Katrina LIHOP stack

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Katrina LIHOP stack

Postby DrDebugDU » Sun Sep 04, 2005 1:19 pm

Thanks to Eloriel for creating the topic.<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4588088">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4588088</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>See also:<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm10.showMessage?topicID=651.topic">p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm10.showMessage?topicID=651.topic</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>Eloriel story:<br>I believe that they withheld help for this long for the following reasons:<br><br>* As a test case or lab experiment for possible/planned future LIHOP/MIHOP events on the order of 9-11, tho probably radiological and/or biological/chemical. Always nice to be able to tweak your plans and approaches.<br><br>* As an opportunity to blame the victims -- something already institutionalized as the "corporate culture" of DHS and FEMA (after all, this administration has been at fault for conditions being worse than they needed to have been, so a little blaming the victims can help with that):<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>DNC: Chertoff Blames Refugees and the Dead for Their Fate<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4552525">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4552525</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>Link: <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democrats.org/a/2005/09/chertoff_blames.php">www.democrats.org/a/2005/09/chertoff_blames.php</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>Excerpt:<br>Homeland Security chief Michael Chertoff today:<br><br>"The critical thing was to get people out of there before the disaster," he said on NBC's Today program. "Some people chose not to obey that order. That was a mistake on their part."<br><br>UPDATE: DNC Research points us to an AP article from before the hurricane that described the plight of people who were unable to evacuate:<br><br>Making matters worse, at least 100,000 people in the city lack the transportation to get out of town. Nagin said the Superdome might be used as a shelter of last resort for people who have no cars, with city bus pick-up points around New Orleans.<br><br>Additional stories:<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://abc26.trb.com/news/natguard08012005,0,4504131.story?coll=wgno-news-1">abc26.trb.com/news/natguard08012005,0,4504131.story?coll=wgno-news-1</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>August 1, 2005, 9:07 PM CDT<br><br>JACKSON BARRACKS -- When members of the Louisiana National Guard left for Iraq in October, they took a lot equipment with them. Dozens of high water vehicles, humvees, refuelers and generators are now abroad, and in the event of a major natural disaster that, could be a problem.<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>* As an opportunity to further blame the victims for their own deaths, by letting/causing the crisis to spin out of control so that social unrest and "lawlessness" reaches fever pitch and they get to:<br><br>- declare martial law<br>- have the rest of us CLAMORING, BEGGING for federal troops to restore order<br>- send in federal troops (the new Northern Command, or whatever it is)<br>- blur the distinction between civilian and military law enforcement<br>- maybe even get that pesky ole Posse Commitatus law discarded, at long last (the one that prevents military from domestic law enforcement)<br>- exert federal control via federal troops instead of state and local control over NG<br><br>And probably other things I'm not even thinking about. Please feel free to add your own.<br><br>And of course, the ever popular<br>* Simple racism and classism -- who cares about the Little People?<br><br><br>So, I believe THE PHOTO OPS were simply opportunistic (or perhaps planned for anyway, but NOT the main reason for the delay in getting help there). "Okay, as long as we have to put up now, might as well look like heroes doing it."<br><br>Here are some threads that support my LIHOP/MIHOP theory -- PLEASE add others that come to your attention. Thank you.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>National Guard not allowing aid into the city (Mistrel Boy)<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4578745&mesg_id=4578745">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4578745&mesg_id=4578745</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br>Link: <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://neworleans.indymedia.org/news/2005/09/3941.php">neworleans.indymedia.org/news/2005/09/3941.php</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>Excerpt:<br>There are supplies sitting in Baton Rouge for the folks in New Orleans, but the National Guard has the city surrounded and is not letting anyone in or out. They are turning away people with supplies, claiming it is too dangerous. If we have planes that can drop bombs on people in Iraq, certianly we can air drop supplies into the city. Our goverment is KILLING the people of New Orleans. This is the message I am now sending to all major media sources, national and worldwide, as well as posting to email lists, blogs, etc. The story is getting out that the people there are not getting supplies, but the truth of WHY is not. Please help spread the word, we must get this story out. Please so not let any more of my friends die.<br><br>I can be reached at 254.640.8441 - feel free to call me or give my number to any media that needs a contact person to talk to.<br><br>...<br><br>I have recently managed to speak to some friends stranded in New Orleans. They are starving and dehydrating and there is no news of when they will be receiving food and water. I have spoken to relief efforts and understand that there are plenty of supplies waiting for these people, BUT THEY ARE NOT BEING ALLOWED INTO THE CITY.<br><br>The National Guard has the city surrounded and is not letting anyone in or out, except the buses being evacuated. The excuse that they can not bring supplies into New Orleans because of the looting and gun fire is not a valid excuse - if they are too afraid to enter the streets of New Orleans, they need to be air dropping supplies into the city. If the United States is capable of sending planes that can withstand enemy fire to drop bombs in Iraq, certainly they are capable of air dropping supplies into a city where the worst of the gunfire they could encouter would be from semi-automatics.<br><br>Our government is killing the people of New Orleans. By witholding supplies, they are ensuring more deaths, and I hold them complicit.<br><br>Please bring this matter to the attention of the people of the United States. They need to know that New Orleans is deliberatly being denied food and water. Perhaps if the people there had food and water, they might not be shooting off guns.<br><br>Additional info:<br>JPZenger<br>Hospitals in Outlying Areas Say:Where are the patients?<br><br>NPR had a good story yesterday about the hospital situation. Only one hospital in New Orleans is fully functioning. Most of the hospitals don't have ANY WATER. They are in desparate straits, with very limited electrical power. One staff-person said they may need to decide who will live and who will die, by stopping care for the most critically sick patients.<br><br>Meanwhile, NPR had reports from undamaged hospitals in outlying areas. Those hospitals put themselves on full emergency status to be ready to accept patients from New Orleans. The patients haven't arrived. They have hundreds of empty beds, they have full staffs on hand, they have empty operating rooms - but the patients haven't been brought to them. They are sitting helpless in frustration.<br><br>Penndems<br>Minstrel Boy, I was watching the local news on the NBC affiliate<br><br>iin D.C. this morning. The anchor said that a van full of water, food, supplies, medicines, as well as Loudoun County sheriff's deputies and fire and rescue workers left Leesburg, Virginia this morning, heading for the Gulf Coast and New Orleans. They had to turn around and come back, because FEMA HAD NOT GIVEN THEM THE NECESSARY AUTHORIZATION TO GO AND DISTRIBUTE SUPPLIES.<br><br>ehrnst<br>And the supplies and troops arrive just in time...<br>To keep crowds distracted from charging Shrub.<br><br>Jackpine Radical<br>I just appended this post to the Indymedia site:<br><br><br>I have elsewhere encountered speculation (e.g. www.democraticunderground.com ) that posits a motive for the Guard's refusal to let assistance get through until today. The reason, simply, is that the Bush Administration ordered this delay so that they could create a public relations scenario with the President leading the convoy of assistance into New Orleans. If this theory is true, then assistance was withheld from the survivors for several days in order to permit the Administration to do a bit of play-acting in the role of a rescuing hero. Surely a few hundred (or a few thousand) additional, otherwise unnecessary deaths is a small price for the nation to pay so that they may see their President pulling a public relations stunt.<br><br>vickitulsa<br>My friend in Opelousas, LA said her town sent boats<br>down to NOLA yesterday and the day before. Local people in a Louisiana town 300 miles from New Orleans got together and gathered their boats, set off to try to help in rescues.<br><br>When they neared the city of New Orleans, they were turned around by the National Guard and sent back home.<br><br>Eloriel<br>OMFG -- look at this re the NAVY<br>CNO directed US naval ships to gulf coast - ON HIS OWN INITIATIVE<br>http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...<br><br>Did I hear Rep. Kirk (Rethug, Illinois 10) - http://www.house.gov/kirk / - just a few minutes ago, on the House floor, during the gulf coast supplemental funding authorization debate, say words to the effect "...I want to commend the CNO (chief of naval operations) for sending, on his own initiative, US naval ships to the affected area...".<br><br>Not General Peter Pace, Chair of the Joint Chiefs<br>Not Rummy<br>Not *<br><br>A man about 5th or 6th down the chain of command!<br><br>JPZenger<br>Va. Police and EMTs Can't Get Permission to Enter Louisiana<br>Va. deputies can´t reach FEMA, Louisiana officials<br>September 2, 2005 12:00 am<br><br>LEESBURG, Va. (AP) - A group of Loudoun County sheriff´s deputies heading to Louisiana to help maintain order among hurricane refugees had to turn around at the Virginia border when they couldn´t get confirmation from emergency management officials, the Loudoun County sheriff said.<br><br>After attempting for 12 hours to reach officials at the Federal Emergency Management Agency and the Louisiana Emergency Operations Center, the deputies were told to head home. The group of 22 officers and six emergency medical technicians was expected to arrive back in Leesburg by 2 a.m. Friday.<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.fredericksburg.com/News/Web/2005/092005/0902deputies">www.fredericksburg.com/News/Web/2005/092005/0902deputies</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Continued... <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Katrina LIHOP stack

Postby DrDebugDU » Sun Sep 04, 2005 1:32 pm

OK if this thread is true then they did withhold aid until Bush got there (refers back to Minstrel Boy's thread)<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4582681&mesg_id=4582681">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4582681&mesg_id=4582681</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>nothingshocksmeanymore <br><br>The question has been asked if aid was timed with Bush's visit. I just put two and teo together reading Minstrel Boy's thread. If the contents of that thread are true then they did indeed time it to coincide with Bush's visit. I do hope some investigative reporters will check out the source of this post.<br><br>EarlG<br>What took them so long? What took them so long?<br><br>Well I think we all know the answer to that now: they were waiting for Bush to show up. Shame he couldn't have gotten there earlier, it probably would have saved some lives.<br><br>Is someone going to try to tell me that it's a coincidence that the convoy of trucks arriving at the Superdome is happening at exactly the same moment Bush is hovering around in his helicopter?<br><br>They could have dropped food and water to these people by helicopter days ago. I can't quite believe what I'm seeing.<br><br>qanda<br>You won't believe the excuse someone gave me on another site<br><br>For why they haven't dropped food, but here it is:<br><br>This was in response to a question I had asked about dropping food in the same way it was dropped after the tsunami.<br><br>A food drop would cause widespread rioting right now.... <br>and many people would die in the stampede. It's a sad, but simple fact that the mob mentality has taken over and people aren't thinking straight.<br><br>After the tsunami there wasn't widespread panic like this. I think because those were very poor people from a very poor country who didn't expect anyone to come and bail them out. Therefor they were more thankful for the help they received instead of complaining that it wasn't enough.<br><br>chomskysright<br>BUT OF COURSE ma cherie: the Commander must be seen as<br>delivering the relief. <br>We're in a sadomasochistic regime and this is what it looks like.<br>I've been corresponding with a colleague of mine in Canada and this is our conversation which is apropros at this time:<br><br>I think 'Malevolent Neglect ' is appropriately descriptive.<br><br>From what I have observed, the organization of relief efforts is being based as much around optics and (in some cases) preferential treatment as anything. Eg. the commandeering of supplies to high-visibility (high media) areas. Eg. the timing of federal relief to coincide with the president's visit.<br><br>There is for sure something to be written about all this. The title in my head right now is 'The Cruel Society'.<br><br>From Robert Paterson <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://smartpei.typepad.com/robert_patersons_weblog/">smartpei.typepad.com/robert_patersons_weblog/</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>"As he (Jared Diamond) said in an interview, 'in societies where the elites do not suffer from the consequences of their decisions, but can insulate themselves, the elite are more likely to pursue their short- term interests, even though that may be bad for the long-term interests of the society...'<br><br>"John Ralston Saul focuses on the risk of elites 'moving to Versailles' and isolating themselves from the realities of life of those they purport to serve. As I think of this idea, I look at the footage of New Orleans. Where is the Mayor? Where is the Governor? They are on a ship the Bataan. Who was left to fend for themselves? "<br><br>leftchick<br> CNN.com provides the answer....<br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2005/US/09/02/katrina.impact/top.katfri23.jpg"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br>seafan<br>Remember the Reagan inauguration/Iran hostage release on split screen?<br><br>ehrnst<br>The photo ops - thank you CNN. I hope this was worth the death of hundreds<br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y102/veggiac/Untitled-1.jpg"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br>chomskysright<br>Don't you fucking get it? THIS IS ALL PLANNED:<br><br>You can map Bush's plans out if you can see Rove's pieces on the board: <br>First of all, BushCo are a cabal of narcissists. they have no regard for anyone else. GET THAT. If you fully realize that you can anticipate a good bit of their activity.<br><br>Rove put the chess pieces on the board: defunding Army Corps of Engineers driving the concerned City of N.O. people to beg for money to fix the levee. Can't be found: too much or Repub donors won't give. They're on high ground anyway.<br><br>3 cities in US mapped as being 'nightmares to be realized.' Which one has the most poor black people? : N.O. that one will be sacrificed. Pieces in place.<br><br>Act of God. Yes, we perceive that others will now think that we have fucked up when in fact this has been planned as re: MALEVOLENT NEGLECT. Allo looting to begin (expected: and it will be black people: get rid of some Dem voters while we're at it). (drumming fingers...waiting...waiting): NOW, is the time to send out the National Guard. Must create excuses: helicopters could not fly that low, etc. Timing's everything...drumming fingers...waiting, waiting....<br><br>Call up that CNN crew would you? Shut down the mike of the N.O. mayor: he's served our purposes. OK: Hit it boys: NG tanks roll into N.O. as Bush touches down.<br><br>LibertyorDeath<br>From my inbox email from Palast<br><br>BUSH STRAFES NEW ORLEANS<br>WHERE IS OUR HUEY LONG?<br>by Greg Palast<br><br>Friday, September 2, 2005<br>The National Public Radio news anchor was so excited I thought she'd piss on herself: the President of the United had flown his plane down to 1700 feet to get a better look at the flood damage! And there was a photo of our Commander-in-Chief taken looking out the window. He looked very serious and concerned.<br><br>That was yesterday. Today he played golf. No kidding.<br><br>I'm sure the people of New Orleans would have liked to show their appreciation for the official Presidential photo-strafing, but their surface-to-air missiles were wet.<br><br>There is nothing new under the sun. In 1927, a Republican President had his photo taken as the Mississippi rolled over New Orleans. Calvin Coolidge, "a little fat man with a notebook in his hand," promised to rebuild the state. He didn't. Instead, he left to play golf with Ken Lay or the Ken Lay railroad baron equivalent of his day.<br><br>In 1927, the Democratic Party had died and was awaiting burial. As depression approached, the coma-Dems, like Franklin Roosevelt, called for balancing the budget.<br><br>Then, as the waters rose, one politician finally said, roughly, "Screw this! They're lying! The President's lying! The rich fat cats that are drowning you will do it again and again and again. They lead you into imperialist wars for profit, they take away your schools and your hope and when you complain, they blame Blacks and Jews and immigrants. Then they push your kids under. I say, Kick'm in the ass and take your rightful share!"<br>...<br><br>NightOwwl<br>Jack Cafferty seems to think so...<br>Just heard him say on CNN:<br><br>"Do you suppose Wolf, that the arrival of the relief convoys and the political photo- ops on the Gulf Coast happening at the very same time were a coincidence today?"<br><br>truedelphi<br>Alerting the media locally<br>I live in The San Francisco Bay area. I spent an hour calling local media.<br><br>KRON has a wonderful man answering the phone in their newsroom. His name is Tom Newton. (If you wanna call and report things there the number is 415 561 8000)<br><br>He said that all morning long, people in the black community have been calling in saying that the lack of relief and aid to New Orleans is deliberate. And that they are furious.<br><br>I invited him to our website. He was very sympathetic to remarks that are being made.<br><br>Five days after a catastrophe - no relief except for what is handed out at a press conference. Outrageous. Criminal.<br><br>But then that maybe why folks like Mike Malloy call them "The Bush Crime Family."<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Read and Weep - FEMA "turned away Police and Doctors" at the stateline<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4585831">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4585831</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br>Link: <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.fredericksburg.com/News/Web/2005/092005/0902deputies">www.fredericksburg.com/News/Web/2005/092005/0902deputies</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>Loudoun deputies can't reach FEMA, Louisiana officials<br><br>Loudoun county deputies headed for Louisiana told to turn around<br><br>Date published: 9/2/2005<br><br>LEESBURG, Va. (AP) - A group of Loudoun County sheriff's deputies heading to Louisiana to help maintain order among hurricane refugees had to turn around at the Virginia border when they couldn't get confirmation from emergency management officials, the Loudoun County sheriff said.<br><br>After attempting for 12 hours to reach officials at the Federal Emergency Management Agency and the Louisiana Emergency Operations Center, the deputies were told to head home. The group of 22 officers and six emergency medical technicians was expected to arrive back in Leesburg by 2 a.m. Friday, according to a statement from the sheriff's office.<br><br>"How many people have to die in the interim while they try to make this happen?" Sheriff Stephen O. Simpson told WRC-TV.<br><br>The deputies were to be sworn in locally as law enforcement officers in Jefferson Parish, La. near New Orleans. Their assistance had been requested by the Jefferson Parish Sheriff's Department through the National Sheriff's Association in an Aug. 31 letter, said Sheriff's spokesman Kraig Troxell. <br><br>A three-week schedule was planned to rotate deputies from Loudoun County to areas of Louisiana that needed help, Troxell said. The deputies were carrying extra guns, ammunition and supplies to make them self- sufficient for seven to 14 days.<br><br>The group waited in Harrisonburg, Va. for several hours Thursday night until they were told that officials from FEMA and the state of Louisiana couldn't confirm the request from Jefferson Parish.<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>link: <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0905/256871.html">www.wjla.com/news/stories/0905/256871.html</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> (removed)<br>link: <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.zwire.com/site/tab1.cfm?newsid=15144436&BRD=2553&PAG=461&dept_id=506035&rfi=6">www.zwire.com/site/tab1.cfm?newsid=15144436&BRD=2553&PAG=461&dept_id=506035&rfi=6</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>Loudoun relief crew turned away<br>By: Shannon Sollinger <br>09/02/2005<br><br>Loudoun Sheriff's deputies and emergency personnel were on their way to<br><br>hurricane-stricken Louisiana Thursday night but had to turn around when the federal government failed to come up with the required paperwork. <br><br>Sheriff Steve Simpson and his staff spent 12 hours trying to get the Federal Emergency<br><br>Management Agency and the State of Louisiana Emergency Operations Center to act act. They didn't, and the 20 deputies and six emergency medical technicians - all volunteers -- turned around and came back to Loudoun.<br><br><br>The deputies' experience brings to our doorsteps a glaring illustration of the chaos in<br><br>the wake of Hurricane Katrina. But it does not dampen the deputies' willingness to assist: They may try again next week.<br><br>The deputies packed up to head south after a request from the Jefferson Parish Sheriff's Department. The department serves an area around New Orleans.<br><br>Deputies left Leesburg at 9 p.m. Thursday. They reached Harrisonburg at midnight and were told that neither FEMA nor the Louisiana was willing to act on the request from Jefferson Parish.<br><br>The deputies were to have been sworn in as local law enforcement officers and would have worked with teams in some of the most devastated areas. The relief team had gathered enough supplies to be self-sufficient for up to 14 days.<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>Link: <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0905/256903.html">www.wjla.com/news/stories/0905/256903.html</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>Relief Convoy From Loudoun Ordered To Turn Around <br> Friday September 02, 2005 7:00pm<br><br>McLean, Va. (AP) - A caravan of Loudoun County sheriff's deputies, loaded with supplies and volunteers willing to assist police in Louisiana in maintaining order, never made it out of Virginia after the sheriff said bureaucratic delays forced them to turn around early Friday. <br><br>The confusion surrounding the incident demonstrated the difficulties of coordinating efforts to help the victims of Hurricane Katrina. <br><br>Loudoun Sheriff Stephen Simpson said he organized a troop of 22 volunteer deputies and six emergency medical technicians in response to a call for help that came from the sheriff in Jefferson Parish in suburban New Orleans. <br><br>The deputies were equipped with food, water, gasoline and other supplies not only for themselves but also to replenish Jefferson Parish, Simpson said. The deputies had tents and were prepared for a stay of at least seven days. <br><br>The Loudoun convoy had planned to depart at noon Thursday, but was delayed for nine hours seeking final approval from Virginia or Louisiana emergency officials. Not wanting to wait any longer, they departed Thursday night, hoping to get the paperwork cleared en route. <br><br>By the time the group got to Harrisonburg - several hours south of Loudoun County - Simpson said Lousiana State Police told him shortly after midnight Friday that they didn't want any help and would likely be turned away if they arrived. <br><br>"I had no dreaming idea I'd be told, 'Don't come,"' Simpson said Friday afternoon. "We could have been there by now." <br><br>Simpson said he was told that state police were concerned about issues like housing the deputies and finding a place to put their trucks and vans. Simpson said his volunteers were prepared to be self-sufficient and would not have been a burden. <br><br>He said he considered continuing to Louisiana without authorization, but ultimately decided to turn back. <br><br>Louisiana State Police Chief Col. Henry Whitehorn said Friday evening that the accusation that state police refused help is "simply not true." <br><br>"I would never refuse assistance from another agency, nor would I turn away aid," Whitehorn said. "I am offended by the report that the Louisiana State Police is refusing help." <br><br>Whitehorn referred to the Emergency Management Assistance Compact, signed after Hurricane Katrina by Louisiana and 47 other states, including Virginia, that outlines how states can get help from other states during times of disaster. Louisiana law enforcement agencies must get approval from emergency officials before bringing in help in order to be reimbursed. <br><br>"There is nothing to prevent an official from acquiring the assistance of another law enforcement agency and adsorbing the cost in their budget," Whitehorn said. "However, if an agency wants reimbursement from FEMA (website - news) , they must follow the application process required by the EMAC agreement." <br><br>But Simpson, who calls Whitehorn's denial "damage control," said it isn't the question of reimbursement for his deputies, but of liability. Simpson said he couldn't send his deputies and the EMTs into an area where there's looting and killing without them being insured. <br><br>"I cannot do that. I will not do that," Simpson said Friday night. <br><br>Bob Spieldenner, a spokesman for the Virginia Department of Emergency Management, initially said Friday that a team of 100 Virginia state troopers with its own communications unit was better suited to meet the parish's needs and would be sent in Loudoun's place. Later, though, he said state police are evaluating a request from Mississippi, not Louisiana. <br><br>Spieldenner, while emphasizing that Loudoun County did nothing wrong, said it would have been unwise for Loudoun to respond to the crisis outside the designated emergency management network. <br><br>"When people just show up, it causes chaos," he said. "It doesn't help a concise response. That's one of the lessons learned from 9/11." <br><br>Spieldenner said Friday that Virginia emergency management officials were busy coordinating the logistics of a statewide response to aid the Gulf Coast states, but first had to work through issues like housing and feeding those who respond and ensuring they have proper immunizations. <br><br>"I think the response is happening a lot faster than people see," he said. "But it has to be coordinated. You have to do it right." <br><br>Simpson said, "We didn't self dispatch. ... We tried to go by the process, but the process was ignoring us," and that desperate pleas for help from local law enforcement are going unmet as a result. <br><br>Simpson said the supplies remain packed and his volunteers may still deploy if the approvals can be sorted out. <br><br>Corinne Geller, a spokeswoman for Virginia State Police, said Friday that the police superintendent was evaluating a request from Mississippi to send two tactical platoons, about 110 personnel. <br><br>On Friday, some state troopers began receiving tetanus immunizations in preparation for a possible deployment. State police already have sent a helicopter and two pilots equipped with rescue equipment to Louisiana. <br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Discussion:<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>Loudoun Deputies Can´t Reach FEMA, Louisiana Officials<br>Friday September 02, 2005 5:33am<br><br>Leesburg (AP) - A group of Loudoun County Sheriff´s deputies headed to help police in New Orleans have had to turn around and come back.<br><br>Their attempts to get confirmation from the Federal Emergency Management Agency and Louisiana state officials have gone unanswered over 12 hours.<br><br>A spokesman for the Loudoun Sheriff´s office says their assistance was requested by the Sheriff´s Department of Jefferson Parish near New Orleans through the National Sheriff´s Association.<br><br>The group of 22 deputies and six emergency technicians left Leesburg last night. But when they reached the Virginia border, they were told to turn around.<br><br>The deputies were headed to an area near New Orleans to help maintain order. They were carrying extra guns, ammunition and supplies.<br><br>Additional:<br>1932 <br>NewsHour was in Jefferson Parish yesterday.<br><br><br>They talked to people who walked three days to get there and found nothing when they arrived.<br><br>No food, no shelter, nothing.<br><br>There was a church at the foot of the bridge from N.O. that was letting people wash, but that was it.<br><br>The Jefferson Parish policy had to put everyone in the police departmentl. They had nothing for them.<br><br>One victim of the flood said that the first night the police stood around the victims with rifles, which she said made the experience even worse (treating them like criminals when they were starving and tired).<br><br>knitter4democracy<br>My friend, a nurse, tried all day to find out how to get down there.<br><br><br>She was told that they're not accepting any volunteers now because they don't have the systems in place to deal with them. WTF??!!! She finally got a call back from the Red Cross, will go to a special training session next week, and then get sent somewhere after that.<br><br>She's an intensive care unit and ER nurse, and FEMA turned her down. She called a local ambulance unit after that and found out that they'd been turned down, too. She's wondering if it's because they don't want people seeing how badly they're handling it. She's pissed because people are dying down there for no good reason.<br><br>NYC <br>She called in the feds.<br><br>There's a PDF requesting federal aid on August 28th. There is also a jpeg, thanks to bpilgrim.<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://news.globalfreepress.com/katrina/Disaster_Relief_Request">news.globalfreepress.com/katrina/Disaster_Relief_Request</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Continued... <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Katrina LIHOP stack

Postby DrDebugDU » Sun Sep 04, 2005 1:44 pm

CNO directed US naval ships to gulf coast - ON HIS OWN INITIATIVE<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2055338">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2055338</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br>Link: <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.house.gov/kirk">www.house.gov/kirk</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br> paineinthearse<br><br>Did I hear Rep. Kirk (Rethug, Illinois 10) - http://www.house.gov/kirk / - just a few minutes ago, on the House floor, during the gulf coast supplemental funding authorization debate, say words to the effect "...I want to commend the CNO (chief of naval operations) for sending, on his own initiative, US naval ships to the affected area...".<br><br>Not General Peter Pace, Chair of the Joint Chiefs<br>Not Rummy<br>Not *<br><br>A man about 5th or 6th down the chain of command!<br><br>======<br><br>Perhaps a member of Rep. Kirk's district can call a district office and get confirmation. For anyone who has interest, this will be in Thomas Tuesday (I'm heading out).<br><br>Additional info:<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://neworleans.indymedia.org/news/2005/09/3941.php">neworleans.indymedia.org/news/2005/09/3941.php</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>paineinthearse<br>Need help with verification<br><br>I'm going away for a few days.<br><br>Later today, or certainly by Tuesday, Kirk's words will be in Thomas.<br><br>Go to http://thomas.loc.gov/home/r109query.html, filter on today's day and member's name. <br><br>See what the transcript reads.<br><br>thanks<br><br>==========<br><br>http://clerk.house.gov/floorsummary/floor.html<br><br>Now that I review the Clerk's records, I cannot recall if this was during debate of 3645 or during special order speeches, but Thomas will reveal.<br><br>3:57 P.M. -<br>The House adjourned pursuant to S. Con. Res. 51. The next meeting is scheduled for 2:00 p.m. on September 6, 2005.<br>On motion to adjourn Agreed to by voice vote.<br><br>Mr. Strickland moved that the House do now adjourn.<br><br><br>3:56 P.M. -<br>The Speaker designated the Honorable Mac Thornberry to act as Speaker pro tempore to sign enrolled bills and joint resolutions through September 6, 2005<br><br>3:43 P.M. -<br>SPECIAL ORDER SPEECHES - The House resumed Special Order speeches.<br><br>3:42 P.M. -<br>The House received a message from the Senate. The Senate passed H.R. 3645.<br><br>1:58 P.M. -<br>SPECIAL ORDER SPEECHES - The House has concluded all anticipated legislative business and has proceeded to Special Order speeches.<br><br>1:51 P.M. -<br>ONE MINUTE SPEECHES - The House proceeded with one minute speeches.<br><br>S. Con. Res. 51:<br>providing for a conditional adjournment or recess of the Senate, and a conditional adjournment or recess of the House of Representatives<br><br>1:50 P.M. -<br>Motion to reconsider laid on the table Agreed to without objection.<br>On agreeing to the resolution Agreed to without objection.<br><br><br>1:49 P.M. -<br>Considered as privileged matter.<br><br>H.R. 3645:<br>making emergency supplemental appropriations to meet immediate needs arising from the consequences of Hurricane Katrina, for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2005, and for other purposes<br><br>Motion to reconsider laid on the table Agreed to without objection.<br>On passage Passed by voice vote.<br><br>The previous question was ordered pursuant to a previous order of the House.<br><br><br>1:43 P.M. -<br>DEBATE - The House resumed debate on H.R. 3645.<br>The House received a message from the Senate. The Senate agreed to S. Con. Res. 51.<br><br><br>H.R. 3645:<br>making emergency supplemental appropriations to meet immediate needs arising from the consequences of Hurricane Katrina, for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2005, and for other purposes<br><br>1:22 P.M. -<br>DEBATE - Pursuant to the previous order of the House, the House proceeded with 10 minutes of debate on H.R. 3645.<br><br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Holy shit. Cafferty surmises that the Bush photo op and the convoy<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4586627&mesg_id=4586627">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4586627&mesg_id=4586627</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>utopiansecretagent<br>Holy shit. Cafferty surmises that the Bush photo op and the convoy<br>of supplies is no coincidence!<br><br>He is pissed!<br><br>He had Blitzer stammering trying to respond to this!<br><br>He says it is an outright embarrasment.<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>post: not getting authorization from FEMA<br>I was watching the local news on the NBC affiliate<br>http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4578745&mesg_id=4583348<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>Penndems<br>Minstrel Boy, I was watching the local news on the NBC affiliate<br><br><br>in D.C. this morning. The anchor said that a van full of water, food, supplies, medicines, as well as Loudoun County sheriff's deputies and fire and rescue workers left Leesburg, Virginia this morning, heading for the Gulf Coast and New Orleans. They had to turn around and come back, because FEMA HAD NOT GIVEN THEM THE NECESSARY AUTHORIZATION TO GO AND DISTRIBUTE SUPPLIES.<br><br>This is absolutely outrageous. I called this morning to volunteer with the Red Cross and be sent to the Gulf region. As of 1:25 EDT, I still haven't heard anything back (although they may call later).<br><br>How, the name of everything that's holy, could something like this HAPPEN? This is AMERICA, for God's sake. We can send troops to Iraq to fight a war we shouldn't have started to begin with, but we can't send troops to help people in the LARGEST humanitarian crisis we've ever had in this country? Dear God!<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>See middle of this post for mid-level officer in NG reaction<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1746396&mesg_id=1746500">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1746396&mesg_id=1746500</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>JPZenger<br>We Don't See the People in the Rafters<br><br><br>Edited on Fri Sep-02-05 02:43 PM by JPZenger<br><br>One refugee said that we see the people on top of their roofs from helicopters. What we don't see in the media is the many people who have climbed into the rafters and attics of their homes to get away from floodwaters, and who haven't been able to break through the roofs.<br>-----<br>Part of the problem is that New Orleans has been sinking over the years, because it was built on a swamp that is compacting over time. Also, the coast around New Orleans has been disappearing - reducing the city's protection from storms. Large wetland areas between the City and Gulf have disappeared over the last 80 years.<br><br>New Orleans is about 70% Black. There was massive White flight from the City in the last couple decades. As a result, the Whites live in better drained areas outside of the City. Most of the minorities lived in the lowest lying parts of the City. The county that includes New Orleans has the 7th highest poverty rate in the country.<br><br>----<br>I talked to a mid-level officer in the National Guard last night. He is waiting for the phone call to go, but hasn't received any word. He was extremely angry about the response. He said that the President should have immediately federalized all the National Guard units in the surrounding states. He said there is no excuse for not having enough food and water on the ground - with the military's heavy duty Chinook helicopters and the C-5A military transports - which are some of the largest planes in the world.<br><br>----<br>I got very angry listening to an interview yesterday afternoon on NPR with Homeland Secretary Chertoff. Chertoff was giving happyspeak about everything going fine. He said there were 2,400 National Guard in New Orleans (which is also about the same number of Louisiana National Guard that are in Iraq). He said that there was sufficient security on the ground in New Orleans. The NPR anchorman then laid into him. <br><br>NPR had just helped break the story about the thousands of people at the Convention Center who had NO food, no water, no medical care and no security. A 10 year old girl had been raped. People had been told to go there. Chertoff said he wouldn't respond to "rumors." The anchorman said, this isn't a rumor - two of our reporters were just there, and they are still on the phone line. He said these are reporters who not only covered previous hurricanes, but have covered wars. <br><br>www.npr.org<br><br>---<br>Meanwhile, yesterday, Rush Limbaugh blamed the problems on political corruption in New Orleans politics. In response to claims that wetlands destruction and global warming worsened the crisis, Limbaugh said "We couldn't destroy the environment if we wanted too." Meanwhile, Michael Savage yesterday was wondering where the people of New Orleans are going to get their illegal drugs.<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>planes did NOT report being shot at<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4582951&mesg_id=4582951">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4582951&mesg_id=4582951</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=1087205">abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=1087205</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>-snip-<br><br>Laura Brown, a Federal Aviation Administration spokeswoman in Washington, said she had no such report.<br><br>"We're controlling every single aircraft in that airspace and none of them reported being fired on," she said, adding that the FAA was in contact with the military as well as civilian aircraft.<br>-snip-<br>Additional info:<br>Nothing Without Hope<br>I am not surprised at all - and pleased to hear this correction REPORTED<br><br><br>The rumor of those shots could be due to something reported in another thread - shots fired NOT AT planes or rescuers but to SIGNAL where people are waiting for rescue:<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4571563">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4571563</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>Or the rumor could have been deliberately planted, which would fit my personal theory that the neocons WANT us all to erupt in divisive violence so that they can invoke a Pentagon-driven domestic military police force around the country. Very scary scenario and I do have reasons for suspecting it. But you know what? It doesn't matter in the short term whether the cut funding and criminal delays that are resulting in so much more devastation and death are the result of callousness, greed and incompetence "only" or due to truly malicious deliberate planning. Either way, we must channel our horror and outrage as well as our compassion and hunger to help into well-planned, effective nonviolent actions that will unite and energize the country for<br>1. aid and resources to the suffering and homeless – everything they need to start their recovery and start healing their trauma as much as can be done<br>2. organization of how to unite and respond nonviolently and most effectively now and henceforth<br>3. inspiration of the American public with effective goals to create true change<br>4. US regime change<br>5. Joining the world community and moving forward<br><br>And yes, I am collecting the ever-lengthening list of evidence for the criminally negligent (at the least) actions of this Administration. They will not succeed in lying their way through this one. Never again. This is the turning point.<br><br>[/quote]<br><br>I am waaaaaaaaaay out on a limb here ........<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2052697&mesg_id=2052697">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2052697&mesg_id=2052697</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>Husb2Sparkly<br><br>I am waaaaaaaaaay out on a limb here ........<br><br><br>I had one of those unsolicited, unanticipated thoughts that we all get from time to time. Thoughts that you never believe you're capable of thinking ..... but then you do ......<br><br>The thought is this: The neglect of the victims, particularly in New Orleans, is intentional.<br><br>It allows the cabal to show live on prime time teevee how bad our citizens are. It demonstrates clearly, in living color, the need to impose martial law.<br><br>And so it is done. Martial law.<br><br>Order.<br><br>People evacuated.<br><br>Lives saved.<br><br>Because of martial law.<br><br>Martial law .... its a good thing.<br><br>As I said ... this is a random thought that just jumped into my addled brain. I'm not saying its true, cuz it couldn't be.<br><br>Could it?<br><br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>WHY is this being allowed to happen?<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4561501&mesg_id=4561501">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4561501&mesg_id=4561501</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>LibraLiz1973<br>WHY is this being allowed to happen?<br><br><br>I'm watching NBC Nightly News & the stories they just showed were heartbreaking. I have been crying now since 6:30. Why are people not marching to Washington and DEMANDING Bush's resignation? This is sheer fucking insanity! <br><br>NBC News was actually showing footage of people who died at the Super Dome who were clutching pieces of paper on how to contact their families. There was a young girl (10-12?) who had a diabetes incident- thank god there is a nurse there (She believes she is the only one & therefore will not move so that she can HELP people)& the girl was saved. People are literally losing their minds because they are beyond exhausted, thirsty & hungry. Not to mention dirty and scared. You see helicopters getting in there & yet THEY AREN'T DROPPING FOOD OR WATER!!!!!!!!!!!! People are still stranded on their roof tops. <br><br>Chaos erupts amid New Orleans’ desperation<br>Local official blames FEMA for ‘national disgrace’; toll in Mississippi hits 126<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9156612/">www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9156612/</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/rids/20050901/i/r4162610761.jpg"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br>A building burns in a flooded area near the Louisiana Super Dome in New Orleans September 1, 2005. Rotting bodies littered New Orleans' streets on Thursday and troops headed in to control looting and violence, as thousands of desperate survivors of Hurricane Katrina pleaded to be evacuated from the flooded city, or even just fed.<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/afp/20050901/capt.sge.dxn30.010905222509.photo03.photo.default-384x259.jpg"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br>89-year-old Dorothy Divic (L), near death and in and out of consciousness, is anguished over by relatives outside the New Orleans Convention Center in New Orleans, Louisana.<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050901/capt.laeg12109012131.hurricane_katrina_laeg121.jpg"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br>Milvertha Hendricks, 84, center waits in the rain with other flood victims outside the convention center in New Orleans, Thursday, Sept. 1, 2005<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/nm/20050901/2005_09_01t132840_450x255_us_weather_katrina.jpg"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br>Residents wait on a roof top to be rescued from the floodwaters of Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans September 1, 2005. Authorities suspended an evacuation of New Orleans on Thursday after a reported shooting at a U.S. military helicopter and President George W. Bush urged 'zero tolerance' for lawlessness in the wake of Hurricane Katrina<br><br>Randi: "I am starting to believe that this is what they wanted" n/t<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4555906#4556443">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4555906#4556443</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>Additional:<br>Minstrel Boy<br>Incompetence cannot explain this!<br><br>These bastards ALWAYS evade responsibility by being CREDITED with incompetence.<br><br>This is EXACTLY what they want.<br><br>Additional:<br>seemslike<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://img288.imageshack.us/img288/5281/body3qz.jpg"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br><br>Continued... <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Katrina LIHOP stack

Postby DrDebugDU » Sun Sep 04, 2005 1:58 pm

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh, its Strategy of Tension, got it.<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4556189&mesg_id=4556189">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4556189&mesg_id=4556189</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>lala_rawraw (1000+ posts) <br>Thu Sep-01-05 07:55 PM<br>Original message<br><br>Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh, its Strategy of Tension, got it.<br><br>I see, now, why would help come when the situation will become nightmarish and the country will go bonkers and Chertoff can then, finally, declare full martial law. Ah, now I get it.<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Anyone know what happened to the Scanner Feed I had been listening to?<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4556646#4556813">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4556646#4556813</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>AValdoux<br>3. Call me paranoid but...<br><br>... I mentioned the scanner in my email to CNN telling them to cover this honestly because we were getting the truth from police scanners on the internet. I didn't give a link. It was about 15 minutes ago. Am I being paranoid?<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Reporter on WWL-TV "Same amount of choppers in the air....<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4560552">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4560552</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>Zeebo <br>Reporter on WWL-TV "Same amount of choppers in the air....<br><br>Coast Guard, Chinooks, etc. as yesterday" But we can't get them to drop some GOD DAMN water to the people dying in the city?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?<br><br>This is unfucking believable!!!!!!!!!!!!!<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>THE BOY SCOUTS!! THE FREAKING BOY SCOUTS!!<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4558434">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4558434</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>Did I just hear this hand job asshole from FEMA (with no experience) say the are mobilizing the BOY SCOUTS???<br><br>He actually said THE FREAKING BOY SCOUTS!!!<br><br>Good GOD who the hell is in charge here????<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>FEMA to Russia: Don't send aid!<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4557266">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4557266</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br>Link: <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/08/31/katrina/main807164.shtml">www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/08/31/katrina/main807164.shtml</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://<br><!--EZCODEQUOTESTART--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>MOSCOW(AP)TheU.S.FederalEmergencyManagementAgencyhasrejectedaRussianoffertosendrescueteamsandotheraidinthewakeofHurricaneKatrina,aRussianemergencyofficialsaidThursday.<br><br>Russiaofferedtosendtwotransportplaneswithrescueteams,helicoptersandotherequipmenttohelpdealwithKatrina'saftermath.<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODEQUOTEEND--><br><br>LIESfromFEMA!!!<br><!--EZCODELINKSTART--><ahref="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4558159&mesg_id=45">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4558159&mesg_id=45</a><!--EZCODELINKEND--"><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>MOSCOW (AP) The U.S. Federal Emergency Management Agency has rejected a Russian offer to send rescue teams and other aid in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, a Russian emergency official said Thursday.<br><br>Russia offered to send two transport planes with rescue teams, helicopters and other equipment to help deal with Katrina's aftermath.<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>LIES from FEMA!!!<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4558159&mesg_id=45">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4558159&mesg_id=45</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>Brown: "we were ready to move in once Katrina moved out, but then the levees broke."<br><br>This is a boldfaced lie that should be challenged by everyone now!!<br><br>Additional:<br>Neecy<br>3. jesus!<br><br>Now he's telling the media what they should be reporting!<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Why did it seem like a lightbulb came on in the FEMA guy's head when<br>Anderson Cooper mentioned air lifting food.<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4557950">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4557950</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>Melodybe<br><br>Anderson Cooper mentioned air lifting food.<br><br>The look on his face was like, "airlifting food! great idea!"<br><br>Stupid assholes.<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>what the aircraft carrier will really do<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4557762">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4557762</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>they are reporting that the aircraft carrier is ready to leave for the 5 day trip to NO where it will be the command center for the rescue, etc.<br><br>and I bet they will stay and be the command center for rebuilding the oil/gas/chemical plants and for building new stuff. with all the money congress will give them like they give to the airlines.<br><br>NO is just in the way<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Edit: Okay, apparenty I need to make it quite explicit that I'm not suggesting that the Bush Admin caused the hurricane. What I am quite sure that they caused is a massive, death-dealing, wholly unnecessary delay in getting help to hurricane victims especially in New Orleans, but possibly elsewhere as well.<br><br>There's plenty of complicity in the fact that funding for Corps of Engeineers projects, etc. was cut severely and withheld in other cases. But my main focus in this thread has been the more immediate matter of the response to the disaster itself, or the lack thereof. When you've got top tier naval officers taking the initiative on their own to send ships to the area (as just one example), you've got a problem that is more than mere incompetence, more than a matter of simple oversight or lack of communications or "no one thought about levees breaking or planes being flown into skyscrapers."<br><br>Continued... <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Katrina LIHOP stack

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SittingBull<br>11. German top-state-newswire ARD with "Tagesschau"<br><br><br>confirms these alligations....<br><br>Rescue teams showed up for phony medial pictures with Bush.<br><br>In German:<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.tagesschau.de/aktuell/meldungen/0,1185,OID4692830,00.html">www.tagesschau.de/aktuell/meldungen/0,1185,OID4692830,00.html</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>To be copied in your video player:<br>mms://213.254.239.51/tagesschau/msmedia/2005/0902/TV-20050902-2032-4601.wm.hi.wmv<br><br>From the last report. Now live from Biloxi, Christina Adelhard (sp?)<br><br>Two minutes ago the President has passed here in his convoy, but what has happened here in Biloxi during the day is unimaginable. Suddenly salvage troops appeared. Suddenly clean up crews appeared . That was something the people had not witnessed here before and that in an area where it was not necessary to clean up on a grand scale, because nobody lives here anymore. The people have moved on into the city. Nevertheless the President travels here. The press therefore can take wonderful pictures which is supposed to suggest that the President where there and the help will also arrive. The scale of the natural catastrophe has shocked me, but the level of choreography has also shocked me. With this we return to Hamburg.<br><br>German State Television ARD and ZDF. News bulletin 20:04:34-20:05:23 Sept 2nd 2005.<br><br>MP3 file of the interview:<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://rapidshare.de/files/4684828/01-_tagesschau_de_-_tagesschau__20_00_Uhr__02_09_05.mp3.html">rapidshare.de/files/4684828/01-_tagesschau_de_-_tagesschau__20_00_Uhr__02_09_05.mp3.html</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4604358">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4604358</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>FloridaPat (1000+ posts) <br>Fri Sep-02-05 08:51 PM<br>Response to Original message<br><br>16. People with short wave sets saying radios are being jammed. Story about a news person and photographer. Stop by authorities. Reporters notebook take, photographers camera destroyed and both told to leave the city.<br><br>bpilgrim (1000+ posts) <br>Sat Sep-03-05 06:36 PM<br>Response to Reply #56<br><br>154. the levee broke 6 days ago on MONDAY<br><br>it is documented on WDSU's blog<br><br>nicknameless (663 posts) <br>Sun Sep-04-05 05:50 AM<br>Response to Reply #52<br><br>197. "disgusting non response to Hurricane Katrina"<br><br>But BushCo DID respond:<br>They kept people in lock-down in filthy conditions, without food or water.<br>They prevented food drops.<br>They turned away national and international rescuers.<br>They prevented the Red Cross's relief efforts.<br><br>Bush showed up, with the press and sometimes even staging props, for photo-ops, trying to make it look like he was trying to help the hurricane victims. Of course, he and any props disappeared immediately after his empty speeches were completed.<br><br>So, BushCo actually did a lot.<br><br>CNN BREAKING: concerns of rioting breaking out at convention center<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4592955">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4592955</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>gp (566 posts) <br>Sat Sep-03-05 12:03 AM<br>Original message<br><br>CNN BREAKING: concerns of rioting breaking out at convention center<br><br>cnn live...barbara starr reporting...situation is deteriorating...night begining to fall..area not secure...<br><br>national guard commander insisting for troops to keep their weapons down...apparently troops edgy<br><br>Spazito (1000+ posts) <br>Sat Sep-03-05 12:07 AM<br>Response to Original message<br><br>6. Her tone and tenor has drastically changed from the time when she was enbedded with the relief trucks going into NO. She was positively exuberent, she now sound quite frightened, imo.<br><br>What stood out for me was there are STILL NO BUSES for the people at the convention center! Now that bush's photo-op is done, it looks like everything is back to 'normal', aka TARFU<br><br>Editing my post to add this:<br>It seems SOME were able to get buses in a more timely manner than others:<br><br>3:34 P.M. - (AP) The evacuation of Superdome refugees was interrupted briefly when school buses rolled up so some 700 guests and employees from the Hyatt hotel. They were move to the head of the line to be evacuated -- much to the amazement of those who had been crammed in the stinking Superdome for days.<br><br>The 700 had been trapped in the Hyatt just like the others, but conditions were considerably cleaner, even without running water, than the unsanitary crush inside the dome.<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.wwltv.com/local/stories/WWLBLOG.ac3fcea.html">www.wwltv.com/local/stories/WWLBLOG.ac3fcea.html</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>Peace Patriot<br>115. I think you're being naive, Will. And do you really think that the war<br><br><br>profiteering corporate news monopolies should be the measure of what is serious (i.e., "they will chuckle and shake their heads and hit delete"<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START ;) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> ? They chuckled and shook their heads and deleted an entire war!<br><br>We really do need to STOP making presumptions of innocence, stupidity, incompetence, or inadvertent consequences with regard to the actions of these mass murderers and master thieves. We need to understand their true goals--or we will never be able to find a strategy to defeat them.<br><br>Let me give you an example. Was it innocent, stupid, incompetent or inadvertent that we ended up with the Bushites and far rightwing billionaires who run two electronic voting machine companies--Diebold and ES&S-- gaining control over the tabulation of 80% our votes with secret, proprietary programming code? Was that just an accident of good ol' American free enterprise, or the typical malfeasance of corrupt election officials?<br><br>Well, if you think that it was, then you are very naive, indeed. <br><br>I think that the testing out of new weapons of crowd control, new uses of martial law, such as substituting Army regulars for homegrown National Guards, and trying out various fascist powers conferred by the Patriot Act, are quite feasible as an explanation of the Bush Cartel's true goals in this Gulf disaster. In fact, it is very difficult to explain their actions--or rather inactions and positive obstructions--in any other way. <br><br>Say--for the sake of argument--that the defunding of FEMA (an 80% cut in the Gulf region!), the appointment of incompetents, the lack of supplies, the halving of the National Guard (half gone to Iraq), and the seemingly incomprehensible lack of emergency response to tens of thousands of dying people, were merely the result of the Bushites' lack of belief in government, and that, as a consequence of this bad policy, the hurricane took them by surprise. How does that explain Bush staying on holiday and going golfing?<br><br>ANY president who was not being managed as the puppet of real evildoers with real bad purposes would not have responded to this by going golfing--even if it was the result of his bad policy. He would have taken immediate action to mobilize all the nation's resources to drop food, water, and rescue and security personnel into the worst hit areas. IMMEDIATE action. And he sure as hell would have FOUND someone who could take charge of this disaster--or run it himself from the White House situation room. Or, say the president was whacko or drunk or just plain stupid, or whatever the hell is the matter with this man. SOMEBODY in a government that wasn't being run by real evildoers for real bad purposes would have responded by immediately mobilizing resources and taking charge of the situation--no matter what their philosophy of government was! <br><br>George Bush, Dick Cheney, Andrew Card, Condi Rice--all on vacation! It is, in truth, nearly incomprehensible until you start looking at it as deliberate.<br><br>Where is their pride? Where is their patriotism? Where is their human feeling? No leaders in their right minds would react this way--unless they had ulterior motives. Even from a public relations point of view--which is not unimportant in a disaster like this--how could they permit the president to be off fundraising and golfing??!!<br><br>So it is quite natural and reasonable to wonder what their motives might be, and to try to figure out what's really going on--for our own safety and well being, and also for determining what to do, how to respond ourselves to this horrendous disaster. (What CAN we do? Where to put pressure? Where best to send or give help? And how to react to the incomprehensible behavior of federal authorities, to get help to these poor people? For instance, should the Red Cross disobey FEMA orders to stay out of the region? Should we pressure the Red Cross to go in anyway?)<br><br>There ARE other possibilities--other than a Homeland Security exercise with live human rats. For instance, that the Bushites are all quite distracted by pending indictments for treason--and have themselves become "rats in a sinking ship." Or, they're too busy with their plans to nuke Iraq and Syria to bother with a large chunk of the United States just falling off the map. <br><br>I don't think it's possible to know quite yet what nefarious scheme may be afoot in the Gulf coast, but I don't think it's fair to say that thoughts along these lines are "ass-backwards." What has been ass- backwards, in my opinion, is we, the people, NOT catching on to the true goals of this fascist coup, and naively refusing to see it for what it is. They are not stupid; they are not befuddled; they are not blinded by "conservative" (I have to laugh) economic theory, or neocon geomancy. Right now, in Iraq--and for the last two years--they have been using the very techniques of brutal oppression that they would very much like to use here, and which we may very well be seeing the first taste of in New Orleans. Starvation, lack of water, medical care and public order; the reduction of human beings to animals, humiliation, chaos, gangsterism, "shoot to kill" policies, terror, and enslavement. And no-bid contracts to Halliburton, to loot our last taxpayers' dollars with. <br><br>What was it Donald Rumsfeld said about the looting in Baghdad--equating looting with freedom ("...freedom's untidy. And free people are free to make mistakes and commit crimes"<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START ;) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> . Does anyone still believe that the looting of Baghdad was a mistake? A result of poor planning and incompetence? They WANTED Baghdad to be in chaos--"All the better to eat you with, my dear!"<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4605494#4605754">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4605494#4605754</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>Minstrel Boy (1000+ posts) <br>Sat Sep-03-05 03:33 PM<br>Original message<br><br>Army Times: "Troops begin COMBAT operations in New Orleans"<br><br>NEW ORLEANS — Combat operations are underway on the streets “to take this city back” in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.<br><br>“This place is going to look like Little Somalia,” Brig. Gen. Gary Jones, commander of the Louisiana National Guard’s Joint Task Force told Army Times Friday as hundreds of armed troops under his charge prepared to launch a massive citywide security mission from a staging area outside the Louisiana Superdome. “We’re going to go out and take this city back. This will be a combat operation to get this city under control.”<br><br>...<br><br>“We’re here to do whatever they need us to do,” Sgt. 1st Class Ron Dixon, of the Oklahoma National Guard’s 1345th Transportation Company. “We packed to stay as long as it takes.”<br><br>While some fight the insurgency in the city, other carry on with rescue and evacuation operations. Helicopters are still pulling hundreds of stranded people from rooftops of flooded homes.<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.armytimes.com/story.php?f=1-292925-1077495.php">www.armytimes.com/story.php?f=1-292925-1077495.php</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>MADem (1000+ posts) <br>Sat Sep-03-05 05:48 PM<br>Response to Reply #73<br><br>81. I heard the newshead say so, I think on MSNBC<br><br>It was a female, right after his morning presser. She said active duty were going to augment, and PC was lifted for this purpose in NOLA. She might be mistaken, but I know what I heard--she specifically said PC limitation was lifted.<br><br>Edit to add this: Bush sending active-duty troops to region damaged by hurricane<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.shreveporttimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050903/NEWS/50903022">www.shreveporttimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050903/NEWS/50903022</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>By Deb Riechmann<br>The Associated Press<br><br>WASHINGTON — President Bush, seeking to stem criticism that a slow federal response has contributed to needless misery, said today he is ordering additional active duty forces to the hurricane-battered Gulf Coast....Bush said 4,000 active duty troops are already in the area and 7,000 more will arrive in the next 72 hours from the Army’s 82nd Airborne from Fort Bragg, N.C., 1st Cavalry Division from Fort Hood, Texas, and the Marines’ 1st and 2nd Expeditionary forces from Camp Pendleton, Calif., and Camp Lejeune, N.C.<br><br>Those troops will be in addition to some 21,000 National Guard troops already in the region.<br><br>Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco and U.S. Sen. David Vitter, R-La., both requested active military troops on the ground in Louisiana...<br>Bush took the rare step of delivering his Saturday morning radio broadcast live from the White House Rose Garden with Rumsfeld, Chertoff and Gen. Richard Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, by his side.<br><br>...“He heard some things he didn’t want to believe at first,” said Sen. Mary Landrieu, D-La. “The president is starting to grasp the magnitude of the situation.”<br><br>Eloriel (1000+ posts) <br>Sat Sep-03-05 04:37 PM<br>Response to Reply #21<br><br>36. Exaggerated, IMO. For example, there was NO shooting at chopper<br><br>QUOTE: Laura Brown, a Federal Aviation Administration spokeswoman in Washington, said she had no such report.<br><br>"We're controlling every single aircraft in that airspace and none of them reported being fired on," she said, adding that the FAA was in contact with the military as well as civilian aircraft.<br><br>Evacuation Disrupted by Gunshot Report<br>Superdome Evacuation Disrupted by Report of Gunshot Fired at Military Helicopter; No Injuries Reported<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=1087205">abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=1087205</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>Media_Lies_Daily (1000+ posts) <br>Sat Sep-03-05 05:08 PM<br>Response to Reply #21<br><br>57. You treat this as you would ANY other law enforcement issue....<br><br>...New Orleans is NOT rebelling...they are NOT "insurgents"...they are AMERICANS that need to be rescued and taken out of a terrible situation. <br><br>They are AMERICANS for which help has been delayed past any reasonable excuses by the morons that claim to be running this country.<br><br>Do YOU really believe that the phrase "COMBAT OPERATIONS" should be used for an operation that SHOULD be a major rescue operation??<br><br>sattahipdeep (1000+ posts) <br>Sat Sep-03-05 04:25 PM<br>Response to Original message<br><br>25. "highly proficient in the use of lethal force."<br><br><br>Oh good.....send the shell shocked in....<br><br>Lt. Gen. Steven Blum, chief of National Guard, said that by Saturday night, there<br>will be 7,000 National Guard soldiers in New Orleans. He said half of them had just returned<br>from assignments overseas and are "highly proficient in the use of lethal force." He<br>pledged to put down the violence "in a quick and efficient manner. <br><br>Blackwater <br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4570927&mesg_id=4570927">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4570927&mesg_id=4570927</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>Lerkfish<br>Explain these facts, if not a strategy to impose martial law, what?<br><br><br>Edited on Sat Sep-03-05 03:00 PM by Lerkfish<br><br>that's why they wouldn't let them leave, that's why they fabricated or exaggerated the lawlessness.<br><br>they want to experiment in how they can set up martial law! the fuking bastards!<br><br><br><br><br><br>Isn't sending regular troops into our territory unconstitutional?<br><br><br>I wanted to add this to the OP:<br><br>1. we KNOW that false or exaggerated reports of violence are being made by FEMA (there are real acts of violence as well, but we also know of fabricated ones)<br>2. we KNOW that even in the face of people dying on the news, FEMA pretends to not know about it.<br>3. we KNOW that Bush and Chertoff and Brown all mention SECURITY priorities before RESCUE.<br>4. we KNOW that they have frequently halted aid getting in, for no apparent reason.<br>5. we KNOW the response has been beyond logical slowness to get NG there.<br>6. we KNOW other cities (like chicago) have offered assistance and been rebuffed<br>7. we KNOW relief efforts were initially started under various agencies, and then commandeered by the feds, after which nothing happened nor was allowed to happen for several days.<br>8. we KNOW that FEMA and HS have been working overtime to blame victims and to characterize them as looters and refugees.<br>9. we KNOW that local officials (like the mayor of NO and the gov of LA) have been vocal about the feds PREVENTING or REFUSING to offer aid when it was available.<br>10. we KNOW that the Red Cross has been barred entry.<br>11. we KNOW that folks at the convention are barred exit by an armed NG checkpoint<br>12. we KNOW that Harry Connick Jr. and news crews are able to drive their large trucks directly to the people but FEMA claims they can't.<br>13. we KNOW that individuals driving down to assist are being stopped by NG.<br>14. we KNOW that rich, white folk at the Ritz Carlton had their OWN NG UNIT as security and were evacuated before aid was brought to the convention center.<br>15. we KNOW that a "zero tolerance" for looting was announced early on<br>16. we KNOW that NG units were ordered to "shoot to kill".<br>17. we KNOW that Bush suddenly complains efforts are "unacceptable' and then announces a breach of posse comitas, that will not occur for at least 72 hours. That means, they are expecting to not evacuate people fully in that time, but they can ship in troops, actually INCREASING the number of mouths to feed and hydrate instead of reducing them.<br>18. we KNOW that they are spending a lot of PR time on Honore, the "John Wayne" take charge general, "getting the job done".<br>19. we KNOW that the purpose of the NG is to help in disasters, not be in Iraq, and we KNOW that the purpose of active troops is to be in Iraq, not on our soil. WHY would you swtich them?<br><br>let's connect the dots, shall<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Katrina LIHOP stack

Postby DrDebugDU » Sun Sep 04, 2005 2:14 pm

Eloriel (1000+ posts) <br>Fri Sep-02-05 09:29 PM<br>Response to Original message<br><br>39. And in the Cui Bono category -- someone jokingly predicted it earlier<br><br>I thought they were nuts. Turns out I am. After all this time, still not cynical enough. (Just like Lili Tomlin: No matter how cynical I get, I just can't keep up.)<br><br>Halliburton hired for storm cleanup<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1747674&mesg_id=1747674">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1747674&mesg_id=1747674</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br>Link: <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/business/3335685">www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/business/3335685</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>IndyOp (1000+ posts) <br>Fri Sep-02-05 09:41 PM<br>Response to Original message<br><br>44. Another View from Louisianna<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://forums.go.com/abc/thread?threadID=534069&forumStart=0">forums.go.com/abc/thread?threadID=534069&forumStart=0</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>Posted: Sep 02 @ 10:58 AM <br>by: susanblue (82 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 28, 2004<br><br>This is from a friend who lives in central LA, and has volunteered as relief worker. She lives a very small town, but they have taken on hundreds of refugees. It's long, but if you want to get an idea of how people in the surrounding area & victims themselves are feeling; it's a good read....<br><br>My thanks to all of you who have sent words of encouragement.....PRAYERS.......(really need those big time) and thanks too for the additional offers for assistance. I wasn't going to bother y'all with another email from here - but apparently some of you sharing them (which is fine) (there are lots of desperate people needing to be heard in general terms.) Since y'all are fielding questions on our behalf I'll take a stab at answering the ones you have sent to me. But remember please that my experience is just one voice in a very remote rural area. You have a better idea than I do, likely as not, what is going on statewide. I don't get all that much outside news here.<br><br>The state of Louisiana is in one of two worlds.<br><br>There is the situation that y'all are seeing on TV.<br><br>And then there is the support situation in the rest of the state. That is mainly those of us coping with the refugees... POST-hurricane alley. <br><br>The photos you see on TV are accurate judging from all of the eye witness accounts of new arrivals. For once it seems the media is NOT sensationalizing the story. It is every bit as horrible as you think it is.....and some of the stories we have been hearing (again - from eye witnesses - not from the rumor mill) will haunt you forever - so I am not going to share them. What you are already seeing will last you a lifetime.<br><br>The anger and outrage you see is not limited to New Orleans. The entire state (both worlds) are experiencing it. It is very, very difficult for us to comprehend why we are unable to get assistance. We understand YOU ARE SENDING IT.....but we are having trouble receiving it which is a puzzle in our advanced society<br><br>In my area...there is SOME relief present - but it has come slowly and it has been VERY frustrating to access it. <br><br>In addressing the delays in getting it here - eh....WE are NOT under water. We have a perfectly clear and dry interstate running into our area from Arkansas as well as Texas....we have an international airport twenty miles from here that lands military planes all the time....cargo planes....we are having difficulty understanding why the aid can't come in here....we are the center of the state. Barksdale Air Force Base is in this state. We are mystified by the hold ups. For New Orleans and for ourselves.<br><br>As I shared with you last night - our specific refugee camp is doing fine......we are sharing what we have (the refugees and the few local families in our remote area).....we are NOT fine because the stuff you are sending got here. Our own self reliance and willingness to share has gotten us to this point - NOT because any agency has offered assistance or because the government is helping us. <br><br>We just don't understand.<br><br>We don't' understand why it took the Congress a week to get to D.C. (they will get there by NEXT MONDAY??????) to pass a bill to help us ???? We don't get that. If you want to help us - ask your elected official where they were between at the point they knew a Category 5 hurricane was FOR SURE going to hit New Orleans (last Sunday).....between that day - and NEXT Monday (eight days later???) - where have they been?????<br><br>Please ask when they come back after a senate "fact finding mission".....or as they convene yet another expensive "commission" or committee investigation.....or hop over here to ladle a spoonful of food at a real<br>clean and sanitized shelter - before the TV camera - in a week or two - ask them where they were yesterday - on August 31st????? We would sort of appreciate it if they would answer that for you. That might help the next citizens in harm's way. <br><br>There will be LOTS of opportunities for photo ops....People will be suffering for a long, long time.<br><br>We don't understand why two nights ago the officials in charge put out a request for any and all type of boats to evacuate people from New Orleans. Boaters responded by the hundreds. Every person in our area including refugees answered the call. OVER 200 boats showed up to help. When they arrived they were told only twenty would be allowed to go and assist. We don't get that. People are dying. The Cajun boys in boats from around here grew up on the backwaters and bayous. They can drive the rivers and channels at night with ease. Why would we not send them in there. Their flat-bottom boats and airboats would have done some good as far as we can tell. They know the water ways here better than the highways. They are damn good shots, they are used to allegators.....and they have grit.....They are skilled in this area....more so than anyone unfamilar with these water ways. Why weren't they given a chance???<br><br>Central Louisiana organize a bus carvan two nights ago - on our own - to go and get people out of New Orleans...and they were turned back. TODAY the ordered our schools closed here and ordered every bus to come and help out. We didn't need to be ordered - we tried to do it a full day ahead of the order. <br><br>The coordination of efforts and resouces is non-existent as best we can tell.<br>The citizens in general seem more effective (or at the very least AS effective) as the alleged professionals with all the technology and machinery. <br><br>We know you are sending help to us - but they won't let the help we have mustered GIT ER DONE. And while we wait for the outside world to arrive - and the rule pushers to sanction our efforts ....people are dying. <br><br>Thank you for being frustrated with us. Thank you for your outpouring and compassion. Thank you for making noise. We know we are not alone. And we take extreme comfort in that fact. We can give generously and completely cuz we know help IS on the way.<br><br>Until then the puzzles will continue I expect.<br><br>We don't' understand why the Red Cross is refusing to feed refugees housed in homes all up and down the state. We are told they must be IN the shelter to have hand outs from the Red Cross - and yet the shelters are full - they can't HANDLE the people. So hundreds of citizens are taking them in - and assistance is being denied to those not in the shelters. The reason given for this - at least at our Red Cross office - is because "regular citizens" might try and take food they are not entitled to - so they can only feed those who are in their shelters. <br><br>OTHER agencies (not the Red Cross) are addressing that by simply asking to see an ID verifying that the refugee is from a devastated area. The address alone is proof they are from areas that no longer exist. And even after it has been discussed with the Red Cross (that this person can prove they are from a hard hit area) - still the Red Cross will not give them food.<br><br>The Central Louisiana Food Bank is - tomorrow - opening the doors for my group....finally (it will be five days after the fact).....finally they will get their first bit of help from an institution (as opposed to individuals). <br><br>So if you are going to give money - I recommend giving it to agencies who are actually getting the supplies to the needy. Some of the churches have decided to help by opening their own kitchens as the rules and regulations are simply not working in this particular disaster. It might have worked in the past but not this time. Give the money to your local church. They will get it to us. <br><br>If it helps you - in this area the Methodists and Baptists have definitely waived all the nonsense and cut throughout the red tape and they are feeding people. Period. All that money raised from concerts and such didn't feed them tonight. But lots of upstanding United States citizens did. I didn't witness it with my own eyes but I have heard the Salvation Army is getting food distributed and they are not worrying about requiring paperwork to get it. They are feeding hungry people. Period. Relief workers - whomever. And I say thank you to them for that. <br><br>It frustrates me a bit that for some reason the Red Cross - who is getting MOST OF THE MEDIA COVERAGE<br>seems the least responsive for those of us in the out laying areas. Which is not for one moment to say they are not going good things - I am sure they are - but they can't seem to cover it all. So I would like the agencies filling in the cracks to get recognized too. The Red Cross is a private agency - I think it would be okay to spread the wealth a bit.<br><br>It is more complex than what I am saying in this note. I understand that. But what I am sharing with you the frustration of relief workers and refugees.<br><br>Refugees are asking me how they can get money. I have no answers. <br>They HAVE money. But can't access it. And when they cannot get food from the relief centers - they need to buy it. (Well not in our area - we have it covered) but in most areas they are spending their own money to get food. <br><br>Example: one refugee has money in Chase Manhattan. We have a branch office not too far away so we contact them and they cannot release funds to this person. Why? Because the refugee's branch office no longer exists and they cannot verify his funds????<br><br>There is a woman here who needs baby formula - and she is a welfare mom - who..in the process of evacuation lost her identification - so the social workers says they cannot help her. Interestingly enough a private citizen did help her.<br><br>A reasonable person can perhaps cope with all this on a normal day - but if you have lost everything you own...you have not eaten..the baby is sick....you have walked (or sometimes dog paddled) and waited days to get to civilization and hours in a line in the heat - it is simply more than you can process at that point.<br><br>The campers we are assisting in are in a National Park. They are being charged fifteen or twenty dollars (depending on which site they selected) a day to camp there. The government is telling the public that all federal resources are being provided to our state - and yet the victims are being charged to camp on federal land.......and we don't understand that.<br><br>We don't understand why the park rangers took a sprinkler away from the kids today. It was a few minutes of fun for the kids and a wee bit of relief from the heat...we dont' understand how that was an enforceable rule today. The explanation? The water is for human consumption - not for recreation.<br><br>We understand that is the rule in NORMAL times but - why oh why - can't the folks in the government just get the finger out of the dike and allow common sense to prevail.<br><br>Some refugees (I am told) (it happened before I arrived at camp to sort things out) ...anyway....they ran out of money and were told to pay or leave by the ranger. A federal employee. They were safe and well fed while they were here - but we feel as helpless as y'all feel when these types of idiotic bureaucratic situations arise. And they do - all day long. <br><br>It would seem after all the hurricanes last year in Fla.......the FEMA teams would have figured out how to mobilize a bit faster....the politicians could do more than photo ops........We sort of wonder if they spent even one hour in the Super Dome ...if that wouldn't have just been enough get them moving to help us a bit faster. I am reasonably sure 100 people would have been happy to exit in order to give them seat. <br><br>And so - it goes. <br><br>Amid the frustration the other news you have not heard are the scenes that don't warrant the media spotlight. Like the woman I met tonight that came home in a towel tonight (I verified the story with her daughter).....she took the clothes off her back to give them to newly arriving refugees from New Orleans.<br><br>Or the bone weary nurse I saw at Wendy's tonight .....propped up against the wall waiting for a salad. Soooo tired.....and she ended up leaving without it.....cuz more people were arriving at our hospital from New Orleans.....it is not unlike of the all nighter scenes from the M.A.S.H television show. But this nonstop support is real. <br><br>One of "my" families left our camp today. Before leaving I watched them.....divide up the few belongings they had - giving them to the remaining refugees. It was difficult to watch.<br><br>These people simply could not tolerate the heat and bugs...and decided to head north in hopes along the way - someone will take them in. I think you will when they get there.<br><br>Leaving the grocery store a few minutes before midnight tonight - we ran into other relief workers - all of us ramping up for tomorrow. Like us they are untrained and unprepared. Just trying whatever they can think of to help.<br><br>It was a good meeting. None of us planned it...but it helped. We found ourselves sharing tips for dealing with the emotional duress of the new arrivals who are about to go thru the roller coaster of churn now that survival is assured. We were all surprised as we stood there- that we all cried a bit - none of us had let ourselves do that up to that point. <br><br>There we were - strangers and yet not at all strangers. Black and white.....and not one ounce of a color barrier. We exchanged phone numbers.....tips for where to get medicine - who still had baby formula and diapers.....how to by pass the idiotic rules.....and we a pledge to share any excess between our shelters.<br><br>And so it goes. <br><br>Pounds of frustration.<br>Tons of hope. <br><br>We know you want to help. <br><br>We (the shelters) can buy food...,if they have the resources to do so. All of the stores are open and stocked. We can buy batteries and flashlights and such (but don't worry - if you sent them down here - they will be used before spending money) - the truckloads of stuff will all be used.<br><br>However the priorities of the day are shifting depending on the transient nature of the population. One day you have lots of children to entertain....then some leave and the new arrivals are mostly elderly with a different sent of needs. <br><br>As I indicated in my last email - I caution you to donate your money wisely. Many groups are here. Many of the lesser known groups are not getting mentioned but they too are invaluable. LIke the Diabetes association who has actually been driving insulin to the shelters (again not waiting for the paper shuffle to end.....)<br><br>There have been folks in the area getting the word out they have medicine for Aids patients. <br>Lots of agencies. If you already have a church or favorite charity...chances are good they are (or will soon) send help our way. It isn't splashy - but it is effective.<br><br>In closing - since such a situation could occur in your area too (natural disasters are everywhere).....I suggest you get an emergency bag in order including copies of all of your medicines, insurances, identification cards and copies of your very favorite photos. <br><br>One thing I hear over and over again is the regrets of not having saved family photos.<br><br>Sorry if this is too long. But it helped me wind down to have chat with the outside world tonight.<br><br>Thanks for thinking of us......and loving us with such compassion. I truly wish we NEVER have to return the favor.<br><br>Message was edited by: susanblue<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Joanne98 (1000+ posts) <br>Fri Sep-02-05 09:57 PM<br>Response to Original message<br><br>47. Here's mine. "Investors bet on Katrina's winners and losers". FLUOR<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4589832">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4589832</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>Well we just heard about Halliburton but as you see Fluor is back...<br><br>Investors have been piling into the engineering and construction stocks, banking on the fact they should be big winners in the reconstruction. Fluor Corp. jumped $3.34 yesterday to close at $61.91, on the New York Stock Exchange, bringing its advance since last Friday to $4.22 a share. Baton Rouge, La. based Shaw Group Inc. which said it has been in contact with the U.S. Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) and other governmental agencies to assist in the recovery efforts, closed at $21.10, having gained $4.91 over the last three sessions.<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20050901/RWINNERS01/TPBusiness/MoneyMarkets">www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20050901/RWINNERS01/TPBusiness/MoneyMarkets</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>WINNERS?<br><br>Engineering and construction: Fluor Corp., Shaw Group and Jacobs Engineering<br><br>Energy: Imperial Oil, Sunoco and Valero Energy<br><br>Lumber producers: Weyerhauser and Louisiana-Pacific<br><br>Possible winners: Livestock producers, Smithfield Foods, Archer Daniels Midland and Bunge<br><br>LOSERS: The good people of New Orleans.<br>Bush Family Values.. LIE, STEAL AND MURDER!<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Usrename (351 posts) <br>Fri Sep-02-05 10:05 PM<br>Response to Original message<br><br>48. Here's mine, "Mayor blasts failure to patch levee breeches"<br><br>According to the mayor, Black Hawk helicopters were scheduled to pick up and drop massive 3,000-pound sandbags in the 17th Street Canal breach, but were diverted on rescue missions.<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.cnn.com/2005/WEATHER/08/31/katrina.levees">www.cnn.com/2005/WEATHER/08/31/katrina.levees</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>Usrename (351 posts) <br>Fri Sep-02-05 10:36 PM<br>Response to Original message<br><br>53. FEMA tells rescuers - Buy your own gas!!<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4565417">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4565417</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>FEMA called in a company that owns and operates a fleet of air boats, to aide with the search and recovery of citizens trying to survive the disaster and who are still in their homes, etc. A friend of mine (from Arkansas) is one of the owner/operators of an air boat in that fleet. He responded to FEMA's request and went down to assist, all at his own expense. When there,<br>he reported to a FEMA manager or supervisor who told him, and I quote: "We need your assistance and can use your help every day, there's a lot of folks who have not been found. But, you will have to pay for your own gasoline for your air boat."<br><br>The cost of gasoline for that air boat, for each day, amounts to approximately $550.00 per day, minimum. With the current gasoline crisis, it could cost considerably more, up to $600 - $700 per day.<br><br>This young man volunteered his time AND his boat to help - and was then told by FEMA that he would have to pay, additionally, out of his own pocket, all of the costs for his gasoline - to find the people who were in flooded homes across the entire flooded area in the City of New Orleans, where FEMA is assigned.<br><br>This young man doesn't have the money to donate his costs for gasoline for FEMA's project, so, guess where he is right now: yup, on the way back to Arkansas.<br><br>Has FEMA bungled this operation? Yes-sir-ee.<br><br>Can FEMA locate gasoline and have it trucked in, for these purposes? Yes-sir-ee.<br><br>The consequences for this short-sighted "decision" by a FEMA supervisor? More people dying, due to a major delay in locating them and rescuing them.<br><br>When will this "decision" be reviewed and questioned? Not till after many more victims have died<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>newswolf56 (801 posts) <br>Fri Sep-02-05 11:23 PM<br>Response to Original message<br><br>61. The evidence for LIHOP becomes conclusive when it is examined...<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>from the perspective of class-struggle. What occurred in New Orleans -- what is occurring there now -- is methodically deliberate genocide-by-neglect: the extermination of the poor, and the extermination of one of the South's few Democratic Party strongholds as well.<br><br>To understand the present-day implications of class-struggle, you have to know something of the history of capitalism. The Russian Revolution of 1917 terrified capitalism into assuming a humanitarian guise; the New Deal in the United States and the welfare states of Europe were among the results. Meanwhile, even given the tyrannies of Stalinism, capitalism's terror of socialism remained overwhelming: the mere notion of workers demanding economic democracy was infinitely disturbing to the oligarchy; the possibility the formidable Red Army and the peerless Soviet intelligence apparatus might actually enforce that demand evoked bottomless horror in boardrooms around the world. But then the Soviet Union collapsed; the fear-factor that had restrained the oligarchy was lifted, and the capitalists were suddenly again free to run amok at their Tyrannosauric worst -- exactly as they had done before 1917. In Europe and elsewhere, this unleashed an ongoing campaign of relentless attacks on the welfare state. In America, the target was the New Deal, and the attack culminated in the presidency of George Bush -- a man carefully groomed by the global oligarchy to restore capitalism to all of its innate savagery -- maximum profits, maximum concentration of wealth and maximum oppression of all of us who have to work for a living. The one great and potentially liberating irony in all this is that by its savagery, the oligarchy has re-animated its one true enemy: Marx and Marxism is suddenly again not only as relevant as it was in 1917, but -- with the addition of American principles of constitutional governance -- it is now more relevant than ever. <br><br>Applying the objective analysis that becomes possible when we recognize the historical reality of class- struggle, we see clearly how everything Bush does serves the oligarchy's purpose. This is true in the Middle East (the imposition of theocracy in Iraq, and the reliable suppression of the people thereby); it is true in the U.S. (outsourcing, downsizing, reduction of wages, looting of pensions, destruction of the social safety net - - all this viciously worsened by skyrocketing prices); and it was never more vividly true than in New Orleans (slashing funds for levee improvement and disaster relief; withholding aid until the aftermath of Katrina inflicted a maximum death toll; blaming the victims for their own plight; denouncing the survival-struggles of the victims as "looting"; using "looting and unrest" as an excuse to further withhold aid; and thereby maliciously raising the death toll even higher). Viewed in this context, the atrocities committed in New Orleans are merely a logical expression of the class war Bush is waging against all of us -- a class war that in New Orleans has been raised to the next deadly level -- as if to numb us in preparation for much worse to come. <br><br>Why New Orleans? Demographics explain succinctly: the city is 67 percent black; it voted 77 percent for Kerry/Edwards and is one of the few Democratic strongholds in the entire South; 27 percent of its residents are officially impoverished -- making it one of the largest concentrations of urban poverty in the U.S. By the tactic of genocide-by-neglect, not only did Bush serve the Rove/Norquist/Republican purpose of destroying a Democratic stronghold (thereby altering forever the politics of the nation by guaranteeing Louisiana will become a wholly Republican, wholly Christofascist state). Bush also served the oligarchic purpose of ending poverty by death: remember that every dead Social Security recipient, every dead welfare recipient, every dead disabled person is a bonus for the oligarchy -- that much less money for social services, that much more money available for the concentration of wealth.<br><br>And then of course there is the object lesson the horror of New Orleans provides. All but the most dim- witted recognize that in Katrina and its aftermath we are seeing the true future of America. People dying in the streets while the powers that be manipulate relief efforts for maximum propaganda impact -- disaster as a Rove/Norquist/Goebbels photo-op. America of the New World Order: a tiny, arrogant and obscenely comfortable oligarchy ruling over the rest of us -- all of us increasingly desperate, increasingly frightened, increasingly oppressed, all of us kept in line by hard-eyed men riding armored cars and brandishing automatic rifles.<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Eloriel (1000+ posts) <br>Fri Sep-02-05 11:40 PM<br>Response to Original message<br><br>65. Another thread -- pretty startling, too<br><br>Must Read - A "floatilla of aid" TURNED BACK from New Orleans...Explain!<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4588797">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4588797</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br>Link: <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.thedeadpelican.com/lawyer.htm">www.thedeadpelican.com/lawyer.htm</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>LAWYER: WILDLIFE AND FISHERIES DID NOTHING WHILE PEOPLE SUFFERED <br><br>My name is Jason Robideaux, I am an attorney from Lafayette Louisiana and have dealt with all of the various law enforcement agencies in Louisiana during the past 18 years. Although I have had a positive relationship with law enforcement personnel throughout the State for many years, I regretfully have a story to share that will shake your head in disbelief about the La. Dept. of Wildlife and Fisheries. <br><br>A group of approximately 1,000 citizens pulling 500 boats left the Acadiana Mall in Lafayette this morning (Weds.) and headed to New Orleans with a police escort from the Jefferson Parish Sheriff's Department. The "flotillia" of trucks pulling boats stretched over five miles. This citizen rescue group was organized by La. State Senator, Gautreaux from Vermilion Parish. The group was comprised of experienced boaters, licensed fishermen and hunters, people who have spent their entire adult life and teenage years on the waterways of Louisiana. <br><br>The State Police waved the flotillia of trucks/boats through the barricades in LaPlace and we sped into New Orleans via I-10 until past the airport and near the Clearview exit. At that time we were stopped by agents of the La. Dept. of Wildlife & Fisheries. A young DWF agent strolled through the boats and told approximately half of the citizens that their boats were "too large" because the water had "dropped during the night" and that they should turn around and go home. <br><br>We were pulling a large (24ft) shallow draft aluminum boat that can safely carry 12 passengers and had ramp access which would allow the elderly and infirm to have easier access to the boat. We politely informed the DWF agent that the local and national media had consistently reported that the water level had "risen" during the night which contradicted his statement to us that the water "was dropping" and no boat over 16ft. in length would be allowed to participate in rescue operations. <br><br>We then specifically asked the DWF agent that we (and other citizens in the flotillia) be allowed to go to the hospitals and help evacuate the sick and the doctors and nurses stranded there. We offered to bring these people back to Lafayette, in our own vehicles, in order to ensure that they received proper and prompt medical care. <br><br>The DWF agent did not want to hear this and ordered us home. We complied with the DWF agent's orders, turned around and headed back to Lafayette along with half of the flotillia. However, two of my friends were pulling my other boat, a smaller 15ft alumaweld with a 25 hp. The DWF agents let them through to proceed to the rescue operation launch site. <br><br>My two friends were allowed to drive to the launch site where the La. Dept. of Wildlife and Fisheries were launching their rescue operations (via boat). They reported to me that there were over 200 DWF agents just standing around and doing nothing. My friends were kept there for approximately 3 hours. During that time they observed a large number of DWF agents doing nothing. After three hours had passed they were told that they were not needed and should go home. They complied with the DWF's orders and turned around and went home to Lafayette. <br><br>Watching CNN tonight, there was a telephone interview with a Nurse trapped in Charity Hospital in New Orleans. She said that there were over 1,000 people trapped inside of the hospital and that the doctors and nurses had zero medical supplies, no diesel to run the generators and that only three people had been rescued from the hospital since the Hurricane hit! <br><br>I can't come up with one logical reason why the DWF sent this large group of 500 boats/1000 men home when we surely could have rescued most, if not all, of the people trapped in Charity Hospital. Further, we had the means to immediately transport these people to hospitals in Southwest Louisiana. <br><br>On Tuesday afternoon, August 30, Jefferson Parish Sheriff Harry Lee asked for all citizens with boats to come to the aid of Jefferson Parish. A short time later Dwight Landreneau, the head of the La. Depart. of Wildlife and Fisheries, got on television and remarked that his agency had things under control and citizen help was not needed. Apparently, Sheriff Lee did not agree with that assessment and had one of his deputies provide the Lafayette flotillia with an escort into Jefferson Parish. <br><br>Sheriff Lee and Senator Gautreaux - 1000 of Louisiana's citizens responded to your pleas for help. We were prevented from helping by Dwight Landreneau's agency, the Department of Wildlife and Fisheries. When I learned that Charity Hospital has not been evacuated and that no one has been there to attempt a rescue, I became angry. <br><br>The "turf-marking" by some minor state agency should never take priority over the lives of citizens! <br><br>Signed, <br><br>Bewildered and Frustrated, <br><br>Jason Robideaux <br><br>Attorney At Law <br><br>1005 Lafayette Street <br><br>Lafayette, La. 70501 <br><br>(337) 291-9444 office <br><br>Additional info:<br>BLACKWATER coming to NOLA to provide "security services"<br><br>xray s (1000+ posts) <br>Fri Sep-02-05 04:55 AM<br>Original message<br><br>BLACKWATER coming to NOLA to provide "security services"<br><br><br>Bush looted and castrated FEMA in order to "privatize" relief.<br><br>There hasn't been any reaction from the Feds over this disaster because they have to wait for the private contractors to get their shit together (and Cheney gets the fat ass contracts in line and approved by the US House of Whores)<br><br>Well...here comes BLACKWATER!!! Just in time for "shoot to kill"<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/9/1/222637/6400">www.dailykos.com/story/2005/9/1/222637/6400</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE<br><br>September 01, 2005<br><br>BLACKWATER JOINS HURRICANE KATRINA RELIEF EFFORT!<br><br>This morning (September 1, 2005), Blackwater USA joined the ongoing relief effort in the Gulf Region devastated by Hurricane Katrina by dispatching a SA-330J Puma helicopter to help assist in evacuating citizens from flooded areas.<br><br>Chairman and Chief Executive Officer Erik Prince stated, "At this time, all Americans should band together and assist our countrymen who have been struck by this natural disaster."<br><br>The following services are available:<br><br># Airlift Services<br><br># Security Services<br><br># Humanitarian Support Services<br><br># Logistics and Transportation Services<br><br>Anyone having a security or evacuation request may call<br>(252) 435-2052/2488. All requests shall be prioritized and acted upon as quickly as possible.<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>beetbox<br>73. Calculated Criminal Negligence-PNAC & Climate Apocalypse-Read This<br><br><br>Essentially, the hypothesis goes something like this: some years back the US calculated that global climate meltdown was an inevitability and therefore needed to produce a plan that would enable US capitalism to come out the ‘other side’ on top in what the PNAC describes as a position of ‘full spectrum dominance’ of this post-apocalyptic world. Of course, the PNAC omits any reference to this climate apocalypse but much of what it does posit fits such a future world, a world moreover, that may well be a lot closer than anyone previously imagined.<br><br>Moreover, the federal government’s ‘benign neglect’ of the disaster that has struck New Orleans would seem to fit the hypothesis, in fact, it’s almost a ‘dry run’ for what now seems to be a foretaste of what we can expect to be a ‘normal’ event in the future.<br><br>They calculated that a considerable percentage of the world’s population would perish (mostly of course in the poor countries, but then, since when have they been bothered about the poor of the planet) including even a sizeable chunk of its own population but that its technological and military advantage would enable it to secure its economic position in this post-apocalyptic world.<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10078.htm">www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10078.htm</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>Eloriel (1000+ posts) <br>Sat Sep-03-05 02:12 AM<br>Response to Original message<br><br>75. More -- and a favor to ask<br><br><br>First, the favor. I would appreciate it if a couple of you would save this to your harddisk and just hang onto it. Thanks.<br><br>Fox Reports: NG not allowing people to leave Convention Center<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4594621">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4594621</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>Geraldo and Shepard smith revolted on live tv. The NG has locked people inside the convention center and are not allowing them to cross into neighboring Gretna. Geraldo broke into tears and told Hannity to knock his spin off that people are dying and it is worse than "Willowbrook". (the mental hospital of death in Staten Island that he exposed back in the '80 that made his career)<br><br>Additional:<br>BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) <br>Sat Sep-03-05 01:26 AM<br>Response to Original message<br><br>6. makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up..<br><br><br>Soldier confirms Chile Stadium killings<br>Tuesday, 27 June, 2000, 08:53 GMT 09:53 UK<br>A former army officer in Chile has said numerous executions took place in Santiago's national stadium in the aftermath of the 1973 military coup.<br><br>Former non-commissioned officer Roberto Saldias said on national television that he saw prisoners taken off for execution at the stadium when he was on guard duty.<br><br>They took the law in their own hands," he said, adding he was prepared to provide the names of the executioners.<br><br>According to an official report, more than 3,000 people were killed under General Pinochet's regime and more than 1,000 are still unaccounted for.<br><snip><br>more...<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/807599.stm">news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/807599.stm</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>CNN BREAKING: concerns of rioting breaking out at convention center<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4592955&mesg_id=4592955">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4592955&mesg_id=4592955</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>cnn live...barbara starr reporting...situation is deteriorating...night begining to fall..area not secure...<br><br>national guard commander insisting for troops to keep their weapons down...apparently troo<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Raw: July 2005 article reveals New Orleans told poor: 'You're on your own'<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4594761">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4594761</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br>Link: <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://rawstory.com/news/2005/July_2005_article_reveals_Red_Cross_told_poor_Youre_on_your_o_0902.html">rawstory.com/news/2005/July_2005_article_reveals_Red_Cross_told_poor_Youre_on_your_o_0902.html</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>A July 24, 2005 article in the New Orleans Times Picayune (not available online) reveals just how unprepared officials were for a hurricane, especially as it affected the city's poor, RAW STORY has learned. The first sentence alone reveals how little support the city expected to have for the poor in the event of a disaster, saying, "City, state and federal emergency officials are preparing to give the poorest of New Orleans' poor a historically blunt message: In the event of a major hurricane, you're on your own."<br><br>The article was first discovered in a detailed piece by the Philadelphia Daily News' Will Bunch.<br><br>The local Red Cross executive director was quoted as saying, "You're responsible for your safety, and you should be responsible for the person next to you. If you have some room to get that person out of town, the Red Cross will have a space for that person outside the area. We can help you. But we don't have the transportation."<br><br>In scripted appearances being recorded now, officials such as Mayor Ray Nagin, local Red Cross Executive Director Kay Wilkins and City Council President Oliver Thomas drive home the word that the city does not have the resources to move out of harm's way an estimated 134,000 people without transportation...<br><br>According to story this was put on DVD's and was to be distributed to pastors and community leaders before hurricane season in September - whoops.<br><br>Additional:<br>cal04 (1000+ posts) <br>Sat Sep-03-05 01:49 AM<br>Response to Original message<br><br>6. John McQuaid was on this morning saying he wrote articles about this<br><br><br>and no one listened<br><br><br>Take a look back at the coverage of the threat of flooding to New Orleans by the city's major paper, The Times-Picayune: A five-part series, published in June 2002, clearly set out the likelihood that New Orleans would ultimately be flooded by even a relatively mild hurricane once levees were breached. The series made the case for significant expenditures and a shift in policies affecting development and the environment. Given the past days' television coverage with extensive aerial footage of the flooded communities along the Gulf Coast, the warnings now seem particularly acute.<br><br>The Times-Picayune series by John McQuaid and Mark Schleifstein detailed how building patterns, the levee system and development generally left the area ever more vulnerable to disaster. (The series spelled out the mechanics of that disaster with an eerie prescience.)<br>As the two reporters wrote:<br><br>Today, billions of dollars worth of levees, sea walls, pumping systems and satellite hurricane tracking provide a comforting safety margin that has saved thousands of lives. But modern technology and engineering mask an alarming fact: In the generations since those storms... south Louisiana has been growing more vulnerable to hurricanes, not less.And astonishingly, they documented how the efforts to protect the area from floods sharply increased the risks. Sinking land and chronic coastal erosion — in part the unintended byproducts of flood-protection efforts — have opened dangerous new avenues for even relatively weak hurricanes and tropical storms to assault areas well inland.<br><br>Here's another excerpt on an aspect of the disaster that, unfortunately, we may be reading more about in the coming months: In Jefferson Parish, most of the buildings and other property owned by the government are not currently insured at all. The parish could not find an insurance company to cover more than a third of the value of the $300 million worth of property, and the cost of doing that was a budget-busting $6 million in a total budget of $318.5 million...<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4827395">www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4827395</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>On Malloy now: Red Cross was ORDERED to stay out of the area<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4598488">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4598488</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>for all the ones who were upset at not seeing their presence.<br><br>Additional:<br>spuddonna (963 posts) <br>Sat Sep-03-05 03:58 AM<br>Response to Original message<br><br>6. Yeah, I was going to say... as per last night, some weird stuff...<br><br><br>going on...<br><br>At 1:30 am last night/this early morning, someone posted here that CNN was reporting people being told they could not leave NO... They were turned back into the city...<br><br>People today have posted that they were turned away by someone. Now the local police/sheriffs are saying "No, I didn't turn them away", but mayor's are saying FEMA is 'creating obstacles'...<br><br>I saw a reporter on yesterday on WWL that had 'snuck' past the NG: He was told 'no reporters can enter', and added 'we uh, got around that'...went on with his report.<br><br>There's some strange crap going on...<br><br>ClayZ (1000+ posts) <br>Sat Sep-03-05 04:04 AM<br>Response to Original message<br><br>14. UNREAL<br><br><br>http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050901/phth002a.html?.v=3<br><br><br><br>The American Red Cross, Salvation Army and other charitable organizations that typically are the first to respond to disaster sites with food and water have been kept out of the city.<br><br><br>“Access to New Orleans is controlled by the National Guard and local authorities,” said Gregg Tubbs, a spokesman for the American Red Cross. “The Red Cross can’t get in there. We can’t enter New Orleans against their orders.”<br><br>By LARRY WHEELER, Gannett News Service<br><br>Beam Me Up (1000+ posts) <br>Sat Sep-03-05 04:09 AM<br>Response to Original message<br><br>17. http:/ /www.redcross.org/faq/ 0,1096,0_682_4524,00. html#4524<br><br><br>Red Cross<br><br>* Acess to New Orleans is controlled by the National Guard and local authorities and while we are in constant contact with them, we simply cannot enter New Orleans against their orders.<br><br>* The state Homeland Security Department had requested--and continues to request--that the American Red Cross not come back into New Orleans following the hurricane. Our presence would keep people from evacuating and encourage others to come into the city.<br><br>Not_Giving_Up (1000+ posts) <br>Sat Sep-03-05 04:15 AM<br>Response to Original message<br><br>21. Holy shit...straight from the FAQs on the Red Cross website<br><br><br># Acess to New Orleans is controlled by the National Guard and local authorities and while we are in constant contact with them, we simply cannot enter New Orleans against their orders.<br><br># The state Homeland Security Department had requested--and continues to request--that the American Red Cross not come back into New Orleans following the hurricane. Our presence would keep people from evacuating and encourage others to come into the city.<br><br># The Red Cross has been meeting the needs of thousands of New Orleans residents in some 90 shelters throughout the state of Louisiana and elsewhere since before landfall. All told, the Red Cross is today operating 149 shelters for almost 93,000 residents.<br><br># The Red Cross shares the nation’s anguish over the worsening situation inside the city. We will continue to work under the direction of the military, state and local authorities and to focus all our efforts on our lifesaving mission of feeding and sheltering.<br><br># The Red Cross does not conduct search and rescue operations. We are an organization of civilian volunteers and cannot get relief aid into any location until the local authorities say it is safe and provide us with security and access.<br><br># The original plan was to evacuate all the residents of New Orleans to safe places outside the city. With the hurricane bearing down, the city government decided to open a shelter of last resort in the Superdome downtown. We applaud this decision and believe it saved a significant number of lives.<br><br># As the remaining people are evacuated from New Orleans, the most appropriate role for the Red Cross is to provide a safe place for people to stay and to see that their emergency needs are met. We are fully staffed and equipped to handle these individuals once they are evacuated.<br><br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <p></p><i></i>
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WTF? the DHS is not letting the Red Cross into New Orleans?<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4596753&mesg_id=4596753">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4596753&mesg_id=4596753</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br>Link: <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.redcross.org/faq/0,1096,0_682_4524,00.html">www.redcross.org/faq/0,1096,0_682_4524,00.html</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>How fucked up is this?<br><br>Hurricane Katrina: Why is the Red Cross not in New Orleans?<br><br>* Acess to New Orleans is controlled by the National Guard and local authorities and while we are in constant contact with them, we simply cannot enter New Orleans against their orders.<br><br>* The state Homeland Security Department had requested--and continues to request--that the American Red Cross not come back into New Orleans following the hurricane. Our presence would keep people from evacuating and encourage others to come into the city.<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br><br>What is going on at the collieseum? Why are they not letting anyone out?<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4595061">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4595061</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>This makes no sense, or what it says concerns me conside<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Murder and mayhem in New Orleans' miserable shelter<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1748640">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1748640</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br>Link: <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N02134169.htm">www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N02134169.htm</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>Murder and mayhem in New Orleans' miserable shelter<br><br>NEW ORLEANS, Sept 2 (Reuters) - With the rotors of President George W. Bush's helicopter sounding overhead, New Orleans' poor and downtrodden recounted tales of murder, rape, death threats and near starvation since Hurricane Katrina wrecked this city.<br><br>Ending days of abandonment since the hurricane struck on Monday, the U.S. National Guard handed out military rations and a bottle of water to thousands of evacuees -- the first proper meal most had eaten in days.<br><br>...<br><br>He then offered to show reporters the dead bodies of a man in a wheelchair, a young man who he said he dragged inside just hours earlier, and the limp forms of two infants, one just four months old, the other six months old.<br><br>...<br><br>A National Guardsman refused entry.<br><br>"It doesn't need to be seen, it's a make-shift morgue in there," he told a Reuters photographer. "We're not letting anyone in there anymore. If you want to take pictures of dead bodies, go to Iraq."<br><br>Additional:<br>sabra (1000+ posts) <br>Sat Sep-03-05 03:49 AM<br>Response to Original message<br><br>3. Other survivors recounted horrific cases of sexual assault and murder<br><br><br><br><br>Sitting with her daughter and other relatives, Trolkyn Joseph, 37, said men had wandered the cavernous convention center in recent nights raping and murdering children.<br><br>She said she found a dead 14-year old girl at 5 a.m. on Friday morning, four hours after the young girl went missing from her parents inside the convention center.<br><br>"She was raped for four hours until she was dead," Joseph said through tears. "Another child, a seven-year old boy was found raped and murdered in the kitchen freezer last night."<br><br>Several others interviewed by Reuters told similar stories of the abuse and murder of children, but they could not be independently verified.<br><br>Many complained bitterly about why they received so little for so many days, and they had harsh words for Bush.<br><br>NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) <br>Sat Sep-03-05 01:23 PM<br>Response to Reply #37<br><br>38. looks like you could use my Rule of Thumb...<br><br><br>Rule of thumb.<br><br>Answer me this: how is it that everyone knew that a horde of survivors were attacking the children's hospital -- when no such thing had happened?<br><br>Or how about that phoney story about refugees laying waste to Baton Rouge? Remember that one?<br><br>Or how about this LA Times report about the Convention Center "anarchy" -- quite a difference, hmmm? ( <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-troops3sep03,1,3550798.story?coll=la-headlines-nation">www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-troops3sep03,1,3550798.story?coll=la-headlines-nation</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> )<br><br>The point isn't that no crimes or fights have occured -- it would be extremely strange if there had been none. The point is that insane slander ought to be recognized for what it is.<br><br>NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) <br>Sat Sep-03-05 01:07 PM<br>Original message<br><br>Met by Despair, Not Violence<br><br>As they begin to patrol the chaotic city, troops are surprised by what they don't find.<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-troops3sep03,1,3550798.story?coll=la-headlines-nation">www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-troops3sep03,1,3550798.story?coll=la-headlines-nation</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>The truck lurched through the streets, past buildings burning unabated and MPs in gun turrets. When they stopped to gear up for their arrival at the New Orleans Convention Center, where more than 15,000 people had been living in squalor since Katrina, these words echoed — for the first time, one would imagine — through the intersection of Poydras Avenue and Carondelet Street: "Lock and load!"<br><br>"Sixteen in the clip!" one Guardsman shouted, a common refrain used to indicate that rifles are fully loaded.<br><br>But when they arrived, they did not find marauding mobs. They did not come under fire. They found people who had lost everything in the storm and, since then, their dignity.<br><br>IndyOp (1000+ posts) <br>Sat Sep-03-05 01:46 PM<br>Response to Original message<br><br>5. FEMA = LIARS<br><br><br>FEMA LIE: Lawlessness is so bad Red Cross won't come in.<br><br>TRUTH: Red Cross says that Homeland Security (FEMA) won't let us in because people would be attracted to our food/water and would not leave NOLA.<br><br>FEMA LIE: “Every disaster that I have ever been apart of the people are at their wits end, but they band together and help each other out, it is not happening in New Orleans right now.”<br><br>TRUTH: Heroes are being born on the ground in NOLA -<br><br>Early in the day, we witnessed a black man in a boat with no motor paddling with a piece of lumber. He rescued people in the boat and paddled them to safety (a mile and a half)...<br><br>...in a really rough neighborhood and we came across five seemingly unsavory characters. One had scars from what seemed to be gunshot wounds.... These guys stayed outside in the center all day, getting everyone out of the rec center onto boats... These five guys were on the last boat out of the neighborhood at sundown. They were incredibly grateful, mentioned numerous times 'God is going to bless y'all for this'.<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4598643&mesg_id=4598643">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4598643&mesg_id=4598643</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>elaineb (72 posts) <br>Sat Sep-03-05 04:20 PM<br>Response to Original message<br><br>14. Anyone watching the filmed reports shouldn't be surprised by this<br><br><br>But when they arrived, they did not find marauding mobs. They did not come under fire. They found people who had lost everything in the storm and, since then, their dignity.<br><br>I understand the article is trying to be sympathetic to the incredibly strong survivors criminally neglected by our government, but they absolutely have NOT lost their dignity. In fact, the one thing that amazes me after seeing the footage of the people forced to wait at the Superdome and Convention Center and on I-10, waiting for non-existent help to arrive, is their overall demeanor. Maybe I shouldn't be admiring their amazing ability to remain calmly waiting, because maybe rioting is the only thing that's going to force some action, but nevertheless, their dignity is the one thing they haven't lost in this horrible catastrophe. God bless each and every one of them. The looters are a miniscule part of the population that the MSM has given WAY to much attention to. These extraordinary people are the true soul of New Orleans and of our country.<br><br>jurassicpork (435 posts) <br>Sat Sep-03-05 05:45 PM<br>Response to Reply #21<br><br>23. It's pretty tough to run off with a TV set<br><br><br>Edited on Sat Sep-03-05 05:47 PM by jurassicpork<br><br>if you're in over your head. The so-called looters whom the Governor has been actually calling names and with whom George seems the most concerned, are stealing necessities like toothpast and soap and deodorant, which is understandable, really, considering that they'd just lost everything they'd worked their whole lives to earn.<br><br>Has it ever struck anyone that, instead of actually cutting his vacation short by two days, George II has actually extended it? I mean, what has he done, lately? He stopped off in San Diego after leaving Crawford but before going to NO, he attended a fireworks display last night and he's been chatting with Diane Sawyer and joking about fixing up Trent Lott's house of "rubbles."<br><br>Oh, yes, and the photo ops, those sweet, sweeeeeeet photo ops.<br><br>JP<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://http://jurassicpork.blogspot.com">http://jurassicpork.blogspot.com</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>stickdog (1000+ posts) <br>Sun Sep-04-05 03:37 AM<br>Response to Reply #20<br><br>34. You are living in a RACIST, CLASSIST fantasyland where<br><br><br>every unconfirmed rumor the MSM reports has to be true. Sure some people were fighting with people for the means to stay alive. But in general, crowds remain very orderly in such emergency situations because they DON'T want the authorities to have any excuses to help them last when such a delay might mean the difference between life and death.<br><br>But I suppose you also believe that WMDs MUST be in Iraq because so many Hussein survivors reported they were there. Right?<br><br>NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) <br>Sat Sep-03-05 06:50 PM<br>Response to Original message<br><br>25. helicopter fired upon? just another thing the "savages" DIDN'T do!<br><br><br>Funny -- no pilot reported any such thing to the FAA:<br><br>Laura Brown, a Federal Aviation Administration spokeswoman in Washington, said she had no such<br><br>report.<br><br>"We're controlling every single aircraft in that airspace and none of them reported being fired on," she said, adding that the FAA was in contact with the military as well as civilian aircraft.<br><br><br><br>http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=1087205<br><br>How come so many of these "news" stories turn out to be random people talking shit?<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Daley 'shocked' at federal snub of offers to help<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1748581">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1748581</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br>Link: <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-050902daley,0,6429273.story?coll=chi-news-hed">www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-050902daley,0,6429273.story?coll=chi-news-hed</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>Frustration about the federal response to Hurricane Katrina has reached Chicago City Hall, as Mayor Richard Daley today noted a tepid response by federal officials to the city's offers of disaster aid.The city is willing to send hundreds of personnel, including firefighters and police, and dozens of vehicles to assist on the storm-battered Gulf Coast, but so far the Federal Emergency Management Agency has requested only a single tank truck, Daley said.<br><br>"I was shocked," he said."We are ready to provide considerably more help than they have requested," the mayor said, barely able to contain his anger during a City Hall news conference. "We are just waiting for the call."<br><br>Even before the storm hit the Gulf Coast on Monday, he said, the city's Office of Emergency Management and Communications had contacted emergency response agencies in Illinois and Washington. In the event of a disaster, the city offered to send 44 Chicago Fire Department rescue and medical personnel and their gear, more than 100 Chicago police officers, 140 Streets and Sanitation, 146 Public Health and 8 Human Services workers, and a fleet of vehicles including 29 trucks, two boats and a mobile clinic.<br><br>GettysbergII (631 posts) <br>Sat Sep-03-05 03:31 AM<br>Response to Reply #5<br><br>7. And even after the GOV of LA official asked for help BEFORE the storm<br><br>http://gov.louisiana.gov/Disaster%20Relief%20Request.pdf<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Daley 'shocked' at federal snub of offers to help<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-050902daley,0,6429273.story?coll=chi-news-hed">www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-050902daley,0,6429273.story?coll=chi-news-hed</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>Daley 'shocked' at federal snub<br> <br>of offers to help<br><br>Tribune staff reports<br>Published September 2, 2005, 10:24 PM CDT<br><br>Frustration about the federal response to Hurricane Katrina has reached<br><br>Chicago City Hall, as Mayor Richard Daley today noted a tepid response by federal officials to the city's offers of disaster aid.<br><br>The city is willing to send hundreds of personnel, including firefighters and police, and dozens of vehicles to assist on the storm-battered Gulf Coast, but so far the Federal Emergency Management Agency has requested only a single tank truck, Daley said.<br><br>"I was shocked," he said.<br><br>"We are ready to provide considerably more help than they have requested," the mayor said, barely able to contain his anger during a City Hall news conference. "We are just waiting for the call."<br><br>The mayor's remarks came at the announcement of a city-sponsored "Chicago Helps Fund," which will accept donations from citizens for the hurricane relief effort.<br><br>"The people we see suffering on television are our brothers and sisters," Daley said. "It's incumbent on all of us, as American citizens and fellow human beings, to do our part to help them through this terrible tragedy."<br><br>Donations to the Chicago Helps Fund can be made by cash or check at any J.P. Morgan Bank One branch or by sending a check to Chicago Helps, 38891 Eagle Way, Chicago IL 60678-1338. A toll-free telephone number will be announced later for those wishing to donate by credit card.<br><br>Asked if he believes Washington has bungled the job, Daley replied, "I think the president this morning said it publicly—which is smart— they don't think they responded as quickly as possible. ... Now, after that, let's do it. … I don't want to sit here and all of a sudden we are all going to be political—we are going to criticize this one or that. Just get it done."<br><br>Additionally, this weekend, Chicago firefighters will "pass the boot" at major intersections, and donations will be requested during the Chicago Jazz Festival in Grant Park, Daley said.<br><br>Also, the Chicago Football Classic on Saturday will donate a portion of its proceeds to the relief effort. And the Department on Aging is sending a "Meals on Wheels" truck to the Gulf Coast region with food, blankets and other necessities for seniors.<br><br>But the city is prepared to do far more, Daley said.<br><br>Even before the storm hit the Gulf Coast on Monday, he said, the city's Office of Emergency Management and Communications had contacted emergency response agencies in Illinois and Washington.<br><br>In the event of a disaster, the city offered to send 44 Chicago Fire Department rescue and medical personnel and their gear, more than 100 Chicago police officers, 140 Streets and Sanitation, 146 Public Health and 8 Human Services workers, and a fleet of vehicles including 29 trucks, two boats and a mobile clinic.<br><br>"So far FEMA has requested only one piece of equipment {ndash} a tank truck to support the Illinois Emergency Response Team, which is already down there," Daley said. "The tank truck is on its way. We are awaiting further instructions from FEMA."<br><br>Tribune staff reporter Gary Washburn contributed to this story.<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Louisiana sent letter begging Bush for help on 28th<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://gov.louisiana.gov/Disaster%20Relief%20Request.pdf">gov.louisiana.gov/Disaster%20Relief%20Request.pdf</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>FEMA powers per Wikipedia<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FEMA">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FEMA</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>FEMA under the Bush Admin<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2005_09/007023.php">www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2005_09/007023.php</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>HRONOLOGY....Here's a timeline that outlines the fate of both FEMA and flood control projects in New Orleans under the Bush administration. Read it and weep:<br><br>January 2001: Bush appoints Joe Allbaugh, a crony from Texas, as head of FEMA. Allbaugh has no previous<br>experience in disaster management.<br><br>April 2001: Budget Director Mitch Daniels announces the Bush administration's goal of privatizing much of FEMA's work. In May, Allbaugh confirms that FEMA will be downsized: "Many are concerned that federal disaster assistance may have evolved into both an oversized entitlement program...." he said. "Expectations of when the federal government should be involved and the degree of involvement may have ballooned beyond what is an appropriate level."<br><br>2001: FEMA designates a major hurricane hitting New Orleans as one of the three "likeliest, most catastrophic disasters facing this country."<br><br>December 2002: After less than two years at FEMA, Allbaugh announces he is leaving to start up a consulting firm that advises companies seeking to do business in Iraq. He is succeeded by his deputy and former college roommate, Michael Brown, who has no previous experience in disaster management and was fired from his previous job for mismanagement.<br><br>March 2003: FEMA is downgraded from a cabinet level position and folded into the Department of Homeland Security. Its mission is refocused on fighting acts of terrorism.<br><br>2003: Under its new organization chart within DHS, FEMA's preparation and planning functions are reassigned to a new Office of Preparedness and Response. FEMA will henceforth focus only on response and recovery.<br><br>Summer 2004: FEMA denies Louisiana's pre-disaster mitigation funding requests. Says Jefferson Parish flood zone manager Tom Rodrigue: "You would think we would get maximum consideration....This is what the grant program called for. We were more than qualified for it."<br><br>June 2004: The Army Corps of Engineers budget for levee construction in New Orleans is slashed. Jefferson Parish emergency management chiefs Walter Maestri comments: "It appears that the money has been moved in the president's budget to handle homeland security and the war in Iraq, and I suppose that's the price we pay."<br><br>June 2005: Funding for the New Orleans district of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers is cut by a record $71.2 million. One of the hardest-hit areas is the Southeast Louisiana Urban Flood Control Project, which was created after the May 1995 flood to improve drainage in Jefferson, Orleans and St. Tammany parishes.<br><br>August 2005: While New Orleans is undergoing a slow motion catastrophe, Bush mugs for the cameras, cuts a cake for John McCain, plays the guitar for Mark Wills, delivers an address about V-J day, and continues with his vacation. When he finally gets around to acknowledging the scope of the unfolding disaster, he delivers only a photo op on Air Force One and a flat, defensive, laundry list speech in the Rose Garden.<br><br>So: A crony with no relevant experience was installed as head of FEMA. Mitigation budgets for New Orleans were<br>slashed even though it was known to be one of the top three risks in the country. FEMA was deliberately downsized as part of the Bush administration's conservative agenda to reduce the role of government. After DHS was created, FEMA's preparation and planning functions were taken away.<br><br>Actions have consequences. No one could predict that a hurricane the size of Katrina would hit this year, but the slow federal response when it did happen was no accident. It was the result of four years of deliberate Republican policy and budget choices that favor ideology and partisan loyalty at the expense of operational competence. It's the Bush administration in a nutshell.<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>GettysbergII (630 posts) <br>Sat Sep-03-05 05:18 AM<br>Response to Reply #88<br><br>94. Here's the motivating event for why here and now<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/090205_bet_life.shtml">www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/090205_bet_life.shtml</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>What is not being discussed rationally by the mainstream media is Katrina’s impact on energy production. They don’t dare. By my calculations and those of oil energy expert Jan Lundberg, the United States has just lost between 20% and 25% of its energy supply. My projection is that it’s not coming back — at least not most of it.<br><br>As a result of Katrina, Saudi Arabia has finally admitted that it cannot increase production. Many of us knew they’ve been lying for at least two years. The Energy Information Administration has just admitted that global demand has been outstripping supply for several months before Katrina. Nice time to start telling the truth. Nature is finally calling everybody’s bluff. The liars, deniers and mentally ill will be exposed soon enough and they will pay their own price. Daniel Yergin will finally get his comeuppance. FTW’s race is to reach as many people as possible who want to prepare and are willing to prepare for this in local community settings.<br><br>The wheels have been coming off the wagon on the US economy for decades now as the cheap energy available for the last 150 years became more and more expensive. The cancerous growth of the last 25 years has been at the expense of the wellbeing of the vast majority of Americans. Now the world has peaked oil production and Katrina has accelerated the detorioration of our ecomony. The sheep are starting to look up. If the Bush Admin doesn't maintain control of the government, they all know they are facing serious jail time becuase this problem is not going away until we transform both our economic system and our energy sources. However their vision of America is one very similar to that of Saudi Arabia where a repressive priesthood props up the legitimacy of the 'royal' families.<br><br>See the Yurica Report for the details of this transformation in progress from democracy to theocracy<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.yuricareport.com/">www.yuricareport.com/</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>arikara (1000+ posts) <br>Sat Sep-03-05 04:28 AM<br>Response to Original message<br><br>83. Aid offers pour in from around the globe (Bush rejects it)<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1744533">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1744533</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>"I'm not expecting much from foreign nations because we hadn't asked for it. I do expect a lot of sympathy and perhaps some will send cash dollars. But this country's going to rise up and take care of it," Bush told ABC's "Good Morning America<br><br>WASHINGTON - In a dramatic turnabout, the United States is now on the receiving end of help from around the world as some two dozen countries offer post-hurricane assistance.<br><br>snip<br><br>However, in Moscow, a Russian official said the U.S. Federal Emergency Management Agency had rejected a Russian offer to dispatch rescue teams and other aid.<br><br>snip<br><br>Offers have been received from Russia, Japan, Canada, France, Honduras, Germany, Venezuela, Jamaica, Australia, the United Kingdom, the Netherlands, Switzerland, Greece, Hungary, Colombia, the Dominican Republic, El Salvador, Mexico, China, South Korea, Israel, the United Arab Emirates, NATO and the Organization of American States, the spokesman said.<br><br>snip<br><br>Still, Bush told ABC-TV: “I’m not expecting much from foreign nations because we hadn’t asked for it. I do expect a lot of sympathy and perhaps some will send cash dollars. But this country’s going to rise up and take care of it.”<br><br>“You know,” he said, “we would love help, but we’re going to take care of our own business as well, and there’s no doubt in my mind we’ll succeed. And there’s no doubt in my mind, as I sit here talking to you, that New Orleans is going to rise up again as a great city.”<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9161198/">msnbc.msn.com/id/9161198/</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>Additional:<br>iverglas (1000+ posts) <br>Thu Sep-01-05 10:32 PM<br>Response to Reply #11<br><br>82. neither can we Canadians<br><br><br>We're the neighbours, we've got dinner ready for you when your father has a heart attack even though you didn't ask for it. We don't really expect you to stand in the doorway and say "no thank you, we can make our own".<br><br>The Gulf coast doesn't need our dollars, it needs our rescue teams and aircraft and other expertise and logistical assistance.<br><br>I'm tempted to think that the problem is that Bush actually doesn't have a clue ... he's saying "as I sit here talking to you" and talking about New Orleans rising from the floodwaters sometime this century, and we're trying to get him to let us help get to the people still stuck in the floodwaters and bring them food and water and medicine and medical care yesterday.<br><br>hiley (1000+ posts) <br>Thu Sep-01-05 09:37 PM<br>Response to Original message<br><br>29. bush is such a fucking bastard<br><br><br>emailed the wh a few times today here is one...<br><br>Canada has offered help all along through this tragedy from Hurricane Katrina why has Homeland Security and President Bush not taken Canada up on this yet?<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.canada.com/toronto/video/GN050831bourbeau.html">www.canada.com/toronto/video/GN050831bourbeau.html</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>I just don't get it, why is America's poor not important to this Administration.<br>Vacation time more important?<br>Sincere as ever,<br>hiley<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.cnn.com/video/player/player.html?url=/video/us/2005/09/01/lawrence.katrina.new.orleans.cnn">www.cnn.com/video/player/player.html?url=/video/us/2005/09/01/lawrence.katrina.new.orleans.cnn</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://video.msn.com/v/us/v.htm?g=af26924b-f106-47a8-aae3-4e70f5eff2e4&f=copy">video.msn.com/v/us/v.htm?g=af26924b-f106-47a8-aae3-4e70f5eff2e4&f=copy</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br>4:00 p.m.<br>MOSCOW (AP) The U.S. Federal Emergency Management Agency has rejected a Russian offer to send rescue teams and other aid in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, a Russian emergency official said Thursday.<br><br>Russia offered to send two transport planes with rescue teams, helicopters and other equipment to help deal with Katrina's aftermath.<br>snip---<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/08/31/katrina/main807164.shtml">www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/08/31/katrina/main807164.shtml</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>Netherlands offers US help with Katrina floods <br><br>1 September 2005<br><br>AMSTERDAM — The Netherlands has offered the US authorities the services of a dike inspection team to help combat the flooding in New Orleans.<br><br>The team is ready to leave for America if it is required, the Dutch Ministry of Transport and Waterways said on Thursday.<br><br>A quarter of the Netherlands' land area lies below sea level and the country has built up a reputation for water management due to the ongoing battle to keep the water at bay.<br><br>The officials are attached to the Ministry of Waterways and Public Works and have experience in dealing with burst embankments and flooding. Last year the Dutch town of Stein was flooded when a dike along a canal was breached.<br><br>The US response to the offer was not known by Thursday afternoon.<br><br>snip---<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.expatica.com/source/site_article.asp?subchannel_id=1&story_id=23281&name=Netherlands+offers+US+help+with+Katrina+floods">www.expatica.com/source/site_article.asp?subchannel_id=1&story_id=23281&name=Netherlands+offers+US+help+with+Katrina+floods</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>4:00 p.m.<br>MOSCOW (AP) The U.S. Federal Emergency Management Agency has rejected a Russian offer to send rescue teams and other aid in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, a Russian emergency official said Thursday.<br><br>Russia offered to send two transport planes with rescue teams, helicopters and other equipment to help deal with Katrina's aftermath.<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/08/31/katrina/main807164.shtml">www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/08/31/katrina/main807164.shtml</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.wwltv.com/local/northshore/stories/083105cccawwlkatslidell.45b6ae6a.html">www.wwltv.com/local/northshore/stories/083105cccawwlkatslidell.45b6ae6a.html</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://video.msn.com/v/us/v.htm?g=af26924b-f106-47a8-aae3-4e70f5eff2e4&f=copy">video.msn.com/v/us/v.htm?g=af26924b-f106-47a8-aae3-4e70f5eff2e4&f=copy</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>CHIMO (1000+ posts) <br>Thu Sep-01-05 10:49 PM<br>Response to Reply #42<br><br>92. Disaster Assistance Response Team - DART<br><br><br>Disaster Assistance Response Team - DART<br>Providing Humanitarian Relief to Crises Around the Globe<br><br>The Canadian Forces Disaster Assistance Response Team (DART) is a unique organization created to deploy to a crisis situation anywhere in the world - situations ranging from natural disasters to complex humanitarian emergencies.<br><br>The DART, formed in June 1996, gives Canada additional capabilities for speedy response to requests for humanitarian assistance and disaster relief. This military team deploys quickly into a crisis area, bridging the gap until members of the international community arrive to provide long-term help.<br><br>"One of the DART's objectives is to stabilize the primary effects immediately following a natural disaster or emergency and to prevent the onset of secondary effects such as the spreading of diseases," says Lieutenant-Colonel Christian Juneau, current DART Commanding Officer. "Numerous international organizations are committed to providing relief and assistance to people in need. The DART complements rather than competes with these organizations," he adds.<br><br>The DART focuses on fulfilling four critical needs in any emergency situation:<br><br>primary medical care<br><br>production of purified drinking water<br><br>limited specialist engineer capability<br><br>a command and control structure that allows for effective communications between the DART, the host nation, in-theatre international organizations, non-governmental organizations, United Nations aid agencies, and the Department of National Defence<br><br>http://www.forces.gc.ca/site/operations/DART/back_e.asp<br><br>It seems like just the kind of assistance that is, or has been, required.<br><br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>HR_Pufnstuf (565 posts) <br>Sat Sep-03-05 04:34 AM<br>Response to Original message<br><br>85. Louisiana Catastophic Hurricane Planning Workshop 2004 (FEMA Sponsored)<br><br>Edited on Fri Sep-02-05 10:01 PM by HR_Pufnstuf<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.lepa.org/Newsletter/newsletter2.htm">www.lepa.org/Newsletter/newsletter2.htm</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br>(Download "Spring 2005" and Go to Page 3)<br><br>Louisiana Catastophic Hurricane Planning Workshop<br><br>"From July 16-23, 2004, over 300 participants from Federal, State, local, and volunteer agencies participated in the Louisiana Hurricane Planning Workshop at the Louisiana Office of Homeland Security and Emergency Preparedness (LOHSEP) in Baton Rouge. The purpose of the workshop was to develop functional plans for response to and recovery form a catastrophic hurricane striking southeast Louisiana, including the City of New Orleans.<br><br>Driven by a predetermined scenario, entitled Hurricane Pam, the participants developed 15 functional plans over the course of the week; including: pre-landfall activities; unwatering of levee-enclosed areas; hazardous materials; billeting of response personnel; distribution of power, water, and ice; transport from water to shelter; volunteer and donations management; external affairs; access control and re-entry; debris; schools; search and rescue; sheltering; temporary housing; and temporary medical care.<br><br>The scenario involved a slow-moving Category 3 storm making landfall near Grand Isle in the early morning. In the scenario, the storm, sustaining winds of over 120 mph at landfall, spawned tornados, destroyed over 75% of the structures in its path, and left the majority of New Orleans under 15-20 feet of water. The workshop was sponsored by FEMA and LOHSEP, with a weather scenario designed by the National Weather Service and damage and consequences developed by IEM Inc. of Baton Rouge."<br><br>Continued (on PDF "Spring 2005", page 3)<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.lepa.org/Newsletter/newsletter2.htm">www.lepa.org/Newsletter/newsletter2.htm</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>fed-up (96 posts) <br>Sat Sep-03-05 04:36 AM<br>Response to Original message<br><br>86. Nat'l Guard in Iraq, NorthCom HERE/repost from Tues eve by scarletwoman<br><br><br>Bookmarked this on Wed as I was too tired to read it<br><br>Thread stated by: scarletwoman (1000+ posts)<br>Think about the implications of this: Nat'l Guard in Iraq, NorthCom HERE.<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4519574">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4519574</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>scarletwoman (1000+ posts) <br>Wed Aug-31-05 03:02 AM<br>Original message<br><br>Think about the implications of this: Nat'l Guard in Iraq, NorthCom HERE.<br><br>Allow me to explain. Earlier today in the break room at work I caught a bit of CNN post-Katrina disaster coverage and there was an interview with the director(?) of FEMA.<br><br>He was talking about how, under the auspices of Homeland Security, the Northern Command was mobilizing army troops to deal with the disaster relief efforts.<br><br>Not a word about the National Guard -- which, in the old days, would have been the ones in the forefront of relief mobilization.<br><br>This is what I want folks to ponder. FEMA, already a sinister entity in our pre-9/11 world (look up what sorts of powers Reagan gave the agency in regard to martial law and suspension of local government powers and the Constitution itself -- it's NOT just a nice "helping hand" agency granting loans to disaster victims, it's MUCH more.), has been rolled into the whole "Homeland Security" apparatus with more powers than ever for government control over the populace.<br><br>Add to this the establishment of the Northern Command, the military arm of Homeland Security, specifically designated for domestic deployment, and under Federal/Pentagon command.<br><br>Meanwhile, the National Guard, which is normally under the command of state governors is being effectively moved out of the picture by being deployed to fight on foreign soil. Our National Guards have always been our neighbors, folks with roots in the communities they were supposed to serve. But they've been sent away, and along with that comes the end of state control over any domestic use of the military.<br><br>Now any domestic use of the military is under the control of the Feds. The soldiers in the streets are NOT your neighbors and community members, they are the professional, permanent military. The Posse Comitatus laws have been done away with by the monster of Homeland Security.<br><br>Think about it. If crowd control is deemed necessary, the Feds will have all the say. These will not be your neighbors and community members holding their guns on you. They will not be the high school classmates of your kids, they will not be your nephews and nieces, or your neighbor's kids who might have some qualms about pulling a trigger on people they grew up around.<br><br>No, that's been neatly done away with. They've been moved out the way, sent to be cannon fodder in the imperialist wars, while the Federal government -- the national security state -- has given itself the power to use its military domestically in whatever way it deems necessary.<br><br>Anyway, these thoughts have been chilling me all day. I wish I could express this better, but I'm hoping that the gist of what I'm trying to say will come through.<br><br>Additional:<br>htuttle (1000+ posts) <br>Wed Aug-31-05 03:05 AM<br>Response to Original message<br><br>4. They picked up that idea after Tianamen Square<br><br><br>IIRC, the Chinese government eventually sent troops from Szechwan into the Square, because the local PLA troops wouldn't shoot at the protestors.<br><br>16. Is the "First Army" part of the Northern Command?<br><br><br>The guy on CNN this afternoon specifically said "NorthCom", which is what got me going on all this. I've been horrified at the establishment of the Northern Command from the very start, and when I heard this guy so casually state that NorthCom would be handling the disaster zone operation, it just stopped me cold.<br><br>And of course, the idiot newsreader never raised a peep about the National Guard...<br><br>Nikki Stone 1 (1000+ posts) <br>Wed Aug-31-05 03:51 AM<br>Response to Reply #16<br><br>20. I think Canada is becoming part of NorthCom as well<br><br><br>According to the Institute for Global Research.<br><br>Nothing Without Hope (1000+ posts) <br>Wed Aug-31-05 05:42 AM<br>Response to Reply #20<br><br>38. Yes - unilateral decision by the US, clear violation of territorial sovereignty of Canada and Mexico. I posted on it downthread here:<br><br>Northern Command (NORTHCOM): The Pentagon's Homeland Defense Agency is commanded by the general who was in charge of defending New York and Washington airspace on 9/11<br><br>General Ralph Eberhart, who was in charge of NORAD (air defense) on 9/11, was made the first commander of the new "Northern Command," the domestic unified military command established in October 2002. If the domestic use of the U.S. military escalates into full-scale martial law, the Northern Command would essentially manage it. If 9/11 had been an "intelligence failure," it is likely that General Eberhart would have been court-martialed instead of promoted.<br><br>The creation of NORTHCOM announced in April 2002, constitutes a blatant violation of both Canadian and Mexican territorial sovereignty. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld announced unilaterally that US Northern Command would have jurisdiction over the entire North American region. Canada and Mexico were presented with a fait accompli. US Northern Command's jurisdiction as outlined by the US DoD includes, in addition to the continental US, all of Canada, Mexico, as well as portions of the Caribbean, contiguous waters in the Atlantic and Pacific oceans up to 500 miles off the Mexican, US and Canadian coastlines as well as the Canadian Arctic.<br><br>The full article referred to has much more to say about Northcom and the militarization of civil institutions from the perspecitive of a Canadian seeing it as part of the neocons' plans to appropriate Canadian airspace and in a sense its sovereignty. Here's the article:<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO411C.html">globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO411C.html</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>This general Eberard HAD to be in on the conspiracy to call off NORAD for long enough for the planes to reach NYC and the Pentagon, which was a far longer time than it took for being stopped either before 9/11 or after it. If he was part of that conspiracy, then what would he stop at? And THIS is the person in charge of disaster relief instead of OUR National Guard??!!?? HIS tender mercies could not be wished on your worst enemy, and all these helpless, suffering people have only him. No wonder there was so little preparation or aid given. I don't think release from martial law will be fast or complete. And another deadly precedent has now been set. OUR National Guard has been militarized and taken away from their home, where they would interact with the people. Instead we have the man in charge of the 9/11 NORAD call-off.<br><br>Nothing Without Hope (1000+ posts) <br>Wed Aug-31-05 04:43 AM<br>Response to Reply #5<br><br>32. Horrible, horrible - is THIS why Bush looked so pleased with his cake<br><br><br>and his guitar? SOMETHING has happened to make him feel like he's counted coup on us fools - again. I am beginning to suspect that the very inadequate response to and preparation for the hurricane may have been deliberate, not just carelessness and callousness. I am suspicious to the point of beginning to suspect LIHOP, even with the levee break for which the sandbag helicopter never arrived, the break that was never reported until it was huge, the break where there were no sandbag teams, no preparation when the hurricane was coming.<br><br>He's confirmed now that OUR National Guard is his to kill or dispose of in his illegal wars of choice. Disaster rellief is optional in any case and consists mostly in "controlling looting."<br><br>As a bonus for him, the price of oil is up. The Saudis will be pleased - with those drilling rigs out, some of the US productioin will be offline for a while and all the more valuable when it is back up.<br><br>Something stinks most suspiciously about this. LIHOP? I don't know, but I'm starting to wonder. There was never any effort by Bush to limit the damage. When that helicopter with the sandbag for the failing levee never showed up, the NO mayor tried frantically to reach the president and was unable to.<br><br>Deliberate? I do wonder. If it was NOT deliberate, it is a scathing example of unbelievable callousness and carelessness. Myself, I'm leaning toward LIHOP. Hey, they've wanted martial law, had a FEMA plan in place for it - what are they going to do now?<br><br>Nothing Without Hope (1000+ posts) <br>Wed Aug-31-05 03:54 AM<br>Response to Original message<br><br>21. Bush has been so cheerful and so utterly unconcerned with preparation,<br><br><br>relief, levee sandbagging, ANYTHING. The first report of the major levee break described it as already huge.<br><br>Was this LIHOP? Was that levee break natural? Or even if it was not deliberately detonated, was it deliberately allowed to degenerate without being shored up?<br><br>The National Guard's first duty is in exactly situations like this. So in addition to getting nice high oil prices and who knows what other benefits from the devastation, Bush has managed to set up a situation where no one can depend on the National Guard really helping with this disaster the way they should. They're in Iraq being shot at. Bush has taken another step in militarizing the Guard, stealing it from the US citizens and turning it into cannon fodder for his illegal foreign war of choice.<br><br>I am getting the feeling that there are deliberate aspects to this, LIHOP aspects. Bush looks so happy as he eats his cake and poses with the guitar. The desperate NO mayor, trying to find why the helicopter which was supposed to drop the 3500 pound sandbag into the levee breach never arrived, could not reach the president, who obviously has other priorities. The flood increaed, the nearby pumps broke down, and now the disaster is far greater than it would have been if the levees had been protected.<br><br>LIHOP? I am beginning to think so.<br><br>scarletwoman (1000+ posts) <br>Wed Aug-31-05 04:13 AM<br>Response to Reply #21<br><br>26. Did you see the thread yesterday about how funds for strengthening<br><br><br>the levees around NO were drastically reduced in the latest budget?<br><br>There was a great thread about it yesterday, I'm sorry I don't really remember all the details.<br><br>I agree with you that the quality of the response to this disaster has been less than adequate. Not sure I'd ascribe it to deliberate malicious intent as opposed to just plain incompetence.<br><br>But the misuse of our National Guard is unconscionable, without question.<br><br>Eloriel (1000+ posts) <br>Wed Aug-31-05 03:14 PM<br>Response to Reply #26<br><br>80. Here are a number of threads<br><br><br>Edited on Wed Aug-31-05 03:15 PM by Eloriel<br><br>and first, two MUST READ articles:<br><br>MUST READ: When the levee breaks<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.pnionline.com/dnblog/attytood/archives/002331.html">www.pnionline.com/dnblog/attytood/archives/002331.html</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>Disaster in the Making#<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.sfbg.com/38/52/news_fema.html">www.sfbg.com/38/52/news_fema.html</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>CNN/New Orleans:"Mayor blasts failure to patch levee breeches" and that's (many links)<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4523783">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4523783</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>rethug defunding of disaster planning & emerg. mgmt. aggravated Katrina (several links)<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4493298">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4493298</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>Hold Bush accountable for the flooding of New Orleans!<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2045974">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2045974</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br>Link: <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.sfbg.com/38/52/news_fema.html">www.sfbg.com/38/52/news_fema.html</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>New Orleans district, U.S. Army Corps of Engineers Cut by Bush<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2042880&mesg_id=2042880">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2042880&mesg_id=2042880</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>Link: <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4200/is_20050606/ai_n14657367">www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4200/is_20050606/ai_n14657367</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>I don't get it. All these years and NO FUCKING PLANS????<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4514528">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4514528</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>CNN/New Orleans:"Mayor blasts failure to patch levee breeches" and that's<br>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4482567">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4482567</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>Thread title: Bush has slashed Clinton's Disaster Mitigation Program. (unbelievable)<br>Posted by barbaraann GD Forum Sun Aug-28-05 12:23 PM<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2042880">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2042880</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>Thread title: New Orleans district, U.S. Army Corps of Engineers Cut by Bush<br>Posted by usregimechange GD-P Mon Aug-29-05 12:25 AM<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4490119">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4490119</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>Thread title: Bush Cut Hurricane, Flood Protection Funding to New Orleans<br>Posted by Lori Price CLG GD Forum Sun Aug-28-05 09:59 PM<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2042922">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2042922</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>Thread title: DU media Blast Bush's cuts to U.S. Army Corps of Engineers<br>sregimechange GD-P Mon Aug-29-05 12:54 AM<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4517048">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4517048</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>thread title: Cuts to the Army Corps of Engineers... not a politicization, just<br>4MoronicYears GD Forum Tue Aug-30-05 08:44 PM<br><br>Former mayor of NO on CNN (w/Soledad)<br>(pleading for help from Bush)<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4523454">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4523454</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>Link:<!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/08/20050830-4.html">www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/08/20050830-4.html</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>Did New Orleans Catastrophe Have to Happen? 'Times-Picayune' Repeatedly<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2047226">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2047226</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br>Link: <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001051313">www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001051313</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br> <p></p><i></i>
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When the levee breaks<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.pnionline.com/dnblog/attytood/archives/002331.html">www.pnionline.com/dnblog/attytood/archives/002331.html</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br>It appears that the money has been moved in the president’s budget to handle homeland security and the war in Iraq, and I suppose that’s the price we pay. Nobody locally is happy that the levees can’t be finished, and we are doing everything we can to make the case that this is a security issue for us.<br><br>-- Walter Maestri, emergency management chief for Jefferson Parish, Louisiana; New Orleans Times-Picayune, June 8, 2004.<br><br>This picture is an aerial view of New Orleans today, more than 14 months later. Even though Hurricane Katrina has moved well north of the city and the sun is out, the waters continue to rise in New Orleans as we write this. That's because Lake Pontchartrain continues to pour through a two-block- long break in the main levee, near the city's 17th Street Canal. With much of the Crescent City some 10 feet below sea level, the rising tide may not stop until until it's level with the massive lake.<br><br>There have been numerous reports of bodies floating in the poorest neighborhoods of this poverty-plagued city, but the truth is that the death toll may not be known for days, because the conditions continue to frustrate rescue efforts.<br><br>New Orleans had long known it was highly vulnerable to flooding and a direct hit from a hurricane. In fact, the federal government has been working with state and local officials in the region since the late 1960s on major hurricane and flood relief efforts. When flooding from a massive rainstorm in May 1995 killed six people, Congress authorized the Southeast Louisiana Urban Flood Control Project, or SELA.<br><br>Over the next 10 years, the Army Corps of Engineers, tasked with carrying out SELA, spent $430 million on shoring up levees and building pumping stations, with $50 million in local aid. But at least $250 million in crucial projects remained, even as hurricane activity in the Atlantic Basin increased dramatically and the levees surrounding New Orleans continued to subside.<br><br>Yet after 2003, the flow of federal dollars toward SELA dropped to a trickle. The Corps never tried to hide the fact that the spending pressures of the war in Iraq, as well as homeland security -- coming at the same time as federal tax cuts -- was the reason for the strain. At least nine articles in the Times-Picayune from 2004 and 2005 specifically cite the cost of Iraq as a reason for the lack of hurricane- and flood-control dollars. (Much of the research here is from Nexis, which is why some articles aren't linked.)<br><br>In early 2004, as the cost of the conflict in Iraq soared, President Bush proposed spending less than 20 percent of what the Corps said was needed for Lake Pontchartrain, according to this Feb. 16, 2004, article, in New Orleans CityBusiness:<br><br>The $750 million Lake Pontchartrain and Vicinity Hurricane Protection project is another major Corps project, which remains about 20% incomplete due to lack of funds, said Al Naomi, project manager. That project consists of building up levees and protection for pumping stations on the east bank of the Mississippi River in Orleans, St. Bernard, St. Charles and Jefferson parishes.<br><br>The Lake Pontchartrain project is slated to receive $3.9 million in the president's 2005 budget. Naomi said about $20 million is needed.<br><br>"The longer we wait without funding, the more we sink," he said. "I've got at least six levee construction contracts that need to be done to raise the levee protection back to where it should be (because of settling). Right now I owe my contractors about $5 million. And we're going to have to pay them interest."<br><br>That June, with the 2004 hurricane seasion starting, the Corps' Naomi went before a local agency, the East Jefferson Levee Authority, and essentially begged for $2 million for urgent work that Washington was now unable to pay for. From the June 18, 2004 Times-Picayune:<br><br>"The system is in great shape, but the levees are sinking. Everything is sinking, and if we don’t get the money fast enough to raise them, then we can’t stay ahead of the settlement," he said. "The problem that we have isn’t that the levee is low, but that the federal funds have dried up so that we can’t raise them."<br><br>The panel authorized that money, and on July 1, 2004, it had to pony up another $250,000 when it learned that stretches of the levee in Metairie had sunk by four feet. The agency had to pay for the work with higher property taxes. The levee board noted in October 2004 that the feds were also now not paying for a hoped-for $15 million project to better shore up the banks of Lake Pontchartrain.<br><br>The 2004 hurricane season, as you probably recall, was the worst in decades. In spite of that, the federal government came back this spring with the steepest reduction in hurricane- and flood-control funding for New Orleans in history. Because of the proposed cuts, the Corps office there imposed a hiring freeze. Officials said that money targeted for the SELA project -- $10.4 million, down from $36.5 million -- was not enough to start any new jobs. According to New Orleans CityBusiness this June 5:<br><br>The district has identified $35 million in projects to build and improve levees, floodwalls and pumping stations in St. Bernard, Orleans, Jefferson and St. Charles parishes. Those projects are included in a Corps line item called Lake Pontchartrain, where funding is scheduled to be cut from $5.7 million this year to $2.9 million in 2006. Naomi said it's enough to pay salaries but little else.<br><br>"We'll do some design work. We'll design the contracts and get them ready to go if we get the money. But we don't have the money to put the work in the field, and that's the problem," Naomi said.<br><br>There was, at the same time, a growing recognition that more research was needed to see what New Orleans must do to protect itself from a Category 4 or 5 hurricane. But once again, the money was not there. As the Times-Picayune reported last Sept. 22:<br><br>That second study would take about four years to complete and would cost about $4 million, said Army Corps of Engineers project manager Al Naomi. About $300,000 in federal money was proposed for the 2005 fiscal-year budget, and the state had agreed to match that amount.<br><br>But the cost of the Iraq war forced the Bush administration to order the New Orleans district office not to begin any new studies, and the 2005 budget no longer includes the needed money, he said.<br><br>The Senate was seeking to restore some of the SELA funding cuts for 2006. But now it's too late. One project that a contractor had been racing to finish this summer was a bridge and levee job right at the 17th Street Canal, site of the main breach. The levee failure appears to be causing a human tragedy of epic proportions:<br><br>"We probably have 80 percent of our city under water; with some sections of our city the water is as deep as 20 feet. Both airports are underwater," Mayor Ray Nagin told a radio interviewer.<br><br>Washington knew that this day could come at any time, and it knew the things that needed to be done to protect the citizens of New Orleans. But in the tradition of the riverboat gambler, the Bush administration decided to roll the dice on its fool's errand in Iraq, and on a tax cut that mainly benefitted the rich.<br><br>And now Bush has lost that gamble, big time. We hope that Congress will investigate what went wrong here.<br><br>The president told us that we needed to fight in Iraq to save lives here at home, and yet -- after moving billions of domestic dollars to the Persian Gulf -- there are bodies floating through the streets of Louisiana. What does George W. Bush have to say for himself now?<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Disaster in the Making<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.sfbg.com/38/52/news_fema.html">www.sfbg.com/38/52/news_fema.html</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>Disaster in the making<br>As FEMA weathers a storm of Bush administration policy and budget changes, protection from natural hazards may be trumped by "homeland security."<br><br>By Jon Elliston<br><br>FRIDAYS DON'T GET much busier than this. It's the morning of Sept. 3, and Federal Emergency Management Agency headquarters in Washington, D.C., is running at a full clip, having mobilized a cadre of disaster-response specialists in its National Emergency Operations Center the day before. "This is our 'war room,' " a FEMA employee explains. <br><br>"Right now we're in 24-hours-a-day activation," he says. "It's a double whammy." Indeed, the agency is still busy helping Florida recover from Hurricane Charley's punishing winds and rain when satellite images show that an even greater storm, Hurricane Frances, will soon make landfall. It appears so threatening that most of FEMA's personnel on the ground, along with 2.5 million Floridians, have evacuated from the storm's projected path. <br><br>Inside the op center, scores of personnel from FEMA and a host of other agencies, including the Environmental Protection Agency, the Coast Guard, the Army Corps of Engineers, and the Department of Health and Human Services, buzz around in what appears to be a state of controlled chaos. They work the phones, hover over computer screens, and trade the latest weather forecasts. Using a time-tested system of disaster management, they've split their tasks into 12 "emergency support functions" designed to bring in food, water, medical care, electricity, housing, transportation, and other desperately needed resources as soon as Frances moves on. <br><br>John Crowe, a Department of Homeland Security geospatial mapping expert detailed to FEMA to help track such outbreaks of rough weather, steps outside the building for a quick cigarette. "Everybody's really running into gear here," he says between puffs. "FEMA's ready, about as ready as they've ever been." <br><br>FEMA's relatively quick response to the hurricanes has thus far won mostly high marks from Florida officials, who remember well a time when the disaster agency seemed the last party to show up after catastrophes. In addition, President George W. Bush has paid multiple visits to assure storm victims they will get whatever help is needed, and he promptly secured more than $2 billion from Congress to fund Florida's recovery. <br><br>As storms continue to batter the Panhandle, no one would call Florida lucky. But with national elections just around the corner, the hurricanes could scarcely have hit at a better time or place for obtaining federal disaster assistance. "They're doing a good job," one former FEMA executive says of the Bush administration's response efforts. "And the reason why they're doing that job is because it's so close to the election, and they can't fuck it up, otherwise they lose Florida – and if they lose Florida, they might lose the election." <br><br>Such political considerations may indeed make this round of recoveries go better than most. But long before this hurricane season, some emergency managers inside and outside of government started sounding an alarm that still rings loudly. Bush administration policy changes and budget cuts, they say, are sapping FEMA's long-term ability to cushion the blow of hurricanes, earthquakes, floods, tornadoes, wildfires, and other natural disasters. <br><br>Among emergency specialists, "mitigation" – the measures taken in advance to minimize the damage caused by natural disasters – is a crucial part of the strategy to save lives and cut recovery costs. But since 2001, key federal disaster mitigation programs, developed over many years, have been slashed and tossed aside. FEMA's Project Impact, a model mitigation program created by the Clinton administration, has been canceled outright. Federal funding of post- disaster mitigation efforts designed to protect people and property from the next disaster has been cut in half, and now communities across the country must compete for pre-disaster mitigation dollars. <br><br>As a result, some state and local emergency managers say, it's become more difficult to get the equipment and funds they need to most effectively deal with disasters. <br><br>In the Bay Area, where living on an earthquake fault should prioritize disaster preparedness, state and city funding for emergency management and citizens' training is often precarious. <br><br>"We have a limited state grant, but we rely more heavily on federal funding," says Lt. Erica Arteseros, coordinator of the San Francisco Fire Department's Neighborhood Emergency Response Team training program. She describes the tight budgetary situation of a year ago, when NERT funding was cut on both city and federal levels. "We had to operate pretty much on a shoestring." <br><br>"We need every Homeland Security dollar we can get," agrees Amy Gaver, director of community preparedness and youth services for the Bay Area chapter of the American Red Cross. "Training people to take care of themselves in a disaster should be a necessary investment on the part of the government." <br><br>On the state level, California disaster management agencies voice concern about the ongoing congressional proposals to halve federal funding for training citizen disaster response teams. Adam Sutkus, state director of the Citizen Corps program, says, "Congress often argues that federal money isn't adequately used by state agencies and local programs. But here in California, 92 percent of the funds for fiscal year 2002 were used directly on the local level. That proves that we do need and use the money. The proposed federal cuts could be very damaging to Californian volunteer disaster response programs." <br><br>In North Carolina, a state regularly damaged by hurricanes and floods, FEMA recently refused the state's request to buy backup generators for emergency support facilities. And the budget cuts have halved the funding for a mitigation program that saved an estimated $8.8 million in recovery costs in three eastern N.C. communities alone after 1997's Hurricane Floyd. In Louisiana, another state vulnerable to hurricanes, requests for flood mitigation funds were rejected by FEMA this summer.<br><br>Consequently, the residents of these and other disaster-prone states will find the government less able to help them when help is needed most, and states and the federal government will be forced to shoulder more recovery costs after disasters strike. <br><br>In addition, the White House has pushed for privatization of essential government services, including disaster management, and merged FEMA into the Department of Homeland Security, where natural disaster programs are often sidelined by counterterrorism programs. Along the way, morale at FEMA has plummeted, and many of the agency's most experienced personnel have left for work in other government agencies or private corporations. <br><br>In June, Pleasant Mann, a 16-year FEMA veteran who heads the agency's government employee union, wrote members of Congress to warn of the agency's decay. "Over the past three-and-one-half years, FEMA has gone from being a model agency to being one where funds are being misspent, employee morale has fallen, and our nation's emergency management capability is being eroded," he wrote. "Our professional staff are being systematically replaced by politically connected novices and contractors." <br><br>So while they're far from where hurricanes hit hardest, FEMA's Washington-based disaster managers find themselves in the middle of a perfect storm of their own. <br><br>'All hazards'<br><br>FEMA has dealt with disasters since long before the term "homeland security" came into vogue after the 9/11 attacks. <br><br>Created by President Jimmy Carter in 1979 to handle the country's worst-case scenarios, FEMA has always struggled to define its precise mission. In theory, it's responsible for "all hazards," which means the agency coordinates efforts to keep the United States safe from the full spectrum of domestic dangers, be they "acts of God" like weather emergencies or acts of human enemies like al-Qaeda terrorists. <br><br>In the 1980s, the Reagan administration endowed FEMA with extraordinary powers to keep the country running – powers bordering on martial law, critics argued. The agency became responsible for "continuity of government" plans devoted to salvaging national authority in the event of a nuclear attack. Other plans, drafted by the likes of National Security Council aide Oliver North, laid the groundwork for rounding up rabble-rousers in the event of societal breakdown, whatever the cause. (The troubling implications of the agency's early work had a long legacy in popular culture, thanks to the X-Files TV show and movie, which often referenced the specter of how FEMA rule would supplant constitutional government.) <br><br>As the cold war ended, FEMA turned greater attention to handling natural disasters, but the agency proved unequal to the task. In August 1992, Hurricane Andrew assaulted Florida and other Southern states with 170 mph winds, killing 23 people and leaving a trail of devastation. The severity of the storm caught FEMA off guard, and the agency did too little, too late to help the state recover, enraging thousands of storm victims. Several days after Andrew dissipated, Dade County's emergency manager famously pleaded, "Where the hell is the cavalry?" <br><br>Two months later, President George H.W. Bush paid a price of sorts at the polls when Bill Clinton shrunk the incumbent's once-sizable lead and came within two percentage points of beating Bush in Florida. It was an important lesson learned for both the politicians and the emergency agency. <br><br>In 1993, Clinton's new FEMA director, James Lee Witt, set the agency on a corrective course. Witt, who had served under then-governor Clinton as director of Arkansas emergency management, embarked on an ambitious campaign to bulk up the agency's natural disaster programs while staying prepared for "all hazards." Witt's changes eventually reversed FEMA's reputation for being unfocused and ineffective. The agency garnered praise from both Democrats and Republicans for improving coordination with state and local emergency offices and turning attention and resources to the benefits of disaster mitigation. <br><br>"Mitigation is the cornerstone of emergency management," a FEMA Web site explains today. "It's the ongoing effort to lessen the impact disasters have on people's lives and property." Under mitigation plans, houses in floodplains are moved or raised above the flood line, buildings are designed to withstand hurricane winds and earthquakes, and communities are relocated away from likely wildfire zones. According to FEMA estimates, every dollar spent on mitigation saves roughly $2 in disaster recovery costs. <br><br>The need for more systematic mitigation efforts was driven home by 1996's Hurricane Fran, which killed 37 people and caused tens of billions of dollars in damages. In 1997, Witt established Project Impact, which would become the agency's most high-profile mitigation program. <br><br>Under the project, FEMA fostered partnerships between federal, state, and local emergency workers, along with local businesses, to prepare individual communities for natural disasters. Impact partnerships sprang up in all 50 states. In Seattle, for example, the grants were used to retrofit schools, bridges, and houses at risk from earthquakes. In Pascagoula, Miss., the project funded the creation of a database of structures in the local floodplain – crucial information for preparing mitigation plans. In several eastern North Carolina communities, it helped fund and coordinate buyouts of houses in flood-prone areas. <br><br>By the time the Bush administration entered office in January 2001, some 250 communities had signed up for Project Impact. FEMA seemed sturdy, having found its role and proved itself capable of fulfilling it. But in the field of emergency management, some things can change as quickly as the weather. <br><br>Bush's FEMA<br><br>From its first months in office, the Bush administration made it clear that emergency programs, like much of the federal government, were in for a major reorientation. <br><br>At FEMA, Bush appointed a close aide, Joe Allbaugh, to be the agency's new director. Allbaugh had served as then-governor Bush's chief of staff in Texas and as manager of his 2000 presidential campaign. Along with Karl Rove and Karen Hughes, Allbaugh was known as one part of Bush's "iron triangle" of professional handlers. <br><br>Some FEMA veterans complained that Allbaugh had little experience in managing disasters, and the new administration's early initiatives did little to settle their concerns. The White House quickly launched a government-wide effort to privatize public services, including key elements of disaster management. Bush's first budget director, Mitch Daniels, spelled out the philosophy in remarks at an April 2001 conference: "The general idea – that the business of government is not to provide services, but to make sure that they are provided – seems self-evident to me," he said. <br><br>In a May 15, 2001, appearance before a Senate appropriations subcommittee, Allbaugh signaled that the new, stripped-down approach would be applied at FEMA as well. "Many are concerned that federal disaster assistance may have evolved into both an oversized entitlement program and a disincentive to effective state and local risk management," he said. "Expectations of when the federal government should be involved and the degree of involvement may have ballooned beyond what is an appropriate level." <br><br>As a result, says a disaster program administrator who insists on anonymity, "We have to compete for our jobs – we have to prove that we can do it cheaper than a contractor." And when it comes to handling disasters, the FEMA employee stresses, cheaper is not necessarily better, and the new outsourcing requirements sometimes slow the agency's operations. <br><br>William Waugh, a disaster expert at Georgia State University who has written training programs for FEMA, warns that the rise of a "consultant culture" has not served emergency programs well. "It's part of a widespread problem of government contracting out capabilities," he says. "Pretty soon governments can't do things because they've given up those capabilities to the private sector. And private corporations don't necessarily maintain those capabilities." <br><br>The push for privatization wasn't the only change that raised red flags at FEMA. As a 2004 article in the Journal of Homeland Security and Emergency Management would later note, "Allbaugh brought about several internal, though questionably effective, reorganizations of FEMA. The Bush-Allbaugh FEMA diminished the Clinton administration's organizational emphasis on disaster mitigation." <br><br>In February 2001, for example, the Bush administration proposed eliminating Project Impact, a move approved by Congress later in the year. (On the very day the White House proposal was submitted, a magnitude 6.8 earthquake rocked Washington state, which was home to several communities where Project Impact had sponsored quake mitigation efforts.) Ending the project and trimming other FEMA programs, the White House argued, would save roughly $200 million. In its place, FEMA instituted a new program of mitigation grants that are awarded on a competitive basis. <br><br>The administration also made a failed attempt to cut the federal percentage of large-scale natural disaster preparedness expenditures. Since the 1990s, the federal government has paid 75 percent of such costs, with states and municipalities funding the other 25 percent. The White House's attempt to reduce the federal contribution to 50 percent was defeated in Congress. <br><br>At the same time, Allbaugh gave off contradictory signals on the value of mitigation, on one occasion chastising a community for doing too little to prepare in advance for disaster. In April 2001 he caused a stir when he asked Iowans, then in the midst of massive flood recovery efforts, "How many times will the American taxpayer have to step in and take care of this flooding, which could be easily prevented by building levees and dikes?" <br><br>A month later, the Washington Post reported that the Bush administration's moves against mitigation programs were causing worries in disaster-prone states. "Statehouse critics of the proposed cuts contend that in the long run they would cost the government more because many communities will be unable to afford preventative measures and as a result will require more relief money when disasters strike," the newspaper noted. <br><br>By ignoring the logic of fully funded mitigation and other preparedness programs, Bush's first FEMA director earned some scorn among emergency specialists. "Allbaugh? He was inept," says Claire Rubin, a senior researcher at George Washington University's Institute for Crisis, Disaster and Risk Management. "He was chief of staff for Bush in Texas – that was his credential. He didn't have an emergency management background, other than the disasters he ran into in Texas, and he wasn't a very open guy. He didn't want to learn anything." <br><br>Allbaugh's troubled tenure at the agency would be a relatively short one. In December 2002, he announced he would leave his post. While political observers expected Allbaugh to join the Bush reelection effort, instead he set about creating a string of lobbying firms, including New Bridge Strategies, which helps U.S. companies win reconstruction contracts in Iraq. This summer, he started another consulting company with Andrew Lundquist, the former director of Vice President Dick Cheney's secretive energy policy task force. The firm's first client was Lockheed Martin, one of the country's largest defense contractors. <br><br>The merger<br><br>The early problems at Allbaugh's FEMA, nettlesome as they were, paled in comparison to the challenges the agency faced after 9/11. In the wake of the terrorist attacks, leading members of Congress pushed for a radical restructuring of the government's antiterrorism apparatus. Sen. Joe Lieberman (D-Conn.) proposed legislation to merge several federal agencies into a new security-focused umbrella department. At first the White House opposed the plan, calling it impractical and unnecessary. <br><br>But then, as former counterterrorism czar Richard Clarke explained in his recent book Against All Enemies, "the White House legislative affairs office began to take a head count on Capitol Hill." Realizing that the Lieberman bill would likely pass both houses of Congress, with no credit given to the White House, in June 2002 the administration changed its tune, calling for a new Department of Homeland Security that would be even larger than the one Lieberman had proposed. <br><br>Under the administration's plan, 22 government agencies, FEMA among them, would be merged into the DHS. Analysts in and out of government warned against subsuming the emergency agency's vital functions in a new superdepartment. "There are concerns of FEMA losing its identity as an agency that is quick to respond to all hazards and disasters," the agency's inspector general noted in a memo to Allbaugh. Congress's Government Accountability Office judged the merger to be a "high-risk" endeavor for FEMA, and the Brookings Institution, a leading Washington think tank, cautioned in a report that such a move could hobble the agency's natural disaster programs. "While a merged FEMA might become highly adept at preparing for and responding to terrorism, it would likely become less effective in performing its current mission in case of natural disasters as time, effort and attention are inevitably diverted to other tasks within the larger organization." <br><br>But Bush's proposal won out, and a shift in priorities from natural disasters to counterterrorism immediately took hold. In its 2002 budget, the White House doubled FEMA's budget to $6.6 billion, but of that sum, $3.5 billion was earmarked for equipment and training to help states and localities respond to terrorist attacks. <br><br>Michael Brown, a college friend of Allbaugh's who had served as FEMA's general counsel, was recruited to head the agency, which would now be part of the DHS's Emergency and Response Directorate. When the reorganization took effect March 1, 2003, Brown assured skeptics that under the new arrangement, the country would be served by "FEMA on steroids" – a faster, more effective disaster agency. <br><br>But the merger into the DHS has compounded the agency's problems, says FEMA employee and union president Mann. "Before, we reported straight to the White House, and now we've got this elaborate bureaucracy on top of us, and a lot of this bureaucracy doesn't think what we're doing is that important, because terrorism isn't our number one," he says. "The biggest frustration here is that we at FEMA have responded to disasters like Oklahoma City and 9/11, and here are people who haven't responded to a kitchen fire telling us how to deal with terrorism. You know, there were a lot of people who fell down on the job on 9/11, but it wasn't us." <br><br>The FEMA program administrator says the crux of the problem is that the agency is buried in the DHS, which is regarded as a "do-nothing agency" among FEMA's action-oriented staff. "You know, FEMA could do well by itself, and FEMA was starting to do well by itself. But that's changed." <br><br>Rubin, the George Washington University researcher, agrees with these assessments. "DHS has done a number of things to FEMA that are making it very, very hard for FEMA to function as it used to," she says. "A large number of people who are experienced with natural hazards no longer are doing that primarily or at all." <br><br>On Aug. 4, 2003, Brown announced FEMA would at least be permitted to keep its name, if not its status as an independent agency. He has insisted FEMA will stay prepared for "all hazards," even the nonterrorist ones. "Yes, it's a new world, it's a dangerous world, and the Department of Homeland Security will have a focus on terrorism, but it's not the only focus," he said in early 2003. <br><br>But the tension between Brown's competing duties has proved unavoidable. In May 2003, for example, the DHS staged TOPOFF 2 – officially billed as "the largest homeland security exercise in the history of the United States" – to test the government's ability to deal with a terrorist attack with weapons of mass destruction. The same week of the exercise, hundreds of real-life tornadoes ripped through the Midwest, causing some FEMA staffers to find themselves torn between practicing for terrorism and handling an actual natural disaster. And while resources for the DHS exercise were readily available, according to Mann, FEMA's headquarters staff was forced, that same summer, to cancel disaster training drills due to budget shortfalls. <br><br>Whither mitigation?<br><br>In 2003, Congress approved a White House proposal to cut FEMA's Hazard Mitigation Grant Program in half. Previously, the federal government was committed to invest 15 percent of the recovery costs of a given disaster in mitigating future problems. Under the Bush formula, the feds now cough up only 7.5 percent. <br><br>Such post-disaster mitigation efforts, specialists say, are a crucial way of minimizing future losses. It's after a disaster strikes, they argue, that the government can best take the steps necessary to avoid repeat problems, because that's when officials and storm victims are most receptive to mitigation plans. <br><br>Larry Larson is executive director of the Association of State Floodplain Managers, an organization that keeps a close eye on mitigation matters. The Bush administration, he says, is "being penny-wise and pound foolish" by cutting the HMGP formula. His group has pressed Congress to restore the federal investment to 15 percent of disaster costs, and he expects some legislators will soon take up the cause on their own. "Florida's going to be looking for mitigation money so that they can rebuild in a safer fashion," he says. "I'm sure that the Florida delegation is going to be thinking now about how the state can't do what's needed with the recent cuts in post-disaster mitigation – how they can't do today what they could have done before." <br><br>Pressed on this issue, Bush administration officials have said the formula puts more of the mitigation burden on state governments, where it belongs. But the National Emergency Management Association points out that, now more than ever, cash-strapped states can't afford to pick up the balance. "The federal focus on terrorism preparedness has left states with an increased responsibility to provide support for natural disasters and emergencies," noted a report released by the association this summer. "State budget shortfalls have given emergency management programs less to work with, at a time when more is expected of them. In fiscal year 2004, the average budget for a state emergency management agency was $40.8 million, a 23 percent reduction from fiscal year 2003." <br><br>The administration also argues that its new pre-disaster mitigation grants, which are awarded on a competitive basis, will help states pick up the slack. But again, emergency managers say it's not enough. In recent congressional testimony, a NEMA representative noted that "in a purely competitive grant program, lower income communities, those most often at risk to natural disaster, will not effectively compete with more prosperous cities.... The prevention of repetitive damages caused by disasters would go largely unprepared in less-affluent and smaller communities." <br><br>And indeed, some in-need areas have been inexplicably left out of the program. "In a sense, Louisiana is the floodplain of the nation," a 2002 FEMA report noted. "Louisiana waterways drain two thirds of the continental United States. Precipitation in New York, the Dakotas, even Idaho and the Province of Alberta, finds its way to Louisiana's coastline." As a result, flooding is a constant threat, and the state has an estimated 18,000 buildings that have repeatedly been damaged by flood waters – the highest number of any state. And yet, this summer FEMA denied Louisiana communities' pre-disaster mitigation funding requests. <br><br>In Jefferson Parish, part of the New Orleans metropolitan area, flood zone manager Tom Rodrigue is baffled by the development. "You would think we would get maximum consideration" for the funds, he says. "This is what the grant program called for. We were more than qualified for it." <br><br>Brain drain<br><br>Within FEMA, the shift away from mitigation programs is so pronounced that many longtime specialists in the field have quit. "The priority is no longer on prevention," says the FEMA administrator. "Mitigation, honestly, is the orphaned step-child. People are leaving it in droves." <br><br>In fact, disaster professionals are leaving many parts of FEMA in droves, compromising the agency's ability to do its job. "Since last year, so many people have left who had developed most of our basic programs," Mann says. "A lot of the institutional knowledge is gone. Everyone who was able to retire has left, and then a lot of people have moved to other agencies." <br><br>There are at least two reasons for the exodus. On the one hand, FEMA, like the rest of the federal government's civil service, is hitting a demographic brick wall. Its staff of veteran managers, most of them baby boomers, is reaching retirement age. <br><br>But another factor is at work: disillusionment at the agency's new direction under the Bush administration. In February 2004, the American Federation of Government Employees surveyed 84 FEMA personnel about the state of things at the agency. The results showed a dramatic downturn in morale: 80 percent said FEMA has become "a poorer agency" under the DHS, and 60 percent said that, given the chance to move to another agency and make the same salary, they'd do so. <br><br>For some, quitting the agency has become an especially attractive option, since FEMA is outsourcing more and many former employees have found work with contractors. It's an understandable choice, Mann says. "They're saying, OK, I can't develop my career here any more, so I might as well cash out." <br><br>Not everyone who has left did so because of disenchantment, asserts Laurence Zensinger, a longtime FEMA official who resigned this year and joined Dewberry, a Fairfax, Va.-based engineering firm that does disaster work for the government. Under the DHS reorganization, he says, some of FEMA's capabilities have in fact been strengthened, because the new arrangement aids coordination among federal agencies that FEMA regularly works with. Furthermore, he says, the rise in public and governmental attention to emergency programs since 9/11 has, in a larger sense, benefited the agency. "I think there's a lot that's happening that's sort of lifting all boats," he says. <br><br>Nevertheless, FEMA must now get by with a smaller number of in-house specialists. The irony, disaster researcher Rubin says, is that FEMA will now have to hire former employees like Zensinger as contractors. "Now, frankly, the senior brains and the people with 20, 30 years of operational experience, there's more of them in the private sector than there are at FEMA. It's a significant shift. If the government's going to get smaller and the catastrophes keep getting bigger, the net effect will be to outsource what you need. It might be cheaper, it might be more expensive, but it's not a great way to run this part of government." Following the current spate of hurricanes, she predicts, "you will see FEMA contracts flying left and right so they can get these people back who know how to do this stuff." <br><br>'An exposed nerve'<br><br>In case Congress hasn't gotten the message, former FEMA director Witt recently restated it in strong terms. "I am extremely concerned that the ability of our nation to prepare for and respond to disasters has been sharply eroded," he testified at a March 24, 2004, hearing on Capitol Hill. "I hear from emergency managers, local and state leaders, and first responders nearly every day that the FEMA they knew and worked well with has now disappeared. In fact one state emergency manager told me, 'It is like a stake has been driven into the heart of emergency management.'" <br><br>Lately, though, Witt has had nothing to say publicly about the agency's performance. His disaster management company, James Lee Witt Associates, recently won a $250,000 contract with Orlando, Fla., to help the city get its share of post-hurricane FEMA money. A company spokesperson says Witt will be making no comment while Florida's recovery efforts continue, out of respect for his former colleagues. <br><br>Waugh, the Georgia State University expert, says the recent hurricanes could serve as a wake-up call to highlight FEMA's drift in priorities. "If you talk to FEMA people and emergency management people around the country, people have almost been hoping for a major natural disaster like a hurricane, just to remind DHS and the administration that there are other big things – even bigger things than al Qaeda. <br><br>"This is an exposed nerve in the emergency management community, in the sense that resources have been shifted away from hurricanes, tornadoes and other kinds of disasters – the kind of disasters that are more likely to occur than terrorism." <br><br>Jon Elliston is a North Carolina-based writer who specializes in national security issues. This article was funded by the Association of Alternative Newsweeklies and includes reporting by Folio Weekly in Jacksonville, Fla., Gambit Weekly in New Orleans, and Independent Weekly in Durham, N.C. Bay Guardian news intern Jeannette Huang contributed to this report.<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>CNN/New Orleans:"Mayor blasts failure to patch levee breeches" and that's (many links)<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4523783">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4523783</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>Nothing Without Hope (1000+ posts) <br>Wed Aug-31-05 01:49 PM<br>Original message<br><br>CNN/New Orleans:"Mayor blasts failure to patch levee breeches" and that's<br><br><br>Edited on Wed Aug-31-05 02:47 PM by Nothing Without Hope<br><br>only the beginning:<br><br>The failure to drop those sandbags and patch the levees was a catastrophe - it's resulted in the major flooding of downtown NO that may well have been avoidable. Mayor Nagin tried desperately to reach Bush, but he was unable to do so. Guess * had other priorities, like getting a manicure perhaps. To my knowledge, the fact that Bush wasn't answering the phone from the mayor of New Orleans requesting urgent, life-and-death assistance has so far not showed up in any of the major media - it was heard by people listening to Nagin's announcement and was reported here at DU.<br><br>But Nagin's fury at the failure to patch the levees in time to avert greatly intensified catastrophe and more deaths is in a CNN article this morning:<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.cnn.com/2005/WEATHER/08/31/katrina.levees/index.html">www.cnn.com/2005/WEATHER/08/31/katrina.levees/index.html</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2005/WEATHER/08/31/katrina.levees/story.new.orleans.3.ap.jpg"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br>Mayor blasts failure to patch levee breaches<br><br>Wednesday, August 31, 2005; Posted: 7:21 a.m. EDT (11:21 GMT)<br><br>(snip)<br><br>According to the mayor, Black Hawk helicopters were scheduled to pick up and drop massive 3,000- pound sandbags in the 17th Street Canal breach, but were diverted on rescue missions. Nagin said neglecting to fix the problem has set the city behind by at least a month.<br><br>"I had laid out like an eight-week to ten-week timeline where we could get the city back in semblance of order. It's probably been pushed back another four weeks as a result of this," Nagin said.<br><br>"That four weeks is going to stop all commerce in the city of New Orleans. It also impacts the nation, because no domestic oil production will happen in southeast Louisiana."<br><br>Nagin said he expects relief efforts in the city to improve as New Orleans, the National Guard and FEMA combine their command centers for better communication, followup and accountability.<br><br>FEMA is a real mess, both from cut funds and from the fallout from a Bolton clone, Albaugh, being sent in by the Bush Administration. He was so insanely abusive and disruptive, many of the career FEMA management personnel left. The disastrously mismanaged mission in New Orleans has cost lives and according to Mayor Nagin, set back by a month the schedule for reopening New Orleans. Here's a post on the Bolton Clone dispatched to FEMA:<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4520347&mesg_id=4520775">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4520347&mesg_id=4520775</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>YES ! Joe Albaugh, 1 of Bush's campaign managers & nutcase.<br><br>This man has a truly violent temper and short trigger to go with it. At one of his first meetings with career FEMA high level staff, one woman who was called on to make a report started out by introducing herself to Albaugh with her name and title. He went ballistic, screaming and raging - DID SHE THINK HE DIDN'T KNOW WHO SHE WAS?!?!?!? HOW DARE SHE PRESUME SUCH A THING??? . . .yada, yada, yada along the same line for minutes to the dead silence of everyone else in the room who had never seen such a display of temper. In other words, someone following standard business etiquette was screamed at and berated in front of her peers.<br><br>This was typical behavior for Albaugh, and one result was that many, many of the top level FEMA people left for other jobs or took early retirement because Albaugh wouldn't allow them to do the jobs they were trained to do. This was a tremendous loss of institutional knowledge for the relatively small federal agency. Albaugh hated being at FEMA and left after about a year. Although he had zip experience with disaster relief or any kind of government/public service before his explosive period with FEMA, when he left there he started a very high priced consulting firm on counter-terrorism.<br><br>Bush initially put Albaugh in place to gut FEMA - I mean why should all that federal money go to people in trouble and need through some natural disaster. Bush's attitude was that if you weren't wealthy enough to private pay someone to help you handle a disaster, you deserved whatever befell you. Anyway, when 9/11 occurred, he couldn't outwardly gut FEMA, but he pretty much emasculated it by putting it under DHS.<br><br>And then there is the cut in funding. For example:<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x151655">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x151655</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br>Thread title: 9/28/04 La should have received FEMA disaster mitigation grants, but got 0<br>From the information in this thread, it looks like the plan to allow New Orleans to be devastated by storms and floods has in effect for at least several years.<br><br>Here are some other threads on how all the different sources of funding that was supposed to be used to protect the city and provide relief efforts has been systematically gutted:<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4482567">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4482567</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br>Thread title: Bush has slashed Clinton's Disaster Mitigation Program. (unbelievable)<br>Posted by barbaraann GD Forum Sun Aug-28-05 12:23 PM<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2042880">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2042880</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br>Thread title: New Orleans district, U.S. Army Corps of Engineers Cut by Bush<br>Posted by usregimechange GD-P Mon Aug-29-05 12:25 AM<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4490119">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4490119</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br>Thread title: Bush Cut Hurricane, Flood Protection Funding to New Orleans<br>Posted by Lori Price CLG GD Forum Sun Aug-28-05 09:59 PM<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2042922">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2042922</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>Thread title: DU media Blast Bush's cuts to U.S. Army Corps of Engineers<br>sregimechange GD-P Mon Aug-29-05 12:54 AM<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2045974">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2045974</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br>thread title: Cuts to the Army Corps of Engineers... not a politicization, just<br>4MoronicYears GD Forum Tue Aug-30-05 08:44 PM<br><br>Is all of this just incompetence, callousness and greed? Maybe - but maybe not. I am beginning to suspect LIWOP - Let It Worsen On Purpose. Those levees were not repaired, when they were the highest priority. Funding was not there. And then there is the shipment of the people who SHOULD have been pitching in, OUR National Guard, overseas as cannon fodder in Bush's war of choice. Even the paltry 3500 who were supposed to arrive didn't make it yesterday, according to this thread;<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4520347">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4520347</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br>Thread title: FEMA not doing so good in N.O - National Guard never showed up today<br><br>Finally, and far from least, there really are larger, scarier reasons to be concerned about a conspiracy in which what has been happening to the National Guard and FEMA is a part. Read through this thread and think about it:<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4519574">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4519574</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br>Thread title: Think about the implications of this: Nat'l Guard in Iraq, NorthCom HERE.<br><br>Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) <br>Wed Aug-31-05 04:55 PM<br>Response to Reply #36<br><br>51. Wow! Just wow! I hadn't put two and two together on this one. Great<br><br><br>thread! I was wondering about all this, when half of California's Guard was sent off to Iraq, and they had to pull the Guards off the Golden Gate Bridge, due to lack of personnel (they didn't admit this, but that's why). I was thinking, what the hell? Our Guard is off to occupy Iraq, and to subdue, and possibly kill and torture, Iraqis, with no justification whatsoever, and we can't even guard the GG Bridge? Then I was thinking about it re: Katrina. Louisiana's Guard and its equipment over in Iraq, when they are most needed HERE. <br><br>It just hadn't occurred to me that the REASON for all this may be to REPLACE our National Guards with permanent U.S. military who DON'T LIVE IN the places where they may be called upon to control crowds and aim their weapons at people. The Guard are our neighbors, friends and family members--familiar people in our communities, often local professionals--less likely to get trigger happy in tense situations. Less prone to robotic obedience to unlawful or inhumane orders. Because it's their HOME, their community, and because they are NOT permanent military. <br><br>Well, the upshot may be that WE end up feeling just like the Iraqis--shoved around, brutalized, humiliated, "detained," imprisoned without charge or hope of trial, shot at, wounded, tortured and killed, and our neighborhoods invaded, sacked and bombed--by people we don't know, and who don't know us. <br><br>Who was it who said that injustice toward one is injustice toward all? And if we ignore the injustices in Iraq- -and other places like Guantanamo Bay--those injustices will come home to us, and have already harmed us from a distance. Their loss of human rights is our loss of human rights. And the agent of injustice is "our own" government, which, of course, will have to brutalize US to stay in power, and will need obedient robots who are trained, not to keep order, but to kill whoever the government says is "the enemy." <br><br>Chilling, indeed. <br><br>I have never thought that the Bush Cartel was incompetent. They may seem to be--and, indeed, they sometimes seem to be more than incompetent. Their behavior seems insane at times. But I think that our perception of incompetence or insanity is based on our own notions of what the goal is. WE would think, okay, if you're going to invade Iraq and liberate its people, the FIRST THING you would do--the most important plan you would have--is civil order. Not so Donald Rumsfeld--who, as Baghdad was looted, seemed to relish it, and even equated looting with freedom. To us this seemed insane. Not to him. Because the goal wasn't liberation (which requires civil order); the goal was to utterly destroy any sense of civic duty in Iraq, to smash their infrastructure to smithereens, and to make them completely dependent on Bush Cartel largess, and probably also--in Rumsfeld's diabolical mind--to give the more hoodlum element among Iraqis a taste for predatory capitalism.<br><br>If we set aside our common sense, and our own ethical and democratic values, and understand what the Bush Cartel's goals really are, then we will be better able to figure out the way to defeat them. I've been trying to make this point about election reform. Their goal all along has been direct control over the vote totals in elections. Their goal with the "Help America Vote Act" NEVER WAS reform of the election system after the mess in Florida (that put Bush in the White House!). Their goal with this legislation was just the opposite--to gain MORE control over elections for the purposes of fraud; to gain ABSOLUTE control over them, with Bushite electronic voting machine companies recording and counting all the votes using SECRET, PROPRIETARY programming code WITH NO PAPER TRAIL. They further had the goal of corrupting the election system almost beyond repair--which is why they permitted the lavish lobbying of companies like Diebold and ES&S (even as recently as at the Beverly Hilton this August--a week of fun, sun and high-ending shopping for election officials from around the country--sponsored by Diebold, ES&S and Sequoia). And it is why they appropriated $4 billion for the purchase of new election systems--not to improve democracy, but to destroy it forever. <br><br>Democrats (of the honest variety) who got involved with electronic voting, thinking it would be more efficient or more reliable (or whatever they thought) than the debacle of "hanging chads" and Republican riots in Florida, were absolutely HOODWINKED--because they didn't understand the Bush Cartel's true GOAL. (And the corrupt Dems--such as state/local election officials and the War Democrats--may have understood it, and didn't care.)<br><br>That is not incompetence. That is not insanity. That is brilliant, masterminded evil. <br><br>This year, the Bush Cartel cooked up a new official-sounding "National Commission on Elections," co-chaired by James Baker (!!!) (architect of FLA '00), and Jimmy Carter, and what I think this phony "commission" is going to do is recommend the federalization of our elections (which Bush's "pod people" and some stupid or corrupt Democrats in Congress will embrace), in order to destroy our power in state/local venues to reform the election system (get rid of Diebold, ES&S and all non-transparent voting systems). Although many of our state/local election officials are corrupt, the power over election systems still resides at the state/local level, where ordinary people still have some influence. The Bush Cartel wants to stop this local election reform movement. (I don't know if Jimmy Carter understands what they are up to, or can prevent it; but the presence of James Baker tells us all we need to know about this commission--and they have also proceeded in a way that indicates they are up to no good.)<br><br>We need to understand their true goals, and not get hoodwinked by their lies and "talking points" into thinking that they and their minions desire civil discourse. And we need to be really smart about this-- including understanding their current plan to install a War Democrat in the White House--among other things to get a Draft (which George Bush cannot do) and to expand the war in the Middle East. We cannot stop them cold, but we CAN maneuver within their game plan, to gain strategic objectives: prime among them, in my opinion, ELECTION REFORM. <br><br>We need...<br><br>Paper ballots hand-counted at the precinct level (--Canada does it in one day, although speed should not even be a consideration, just accuracy and verifiability)<br><br>or, at the least...<br><br>Paper ballot (not "paper trail"<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START ;) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> backup of all electronic voting, a 10% audit (automatic recount), strict security, and NO SECRET, PROPRIETARY programming code! (...jeez!).<br><br>We may be able to pressure a War Democrat on the progressive policy of transparent elections--as we meanwhile work from the bottom up, in state/local venues, to remove corrupt officials and begin restoring integrity to the counting of our votes. <br><br>Understand their true goal. Find the strategy that will counter and defeat it. I don't think we can do much about the Cartel's true goal in sending the state National Guards to Iraq, until we have transparent elections in some states--and begin electing state governors and other state officers who will fight it. It's interesting that both the right and the left agree that the 2nd amendment empowers peoples' militias such as the state National Guards as a RIGHT of the people. Perhaps we can unite on this issue. In any case, Bush's misuse of the National Guard--and his culpability in the New Orleans disaster--should bring some focus on this matter, while we work on ELECTION REFORM!!!!!!, in order to regain the power to correct it.<br><br>Nothing Without Hope (1000+ posts) <br>Wed Aug-31-05 06:02 PM<br>Response to Reply #51<br><br>54. I agree! And do you see how the plan for massive reorganization and<br><br><br>consolidation of the US military bases, mostly into Southern areas and areas dominated by GOP voters, may fit into this? It's certainly NOT for the avowed purpose of saving a modest (for the Pentagon) amount of money over 20 years - that's been shown to be a LIE. So why are they so keen to do it? Pork and payoffs, yes, but I don't think they'd be so exercised about it if it weren't part of a bigger plan.<br><br>I think that's part of the groundwork to facilitate military control of US citizens. Martial law enforced by the military. It's already happening now because the Guard has been banished as cannon fodder.<br><br>I do suspect the constant drumbeat about LOOTERS LOOTERS LOOTERS that we are hearing may also be related to the desire of the neocon cabal for "justification" for martial law. No wonder they wanted citizens to keep guns - it's not just to placate the NRA, it's to give an excuse for more forceful suppression as violence breaks out.<br><br>Since you've come with me this far, there's another thread that I think we should all read through. It's about the attack of Iran. They sure do want to do it, and so does the Hawk faction of the Likud that is so close to the US neocons. Don't know when, but the desire is strong and the preparations have been in progress. PLEASE READ THIS ENTIRE THREAD PLUS THE INFORMATION AT THE LINKS. Note: so far as I know - as is noted later in the thread - the business of the "cancelled military leaves after Sept 7" looks to be only a rumor. If anyone here knows different, they should post about it. Here's this vitally important thread - there are more pieces to the picture in it like the seemingly pointless banishment of General Byrnes and much more. Whether or not the attack on Iranian sovereignty is imminent, the information in this thread is important to add to the total picture:<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2037110">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2037110</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>Thread title: All the pieces are on the board, folks....time to get worried.<br><br>Nothing Without Hope (1000+ posts) <br>Thu Sep-01-05 04:23 AM<br>Response to Reply #71<br><br>75. I started writing out a full reply and realized it needs to be a synthesis<br><br><br>Edited on Thu Sep-01-05 04:39 AM by Nothing Without Hope<br><br>thread of its own. I just can't do it right now - too tired. I'll post a new thread on that tomorrow evening and put a link to it here.<br><br>In the meantime, here are older threads with some of the pieces in them but not put together and organized to make the full argument as I (ignorant as I am of the military and political forces involved in this) see it.<br><br>Unfortunately in the oldest threads some of the links to full online newspaper articles no longer work. But many do and there is still a lot of info and excerpts. Especially important are the maps - which bases are being moved where? Where is the military presence going to be if the neocons behind this get their way? How does it tie in to politics and to their plans for domination and - I believe - wish to develop a domestic Pentagon-directed military force to stifle dissent and enforce their edicts?<br><br>Here's the original thread I set up on the base moving plan.<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1782877&mesg_id=1782877">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1782877&mesg_id=1782877</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br>Thread title: LAT: Military base closings will shift troops to the South- POLITICS!!!<br>Nothing Without Hope GD-P Forum Sat May-14-05 04:29 AM<br><br>and here's a recent thread on Ellsworth and a New Mexico base:<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2039290">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2039290</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br>Thread title: LA Times: Ellsworth AF Base in S Dakota to remain open, Thune's ass saved<br>Nothing Without Hope GD-P Forum Sat Aug-27-05 06:12 AM<br><br>Both of these threads have lots of good links. Here's another older thread that hints of these possible connections I'm going to be pointing out:<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1787395&mesg_id=1787395">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1787395&mesg_id=1787395</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br>Thread title: Colorado Springs is the "New Nuremberg" for The Religious Right (pre 1945)<br>IChing GD-P Forum Mon May-16-05 07:29 PM<br><br>I'll write some kind of synthesis thread to try to show what I'm thinking about this tomorrow and link to it here. I am hoping that we can get a good dialog going with input from some of the experts here at DU. The weird, sudden, massive base closing/moving/reorganization plan CRIES FOR EXPLANATION. We know they are lying, and we need to find out the truth.<br><br>calipendence (1000+ posts) <br>Thu Sep-01-05 03:42 PM<br>Response to Reply #56<br><br>100. The Bush Regime has already screwed California twice in this way...<br><br><br>Edited on Thu Sep-01-05 03:46 PM by calipendence<br><br>The first incident was when FEMA sat on a request to clean up national parklands of fire hazard bark beetle infested timber, which made the wildfires that much worse in impact down here in Southern California a few years ago. Many months earlier Gray Davis and a bipartisan group of California politicians had requested emergency assistance in clearing out these fire hazard trees. They got a response the week before the wildfires came that they were turned down. Had at least they turned it down more immediately, perhaps the state could have done something about it.<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2003/10/31/MNG3S2NI081.DTL">www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2003/10/31/MNG3S2NI081.DTL</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>Secondly, think back to when Bush's feds did nothing to stop Enron and it's buddies rape California (and many other western states) with their criminal energy trading schemes. That was another example of us all paying for their gross negligence to do their duty of protecting the American public. They are
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Re: Katrina LIHOP stack

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Rethug defunding of disaster planning & emerg. mgmt. aggravated Katrina (several links)<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4493298">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4493298</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>People said this deserved its own post, so here it is.<br><br>defunding of New Orleans FEMA a "disaster in the making" article (part 2 of 2)<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://tinyurl.com/8lqfk">tinyurl.com/8lqfk</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br>New Orleans district of Army Corp of Engineers faces unprecedented budget cuts<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://tinyurl.com/bhkrf">tinyurl.com/bhkrf</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br>politicization of FEMA and merger with Homeland Security hurts its New Orleans area response (part 1 of 2)<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://tinyurl.com/bouz7">tinyurl.com/bouz7</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br>Louisiana National Guard wants its equipment back from Iraq<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://tinyurl.com/9ztu4">tinyurl.com/9ztu4</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br>Zwerdling and Moyers "City in a Bowl" interview on prior knowledge of catastrophic consequences<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://tinyurl.com/alxcf">tinyurl.com/alxcf</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br>disaster planning privatized by Homeland Security<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://tinyurl.com/b4grx">tinyurl.com/b4grx</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>These actions are so irresponsible negligence is insufficient to explain them. These actions constitute effective LIHOP.<br><br>Please feel free to add further sources. 2 of these 3 are from the same news source, so further sources would indeed be helpful.<br><br>Bluebear (1000+ posts) <br>Mon Aug-29-05 09:10 AM<br>Response to Original message<br><br>2. 8/1/05 La. National guard wants equipment to come back from Ira!<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://abc26.trb.com/news/natguard08012005,0,4504131.story?coll=wgno-news-1">abc26.trb.com/news/natguard08012005,0,4504131.story?coll=wgno-news-1</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>JACKSON BARRACKS -- When members of the Louisiana National Guard left for Iraq in October, they took a lot equipment with them. Dozens of high water vehicles, humvees, refuelers and generators are now abroad, and in the event of a major natural disaster that, could be a problem.<br><br>"The National Guard needs that equipment back home to support the homeland security mission," said Lt. Colonel Pete Schneider with the LA National Guard.<br><br>Col. Schneider says the state has enough equipment to get by, and if Louisiana were to get hit by a major hurricane, the neighboring states of Mississippi, Alabama and Florida have all agreed to help.<br><br>"As Governor Bush did for Ivan, after they were hit so many times, he just maxed all of his resources out, he reached out to Louisiana and we sent 200 national guardsmen to help support in recovery efforts," Col. Schneider said......<br><br>vickitulsa (289 posts) <br>Mon Aug-29-05 02:29 PM<br>Response to Reply #2<br><br>15. The interesting part about the LA gov's plan to get help from<br><br><br>neighboring states is that those states are ALSO going to be maxed out by the effects of Katrina on THEM....<br><br>So how can you turn for major help and relief to others who are dealing with their own catastrophic problems?<br><br>This is typical of how BushCo have depleted our resources in dozens of ways, leaving us so very vulnerable when bad things happen here at home. I think this Katrina disaster will point up so many things that have been handled *wrongly* and in large part due to the war in Iraq that has drained so much from our "homeland" (I'm still not liking the way he uses that word, sounds too much like "fatherland" a la Hitler).<br><br>This prez and his cohorts in crime are wrong-headed, and everything they DO therefore is ill-advised and mistaken, at the very least. At worst, it's criminal as hell. <br><br>Many of the consequences of his draining resources at home to send them to Iraq could have been predicted. In fact, I have been predicting exactly what's happening now for a long time. My friends and family know this. I hope it's clear that if *I* could see all this coming, surely those "brilliant minds" guiding the Bush Ship of State could have guessed that they were going to face a come-uppance of a major kind someday.<br><br>--Which makes me wonder, what was the point? Why would they be happy to get away with doing wicked things for their own benefit FOR A TIME when they know it's all gonna crash down on them someday soon?<br><br>Only thing I can figure is that they are making billions meanwhile, and they don't plan to be around for the "facing the music" part....<br><br>Sadly, so many millions of people here at home are going to be paying a very high price for trusting those in power in Washington. Somehow it's cold comfort to me that this catastrophic "act of God" event called Katrina may well prove how irresponsible, just plain wrong, and even illegal and therefore criminal were the actions and policies of Bush and his evil cabal. <br><br>I notice also that we haven't heard a single word from Condi Rice or the new Homeland Security head who replaced Tom Ridge -- or anyone else in the administration who should be at least making some reassuring and comforting statements during this unprecedented natural disaster. Only the FEMA people are speaking for Bush and crew right now, while what we're hearing from the governors of affected states and mayors of involved cities is becoming very interesting as well as worrisome.<br><br>We won't know for days just how bad the damage and loss from Katrina will be. I fear that a week from now we'll be talking about a cataclysmic event that is huge in its scope and historical in its consequences.<br><br>Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) <br>Mon Aug-29-05 09:20 AM<br>Response to Original message<br><br>5. Can you add this?<br><br><br>Edited on Mon Aug-29-05 09:26 AM by Horse with no Name<br><br>These people knew what would happen--they just didn't have the funding to take care of business. They knew there wasn't a safe place for the people left behind.<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.pbs.org/now/transcript/transcript_neworleans.html">www.pbs.org/now/transcript/transcript_neworleans.html</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>atommom (1000+ posts) <br>Tue Aug-30-05 02:18 AM<br>Response to Reply #16<br><br>17. I did find this, about an exercise they conducted in 2004.<br><br><br>I'll be curious to see whether anyone reports on how much their planning helped (or didn't help) during this disaster.<br><br>From July 16–23, 2004, over 300 participants from Federal, State, local, and volunteer agencies participated in the Louisiana<br>Catastrophic Hurricane Planning Workshop at the Louisiana Office of Homeland Security and Emergency Preparedness<br>(LOHSEP) in Baton Rouge. The purpose of the workshop was to develop functional plans for response to and recovery from a<br>catastrophic hurricane striking southeast Louisiana, including the City of New Orleans.<br>Driven by a predetermined scenario, entitled Hurricane Pam,<br>the participants developed 15 functional plans over the course of<br>the week, including: pre-landfall activities; unwatering of levee-<br>enclosed areas; hazardous materials; billeting of response<br>personnel; distribution of power, water, and ice; transport from<br>water to shelter; volunteer and donations management; external<br>affairs; access control and re-entry; debris; schools; search<br>and rescue; sheltering; temporary housing; and temporary<br>medical care.<br>The scenario involved a slow-moving Category 3 storm<br>making landfall near Grand Isle in the early morning. In the<br>scenario, the storm, sustaining winds of 120 mph at landfall,<br>spawned tornados, destroyed over 75% of the structures in its<br>path, and left the majority of New Orleans under 15–20 feet of<br>water. The workshop was sponsored by FEMA and LOHSEP,<br>with a weather scenario designed by the National Weather<br>Service and damage and consequences developed by IEM, Inc.<br>of Baton Rouge. IEM, Inc. also facilitated the workshop<br>sessions.<br>From November 29–December 3, over 90 participants met in<br>New Orleans to continue planning for three topics: sheltering,<br>temporary housing, and temporary medical care. These three<br>topics were chosen by the workshop’s Unified Command as<br>areas that needed continued group planning.<br>The outcome of these workshops is a series of functional<br>plans that may be implemented immediately. Along with these<br>plans, resource shortfalls were identified early, saving valuable<br>time in the event an actual response is warranted. It is because<br>of the dedication of every workshop participant that Louisiana is<br>much better prepared for a catastrophic hurricane.<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.lepa.org/Newsletter/Spring_2005.pdf">www.lepa.org/Newsletter/Spring_2005.pdf</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>rodeodance (1000+ posts) <br>Tue Aug-30-05 09:50 PM<br>Response to Reply #22<br><br>24. this was AUG 1 that the LA guard wanted their equipment back!1<br><br><br><br><br>LA National Guard Wants Equipment to Come Back From Iraq<br><br>Yunji de Nies<br><br>August 1, 2005, 9:07 PM CDT<br><br>JACKSON BARRACKS -- When members of the Louisiana National Guard left for Iraq in October, they took a lot equipment with them. Dozens of high water vehicles, humvees, refuelers and generators are now abroad, and in the event of a major natural disaster that, could be a problem.<br><br>"The National Guard needs that equipment back home to support the homeland security mission," said Lt. Colonel Pete Schneider with the LA National Guard.<br><br>Col. Schneider says the state has enough equipment to get by, and if Louisiana were to get hit by a major hurricane, the neighboring states of Mississippi, Alabama and Florida have all agreed to help.<br><br>"As Governor Bush did for Ivan, after they were hit so many times, he just maxed all of his resources out, he reached out to Louisiana and we sent 200 national guardsmen to help support in recovery efforts," Col. Schneider said.......<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Hold Bush accountable for the flooding of New Orleans!<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2045974">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2045974</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>Forward this to every news source and ask "WHY?" And "WHY" isn't anybody holding his feet to the fire over this????????Post this EVERYWHERE!<br>Among emergency specialists, "mitigation" – the measures taken in advance to minimize the damage caused by natural disasters – is a crucial part of the strategy to save lives and cut recovery costs. But since 2001, key federal disaster mitigation programs, developed over many years, have been slashed and tossed aside. FEMA's Project Impact, a model mitigation program created by the Clinton administration, has been canceled outright. Federal funding of post-disaster mitigation efforts designed to protect people and property from the next disaster has been cut in half, and now communities across the country must compete for pre-disaster mitigation dollars.<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.sfbg.com/38/52/news_fema.html">www.sfbg.com/38/52/news_fema.html</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>It appears that the money has been moved in the president's budget to handle homeland security and the war in Iraq, and I suppose that's the price we pay. Nobody locally is happy that the levees can't be finished, and we are doing everything we can to make the case that this is a security issue for us.<br><br>-- Walter Maestri, emergency management chief for Jefferson Parish, Louisiana; New Orleans Times- Picayune, June 8, 2004<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>New Orleans district, U.S. Army Corps of Engineers Cut by Bush<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2042880&mesg_id=2042880">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2042880&mesg_id=2042880</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br>Link: <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4200/is_20050606/ai_n14657367">www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4200/is_20050606/ai_n14657367</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>In fiscal year 2006, the New Orleans district of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers is bracing for a record $71.2 million reduction in federal funding.<br><br>It would be the largest single-year funding loss ever for the New Orleans district, Corps officials said.<br><br>I've been here over 30 years and I've never seen this level of reduction, said Al Naomi, project manager for the New Orleans district. I think part of the problem is it's not so much the reduction, it's the drastic reduction in one fiscal year. It's the immediacy of the reduction that I think is the hardest thing to adapt to.<br><br>There is an economic ripple effect, too. The cuts mean major hurricane and flood protection projects will not be awarded to local engineering firms. Also, a study to determine ways to protect the region from a Category 5 hurricane has been shelved for now.<br><br>New Orleans CityBusiness, Jun 6, 2005, by Deon Roberts<br><br>obertarctor (610 posts) <br>Mon Aug-29-05 04:45 AM<br>Response to Original message<br><br>10. This is the Smoking Gun that will bring BushCo down.<br><br>And it's a trifecta:<br><br>1) Army Corps of Engineers budget slashed dramatically.<br><br>2) FEMA budget drained to reward wealthy taxpayers.<br><br>3) Louisiana National Guard in Iraq, where they can't help.<br><br>I think he's fucked, personally.<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I don't get it. All these years and NO FUCKING PLANS????<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4514528">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4514528</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>Redstone (1000+ posts) <br>Tue Aug-30-05 09:54 PM<br>Original message<br><br>I don't get it. All these years and NO FUCKING PLANS????<br><br><br>Nobody, not one person at the city, state, or Federal level said even once "Hey, those levees might break, from a hurricane, you know. Shouldn't we, maybe, have a plan to deal with it? If we plan now maybe we won't have to scratch our asses and try to come up with some ideas after the city is under water?"<br><br>And nobody figured they might have to get the prisoners out of the jails if the fucking levee broke? And that a lot of people in that city don't own cars so there should have been another way for them to get the fuck out beforehand?<br><br>I can't stand it. The plans should have been made years ago, and now they'd just have to put them in motion, instead of standing around saying "Omigod, what do we do now?"<br><br>Nice going yet again, FEMA. Wonderful way of putting our tax dollars to work.<br><br>demo dutch (1000+ posts) <br>Tue Aug-30-05 09:56 PM<br>Response to Original message<br><br>6. They got all their funding cut by our Prez, including FEMA that's why!<br><br><br>Goverment cut Hurricane Protection funding to NOLA including a study to determine ways to protect the area from Cat 5 hurricanes.<br><br>In fiscal year 2006, the New Orleans district of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers is bracing for a record $71.2 million reduction in federal funding. It would be the largest single-year funding loss ever for the New Orleans district, Corps officials said. I've been here over 30 years and I've never seen this level of reduction, said Al Naomi, project manager for the New Orleans district... The cuts mean major hurricane and flood protection projects will not be awarded to local engineering firms. Also, a study to determine ways to protect the region from a Category 5 hurricane has been shelved for now.<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4200/is_20050606/ai_n14657367">www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4200/is_20050606/ai_n14657367</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>expatriate (559 posts) <br>Tue Aug-30-05 09:58 PM<br>Response to Original message<br><br>11. Lots of people have said this for years.<br><br><br>Longtime residents of Louisiana are well aware of what will happen should a levee breach. If a levee breached on the river during a flood time, the loss of life would be incredible - not just in New Orleans, but in many places along the river.<br><br>Unfortunately, there has also been a longtime attitude of fatalism, and a lot of corruption that has winnowed money away from disaster preparedness. The pumps in New Orleans are - well, they're ancient.<br><br>There has always been a "today we live" attitude in that area. It has always been frustrating to cope with.<br><br>The federal government has diverted a lot of the money that was originally intended for disaster preparedness and relief in Southern Louisiana.<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>the "Comfort" hospital ship will leave port NEXT Sunday!! it has not<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2054226">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2054226</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>rodeodance (1000+ posts) <br>Fri Sep-02-05 02:13 PM<br>Original message<br><br>the "Comfort" hospital ship will leave port NEXT Sunday!! it has not even left port yet-per msnbc just now.<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Why was the following message from Slit Skirt removed?<br>Who is jamming communications in New Orleans? Ham radio operators are reporting that communications in and around New Orleans are being jammed.<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/">www.waynemadsenreport.com/</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>"Red Cross NEVER allowed into New Orleans."<br><br>LIARS! LIARS! LIARS! (very good discussion)<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4598643">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4598643</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>IndyOp (1000+ posts) <br>Sat Sep-03-05 04:01 AM<br>Original message<br><br>LIARS! LIARS! LIARS!<br><br><br>Edited on Sat Sep-03-05 04:07 AM by IndyOp<br><br>FEMA LIE: The lawlessness of the disaster area, New Orleans proper, is so bad that the American Red Cross has setup their Emergency Food and Shelters in Texas.<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=2052957">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=2052957</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>TRUTH (from the Red Cross): The state Homeland Security Department had requested--and continues to request--that the American Red Cross not come back into New Orleans following the hurricane. Our presence would keep people from evacuating and encourage others to come into the city.<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4596753">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4596753</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br>====================<br>FEMA LIE: (A FEMA worker) also said something that was very disturbing, She has worked at many of the disasters that we have faced, Oklahoma City, floods and other weather issues, 9/11 and so on. She said this, “Every disaster that I have ever been apart of the people are at their wits end, but they band together and help each other out, it is not happening in New Orleans right now.”<br><br>TRUTH FROM EYEWITNESSES:<br><br>Early in the day, we witnessed a black man in a boat with no motor paddling with a piece of lumber. He rescued people in the boat and paddled them to safety (a mile and a half). He then, amidst all of the boats with motors, turned around and paddled back out across the mile and a half stretch to do his part in getting more people out. He refused to give up or occupy any of the motored boat resources because he did not want to slow us down in our efforts.<br><br>...in a really rough neighborhood and we came across five seemingly unsavory characters. One had scars from what seemed to be gunshot wounds.... These guys stayed outside in the center all day, getting everyone out of the rec center onto boats. We approached them at approximately 6:30 p.m., obviously one of the last trips of the day, and they sent us further into the neighborhood to get more people out of homes and off rooftops instead of getting on themselves. This at the risk of their not getting out and having to stay in the water for an undetermined...amount of time. These five guys were on the last boat out of the neighborhood at sundown. They were incredibly grateful, mentioned numerous times 'God is going to bless y'all for this'.<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4591778#4593121">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4591778#4593121</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>====================<br>FEMA TRUTH: (A FEMA employee) also told me that FEMA is in chaos. I am not sure what is going on, but for the love of god it is pure hell in their, pure hell.<br><br>WHOSE FAULT!!!<br><br>snot (949 posts) <br>Sat Sep-03-05 07:14 AM<br>Response to Original message<br><br>8. Re- Lie #2:<br><br><br>Also belied by testimony of the cameraman who spoke on K. Olbermann's Countdown last nite (Thur., 9/1)-- he said despite gruesome conditions at convention center, folks were there bec. they'd been following instructions, and that they remained more peaceful and helpful than others he'd seen in less trying conditions in his many years in his job.<br><br>Also see:<br><br>Planes Did NOT Report Being Shot At<br>http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=1087205<br><br>Laura Brown, a Federal Aviation Administration spokeswoman in<br>Washington, said she had no such report.<br><br>"We're controlling every single aircraft in that airspace and none of<br>them reported being fired on," she said, adding that the FAA was in<br>contact with the military as well as civilian aircraft.<br><br>jus_the_facts (1000+ posts) <br>Sat Sep-03-05 11:27 AM<br>Response to Original message<br><br>10. Homeland Security workin' HARD to *HELP*....here's the reality....<br><br>HamdenRice (1000+ posts) <br>Sat Sep-03-05 01:54 PM<br>Response to Original message<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2005/09/02/PH2005090200609.jpg"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br>12. This is heartless bullshit<br><br>TRUTH (from the Red Cross): The state Homeland Security Department had requested--and continues to request--that the American Red Cross not come back into New Orleans following the hurricane. Our presence would keep people from evacuating and encourage others to come into the city<br><br>Yeah, they mustn't provide aid or sick, hungry dehydrated people will flock to the aid stations.<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I just watched ABC's 20/20 report on Katrina's impact on<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4597759">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4597759</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>whistle (1000+ posts) <br>Sat Sep-03-05 03:18 AM<br>Original message<br><br>I just watched ABC's 20/20 report on Katrina's impact on ......<br><br><br>....the population of New Orleans. It was the first such news report I've had a chance to see on the situation there. The report suggested that no one at the federal level gave any orders to the military, the national guard, the local police and federal disaster agencies to do anything for five days. The military convoys of food and water and fresh clothing and medical supplies only began arriving today, although according to the report such supplies could have been lifted in by the Louisiana national Guard (2/3 still in the state) within 24 hours after Katrina left the city, but no one gave any orders to do so.<br><br>Clips from the Tom Kopple interview with the FEMA director were shown with this guy looking straight into the camera saying FEMA did not know what the need was until that day of the interview.<br><br>Hospitals and medical care facilities all sent out urgent calls, emails, faxes for supplies, dialysis machine water, air lifts to critical patients, etc. but there were no responses until yesterday in many instances.<br><br>Private for profit hospitals evacuated their patients who could pay, but dropped off all social cases at the cities two state run hospitals causing severe over-crowding in these facilities which had no running water, no electricity and whose generators were all flooded out.<br><br>Race and extreme poverty were the only apparent reasons for this negligence, concluded ABC, based on the obvious racial mix of who had been horded together and enclosed in such horrific and unsanitary conditions at the Super-dome and the convention center and a number of prominent blacks and congress persons came out and said this is interviews by ABC reporters.<br><br>The one hour covered many more topics, but those were ones which I have suspected all week and what jumped out at me from the program broadcast. The focus was on New Orleans, but unless I missed it, there was no mention as to whether supplies and help arrived at the other affected areas along the Gulf in Mississippi or Alabama within 24 hours, or that the delays were for New Orleans only. If the latter, then I would have to conclude that the New Orleans victims were deliberately and criminally discriminated against by all federal agencies who should have been there for them. That neglect can be traced all the way to the president who choose to dally at his ranch in Crawford and do PR photo ops until he flew over the stricken area in Air Force One late on Wednesday following which he gave orders for to supplies and assistance which began arriving only today. This is truly a national disgrace!<br><br>whistle (1000+ posts) <br>Sat Sep-03-05 03:40 AM<br>Response to Reply #1<br><br>3. I picked up a couple of spots where that may have been the....<br><br><br>...case, but overall they showed it pretty much the way it has been over the past five days and nights. One clip in the state hospital or at a makeshift emergency room for patients in dire need, the revealed that with no water, electricity and NO MEDICATIONS, they had little choice but to keep the patients comfortable. One young lady who was diabetic was complaining about symptoms then went right into a diabetic seizure on camera. Frantic the doctor asked if anyone had any insulin and out of nowhere a syringe with insulin appeared, was injected and the girl eventually came around. The doctor then admitted in the interview than many other similar patients for lack of medications were not so lucky and had died. Hearing that I began to weep.<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>GettysbergII (630 posts) <br>Sat Sep-03-05 05:59 AM<br>Response to Original message<br><br>103. July 2005 article reveals New Orleans told poor: 'You're on your own'<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://rawstory.com/admin/dbscripts/printstory.php?story=285">rawstory.com/admin/dbscripts/printstory.php?story=285</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>A July 24, 2005 article in the New Orleans Times Picayune (not available online) reveals just how unprepared officials were for a hurricane, especially as it affected the city's poor, RAW STORY has learned. The first sentence alone reveals how little support the city expected to have for the poor in the event of a disaster, saying, "City, state and federal emergency officials are preparing to give the poorest of New Orleans' poor a historically blunt message: In the event of a major hurricane, you're on your own."<br><br>The article was first discovered in a detailed piece by the Philadelphia Daily News' Will Bunch.<br><br>The local Red Cross executive director was quoted as saying, "You're responsible for your safety, and you should be responsible for the person next to you. If you have some room to get that person out of town, the Red Cross will have a space for that person outside the area. We can help you. But we don't have the transportation."<br><br>Selected excerpts from July Picayune article by Bruce Nolan appear below.<br>#<br><br>In scripted appearances being recorded now, officials such as Mayor Ray Nagin, local Red Cross Executive Director Kay Wilkins and City Council President Oliver Thomas drive home the word that the city does not have the resources to move out of harm's way an estimated 134,000 people without transportation...<br><br>Officials are recording the evacuation message even as recent research by the University of New Orleans indicated that as many as 60 percent of the residents of most southeast Louisiana parishes would remain in their homes in the event of a Category 3 hurricane.<br><br>Their message will be distributed on hundreds of DVDs across the city. The DVDs' basic get-out-of-town message applies to all audiences, but the it is especially targeted to scores of churches and other groups heavily concentrated in Central City and other vulnerable, low-income neighborhoods, said the Rev. Marshall Truehill, head of Total Community Action.<br><br>"The primary message is that each person is primarily responsible for themselves, for their own family and friends," Truehill said.<br><br>Production likely will continue through August. Officials want to get the DVDs into the hands of pastors and community leaders as hurricane season reaches its height in September, Katz said.<br><br>In an interview at the opening of this year's hurricane season, New Orleans Emergency Preparedness Director Joseph Matthews acknowledged that the city is overmatched.<br><br>"It's important to emphasize that we just don't have the resources to take everybody out," he said in a interview in late May.<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>beetbox (326 posts) <br>Sat Sep-03-05 06:03 AM<br>Response to Original message<br><br>105. If the Press can drive in to report why can't Those Stranded be picked up?<br><br><br>A knot of police officers, mostly white, watched the throng warily from a small side road, armed with rifles and pump-action shotguns. More police watched from the Greater New Orleans Bridge high above.<br><br>They were the only sign that the official world was aware of the plight of the crowd below - and that was as close as they got. The previous day, some military rations and water had been dropped by relief workers from the bridge on to the car park. It was as if being poor and black was a contagious disease.<br><br>If so, it was becoming a self-fulfilling dread. Inside the building, the toilets had become blocked after the first day, and by yesterday the air wafting from them was so noxious it felt like a blow to the face.<br><br><><br><br>Walking from her informal checkpoint to the crowd across the road was like crossing a boundary between the first and third world. On the other side, many people were clearly too ill to walk and several seemed close to starving.<br><br>Inside the centre, no one could understand why they were being treated in this way. "If you can drive in like that, how come they can't come and get us?" Henry Carr, a 38-year-old furniture salesman, said.<br><br><><br><br>William Schaefer, one of the few white men in the crowd, looked on in disgust. "We're dying one, two a day here. Why don't they come for us?"<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/katrina/story/0,16441,1561996,00.html">www.guardian.co.uk/katrina/story/0,16441,1561996,00.html</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Why does the New Orleans nonresponse remind me of 9/11 ?<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4594553">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4594553</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>Bucky (1000+ posts) <br>Sat Sep-03-05 01:15 AM<br>Original message<br><br>Why does the New Orleans nonresponse remind me of 9/11 ?<br><br><br>I was mulling this thought before I read Clark's sign off from his week long guest slot on TPM Cafe. Clark helped me crystalize my thoughts a bit. It's a familiar pattern. A crisis boils and the president diddles, looks vacuous and handsome in a way that some people find "reassuring" (tho the impression escapes me). Experts warn about dire circumstances, old reports (Richard Clarke's memos, the July PDBs on bin Laden, the Weather Channel's ongoing forecast, the Hart-Rudman Report, the Pentagon estimates of how occupation will run).<br><br>But the MBA president ignores them all, either plays his gut instincts (as with Iraq) or plays golf (as with New Orleans and 9/11). These people can't plan--they're aggressively anti-intellectual and proud of it. Like monkeys they put on business suits and think they can type Shakespeare. But the typewriter only spits out a recipe for disaster.<br><br>Just add water.<br><br>Or just add oil. Simmer. Bake. The president doesn't care because, in part, he doesn't know how to care. He doesn't know how to heed warnings. He likes the power and can't see beyond it. Don't bother him with the details. When cold reality slaps him in his face, he's so numb he can hardly feel the pain of it. He'll need another pep talk from Cheney. He'll need some help relaxing and composing himself. I shudder to think what some of that help might be.<br><br>But I know full well what the cost to this country is, however, of having such vacuous, rudderless man in the White House. I don't blame the universe on George Bush. September 11th would probably have happened under a Gore presidency. The difference is that under Gore, bin Laden would be in jail by now and 1800 Americans, and tens of thousands of Iraqis, would be alive today. Katrina would have hit New Orleans under a Kerry administation. But the response--and therefor the bodycount there too--would have been far different, incalculably less.<br><br>The point is that the scope of this president's errors can be measured in the tallies of the dead.<br><br>From Wesley Clark's guest blogging on TPM Cafe:<br><br>Again, just this past week, there was at least 36 hours notice that a major hurricane was going to hit the Gulf Coast, including likely a devastating blow to New Orleans, which certainly came to pass. The President continued with his regular schedule on Monday and Tuesday in California, Arizona, and Texas to hold some staged Medicare events and enjoy more vacation time, while finally returning to the White House yesterday. The joint task force including National Guard set up by the Pentagon failed to be on the scene in New Orleans in a timely manner to stop the looting and assist in the evacuation. Where is the leadership?<br><br>Then just this morning, the President claimed that no one could have anticipated the levee breaches we've seen in New Orleans after Katrina hit. That's not leadership, that's an excuse. In fact, people have predicted this kind of disaster for many years, including President Bush's own FEMA in 2001, when they ranked hurricane flood damage to New Orleans among the three likeliest, most catastrophic disasters facing America. Instead, funding was significantly cut back, leaving key engineering projects on hold. Instead, this Administration focused on the war in Iraq, tax cuts, and private sector economic growth without asking the American people to make needed sacrifices for the good of the country. Again I ask you, where is the leadership?<br><br>I was born in New Orleans. This has been a truly horrible week for me. I pray we learn to fight this incompentant, corrupt administration and start to rebuild what has been five years now in the destroying.<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>New Orleans SURVIVED Katrina. The City was KILLED by REPUBLICANS!!!<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2056728&mesg_id=2056728">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2056728&mesg_id=2056728</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>bvar22 (1000+ posts) <br>Sat Sep-03-05 01:41 AM<br>Original message<br><br>New Orleans SURVIVED Katrina. The City was KILLED by REPUBLICANS!!!<br><br><br>New Orleans survived the Category 4.5 hurricane quite well.<br>New Orleans did NOT survive the Republican Party!<br>The inherent Bigotry, Classism and Greed of Compassionate Conservatism KILLED New Orleans!<br><br>Katrina's 145 MPH winds caused some wind damage, the most obvious to the plastic roof coating of the Superdome. Some windows were blown out. Some houses lost shingles. Some trees were uprooted and signs blown down. There was very little structural damage to New Orleans from the winds of Katrina. It is possible that there would have been NO DEATHS in New Orleans from wind damage alone. (It is a little early to state that with absolute certainty, but so far, there has been very little structural wind damage visible in ANY of the pictures. The ROOF Structure of the Superdome is intact.<br><br>Katrina's 8-12" of tropical rain was within the capacity of the City's 100 year old pumps and canal system. There was some local flooding of low areas which is common during heavy rains, and was not dangerous. This was verified by the reports from New Orleans immediately after Katrina passed. ALL reports from within New Orleans verified that most of the city WAS NOT FLOODED, and the water level in the flooded areas WAS DROPPING!<br><br>There was a serious problem in New Orleans EAST where a levee (scheduled for strengthening but DEFUNDED by Republicans) was breeched and water poured into an area causing people to take refuge in their attics. This was equivalent to the flooding of the SAME area in Hurricane Betsy in 1965. This was serious, but NOT a Death Blow. This local area could have been dealt with immediately after the storm subsided. Rescues would have been staged from the New Orleans side immediately after the storm subsided. Property damage was HIGH for this local area, but few if any deaths would have occurred by this flooding alone. It WAS manageable!<br><br>The DEATH BLOW to New Orleans did NOT happen until many hours after Hurricane Katrina had done her worst, and had left the area. The Death Blow to New Orleans was caused by the failure of portion of the 17th St Levee (actually a steel coffer dam wall, not a traditional earth levee) that was INSIDE the Perimeter Levee Protection System that surrounds New Orleans. The Permanent Earth Levee System surrounding New Orleans successfully held the full fury of Katrina!<br><br>The portion of the internal levee system on 17thSt that failed was scheduled for upgrading, but WAS DEFUNDED BY THE REPUBLICAN PARTY who believe that a handful of the VERY RICH Republican donors deserve MILLIONS of Dollars, and the millions of common working folk and POOR in New Orleans deserve nothing!<br><br>Hurricane Katrina DID NOT KILL New Orleans.<br>REPUBLICAN GREED, CLASSISM, and BIGOTRY KILLED New Orleans!!!<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I'm watching a New Orleans station's news....<br>the mayor of Slidell, he's ripping FEMA up and down...<br>..saying they're refusing to let in supplies and generators<br>(and more info)<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4600033">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4600033</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>Baclava (1000+ posts) <br>Sat Sep-03-05 05:25 AM<br>Original message<br><br>I'm watching a New Orleans station's news....<br><br><br>WWL Channel 4...<br><br>They're now in Baton Rouge, but still have reporters doing 24hr coverage...it's a sister station to one of my local channels out of Mobile that has given them air time....<br><br>They have a piece on the mayor of Slidell, he's ripping FEMA up and down...<br><br>...saying they're refusing to let in supplies and generators and threatening to seize contractors equipment because of their "stupid, ignorant, regulations"...<br><br>"If they do that, they better bring weapons because I'll be godammed if I'm gonna give anything up to a bunch of Feds"<br><br>"I'm really pissed off and they better start doing things that make sense and quit all this horseshit that doesn't mean a dammed thing to anybody except some bureaucrat in Washington"<br><br><br>Cool dude.<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>THEY KNEW EVERYTHING!!! They are GUILTY!!!<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2056994#2057021">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2056994#2057021</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br>Link: <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://hurricane.lsu.edu/_in_the_news/tmemag0404.htm">hurricane.lsu.edu/_in_the_news/tmemag0404.htm</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>autorank (1000+ posts) <br>Sat Sep-03-05 02:56 AM<br>Original message<br><br>THEY KNEW EVERYTHING!!! They are GUILTY!!!<br><br><br>Edited on Sat Sep-03-05 03:44 AM by autorank<br><br>http://hurricane.lsu.edu/_in_the_news/tmemag0404.htm<br><br>******************IMPEACHMENT NOW*******************<br><br>Transportation Management + Engineering magazine (TME<br>April 2004<br><br>One of the more critical, though commonly overlooked, aspects of transportation planning and management is evacuation<br><br><snip><br><br>Though they may be infrequent, the risk of not preparing for evacuations can be devastating. Evacuations have the potential to directly improve the safety of more people than any other single transportation scenario. In New Orleans, where the local topography virtually assures the inundation of the entire metropolitan area in most medium to strong hurricanes, a full evacuation of the area is a necessity and the price of not doing so could be measured in thousands of lives.<br><br><snip><br><br>In reality, however, there are relatively inexpensive and simple methods that transportation agencies can and are using to improve the efficiency and effectiveness of evacuations.<br><br><snip><br><br>Most emergency management officials agree that there is not enough roadway capacity or mass transit assets to completely evacuate major metropolitan population centers, like New Orleans or Miami, in two or three days<br><br><snip><br><br>The number of people without access to transportation in New Orleans has been estimated as high as 25-30% of the population and includes over a quarter million people. In addition to people without vehicles, potential evacuees can include the indigent, elderly, prisoners, the infirm and tourists. Evacuation of these low-mobility and special needs groups is an area that, while included in most state emergency operation plans, has been largely unaddressed by DOTs.<br><br><snip><br><br>However, many heavily populated cities do not have a sufficient supply of buses to move all low-mobility evacuees. The total number of buses in all of New Orleans would provide only a fraction of the capacity needed to transport all of these people. To counter this problem, Louisiana emergency management officials are working through local churches to encourage “good neighbor” strategies in which neighbors with means of transportation would assist those without during an evacuation.<br><br>Source: TM+E April 2004 Vol: 9 Num: 2<br>Copyright © 2004 Scranton Gillette Communications<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><br>"JP's (Jefferson Parish) Maestri said FEMA didn't keep its word"<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4599706">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4599706</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br>Link: <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.nola.com/newslogs/breakingtp/index.ssf?/mtlogs/nola_Times-Picayune/archives/2005_09.html#076438">www.nola.com/newslogs/breakingtp/index.ssf?/mtlogs/nola_Times-Picayune/archives/2005_09.html#076438</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) <br>Sat Sep-03-05 05:02 AM<br>Original message<br><br>"JP's (Jefferson Parish) Maestri said FEMA didn't keep its word"<br><br><br>Friday, September 02, 2005<br><br>JP's Maestri said FEMA didn't keep its word<br>Mark Schleifstein<br>Staff writer<br><br>Jefferson Parish Emergency Preparedness Director Walter Maestri said Friday night that the Federal Emergency Management Agency reneged on a promise to begin relieving county emergency preparedness staffers 48 hours after Hurricane Katrina hit the New Orleans metropolitan area.<br><br>Maestri’s staff has been working almost around the clock since Katrina approached the Louisiana coastline on Sunday. Today, the staff is expected to finally switch to a 12 hours on/12 hours off schedule, he said, adding that they’re both tired and demoralized by the lack of assistance from federal officials.<br><br>“We had been told we would be on our own for 48 hours,” Maestri said. “Prepare to survive and in 48 hours the cavalry would arrive.<br><br>“Well, where are they?” he said. Maestri said the agreement was signed by officials with the Southeastern Louisiana Emergency Preparedness Officials Association, the state and the Federal Emergency Management Agency as part of this year’s Hurricane Pam tabletop exercise. That exercise began the process of writing a series of manuals explaining how to respond to a catastrophic disaster. Financed by FEMA, it included a variety of federal, state and local officials.<br><br>More:<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>the "Comfort" hospital ship will leave port NEXT Sunday!! it has not<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2054226">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2054226</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>rodeodance (1000+ posts) <br>Fri Sep-02-05 02:13 PM<br>Original message<br><br>the "Comfort" hospital ship will leave port NEXT Sunday!! it has not even left port yet-per msnbc just now.<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Usrename (351 posts) <br>Sat Sep-03-05 06:51 AM<br>Response to Original message<br><br>109. Mayor Daily shocked at being snubbed<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-050902daley,0,6429273.story?coll=chi-news-hed">www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-050902daley,0,6429273.story?coll=chi-news-hed</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>GettysbergII (631 posts) <br>Sat Sep-03-05 02:53 AM<br>Original message<br><br>FEMA, a brief review of its powers<br><br><br>http://www.911review.org/Wiki/FemaTheSecretGovernment.s...<br>or<br>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FEMA<br><br>Here are just a few Executive Orders associated with FEMA that would suspend the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. These Executive Orders have been on record for nearly 30 years and could be enacted by the stroke of a Presidential pen:<br><br>EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.<br><br>EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media.<br><br>EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals.<br><br>EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.<br><br>EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.<br><br>EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions.<br><br>EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons.<br><br>EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.<br><br>EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.<br><br>EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities.<br><br>EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.<br><br>EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310 grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.<br><br>EXECUTIVE ORDER 11049 assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen year period.<br><br>EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921 allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. financial institution in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months.<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>GettysbergII (630 posts) <br>Sat Sep-03-05 08:17 AM<br>Response to Original message<br><br>110. Slow response bewilders former FEMA officials<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.macon.com/mld/macon/news/politics/12549282.htm">www.macon.com/mld/macon/news/politics/12549282.htm</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>Slow response bewilders former FEMA officials<br><br>BY FRANK JAMES AND ANDREW MARTIN<br>Chicago Tribune<br><br>WASHINGTON - (KRT) - Government disaster officials had an action plan if a major hurricane hit New Orleans. They simply didn't execute it when Hurricane Katrina struck.<br><br>Thirteen months before Katrina hit New Orleans, local, state and federal officials held a simulated hurricane drill that Ronald Castleman, then the regional director for the Federal Emergency Management Agency, called "a very good exercise."<br><br>More than a million residents were "evacuated" in the tabletop scenario as 120-mile-an-hour winds and 20 inches of rain caused widespread flooding that supposedly trapped 300,000 people in the city.<br><br>"It was very much an eye-opener," said Castleman, a Republican appointee of President Bush who left FEMA in December for the private sector. "A number of things were identified that we had to deal with, not all of them were solved."<br><br>Still, Castleman found it hard to square the lessons he and others learned from the exercise with the frustratingly slow response to the disaster that has unfolded in the wake of Katrina. From the Louisiana Superdome in New Orleans to the Mississippi and Alabama communities along the Gulf Coast, hurricane survivors have decried the lack of water, food or security and the slowness of the federal relief efforts.<br><br>"It's hard for everyone to understand why buttons weren't pushed earlier on," Castleman said of the federal response.<br><br>As the first National Guard truck caravans of water and food arrived in New Orleans Friday, former FEMA officials and other disaster experts were at a loss to explain why the federal government's lead agency for responding to major emergencies had failed to meet the urgent needs of hundreds of thousands of Americans in the most dire of circumstances in a more timely fashion.<br><br>But many suspected that FEMA's apparent problems in getting life-sustaining supplies to survivors and buses to evacuate them from New Orleans, delays even President Bush called "not acceptable," stemmed partly from changes at the agency during the Bush years. Experts have long warned that the moves would weaken the agency's ability to effectively respond to natural disasters.<br><br>FEMA's chief has been demoted from a near-Cabinet-level position; political appointees with little, if any, emergency-management experience have been placed in senior FEMA positions; and the small, 2,500-person agency was dropped into the midst of the 180,000-employee Homeland Security Department that is more oriented to combating terrorism than natural disasters. All this has led to a brain drain as experienced but demoralized employees have left the agency, former and current FEMA staff members say.<br><br>The result is that an agency that got high marks during much of the 1990s for its effectiveness is being harshly criticized for apparently mismanaging the response to the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.<br><br>The growing anger and frustration at FEMA's response sparked the Republican-controlled Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee to announce Friday that it has scheduled a hearing for Wednesday to try to uncover what went wrong.<br><br>Meanwhile, Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-La.) called on President Bush to immediately appoint a Cabinet-level official to direct the national response.<br><br>"There was a time when FEMA understood that the correct approach to a crisis was to deploy to the affected area as many resources as possible as fast as possible," Landrieu said. "Unfortunately, that no longer seems to be their approach."<br><br>John Copenhaver, a former FEMA regional director during the Clinton administration who led the response to Hurricane Floyd in 1999, said he was bewildered by the slow FEMA response.<br><br>It had been standard practice for FEMA to position supplies ahead of time, and the agency did pre-position drinking water and tarps to cover damaged roofs near where they would be needed. In addition, FEMA has coordinated its plans with state and local officials and let the Defense Department know beforehand what type of military assistance would be needed.<br><br>"I'm a little confused as to why it took so long to get the military presence running convoys into downtown New Orleans," Copenhaver said.<br><br>And there isn't an experienced disaster-response expert at the top of the agency as there was when James Lee Witt ran the agency during the 1990s. Before Michael Brown, the current head, joined the agency as its legal counsel, he headed the International Arabian Horse Association.<br><br>That loss of experienced personnel might explain in part why FEMA wasn't able to secure buses sooner for the mass evacuation of New Orleans, a step anticipated by the hurricane disaster simulation conducted by federal, state and local emergency officials last year.<br><br>Peter Pantuso, president and chief executive of the American Bus Association, said, "I have a hard time believing there is any game plan in place when it comes to coordinating or pulling together this volume of business," referring to FEMA's effort to obtain hundreds of buses to move tens of thousands of evacuees from New Orleans. "And what happens in two or three weeks down the road when all of these people are moved again?"<br><br>When FEMA became part of the Homeland Security Department, it was stripped of some of its functions, such as some of its ability to make preparedness grants to states, former officials said. Those functions were placed elsewhere in the larger agency.<br><br>"After Sept. 11 they got so focused on terrorism they effectively marginalized the capability of FEMA ...," said George Haddow, a former FEMA official during the Clinton administration. "It's no surprise that they're not capable of managing the federal government's response to this kind of disaster."<br><br>Pleasant Mann, former head of the union for FEMA employees, who has been with the agency since 1988, said a change made by agency higher-ups last year added a bureaucratic layer that likely delayed FEMA's response to Katrina.<br><br>Before the change, a FEMA employee on site at a disaster could request that an experienced employee he knew had the right skills be dispatched to help him. But now that requested worker is first made to travel to a location hundreds of miles from the disaster site to be "processed," placed in a pool from which he is dispatched, sometimes to a place different from where he thought he was headed.<br><br>Pleasant said he knew of a case where a worker from Washington State was made to first travel to Orlando before he could go to Louisiana, losing at least a day. What's more, that worker was told he might be sent to Alabama, not Louisiana, after all.<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>me b zola (1000+ posts) <br>Sat Sep-03-05 09:06 AM<br>Response to Original message<br><br>113. OK. This has been bothering me for two days<br><br><br>I realize that this is a little off from your thread, so please bare with me. As time wore on and it began to look as though bush*inc had an agenda, this thought has been nagging me.<br><br>What if those levees had help in failing? I know it is more than possible that their failure was due to the stress of the storm surge. It just keeps nagging me that maybe when it looked like NO was going to be spared someone had a hand in dealing the death blow to the city?<br><br>Do we have a good time-line? From the time it was apparent that Katrina was a Cat 5 barreling toward LA, to the time the storm passed, to the time the levees gave way?<br><br>Also, does anyone remember the thread about "private security" (KBR) going into NO? That was another thing that perked my ears. I have not seen them on any video, nor heard their presence mentioned by the press there in NOLA. I read an article here on DU about it, and then I didn't hear any more.<br><br>I could be really wrong about the levees, but why was/is KBR there?!<br>I'm not talking about the clean-up contract given to Halliburton, this was "private security" going in now (the other day).<br><br>GettysbergII (630 posts) <br>Sat Sep-03-05 09:28 AM<br>Response to Original message<br><br>114. JP's Maestri said FEMA didn't keep its word<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.nola.com/newslogs/breakingtp/index.ssf?/mtlogs/nola_Times-Picayune/archives/2005_09.html#076438">www.nola.com/newslogs/breakingtp/index.ssf?/mtlogs/nola_Times-Picayune/archives/2005_09.html#076438</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>P's Maestri said FEMA didn't keep its word<br>Mark Schleifstein<br>Staff writer<br><br>Jefferson Parish Emergency Preparedness Director Walter Maestri said Friday night that the Federal Emergency Management Agency reneged on a promise to begin relieving county emergency preparedness staffers 48 hours after Hurricane Katrina hit the New Orleans metropolitan area.<br><br>Maestri’s staff has been working almost around the clock since Katrina approached the Louisiana coastline on Sunday. Today, the staff is<br>expected to finally switch to a 12 hours on/12 hours off schedule, he said,<br>adding that they’re both tired and demoralized by the lack of assistance from federal officials.<br><br>“We had been told we would be on our own for 48 hours,” Maestri said.<br>“Prepare to survive and in 48 hours the cavalry would arrive.<br><br>“Well, where are they?” he said.<br>Maestri said the agreement was signed by officials with the Southeastern Louisiana Emergency Preparedness Officials Association, the state and<br>the Federal Emergency Management Agency as part of this year’s Hurricane Pam tabletop exercise. That exercise began the process of writing a series of manuals explaining how to respond to a catastrophic disaster. Financed by FEMA, it included a variety of federal, state and local officials......<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Roland99 (1000+ posts) <br>Sat Sep-03-05 01:16 PM<br>Response to Original message<br><br>117. Kick<br><br><br>Someone in a news conference on WWL with, I think, Sen. Landrieu just said the FEMA response was "an abject failure".<br><br>"All of this is the sort of scenario we've all been talking about."<br><br>Emit (516 posts) <br>Sat Sep-03-05 01:19 PM<br>Response to Original message<br><br>118. If I may be so bold<br><br><br>I would like to add this link I posted earlier to yours?<br><br>A little bit of disconnect with reality based community and Bush/FEMA based reality:<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4602266">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4602266</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>Now, it's late and I'm pretty distraught because I have family down there, so maybe I'm reading too much into this, but, it doesn't seem from the reports I'm hearing that FEMA did all it said it did in regards to all of this preparation and assistance. It would be interesting to match some of the footage of the news coverage FEMA reports here to see where the truth lies. It seems, if they've done all of this, we wouldn't be seeing quite the disaster that we are as of this date. At a minimum, they don't seem to be setting up these things near where the news reporters are---can't they get there?<br><br>Of particular concern to me, in regards to posts asking about who's to blame, and the Hannity's and O'Reilly's gleefully putting the blame for the chaos on the Mayor and Governor, is that their press release from August 28, 2005 states "National Guard troops have been deployed to assist law enforcement in evacuations." And this part caught my attention, too, from August 29, 2005: “It is critical that fire and emergency departments across the country remain in their jurisdictions until such time as the affected states request assistance...State and local mutual aid agreements are in place as is the Emergency Management Assistance Compact and those mechanisms will be used to request and task resources needed in the affected areas.”<br>___________________________________________________________________<br>Here are numerous press releases FEMA has posted before, during and after Katrina, to date:<br><br><br>Emergency Aid Authorized For Hurricane Katrina Emergency Response In Louisiana<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=18447">www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=18447</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>Release Date: August 27, 2005<br><br>WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Michael D. Brown...today announced that Federal resources are being allocated to support emergency protective response efforts response efforts in the parishes located in the path of Hurricane Katrina.<br><br>Brown said President Bush authorized the aid under an emergency disaster declaration issued following a review of FEMA's analysis of the state's request for federal assistance. FEMA will mobilize equipment and resources necessary to protect public health and safety by assisting law enforcement with evacuations, establishing shelters, supporting emergency medical needs, meeting immediate lifesaving and life-sustaining human needs and protecting property, in addition to other emergency protective measures.<br><br><<snip>><br><br>FEMA prepares the nation for all hazards and manages federal response and recovery efforts following any national incident. FEMA also initiates mitigation activities, trains first responders, works with state and local emergency managers, and manages the National Flood Insurance Program and the U.S. Fire Administration. FEMA became part of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security on March 1, 2003.<br><br>________________________________________________<br><br><br>Homeland Security Prepping For Dangerous Hurricane Katrina<br>Residents in path of storm "Must take action now"<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=18461">www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=18461</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>Release Date: August 28, 2005<br><br><<snip>><br><br>On Saturday, President Bush has declared an emergency for the states of Louisiana and Mississippi opening up FEMA’s ability to move into the state and assist the state and local governments with mobilizing resources and preparations to save lives and property from the impact of Hurricane Katrina. FEMA is moving supplies of generators, water, ice and food into the region for immediate deployment once the storm passes. FEMA’s Urban Search & Rescue (USAR) and Disaster Medical Assistance Teams (DMATs) are also staged for immediate response anywhere in the region. The funding and direct federal assistance will assist law enforcement with evacuations, establishing shelters and other emergency protective measures.<br><br><<snip>><br><br>Both Mississippi and Louisiana have mandatory evacuation orders in place for some areas. National Guard troops have been deployed to assist law enforcement in evacuations.<br><br>____________________________________________<br><br><br>First Responders Urged Not To Respond To Hurricane Impact Areas Unless Dispatched By State, Local Authorities<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=18470">www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=18470</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>Release Date: August 29, 2005<br><br>WASHINGTON D.C. -- Michael D. Brown...today urged all fire and emergency services departments not to respond to counties and states affected by Hurricane Katrina without being requested and lawfully dispatched by state and local authorities under mutual aid agreements and the Emergency Management Assistance Compact.<br><br>“The response to Hurricane Katrina must be well coordinated between federal, state and local officials to most effectively protect life and property,” Brown said. “We appreciate the willingness and generosity of our Nation’s first responders to deploy during disasters. But such efforts must be coordinated so that fire-rescue efforts are the most effective possible.”<br><br><<snip>><br><br>“It is critical that fire and emergency departments across the country remain in their jurisdictions until such time as the affected states request assistance,” said U.S. Fire Administrator R. David Paulison. “State and local mutual aid agreements are in place as is the Emergency Management Assistance Compact and those mechanisms will be used to request and task resources needed in the affected areas.”<br><br>Paulison said the National Incident Management System is being used during the response to Hurricane Katrina and that self-dispatching volunteer assistance could significantly complicate the response and recovery effort.<br><br>___________________________________________________________<br><br>Assistance Continues To Areas Impacted By Hurricane Katrina<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=18471">www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=18471</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>Release Date: August 29, 2005<br><br>WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Michael D. Brown...announced that federal resources and support are continuing in four states as Hurricane Katrina makes its second landfall today.<br><br><<snip>><br><br>As of early August 29, approximately 52,000 people were in 240 shelters in Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Florida and Texas, with the majority in the New Orleans Superdome. Strategic housing planning is underway to address expected continued sheltering and eventual housing needs.<br><br><<snip>><br>FEMA’s emergency teams and resources are being deployed and configured ... This includes pre-staging critical commodities such as ice, water, meals, and tarps in various strategic locations to be made available to residents of affected areas. FEMA’s Hurricane Liaison Team is onsite and working closely with the National Hurricane Center in Miami, Fla.<br><<snip>><br>FEMA has 500 trucks of ice, 500 trucks of water and 350 trucks of meals ready to eat (MREs) available for distribution over the next 10 days.<br><br>____________________________________<br><br><br>Cash Sought To Help Hurricane Victims, Volunteers Should Not Self-Dispatch<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=18473">www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=18473</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>Release Date: August 29, 2005<br><br>WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Voluntary organizations are seeking cash donations to assist victims of Hurricane Katrina in Gulf Coast states... But, volunteers should not report directly to the affected areas unless directed by a voluntary agency.<br><br>“Cash donations are especially helpful to victims,” Brown said. “They allow volunteer agencies to issue cash vouchers to victims so they can meet their needs. Cash donations also allow agencies to avoid the labor- intensive need to store, sort, pack and distribute donated goods. Donated money prevents, too, the prohibitive cost of air or sea transportation that donated goods require.”<br><br><<snip>><br><br>“We’re grateful for the outpouring of support already,” Brown said. “But it’s important that volunteer response is coordinated by the professionals who can direct volunteers with the appropriate skills to the hardest-hit areas where they are needed most. Self-dispatched volunteers and especially sightseers can put themselves and others in harm’s way and hamper rescue efforts.”<br><br>____________________________________________<br><br><br>President Declares Major Disaster For Louisiana<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=18478">www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=18478</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>Release Date: August 29, 2005<br><br>WASHINGTON, D.C. -- ...(FEMA) announced today that federal disaster aid has been made available to the state of Louisiana...<br><br>... assistance was authorized under a major disaster declaration issued for the state by President Bush. The declaration covers damage to private and public property from Hurricane Katrina that occurred beginning August 29, 2005 and continuing.<br><br>The action follows the President's emergency declaration of August 27 that released federal resources to help meet immediate life-saving and life-sustaining human needs and protecting property in addition to other emergency protective measures. Debris removal and emergency services to assist law enforcement with evacuations and establishment of shelters are also eligible costs covered by the federal funding.<br><br>____________________________________<br><br>Evacuees Cautioned Not To Re-Enter Damage Areas Prematurely<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=18488">www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=18488</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>Release Date: August 30, 2005<br><br><<snip>><br>FEMA pre-staged emergency response teams and critical commodities such as ice, water, meals ready-to- eat (MREs), and tarps in strategic locations in Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia and Florida. Convoys of supplies are moving into heavily impacted areas but with many roads damaged or impassable, it may be several days before emergency workers are able to reach all the victims of Katrina.<br><br>FEMA recommends that evacuees tune to local news coverage wherever they are located for ongoing response and recovery information. Federal, state and local officials will work with the media in these areas to communicate emergency information as it becomes available.<br><br>Evacuees can call the American Red Cross’ information line at 1-866-GET-INFO for information regarding emergency assistance and public safety information and road closures. In addition, Louisiana residents can call the Louisiana State Police at 800-469-4828 to check on roadways that are open and safe for travel in less impacted areas.<br><br>FEMA also reemphasized that volunteers should not report directly to the affected areas unless directed by a voluntary agency. Self-dispatched volunteers can put themselves and others in harm's way and hamper rescue efforts.<br><br>___________________________________<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.fema.gov/news/newsarchive.fema?year=2005&month=8">www.fema.gov/news/newsarchive.fema?year=2005&month=8</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>Nevada Disaster Medical Assistance Team Deployed To Gulf States For Hurricane Katrina, Aug 30<br>Texas Disaster Medical Assistance Team Deployed To Gulf States For Hurricane Katrina, Aug 30<br>Arkansas Disaster Medical Assistance Team Deployed To Gulf States For Hurricane Katrina, Aug 30<br>Oklahoma Disaster Medical Assistance Team Deployed To Gulf States For Hurricane Katrina, Aug 30<br>New Mexico Disaster Medical Assistance Team Deployed To Gulf States For Hurricane Katrina, Aug 30<br>North Carolina Disaster Medical Assistance Team Deployed To Gulf States For Hurricane Katrina, Aug 30<br>Washington Disaster Medical Assistance Team Deployed To Gulf States For Hurricane Katrina, Aug 30<br>Massachusetts Disaster Medical Assistance Team Deployed To Gulf States For Hurricane Katrina, Aug 30<br><br>______________________________________<br><br>Life Safety Tops FEMA Priorities, Supplies Pour In<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=18497">www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=18497</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>Release Date: August 31, 2005<br><<snip>><br>Federal response activities include:<br><br>As of early August 31, more than 54,000 people were in 317 shelters. FEMA is working with a multi-state housing task force to address expected continued sheltering and eventual housing needs. More than 82,000 meals have been served in the impacted areas.<br>More than 1,700 trucks have been mobilized through federal, state and contract sources to supply ice, water and supplies. These supplies and equipment are being moved into the hardest hit areas as quickly as possible, especially water, ice, meals, medical supplies, and generators. It may, however, take several days for supplies and equipment to reach all victims because of damaged and closed roads and bridges.<br><br><<snip>><br><br>Fifty-one teams from the National Disaster Medical System (NDMS) have been deployed, including five Disaster Medical Assistance Teams (DMATs) that are supporting New Orleans medical facilities and hospitals not fully operational. These teams have truckloads of medical equipment and supplies with them and are trained to handle trauma, pediatrics, surgery and mental health problems. Additional teams are staged in Anniston, Ala.; Camp Shelby, Miss.; and Baton Rogue, La., and will move out as conditions permit.<br><br>NDMS has identified 2,600 hospital beds in a 12-state area around the affected area and is working with the U.S. Departments of Defense and Veterans Affairs to move patients to these facilities.<br>USDA’s Food and Nutrition Service is providing food at shelters and mass feeding sites and issuing emergency food stamps, infant formula and food packages to households in need.<br><br>FEMA is coordinating logistics with the U.S. Department of Transportation and Louisiana National Guard in support of the ground evacuation of refugees sheltered at the Superdome in New Orleans to the Houston Astrodome in Harris County, Texas.<br><br><<snip>><br><br>___________________________________________<br><br><br>U.S. Airlines Provide Emergency Airlift For New Orleans Evacuees<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=18567">www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=18567</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>Release Date: September 2, 2005<br><br>ATA to Coordinate Unprecedented Civilian Relocation Program for Federal Government<br><br>Washington, DC, September 2, 2005 - The Department of Homeland Security, the Air Transport Association and the Department of Transportation today announced that the airline industry has launched "Operation Air Care" to provide emergency airlift to more than 25,000 New Orleans residents stranded in the wake of Hurricane Katrina.<br><br><<snip>><br><br>"This extraordinary civilian airlift is unprecedented in U.S. history, and is a shining example of how America can come together to help those in need," said ATA President and CEO James C. May. "Our member airlines have willingly offered to help the federal government get the job done and we will continue these efforts until they are no longer needed."<br><br>"We've cleared the runways and are watching the skies to make sure these humanitarian flights get in and out safely," said U.S. Secretary of Transportation Norman Y. Mineta. "From the moment Hurricane Katrina passed, the DOT has been working around the clock to put the people and equipment in place to sustain a massive airlift operation."<br><br>The plan, which was crafted late in the evening Thursday, allowed the first flight to New Orleans at 8 a.m. today. Participating airlines will provide aircrafts and service to airlift evacuees. Flights will depart from Louis Armstrong New Orleans International Airport to sites designated by the Federal Emergency Management Agency, such as Lackland Air Force Base in San Antonio, Texas.<br><br><br>__________________________________<br><br><br>FEMA Urges Patience While Search Continues for Stranded Victims and Supplies Stream In<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=18540">www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=18540</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br>Release Date: September 2, 2005<br><br>WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Michael D. Brown...called for patience in the wake of Hurricane Katrina.<br><br>"Response operations are being conducted over a disaster area of nearly 90,000 square miles - the biggest single disaster response in our nation's history. This is a catastrophic event, and it takes time to get assets to victims over this large area," said Brown. "We ask for patience from individuals who may be uncomfortable but are safe while we conduct search and rescue efforts for those who are stranded and without commodities."<br><br>To date, Federal response activities include:<br><br>The sheltering and care of more than 91,000 hurricane victims. FEMA is supporting state partners, the American Red Cross and voluntary agencies, in ensuring that victims of the storms are in safe shelters with essential life-sustaining commodities. As of today, people are in 275 shelters in Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Louisiana, Mississippi, Tennessee and Texas.<br><<snip>><br>The deployment of nearly 1,200 National Disaster Medical System (NDMS) personnel to support medical facilities and hospitals in Louisiana and Mississippi which are not fully operational. Teams are staged near disaster areas for immediate and rapid deployment further into the disaster zone once it is safe to do so. NDMS teams are also coordinating the transport of medical needs victims from New Orleans to Houston.<br><br>The coordination of nearly 16,000 law enforcement personnel including National Guardsmen, and federal, state and local police officers being sent to the stricken areas. Convoys of food, water and ice which are arriving hourly in impacted areas. The evacuation of thousands from New Orleans to Texas. FEMA has contracted for more than 650 buses to expedite the state-ordered evacuation.<br><br>_____________________________________________<br><br><br>Critical Commodities Continue Into Disaster Areas While Government Responds to Challenges of Most Catastrophic Disaster in U.S. History<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=18566">www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=18566</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>Release Date: September 2, 2005<br><br>Washington - FEMA, along with its federal partners, state governments and voluntary agencies, are all working to keep meals ready to eat (MREs), food, water, ice, medical supplies, generators, and other critical commodities flowing into hurricane-hit areas...<br><br><<snip>><br><br>To date,<br><br>15,000 evacuations have been made from the New Orleans Superdome to the Astrodome in Houston and are continuing today to San Antonio for housing at Kelly Air Force Base....<br><br>Commodities delivered to date include:<br>1.9 million MREs<br>6.7 million liters of water<br>1.7 million pounds of ice<br>More than 600 buses to transport evacuees<br>As of yesterday, there were 204 shelters with a population of 53,004. This number fluctuates daily.<br>More than 170,000 meals a day are being served throughout the affected areas.<br>14,000 National Guard are on the ground in three states and an additional 1,400 will arrive today and 1,400 on Saturday to assist with security of victims and responders. A total of 27,000 members of the National Guard will be deployed to the affected areas.<br>200 Border Patrol agents, 200 additional law enforcement officers from other Louisiana jurisdictions and 2,000 officers from neighboring states are assisting in restoring order in the streets of New Orleans.<br>Nearly 500 U.S. Corps of Engineers civilians and soldiers are working on the New Orleans levee breach and coordinating the transport of ice and water.<br>A Disaster Recovery Center (DRC) is opening today in Bayou La Batre, Ala., and another tomorrow in Chatom, Ala.<br><<snip>><br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br><br>BTW, Here one press release FEMA posted Aug 13 before Charley in FLA<br><br>Department of Homeland Security Prepares Response to Hurricane Charley<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/display?content=3942">www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/display?content=3942</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br>August 13, 2004<br><br>With Hurricane Charley's 145 mile-per-hour winds impacting the Florida coast, the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has pre-positioned personnel and supplies for rapid response to areas that will need emergency assistance from this Category 4 strength storm.<br><br>The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) is coordinating activities along with other federal departments and respective state agencies. FEMA met its goal to have necessary emergency response teams and disaster relief supplies positioned throughout the southeast region earlier today in preparation for the anticipated response operations. More equipment and resources are being deployed from stockpiles nationwide.<br><br>Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge and FEMA Director Michael Brown are maximizing readiness and response efforts for Hurricane Charley and have been in contact with Florida Governor Jeb Bush and other governors in southeast states that could be impacted by this dangerous storm.<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Katrina LIHOP stack

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Eloriel (1000+ posts) <br>Sat Sep-03-05 02:26 PM<br>Response to Reply #118<br><br>124. Yes, please be so bold -- superb information from FEMA itself<br><br><br>Edited on Sat Sep-03-05 02:30 PM by Eloriel<br><br>includes these (some text at link):<br>Emergency Aid Authorized For Hurricane Katrina Emergency Response In Louisiana<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=18447">www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=18447</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>Release Date: August 27, 2005<br><br><br>Homeland Security Prepping For Dangerous Hurricane Katrina<br>Residents in path of storm "Must take action now"<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=18461">www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=18461</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>Release Date: August 28, 2005<br><br><br>First Responders Urged Not To Respond To Hurricane Impact Areas Unless Dispatched By State, Local Authorities<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=18470">www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=18470</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>Release Date: August 29, 2005<br><br><br>Assistance Continues To Areas Impacted By Hurricane Katrina<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=18471">www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=18471</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>Release Date: August 29, 2005<br><br><br>Cash Sought To Help Hurricane Victims, Volunteers Should Not Self-Dispatch<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=18473">www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=18473</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>Release Date: August 29, 2005<br><br><br>President Declares Major Disaster For Louisiana<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=18478">www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=18478</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>Release Date: August 30, 2005<br><br><br>BROKEN LINK for this -- can you fix?<br>Nevada Disaster Medical Assistance Team Deployed To Gulf States For Hurricane Katrina, Aug 30<br>Texas Disaster Medical Assistance Team Deployed To Gulf States For Hurricane Katrina, Aug 30<br>Arkansas Disaster Medical Assistance Team Deployed To Gulf States For Hurricane Katrina, Aug 30<br>Oklahoma Disaster Medical Assistance Team Deployed To Gulf States For Hurricane Katrina, Aug 30<br>New Mexico Disaster Medical Assistance Team Deployed To Gulf States For Hurricane Katrina, Aug 30<br>North Carolina Disaster Medical Assistance Team Deployed To Gulf States For Hurricane Katrina, Aug 30<br>Washington Disaster Medical Assistance Team Deployed To Gulf States For Hurricane Katrina, Aug 30<br>Massachusetts Disaster Medical Assistance Team Deployed To Gulf States For Hurricane Katrina, Aug 30<br><br>Life Safety Tops FEMA Priorities, Supplies Pour In<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=18497">www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=18497</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>Release Date: August 31, 2005<br><br><br>and a couple more<br><br>Extremely important info. Thanks so much!<br><br>Emit (516 posts) <br>Sat Sep-03-05 03:20 PM<br>Response to Reply #124<br><br>128. Here's the fix for broken link<br><br><br>Main link to archives:<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.fema.gov/news/newsarchive.fema?year=2005&month=8">www.fema.gov/news/newsarchive.fema?year=2005&month=8</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>These are the specific press release titles to show chronolgy of when FEMA said they deployed these teams (which, of course, I don't recall hearing or seeing from the reporters WHO WERE THERE):<br><br>Nevada Disaster Medical Assistance Team Deployed To Gulf States For Hurricane Katrina, Aug 30<br>Texas Disaster Medical Assistance Team Deployed To Gulf States For Hurricane Katrina, Aug 30<br>Arkansas Disaster Medical Assistance Team Deployed To Gulf States For Hurricane Katrina, Aug 30<br>Oklahoma Disaster Medical Assistance Team Deployed To Gulf States For Hurricane Katrina, Aug 30<br>New Mexico Disaster Medical Assistance Team Deployed To Gulf States For Hurricane Katrina, Aug 30<br>North Carolina Disaster Medical Assistance Team Deployed To Gulf States For Hurricane Katrina, Aug 30<br>Washington Disaster Medical Assistance Team Deployed To Gulf States For Hurricane Katrina, Aug 30<br>Massachusetts Disaster Medical Assistance Team Deployed To Gulf States For Hurricane Katrina, Aug 30<br><br>beetbox (326 posts) <br>Sat Sep-03-05 01:51 PM<br>Response to Original message<br><br>121. Award-Winning Report "Major Hurricane Will Hit New Orleans" Was Ignored<br><br><br>This report was written 3 Years ago and largely ignored.<br><br>INSIDE<br>Special Report: Washing Away<br>» Part 1 - In Harm's Way<br>» Part 2 - The Big One<br>» Part 3 - Exposure's Cost<br>» Part 4 - Tempting Fate<br>» Part 5 - Cost of Survival<br>» Hurricane Center<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://nola.live.advance.net/washingaway/images/wash_new_header.gif"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://nola.live.advance.net/washingaway/images/cover_250.jpg"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br>It's only a matter of time before South Louisiana takes a direct hit from a major hurricane. Billions have been spent to protect us, but we grow more vulnerable every day.<br><br>Five-Part Series<br>Snips from Part One: In Harm's Way<br><br>It's a matter of when, not if. Eventually a major hurricane will hit New Orleans head on, instead of being just a close call. It's happened before and it'll happen again.<br><br><><br><br>"A catastrophic hurricane represents 10 or 15 atomic bombs in terms of the energy it releases," said Joseph Suhayda, a Louisiana State University engineer who is studying ways to limit hurricane damage in the New Orleans area. "Think about it. New York lost two big buildings. Multiply that by 10 or 20 or 30 in the area impacted and the people lost, and we know what could happen."<br><br>Hundreds of thousands would be left homeless, and it would take months to dry out the area and begin to make it livable. But there wouldn't be much for residents to come home to. The local economy would be in ruins.<br><br>The scene has been played out for years in computer models and emergency-operations simulations. Officials at the local, state and national level are convinced the risk is genuine and are devising plans for alleviating the aftermath of a disaster that could leave the city uninhabitable for six months or more. The Army Corps of Engineers has begun a study to see whether the levees should be raised to counter the threat. But officials say that right now, nothing can stop "the big one."<br><br>Like coastal Bangladesh, where typhoons killed 100,000 and 300,000 villagers, respectively, in two horrific storms in 1970 and 1991, the New Orleans area lies in a low, flat coastal area. Unlike Bangladesh, New Orleans has hurricane levees that create a bowl with the bottom dipping lower than the bottom of Lake Pontchartrain. Though providing protection from weaker storms, the levees also would trap any water that gets inside -- by breach, overtopping or torrential downpour -- in a catastrophic storm.<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.nola.com/hurricane/?/washingaway">www.nola.com/hurricane/?/washingaway</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Katrina LIHOP stack

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Eloriel (1000+ posts) <br>Sat Sep-03-05 03:31 PM<br>Response to Original message<br><br>130. Not only have they stopped evac of SuperDome, chaos in NG<br><br><br>otherwise:<br><br>---------------------<br>There was chaos on the local police scanner last night about buses<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1749085&mesg_id=1749510">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1749085&mesg_id=1749510</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>rainbow4321 (1000+ posts) <br>Sat Sep-03-05 03:20 PM<br>Response to Original message<br><br>23. There was chaos on the local police scanner last night about buses<br><br><br>Edited on Sat Sep-03-05 03:24 PM by rainbow4321<br><br>"Start the buses, stop the buses, turn them AROUND, WHERE are the buses?, the Greyhound bus has broke down".<br><br>No one seemed to know where the orders were coming from, they were just following them. This was after midnight. Which may be happening at that time cuz the media spotlight is not around as it is during the daytime.<br><br>They kept "losing" 45-55 buses at a TIME..how hard is it to keep track of this many buses when they are in a convoy.<br><br>They were putting a Nat'l Guard soldier on every other bus.<br><br>If you go to DU's GD forum, there is a "scanner" thread with links to local police scanners as well as the FEMA frequency. Interesting to hear things as they happen, as opposed getting the filtered<br>version.<br><br>BTW, can they NOT find some military vehicles to move these folks instead of **Greyhound buses** that seem to be repeatedly breaking down??<br><br><br>There is TOTAL chaos on the ground with the cops/NG...sounded like they had no one in charge--or at least admitting they were in charge, orders were just coming out of no where, no one on the radio seemed to know who was giving them.<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>This is unbelievable and again, something you have to look at as potentially purposeful. In this thread:<br>Guardsmen Halt Evacuation at Superdome<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1749085&mesg_id=1749085">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1749085&mesg_id=1749085</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>Eugene (783 posts) <br>Sat Sep-03-05 08:14 AM<br>Original message<br><br>Guardsmen Halt Evacuation at Superdome<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-5252892,00.html">www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-5252892,00.html</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br>Guardsmen Halt Evacuation at Superdome<br><br><br>Saturday September 3, 2005 8:46 AM<br><br>AP Photo LADM136<br><br>By MARY FOSTER<br><br>Associated Press Writer<br><br>NEW ORLEANS (AP) - National Guard members halted the evacuation of<br>the Superdome early Saturday after buses transporting the refugees of<br>Hurricane Katrina stopped rolling. About 2,000 people remained in the<br>stadium and could be there until Sunday, according to the Texas Air<br>National Guard. They had hoped to evacuate the last of the crowd<br>before dawn Saturday.<br><br>Guard members said they were told only that the buses had stopped<br>coming and to close down the area where the buses were loaded.<br><br>"We were rolling," Capt. Jean Clark said. "If the buses had kept<br>coming, we would have this whole place cleaned out already or pretty<br>close to it."<br><br>The remaining refugees remained orderly, sitting down after hearing<br>the news.<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Now, I see that Northcom is sending 7000 troops, SUPPOSEDLY with nothing but basic self-protection use of force orders.<br><br>DrDebug (1000+ posts) <br>Sat Sep-03-05 03:31 PM<br>Response to Original message<br><br>131. On BBC: Northern Command was in position, waiting for Presidential orders.<br><br><br>drm604<br>On BBC: Northern Command was in position, waiting for Presidential orders.<br>9 million meals were ready waiting until the President authorizes us to do so<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>This was on the episode of BBC World News which played on a local (Philadelphia area) PBS station at 6:00 am this morning. I can't find a stream or transcript online. It's sitting on my TIVO right now marked do not delete but I have no way to put it onto my hard drive and no place to serve it from anyway. If you do have a recording of it, it starts about 9 minutes in. I've done a hand written transcript, the spelling and punctuation are mine. The bolding is also mine to emphasize what I think is the important part. The BBC announcer was interviewing Lieutenant Commander Sean Kelly whom she referred to as Leftenant Commander. This is the entire interview with no missing context.<br><br>Announcer: The relief operation is the largest ever conducted in America. It's being coordinated by<br><br>the US Northern Command in Colorado. Leftenant Commander Sean Kelly explains how the relief effort is being organized.<br><br>Kelly: US Northern Command is the command that coordinates the military support for our federal and state agencies. They call up and request a capability and we try and provide that capability, whether it's medical resources, search and rescue helicopters, food, water, transportation, communications; that's what we provide.<br><br>A: So it sounds like you're providing a bit of everything. I mean, do you know how much you're actually providing?<br><br>K: Right now we've got 4,000 soldiers, sailors, airmen and marine and coast guardsmen supporting this. They've delivered more than 9 million meals, I can't remember how many millions of liters of water.<br><br>A: 9 million meals? Do you actually have 9 million meals?<br><br>K: It's those "meals ready to eat". The packaged meals that the Army takes out with them out in the field. We have 9 million of 'em ready. I know at least 100,000 went to the Superdome the other night to help the people out there in New Orleans. So they're staged at various places throughout Mississippi, Alabama, and Louisiana.<br><br>A: Now I'm sure you're aware of the criticism that the authorities have been slow to respond to this. When did you get the order to start relief work?<br><br>K: NorthCom started planning before the storm even hit. We were ready for the storm when it hit Florida because, as you remember, it crossed the bottom part of Florida, and then we were plaining, you know, once it was pointed towards the Gulf Coast. So what we did was we activated what we call defense coordinating officers to work with the state to say okay, what do you think you'll need, and we set up staging bases that could be started. We had the USS Baton sailing almost behind the hurricane so that after the hurricane made landfall it's search and rescue helicopters would be available almost immediately. So we had things ready. The only caveat is, we have to wait until the President authorizes us to do so. The laws of the United States say that the military can't just act in this fashion, we have to wait for the President to give us permission.<br><br>A: Now I gather that your engineers are also involved in pumping some of that flood water out of the areas.<br><br>K: Yes, our military personnel are helping to reconstruct the levees which frees up the engineers to start pumping out the waters so that hopefully New Orleans can be high and dry soon enough.<br><br>So apparently everything was in position, waiting for Bush to do something.<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>TheGoldenRule (1000+ posts) <br>Sat Sep-03-05 04:14 PM<br>Response to Original message<br><br>132. Is this connected somehow?<br><br><br><snip><br>Beginning on Saturday July 16th I began to receive cellphone calls from my truckdriver boyfriend. He told me he had dropped his trailer at the company terminal in CA, and bobtailed to an abandoned military base near Ft Worth. There were 300 trucks from his company, as well as 200+ from others. They were locked inside the installation, and a government truck brought them meals three times a day.<br><br>In a later call he told me busses came regularly to take the drivers to a truckstop near Weatherford (an hour away) for showers. At that time he had no idea why he was there. He called the next day to say the drivers surmised they were waiting to haul relief supplies to south Texas incase the hurricane hit there.<br><br>I became increasingly skeptical as the days went by, and landfall passed. Around day four FEMA made their presense known, and my boyfriend called to tell me, "FEMA took a bunch of flack last year from the Press in Texas, when they buried all the leftover hurricane supplies in a landfill at the end of the season. FEMA is trying to find storage for excess ice, bottled water, rations etc. for next year."<br><br>If this were true, I wondered why they didn't use the past year to find storage. He told me, "What do you expect? It's a government operation." I then realized hurricane season wasn't even over, and wondered where the supplies were stored between hurricanes. He replied, "I don't ask questions, all I know is I'm making $200 per day to sit and do nothing."<br><br><snip><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4605531&mesg_id=4605531">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4605531&mesg_id=4605531</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>Eloriel (1000+ posts) <br>Sat Sep-03-05 04:20 PM<br>Response to Reply #132<br><br>133. NG PAPERWORK DELAYED TIL THURS NITE -<br><br><br>National Guard Delay (no approval by WH til Thurs!) Likely to Be Examined #<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1749337&mesg_id=1749337">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1749337&mesg_id=1749337</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>UpInArms (1000+ posts) <br>Sat Sep-03-05 01:28 PM<br>Original message<br><br>National Guard Delay (no approval by WH til Thurs!) Likely to Be Examined<br><br><br>http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/katrina_national_guard<br><br>WASHINGTON - Several states ready and willing to send National Guard troops to the rescue in hurricane- ravaged New Orleans didn't get the go-ahead until days after the storm struck — a delay nearly certain to be investigated by Congress.<br><br>New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson offered Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco help from his state's National Guard on Sunday, the day before Hurricane Katrina hit Louisiana. Blanco accepted, but paperwork needed to get the troops en route didn't come from Washington until late Thursday.<br><br>California troops just began arriving in Louisiana on Friday, three days after flood waters devastated New Orleans and chaos broke out.<br><br>In fact, when New Orleans' levees gave way to deadly flooding on Tuesday, Louisiana's National Guard had received help from troops in only three other states: Ohio, which had nine people in Louisiana then; Oklahoma, 89; and Texas, 625, figures provided by the National Guard show.<br><br><snip><br><br>With many states' Guard units depleted by deployments to Iraq, Katrina's aftermath was almost certain from the beginning to require help from faraway states.<br><br>...more...<br><br>I am so horrified at the complete ineptitude that there just are no words....<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson offered Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco help from his state's National Guard on Sunday, the day before Hurricane Katrina hit Louisiana. Blanco accepted, but paperwork needed to get the troops en route didn't come from Washington until late Thursday.<br>Link: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/katrina_national_guard<br>Eloriel (1000+ posts) <br>Sat Sep-03-05 04:35 PM<br>Response to Original message<br><br>135. Troops being COMBAT operations in NO<br><br><br>I'm lifting Minstrel Boy's OP in its entirety:<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4605494&mesg_id=4605494">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4605494&mesg_id=4605494</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>NEW ORLEANS — Combat operations are underway on the streets “to take this city back” in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.<br><br>“This place is going to look like Little Somalia,” Brig. Gen. Gary Jones, commander of the Louisiana National Guard’s Joint Task Force told Army Times Friday as hundreds of armed troops under his charge prepared to launch a massive citywide security mission from a staging area outside the Louisiana Superdome. “We’re going to go out and take this city back. This will be a combat operation to get this city under control.”<br><br>...<br><br>“We’re here to do whatever they need us to do,” Sgt. 1st Class Ron Dixon, of the Oklahoma National Guard’s 1345th Transportation Company. “We packed to stay as long as it takes.”<br><br>While some fight the insurgency in the city, other carry on with rescue and evacuation operations. Helicopters are still pulling hundreds of stranded people from rooftops of flooded homes.<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.armytimes.com/story.php?f=1-292925-1077495.php">www.armytimes.com/story.php?f=1-292925-1077495.php</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>My heart is breaking.<br><br>This morning they stopped the evacuation for some ungodly reason, and it just seemed to me that TPTB were STILL wanting rioting to take place, and that they were all being treated like goddamn lab rats -- a fucking experiment.<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Eloriel (1000+ posts) <br>Sat Sep-03-05 05:08 PM<br>Response to Reply #135<br><br>141. Another thread on same story<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1749646">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1749646</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) <br>Sat Sep-03-05 04:18 PM<br>Original message<br><br>Troops begin combat operations in New Orleans<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.armytimes.com/story.php?f=1-292925-1077495.php">www.armytimes.com/story.php?f=1-292925-1077495.php</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>NEW ORLEANS — Combat operations are underway on the streets “to take this city back” in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.<br><br>“This place is going to look like Little Somalia,” Brig. Gen. Gary Jones, commander of the Louisiana National Guard’s Joint Task Force told Army Times Friday as hundreds of armed troops under his charge prepared to launch a massive citywide security mission from a staging area outside the Louisiana Superdome. “We’re going to go out and take this city back. This will be a combat operation to get this city under control.”<br><br>Jones said the military first needs to establish security throughout the city. Military and police officials have said there are several large areas of the city are in a full state of anarchy.<br><br>Dozens of military trucks and up-armored Humvees left the staging area just after 11 a.m. Friday, while hundreds more troops arrived at the same staging area in the city via Black Hawk and Chinook helicopters.<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>GettysbergII (630 posts) <br>Sat Sep-03-05 05:19 PM<br>Response to Reply #135<br><br>143. A few vocabulary words<br><br><br>insurgency<br>n: An organized rebellion aimed at overthrowing a constituted government through the use of subversion and armed conflict<br><br>a·gent pro·vo·ca·teur <br>n: A person employed to associate with suspected individuals or groups with the purpose of inciting them to commit acts that will make them liable to punishment.<br><br>Roland99 (1000+ posts) <br>Sat Sep-03-05 05:16 PM<br>Response to Original message<br><br>142. Here is some information I've been working on and links I've collected:<br><br><br>I said a few days ago I wouldn't be surprised to see widespread fires and building collapses after most of the evacuees were gone.<br><br>Fires burn along river; thousands wait to leave<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/03/katrina.impact/index.html">www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/03/katrina.impact/index.html</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>Let's start at the beginning...the way I see it.<br><br>Sunday, Aug. 28<br>100,000 people or more needed to be evacuated.<br><br>The post-flood Superdome evacuation started about midnight Wed. night (60 hours ago) and only 15,000-20,000 have been evac'd from there (5,000 remain)<br><br>Now, extrapolate that out to 100,000 people and they would have had to have started the evacuation sometime back around the middle of August.<br><br>Also, I've read posts on other boards (like nola and wwltv) of people in that area discussing this topic and, in some districts, the keys are locked in a safe and that most of the city employees were already ordered out.<br><br>The NOLA emergency plan doesn't include public transportation out of the city, only public transportation to temporary shelters which is exactly what they offered.<br><br>Also, remember, Mayor Nagin was requesting outside assistance to provide security for the process and received little or none. The city, itself, cannot provide security to escort and control 100,000, esp. when they just evacuated 80% of the city.<br><br><br>Now. toss these into the mix:<br><br>Time to end the doubt. Letter from Gov. Blanco to Pres. Bush - 8/28<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://gov.louisiana.gov/Disaster%20Relief%20Request.pdf">gov.louisiana.gov/Disaster%20Relief%20Request.pdf</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>Congress Likely to Probe Guard Delay<br>(White House delays National Guard approval until Thursday)<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/katrina_national_guard">news.yahoo.com/s/ap/katrina_national_guard</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>6pm Friday<br>President * holds photo-op conference in New Orleans RIGHT when troops and supplies roll into New Orleans<br><br>11am Saturday<br>Convention Center airlift begins. President * holds radio address AT THE SAME MOMENT<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4604777">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4604777</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>Plus all of this:<br><br>Red Cross not allowed into New Orleans for total BS reason!<br><br>Start here:<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.redcross.org/faq/0,1096,0_682_4524,00.html#4524">www.redcross.org/faq/0,1096,0_682_4524,00.html#4524</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>Then go here:<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://dailykos.com/story/2005/9/2/2125/04978">dailykos.com/story/2005/9/2/2125/04978</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>And follow up with this:<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/9/3/02454/07418">www.dailykos.com/story/2005/9/3/02454/07418</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>(one of the comments seems to indicate the Salvation Army has adopted this "work in progress" policy change, too)<br><br>Also, notice anything interesting in the political contributions of the Chairman of the Red Cross?<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.newsmeat.com/washington_political_donations/Bonnie_McElveen-Hunter.php">www.newsmeat.com/washington_political_donations/Bonnie_McElveen-Hunter.php</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>Also,<br><br>Troops begin combat operations in New Orleans<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.armytimes.com/story.php?f=1-292925-1077495.php">www.armytimes.com/story.php?f=1-292925-1077495.php</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>Do you see the pattern forming?<br><br>Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) <br>Sat Sep-03-05 05:50 PM<br>Response to Original message<br><br>145. Geraldo's rant on Fox News (I just saw the video)<br><br><br>No supplies coming in, no people allowed to walk out of the city.<br><br>chomskysright (1000+ posts) <br>Sat Sep-03-05 05:51 PM<br>Response to Original message<br><br>146. hELOOOO: Another DU'er who gets it:<br><br><br>Its much bigger. MALEVOLENT NEGLECT:<br><br>THE CRUEL SOCIETY (Stephen Downes in Canada's phrase).<br><br>Repeated after 9-11 when the Air Force 'stood down': why was the AF not in the air? Oh, you mean that 'War Games' practice which was coincidentally on the same day as that which 'confused' what should have taken place?<br><br>Chicago Mayor Daley stating back on SUNDAY that Chicago was ready to help out.<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.suntimes.com/output/hurricane/cst-nws-daley0">www.suntimes.com/output/hurricane/cst-nws-daley0</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>This is planned. It has to do with Rove setting up the chess board and moving a few of the pieces. The pieces that WERE on the board were these: underfund Army Corps of Engineers re: the 3 cities mapped by FEMA to be most at risk: San Francisco; NY; New Orleans. SF has too many activitist; NY also and has already been hit and would doubly irate this time; NO has 30% pop of black people, quite poor, black Dem mayor, Dem governor. Wait for Act of God....waiting....drumming fingers on table.....waiting.<br><br>Act of God (I was wondering where he was, says Rove): NOW, sir: send in those Nat'l Guard: its Thursday evening and the orders go out to get the NG in there. <br>http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/katrina_national_guard<br>Bush sweeps in like the Savior: kisses the babies; hugs the clean young Black women (as he turns them towards the cameras). A few more troublesome Dems drowned; Louisiana only has about 10 electoral college votes anyway. <br><br>Man: let's get back to our vacation. <p></p><i></i>
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