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Possible video of agent provocateur in Paris riots

PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 11:49 pm
by thumperton
<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.afrik.com/IMG/mov/Keufs_1.mov">www.afrik.com/IMG/mov/Keufs_1.mov</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>

Re:or "just" video of agressive cops

PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 12:05 am
by hmm
according to the site that posted it (as translated by a blogger)<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.illegalvoices.org/index.php?option=com_simpleboard&func=view&catid=2&id=319">www.illegalvoices.org/ind...d=2&id=319</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>A video, recorded with a cell phone, is circulating throughout the neighbourhoods. A file called “Sarko’s new keufs” [keuf is slang for police] was given to Afrik, and part of it can be viewed online. We see a police car parked with its door open. We think we can make out that someone has thrown something at the police. The response is immediate. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>We can clearly see plainclothes police firing again and again with heir flash-balls.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> We see them chasing the young people, calling out “Come back you bastards!”<br><br>“Some of the <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>rubber bullets</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> are even signed,” says Kader. “There is a guy who was hit by one that had ‘Boum boum on your ass, see you soon, Luc’ written on it.”<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>so this is being portrayed as a rodney king type incident by the people that published the video on the net. <p></p><i></i>

Re: Re:or "just" video of agressive cops

PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 12:10 am
by thumperton
As far as I know, police are only authorized to use force one level more than they are being engaged with. Even though they youths are purported to have thrown something at the car, I find it a bit suspicious that the po po had non-lethal riot guns to shoot at them.<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://pichold.com/Images/Smilies/hsugh.gif" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--> <p></p><i></i>

Re: as far as you know

PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 12:18 am
by hmm
i dont find it strange that french police would have riot equipment when dealing with a riot.<br>I dont think the police where expecting their actions to be recorded so i doubt they where really that worried about authorisation?<br>maybe its me but i would be suspicious if there was no evidence of police brutality during a riot. <p></p><i></i>

Re: as far as you know

PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 12:19 am
by thumperton
<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>i dont find it strange that french police would have riot equipment when dealing with a riot.<br>I dont think the police where expecting their actions to be recorded so i doubt they where really that worried about authorisation?<br>maybe its me but i would be suspicious if there was no evidence of police brutality during a riot. <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END-->Do we see a violent gathering of people in that video? Just looks like a bunch of youths standing around who are genuinely surprised that the police are shooting at them. <p></p><i></i>

maybe its a language problem

PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 12:28 am
by hmm
<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>An agent provocateur (plural: agents provocateurs) <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>is a person assigned to provoke unrest</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->, violence, debate, or argument <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>by or within a group while acting as a member of the group but covertly representing the interests of another</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->. In general, agents provocateurs seek to disrupt a group's activities secretly from within the group.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>so for the plainclothed police to be agent provocateurs they would have to be rioters dressed as policemen. <p></p><i></i>

thumperton,

PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 12:31 am
by Rigorous Intuition
You were banned. That you could return with another IP doesn't change that. I've banned that as well, and your username.<br><br>As I said previously, good luck out there. But here, you are a disruptive presence, and your White Nationalist views are not welcome. <p></p><i></i>