tech question

by **thoughtographer** » Wed May 17, 2006 7:59 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>If you send an EFax to a fax machine, it will print out just like a regular fax.<hr></blockquote> Oh, you're talking about "<a href="http://www.efax.com/">efax.com</a>", which is NOT FREE. If you would have been more specific in the first place, it would have saved us all a lot of typing. Yes, you can send normal facsimiles through eFax's service -- but you can bet that there are quite a few modems in the eFax data center to facilitate the sending of faxes to actual fax machines over telephone lines. So, fax modems are not OBSOLETE, so much as they're being rented to you by another company that's "adding value" to them. If it weren't for the existence of paper-spewing fax machines (all with modems in them) all over the world, eFax wouldn't have a business model because we'd all be scanning documents and e-mailing them to each other -- for free. I look forward to the day that nobody owns a fax machine, but we're not quite there yet. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>So you're wrong and you need to shut up. You just don't know what you're talking about.<hr></blockquote> No, I didn't know what YOU were talking about. There's a big difference. You "want" me to shut up, but I don't "need" to -- and won't. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>I do this dozens of times a day and you flip burgers or whatever you do everyday.<hr></blockquote> Good one! I love burgers! Look, I'm not about to start talking about my job here of all places, but let's just say that you're probably in over your head if you really do want to have a pissing contest about something stupid like this -- especially if your computer knowledge is limited to "eFaxing" DOZENS of documents over your companies T1. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>I'm not trying to be contentious here, but I'm honestly curious (I used to do this for a living). How does the fax get from the internet to the telco network? If you're putting that fax into your T1 as TCP/IP, how does it end up coming through someone's phone lines as modulated audio? There has to be an interface somewhere. Is there one that you're allowed to use for free?<hr></blockquote> Your computer has a document residing within its filesystem that you would like to send to a recipient who only has a "normal" fax machine. You send this to eFax's server over the network using whatever bloated protocol they use, which in turn uses a fax modem to communicate with the recipient's fax machine. I think you can figure out the rest. <a href="http://www.efax.com/en/efax/twa/page/howItWorks">https://www.efax.com/en/efax/twa/page/howItWorks</a> "A crooked stick will cast a crooked shadow."Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=thoughtographer>thoughtographer</A> at: 5/17/06 6:07 pm

by **anotherdrew** » Wed May 17, 2006 9:51 pm

here's what might work for you hava: <a href="http://www.tpc.int/">www.tpc.int/</a>

by **thoughtographer** » Wed May 17, 2006 9:55 pm

Nice. I don't need to use it, but that's pretty cool, anotherdrew. Glad to see they're using and promoting Hylafax. It's good software, and I'm in the middle of implementing it in my office. "A crooked stick will cast a crooked shadow."Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=thoughtographer>thoughtographer</A> at: 5/17/06 7:58 pm

by **anotherdrew** » Wed May 17, 2006 10:22 pm

yeah, I almost would up doing a Hylafax thing where I'm at, but the users decided they liked the fax machine more than learning to use the windows client, but Hylafax is good stuff. That tpc.int has been around for ages iirc.

by **thoughtographer** » Wed May 17, 2006 10:31 pm

Yeah, I can see that it's been around for a while, but I've never had a reason to notice until lately. I would run a server, but have too many remote users and need all the bandwidth we have at the moment. Thanks for digging it out and posting about it. Half the problem with projects like this is that most people are simply unaware of their existence, though more awareness brings more users, and less volunteers. "A crooked stick will cast a crooked shadow."

by **Sepka** » Thu May 18, 2006 12:57 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>www.tpc.int/ <hr></blockquote> Well... That deserves a bookmark <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"> -Sepka the Space Weasel

by **havanagilla** » Thu May 18, 2006 3:29 am

thank you guys, for one moment I was worried this is going to turn into a real bar fight...very good advice and resources. King solomon said that the envy among authors increases wisdom.

by **johnny nemo** » Thu May 18, 2006 2:45 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Your computer has a document residing within its filesystem that you would like to send to a recipient who only has a "normal" fax machine. You send this to eFax's server over the network using whatever bloated protocol they use, which in turn uses a fax modem to communicate with the recipient's fax machine. I think you can figure out the rest.<hr></blockquote> That's not how it works, you moron. You have no idea what you're talking about. Fax modems are obsolete and useless, much like you. Ever heard of Voice Over Internet Protocol, dumbass? <a href="http://www.faxback.com/tools/White_Papers/Q&A.pdf">www.faxback.com/tools/Whi...rs/Q&A.pdf</a> Question 11: Does a fax server replace a phone line fax device? Answer: NET SatisFAXtion IP utilizes a T.38 connection to a VoIP capable router replacing the need for your fax machine. However, the faxes are still sent over a PSTN connection at the VoIP capable router. The EFAx is only a small component of my job, but VoIP is a big part of it. I code software that utilizes VoIP, I setup, troubleshoot and repair computers that use VoIP, and I do tech support for remote users of our software and hardware, so I know what I'm talking about. AS you've proved time and time again, YOU DO NOTand you're WAAAAAAAAAAY over your head when it comes to this. Do this entire forum a fovor and STFU.

by **thoughtographer** » Thu May 18, 2006 2:55 pm

Are you done bragging? Go back and read what I wrote. Fax modems are not obsolete. I know you want it to be "the future" and all, but you aren't exactly in a position to declare something's obsolescence just because you have some job experience. If you would drop your ego and actually try to comprehend what I'm talking about, you might see that I'm correct. That, or we're talking about completely different things, and you just want to argue with me because you're sore about something else. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Question 11: Does a fax server replace a phone line fax device? Answer: NET SatisFAXtion IP utilizes a T.38 connection to a VoIP capable router replacing the need for your fax machine. However, the faxes are still sent over a PSTN connection at the VoIP capable router. <hr></blockquote> I mean, it's right there in what you quoted. Not everyone in the world uses VoIP, and that's not going to change overnight. I'm talking about a case in which you would like to fax ("e" or otherwise) to a fax machine that is not connected to the public Internet. Just because you're an early adopter of technology doesn't mean everyone else is. And THAT is all of the "demodulation" I'm going to do here. Gnash your teeth and tell me I don't know what I'm talking about if you want, but my office still uses a fax machine -- which contains a modem attached to the PSTN. It could easily be a computer with a faxmodem, but hey -- we're REALLY old-fashioned. "A crooked stick will cast a crooked shadow."Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=thoughtographer>thoughtographer</A> at: 5/18/06 1:10 pm

by **johnny nemo** » Thu May 18, 2006 3:33 pm

You and I both know that you thought that these companies have banks of cable modems set up intercepting E-faxes and I showed you how wrong you are. Hahahahahahahaha. Your fragile little ego wouldn't let you acknowledge that you didn't and don't know what you're talking about. How pathetic. Me gavte la nate. Of course there are still fax machines. There are also still black and white TVs and the Amish still ride in horse and buggies, but that doesn't change that fact that all of the above are obsolete. They will eventually stop making fax machines, just as Kodak has stopped making black and white film. In the future, instead of misleading people, and babbling about things you have no clue about, how about deferring to the people who know what they're talking about, m'kay? Remember, it is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, then to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.

by **johnny nemo** » Thu May 18, 2006 3:42 pm

BTW.....An E-Fax can be sent from a computer to a fax machine that isn't connected to the internet, because the fax (or E FAx) is sent over PSTN phone lines. To dumb it down for you..... You write Efax. You send EFAx. It turn into regular fax. It get recieved by person you fax to on their fax machine. You idiot.

by **Sepka** » Thu May 18, 2006 3:51 pm

And how on earth do you suppose VOIP gets onto the PSTN lines, hmm? Magic? Or might some sort of modulation/demodulation interface be needed? -Sepka the Space Weasel

by **thoughtographer** » Thu May 18, 2006 4:02 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>You and I both know that you thought that these companies have banks of cable modems set up intercepting E-faxes and I showed you how wrong you are.<hr></blockquote> That's not what I thought, and that's not what I wrote. If this is the basis you're using for determining how "wrong" I am, then you're mistaken and just blowing hot air. I said they have banks of modems with which to facilitate the sending and receiving of faxes to and from Ye Olde Fax Machines, and that is true no matter what you say. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Of course there are still fax machines. There are also still black and white TVs and the Amish still ride in horse and buggies, but that doesn't change that fact that all of the above are obsolete. They will eventually stop making fax machines, just as Kodak has stopped making black and white film.<hr></blockquote> Yes, and there are legions of photographers mourning the lack of film stock and paper. I use both analog and digital audio recording techniques on an almost daily basis, and I still won't jettison my cassette and reel-to-reel equipment because the digital gear can only attempt to IMITATE the inherent qualities of analog tape -- but that's not good enough. Companies like Quantegy could give a shit less, even though the proponents of tape have a lot of valid arguments to keep tape in production, like archival integrity, etc. The digital futureworld you're tacitly promoting will only make it easier for people to tilt the power of information in favor of large corporations. We're not talking about THE FUCKING AMISH here -- we're talking about businesses, and the small ones always get the shaft by artificial paradigm shifts created by manufacturers, and this is one example. What's with the push for obsolescence? Maybe you need to visit some more offices that aren't employing your services. Maybe you're not wary of the companies pushing new, overpriced and marginally improved technology to replace the old, but I am -- and I'm not alone. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>In the future, instead of misleading people, and babbling about things you have no clue about, how about deferring to the people who know what they're talking about, m'kay? Remember, it is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, then to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.<hr></blockquote> In the future, you should take your own advice. In the future, you shouldn't let your prejudices get in the way of seeing reason in someone's argument. In the future, polo-shirted, khaki morons with "certification" given to them by the same corporations whose products they're pushing will be in charge. Wait -- the future is now. Now wait for last year. <img src="http://www.hffax.de/hauptteil_faxhistory-Dateien/Caselli02.gif" style="border:0;"/> "A crooked stick will cast a crooked shadow."

by **johnny nemo** » Thu May 18, 2006 5:10 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>I said they have banks of modems with which to facilitate the sending and receiving of faxes to and from Ye Olde Fax Machines, and that is true no matter what you say.<hr></blockquote> NO THEY DON'T !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FOR F*CK'S SAKE, YOU ARE A COMPLETELY IDIOTIC AMATEUR AND YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE F*CK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT !!!! THEY DON'T USE FAX MODEMS WITH EFAX, STUPID !!!!! I ALREADY EXPLAINED HOW IT WORKS AND YOU'RE TOO STUPID TO UNDERSTAND IT !!!!!!!!!!!!! HOW CAN ONE PERSON BE SO DUMB AND SO WRONG, AFTER THE WHOLE THING WAS EXPLAINED TO YOU ?!?! YOU ARE USELESS !!!!!

by **thoughtographer** » Thu May 18, 2006 5:15 pm

Still having reading comprehension problems? Companies like "eFax" wouldn't have much of a business if they didn't use modems to communicate with standalone fax machines. "A crooked stick will cast a crooked shadow."Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=thoughtographer>thoughtographer</A> at: 5/18/06 3:17 pm

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EFAX DOESN'T USE A FAM MODEM, THOUGHTOGRAPHER !!

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You're a joke, thoughtographer

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You're always wrong, Thoughtographer

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