be traded for other peoples time working[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[people think that people are paid for other things, like responsibility, merit, talent, business risk, skill,,,,,but they cant be, because there is no measure of these things;;;;;;;;;; and they shouldnt be, because what counts is the time u spend -----everyone should be compensated so they end up with as much goods and services as they wd end up with if they did a bit of everything themselves, multiplied by a factor to share equally in the efficiency-benefit of specialisation;;;;;;;BUT THERE IS AN IMP IN MONEY THAT INTERFERES WITH THIS RIGHTEOUS DISTRIBUTION--everyone's work produces about US$10 of work per hr----but 90% of people get less than $1 an hr-----90% of workers, including housewives and students, get between $1 and 1c per hr------1c per hr!!!!!!!!!!!!--------they wd be much better off in a society where everyone did their own work and there was no specialisation -----then they wd get from their hr's work goods and services worth about $10 [divided by the factor for the efficiency of workspecialisation] -------the IMP IN EXCHANGE [which no economist has seen, simple tho it is] causes money to drift, like sand along a beach, and some [fewer and fewer] get richer and richer and others [more and more people] poorer and poorer---------till the injustice becomes obvious, then there comes disturbance, escalating to nuclear winter [in 20 years, plus or minus 20 years]"""""""""""""" the imp in trading:::::::::::noone knows exactly what anything is worth, ie, how much work is in the goods produced by work---------approximately, but not exactly,,,so,,,,,,,every transaction contains a little shift of equity [=work, wealth] from one person to the other equal to the actual [unknown] difference in the value [work] of the two things-----this perhaps tiny difference, multiplied thru billions of transaction every day for years, is what shifts wealth from earners to nonearners-----many will profit from a few more transactions than they lose from, many will lose from more than they gain from, a few will lose in most transactions, a few will gain from most transactions,;;;;;;;; then money accumulated will become a lever, money will start making money,;;;;;;;;; money is power, so a few will have more power to extract more money, and so, plundering, manipulation of the law, etc, etc-----so, after 1000s of years of this, we have 100hr's work pay from $1 to $1bn-----and the expected extreme disturbance, spoiling life for all, ---------for the overpaid as much as the underpaid, because the more a country or individual has, the more they are under attacks of all sorts, and the more they hav to spend on defence and the quicker they become poor and weak [eg, roman empire, spain in the 16th c, holland in the 17th c, britain in the 19thc, and america in the 20th c -------and japan in the 21st c]----------consider:::::::::the av person works 50 hrs a week;;;;;noone can work more than 100 hrs a week, so noone contributes more than twice the av to the social pool of wealth by their work----------and yet, in our terribly dangerous blindness, we are paying one person a million times the av, and actually thinking of them as shining lights --- the person being paid 10 million an hr can buy a million hrs work in return for his one hr --------in the form of a 10 million house or 10 million kilograms of rice---------but we are looking at wealth the wrong way, so we think that rich people magic their wealth, that they MAKE 'their' wealth, but they rake their wealth-------all 'their' money comes over the counter from people's pockets--------there are many ways permitted in our foolish society that shift money from earners to nonearners--------eg, what henry george saw and explained very well, and people did nothing about, that a person can buy a bit of land, other people can make that land valuable by building a city around it, and that owner can get huge rents for that land, which they have done nothing for except purchase, which others have done everything to make it valuable--------that is just a robbery from the community [and robs the community of peace too] and yet not enough people can see this to get laws passed to rectify a gross injustice'''''''''''''''the poorer people get, the more they cling to any way by which they can escape poverty, so they dont legislate against such methods of getting rich, because they hope to be of the few who profit by it, whereas noone profits from it now thanks to the bomb and nuclear winter [a triple ice age];;;;;;;;;;;;;;;in that way, they keep the cause of evergrowing inequity and life becomes ever more sick, sad and cruel..............it is not logical that people should be paid for talent, say, celloplaying or whatever--------for practicing, they should be paid, [if they are good enough that people want to pay to hear them] but for the talent, no, because in logic, the talent is a gift of nature----why wd we pay for people being given a gift of nature, we dont pay people for receiving christmas presents----------but everyone accepts paying for talent, and noone understands that that makes the untalented poorer, it is a tax on the untalented----why should the untalented pay for lack of a gift of nature......but everyone thinks, ah, but perhaps i will have a talent, then i will want to be paid for it, noone thinks, why should i be paid for having been given a gift by nature--------if anyone shd get paid for the talent it shd be mother nature----------we are the slaves of money, not the masters, we do not consider it in a cool spirit, see its effects <p></p><i></i>

[AnnaLivia]

Well well, my new friends…I see that while I’ve been busy elsewhere, my old friend nigel, alias billpeace, alias joeshmoe, and alias electriclove in another thread even, has arrived here to take up the slack I have left, and to try to better explain…and fill in the blanks…about this simple-but-somehow-hard-to-explain global happiness plan.<br><br>Welcome to RI, mister changing names! You can’t imagine how thrilled AnnaLivia is to “see” you again, Sugarpie.<br><br>Shall I tell the good people of this forum how long you have been away, on the road? Shall I admit to them that I myself call you a most unique kind of duck…and that you are my beloved friend because of that, and not in spite of it? Shall I reveal you as my closest compatriot in understanding and spreading the ideas contained in this plan?<br><br>Should I tell them that you are the one who painted the day and night skies with love for me to walk under, some years back when I was suicidal? Should I tell them how your words helped heal the scrapes I got when I squeezed through that soulgap?<br><br>Or shall I just be delighted that you are here now to help me dance this revolution into the minds of humankind?<br><br>Anyone who has been following the Cindy Sheehan thread will know that I have had a most amazing and wonderful day.<br><br>And then I get the frosting on the cake, too.<br><br>Perhaps I was a very good girl in a previous life?<br><br>at any rate, in this one, nothing could make me happier than to hear this conversation going on!<br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[christian]

it is amazing how people have failed to register that wealth is evil------jc couldnt have spoken more emphatically and yet everyone accepts rich people can be christians------the queen of england, the pope---the truth is that money is good, wealth is very very bad, creating millions of problems ----most problems and all the nasty ugly horrible problems will disappear when we get rid of wealth---we dont want to get rid of wealth, we think it is good----the higher it goes, the better we feel-----and yet noone can contribute to the social pool of wealth more than double the average, because noone can work more than twice as hard as the average [twice 50 hrs a week]----but we have pay up to a million times the av ------which means it is in overpay, which means underpay for others, which means resentment, anger, violence, escalation of war and weaponry--------money is good, but overpay is very very bad--------there is no harm in a person working twice as hard and getting twice as much, because they are not causing underpay------money is good because it can be exchanged for millions of goods----but overpay is bad because it causes disturbance and eventually nuclear extinction of all species-------the biblical 'love of money is the root of all evil' doesnt mean that it is wrong to like getting yr paycheck--------it means love of overpay is the root of all problems [99% of them anyway]--------that is, love of a free lunch, love of getting money u havent earned, money that others have earned-----that is, love of theft of money---------there are many forms of theft that are legal---------nowhere in the 'science' of economics is there the idea of overpay, altho there is pay up to a million times the average----i guess economics has a long way to go before it is impartial and scientific and sensical---------the bible says 'why do u grind the faces of the poor?' and the super overpaid go on going to church and the preacher kindly avoids reference to the evil of overpay wealth-------the bible says 'let who doesnt work not be paid' but noone applies this to the overpaid--------a person who is paid 2 [or a million av pays] while only working one av amount of work, is the same as someone being paid one av pay and doing no work---yet noone sees this and noone sees that this is simple robbery--------some welloff people grumble about anyone getting an unemployment benefit, but the underpaid [99% of people are underpaid] dont grumble about someone getting a million pays for nothing-------by allowing overpay, we create overpower, we pay for the whips and chains that they use on us-------the founding fathers of america saw that the tyranny of europe they fled from was maintained by overpay=overpower, so the first thing they did after signing the declaration of independence was to take certain steps to limit overpay------they were defeated by the rise of the corporation, which never dies, and therefore in which money can accumulate endlessly ---------so now american govt is as tyrannous, as oppressive, as unfree, as undemocratic as any communist or fascist dictatorship, the CIA etc as frightening, as anarchic, as powermad as the KGB etc--------people have an idea that money is not spiritual somehow-------selfearned money is a perfectly good and fit part of spirituality - it represents in the marketplace yr work, yr contribution to the pool of wealth - selfearned money is as good as work, as good as the goods it buys----it is as honourable as hunting and gathering and any other way of keeping yrself----------it is because money is so very good that it is so very bad when it is stolen, when it is overpay---------spirituality is part of happiness, and selfearned money is part of happiness, ----------otherearned money is the root of virtually all evils----------true christianity is commonsense, but the christianity we see is almost always the utmost distortion or reversal of the simple truth-------- <p></p><i></i>

[chiggerbit]

My plan:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.doodie.com/boss_flash_animation.php">www.doodie.com/boss_flash_animation.php</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>

[AnnaLivia]

Ok, catching up now. Sweejak, I never did register yet, but only because I didn’t want the spam that DrDebugDU kindly warned me of. (and thanks, Doctor. I really don’t need to enlarge my penis, and I don’t give a rodent’s tushie which celebrity marriage lasts the longest.) I may brave the spam anyway, so’s I can send you a PM, Sweej, and you can send me more links (though I don’t mind at all if you put them up in here)…and maybe I can e-mail you a photo of my Camp Casey…since I know nothing of posting a pic.<br><br>Wolf, thanks for jumping in with the Henry George links. He’s the most brilliant economist from the past, in my book. His ideas fit perfectly with justice, and as the global happiness plan says, justice is a vital virtue. The man understood about equity. At one time he was the third most famous man in America, and for the life of me I think it’s a tragedy that he is so little-known to “the common man” today.<br><br>Oeg C, no need for any apologies! I wish I were that articulate when as tired as you were. (hope you’re getting some rest.) Loved what you say about wealth being a wrongful measure of success. Relatedly, at that Post-Autistic Economics website I mentioned, I read an article that explained how GNP (or was it GDP?) only measures amounts of money, and totally ignores whether or not the reason it circulated was overall a positive or a negative to us. For example, money that went to pay a divorce lawyer or to pay a surgeon to repair a victim of violence, gets counted as a plus to society just like money spent to plant a garden. Much of the art (not science) of economics, really does ignore what it simply chooses to ignore!<br><br>ZeroHaven, the stock market is a giant Ponzi scheme as it now stands. Those who’d wonder why you avoid it simply don’t know what the real bottom line is. Did my pal Nigel (etc.) answer your good questions? If not, PLEASE say so. Yes, what we spend is our time and our energies, and you showed a lot of insight to recognize that different jobs take differing amounts of inputs. To reach a near-perfect equity I agree we’d need to evaluate jobs and get some large agreement on how much sacrifice each entails. I think, as I have said before, that perfection is an unreachable goal, and that what we should be aiming at is excellence. I’d settle for a vast reduction in un-equity for the major positive changes that alone would bring, and would hope that once this species gets started down that path, we’d find we could go farther than we thought we could.<br><br>As for the actual plan part, it’s really to tell all the people who will listen, so that the idea grows and takes on a life of its own. But I realize that in order for it to make sense to those you tell, you need concrete examples of what we could do, and I hope to bring more of those to the party eventually. (and I count on the ideas that numerous minds applied to this problem would come up with, for sure!) We need a Marshall plan for the world. We need to sanely restrict inheritance. We could go with Henry George on Land Value taxes. <br><br>billpeace, help me out here?<br><br>I’m the one who is tired tonight!<br><br>I hope I didn’t miss responding to anybody, ‘cause I really appreciate every contribution made to this thread. I can’t save my bacon without the rest of you…<br> <p></p><i></i>

[peoplenotsheeple]

Dear Anna, <br><br>Appreciate your effort here. Most certainly, we need a plan of some kind, or we're toast! (In fact I've been working on one myself.) However, one important thing about a plan if you want to catch on: it has to be concise and it has to be readable! Unfortunately I could not evaluate yours, because I couldn't find it in the mass of verbiage. Please remember that many people are strapped for time, stressed, tired (that's part of the problem, yes) and reading this stuff in our spare time. I myself can only take so much eyestrain before I simply give up and click back to move onto another post. Therefore ideas must be communicated as concisely and precisely as possible. Then they have the greatest possible chance of being noticed and evaluated. <br><br>So please, revise and resubmit! <br><br>I must say btw that you and I think somewhat alike -- in fact, in the essay I am writing I too use the analogy of leaves and trees (I think Thoreau used it too). But extend the analogy : what if the distribution of wealth is itself just a leaf on a larger tree? A symptom of a yet larger problem? What I'm getting at is a problem with <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>humans</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->, or with human nature. What if that's our tree trunk? What do we do about it? <br><br>-pns <p></p><i></i>

[peoplenotsheeple]

Dear Anna, <br><br>Appreciate your effort here. Most certainly, we need a plan of some kind, or we're toast! (In fact I've been working on one myself.) However, one important thing about a plan if you want to catch on: it has to be concise and it has to be readable! Unfortunately I could not evaluate yours, because I couldn't find it in the mass of verbiage. Please remember that many people are strapped for time, stressed, tired (that's part of the problem, yes) and reading this stuff in our spare time. I myself can only take so much eyestrain before I simply give up and click back to move onto another post. Therefore ideas must be communicated as concisely and precisely as possible. Then they have the greatest possible chance of being noticed and evaluated. <br><br>So please, revise and resubmit! <br><br>I must say btw that you and I think somewhat alike -- in fact, in the essay I am writing I too use the analogy of leaves and trees (I think Thoreau used it too). But extend the analogy : what if the distribution of wealth is itself just a leaf on a larger tree? A symptom of a yet larger problem? What I'm getting at is a problem with <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>humans</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->, or with human nature. What if that's our tree trunk? What do we do about it? <br><br>-pns <p></p><i></i>

[batmanrobin]

gee, peeplenotsheeple, i dont know what to say..........the problem is the super-hyper-extreme overpay and underpay, super-hyper-extreme overpower and underpower........if people cant see the significance of the super-hyper-extreme over and under pay and power, then i guess the problem is human nature........if someone points out the swimming pool is emptying and someone else points out where it is leaking and people say, now what?, instead of PLUGGING THE HOLE then i guess the problem is human nature..........i dont know.......everyone will acknowledge that if they were on 1c an hr that they would be pretty pissed off, might even throw some bombs if ones underpay is ignored by other humans, if ones family must die for lack of food........and yet, nobody seems to see pay injustice as a super-hyper-glaring error.........what does it take to get peoples attention., does pay have to go to a trillion dollars an hr before people say, hey, thats a bad thing, thats dangerous.........maybe each person has to devote a day to sitting on a hill just to focus on and really see and know and take to heart that this is the major problem.........think of it: money is a joker good, good for all goods,,,,,,, everyone who works a day's work is supposed to get a fair share of it,,,,, if they dont, and they lack food, safety, basics, clean water, hope, selfesteem, a recognition by society of their worth alongside other people by equal pay for equal work,,,,,,,,,, then it is really critical..........what can i say? .....this isnt an academic question, this is GET IT OR LOSE EVERYTHING ....get it and pass it on till everyone sees that pay justice is essential to survival and happiness.........just passing it on to one person a month for 30 months will get it to everyone on the planet, maybe before the planet goes radioactive..........it isnt 'hey look at my solution to this hypothetical planet', this is life, this is yr and my life............this is what our stupidity has got us into, this is DANGER real life present inyrface now danger, the social machine is racing itself madly to destruction very soon, because we have overlooked or underestimated the critical, essential, absolute importance of pay justice ...........anybody who is behaving as tho everything is okay, there is no problem, i'll just amuse myself with thinking and talking of this and that, this or that, is wrong....the gauge is well into the red, the social boiler is going to blow very soon if we dont cool it off.........what can i say??????????? <p></p><i></i>

[hce has a codfisk ee]

practical things that can be done once everyone sees and knows that pay injustice has to stopped::::::::::: 1]]]]not change any part of the capitalist system, but make a law that when a person dies with a big fortune, the part of the fortune that is more than they could possibly have earned by their work goes as directly as possible to those who are most definitely most extremely underpaid [thus reducing the overpower of the overpaid, and reducing the underpay and underpower of the most underpaid, pouring waters on the fires of terrorism and mafiaism]........2]]]]] take away in taxes from the part of fortunes in excess of that part that is truly earned, 1/100th the first year, 1/99th the second year.....to 1/2, then 1 whole of the excess in the 100th year - and shift it of course directly to the most underpaid - eg, if the fortune was 103 million, the 3 million would be the earned part, and the rest of the fortune would be nibbled by a million every year, thus dripfeeding it into the system.........if the fortune grew during the 100 years, still the fraction would have power to bring the fortune down to the earned part.......3]]]]]]]a start would be the tobin tax of 1/4 of 1% on the trillion traded on the world financial markets every day......this would yield $2.5 billion a day, enough to feed and clothe and free from diseases everyone -------it really is too bad of us to have people starving to death when there is A MILLION DOLLARS ANNUAL INCOME FOR EVERY ONE OF THE PEOPLE WHO STARVE TO DEATH - world annual income is US$50 trillion, or 50 million million, there are 50 million who starve to death WHEN THERE IS ENOUGH INCOME TO GIVE EVERY WORKING FAMILY us$50,000 A YEAR, therefore one million per starving person - out of this we cannot find a dollar a day to feed them...........noone can earn more than twice the average, as pointed out before, so annual income could be, and should be, limited to twice the average income of US$50,000 - but if people want a degree of inequity for old times sake, the maximum could be limited to 10 times the average..........on the other hand we could say that billionaires have been overpaid for so long, they can have all their fortune taken off them for balance....just whatever people decide they want .....if they want a degree of inequity and violence, so be it..........maybe people want the extreme degree of inequity and violence we have, maybe everyone really is looking forward to destroying all life on planet earth - where there is a will, there is a way.......is the present extreme unnecessary misery and trouble what everyone wants, do people care more for interesting than for peace? we enjoy films with lots of blowing things up.......... <p></p><i></i>