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Postby professorpan » Mon Feb 06, 2006 5:12 pm

All very good points.<br><br>One thing I believe is crucial for navigating these tricky waters is skepticism, in its purest sense (as opposed to CSICOPian debunkery masquerading as legitimate skepticism). Delving into parapolitics without a grounding in skeptical thought is a recipe for paranoiac mental disintegration. <br><br>Let's take two issues that remain intractably hard to analyze -- UFO abductions and ritual abuse. If you begin analyzing the UFO phenomenon, you could take the plunge into one of two entrenched camps: the skeptical debunkers or the true believers. Most people fall within those two camps. Once you buy into either camp, you will begin to filter out the opposition and build more "evidence" to support what you believe.<br><br>Ditto ritualistic abuse -- either it's real, it's widespread, and out of control, or it's all false memories implanted by crusading fundie therapists.<br><br>Once you've become a believer and taken a side, it's hard to be objective with any new evidence that contradicts your beliefs because it has become an attack on *you.* Witness those who still believe the "alien autopsy" film is real, and the people who rationalize when their contactee prophet says a UFO is going to show up -- and doesn't.<br><br>Robert Anton Wilson describes this phenomena of perceiving information from within our "reality tunnels." In order to break out of our entrenched tunnel vision (and we all have it), it's important to remain *unattached* to the data and our to be skeptical of our own preconceptions. One way to do this is to actively open our filters to opposing viewpoints. <br><br>For instance, when I started researching ritual abuse, I read all the major texts about its existence, but I also read the skeptical research. Same with UFOs, which I've researched for a much longer time. And I don't mean picking up the Skeptical Inquirer, reading a page, scoffing, and throwing it in the garbage. I mean reading it with the thought in mind that *maybe* there is something of value. Maybe something I've taken for granted as true has some major problems. Maybe that clear-cut evidence was flimsy. Maybe I'm *wrong.*<br><br>Charles Fort had the right idea. Follow the data. Be vigilant in questioning your own preconceptions and built-in biases. Actively read opinions that contradict what you feel to be the truth. <br><br>One quick example:<br><br>I'm on a fairly high-traffic UFO abductee mailing list. There are no skeptics, just people who have had an abduction experience (or believe they have). When Susan Clancy's research came out, in which she proposes that sleep paralysis is the cause of all abduction memories, the list participants spewed invective at her and ridiculed the research. They took her conclusions as insults to their own credibility.<br><br>When I suggested that Clancy's research might hold some important clues to the psychic, neurochemical, or non-physical nature of abductions, I became a heretic.<br><br>I'm grateful that my father taught me this lesson when I was very young and getting wrapped up in material from a fundamentalist Christian organization. He sat me down and gave me the most important talk of our relationship -- one that still guides me.<br><br>He said I didn't have to believe the material. I didn't have to commit to the "truth" of what I was reading. He gave me an analogy of a filing cabinet in my head. Instead of filing material in "believe" (true) or "don't believe" (false), he suggested just filing the material and letting it sit. Over time, I could analyze the way things were filed, and note trends, clumps of data, and which files were filling up vs. which were nearly empty.<br><br>It's an analogy that has served me well, so I thought I'd offer it here. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Libraries, easy to purge.

Postby starroute » Mon Feb 06, 2006 5:24 pm

It isn't just a matter of current books going missing. I've noticed that, by default, the history of the 20th century is being written largely by the right (and the mushy middle.) For example, when I tried to research the American Nazis and crypto-Nazis of the 1930's and 40's, all I found online was right-wing defenses of their actions. There was almost no representation of the left-wing and progressive voices of the period.<br><br>This is not merely a problem of the Net. The books of people like George Seldes are simply not available, whereas the old right-wing publications are kept in print forever. This may in part be because the left simply doesn't have the long-lived organizations, publishing houses, and deep-pocketed sugar daddies to keep low-demand items around. But at my more tinfoil moments, I start to wonder whether the endless extensions of copyright are not there just to protect Mickey Mouse but are also intended to ensure that the alternative voices of the 30's and 40's get buried permanently.<br><br>I personally wouldn't know where to start, or how to get copies of the relevant material if I could identify it, but I would love to see crucial readings from that period available online. It isn't just facts or opinions that are being lost -- it's an entire alternative worldview that has dropped out of public consciousness as if it had never existed. And that wholesale rewriting of reality is something worse than a crime -- it's an ontological blasphemy.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Libraries, easy to purge.

Postby sunny » Mon Feb 06, 2006 5:32 pm

Here is a link to George Seldes books:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.bookfinder.com/search/?author=George+Seldes&title=&submit=Begin+search&new_used=*¤cy=USD&mode=basic&st=sr&ac=qr">www.bookfinder.com/search...t=sr&ac=qr</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Libraries, easy to purge.

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Mon Feb 06, 2006 5:40 pm

The Data Dump online pdf books forum at this site is valuable and I steer people to it all the time.<br><br>Notice that AOL and Yahoo are about to start a premium email system giving preferred non-spam filtered service to those who pay for it while stripping out original links in everyone else's free email.<br><br>'Spam-jacketing' subversive info is already going on along with mystery filtering by parents to protect their kids from boogeymen.<br><br>The ability to transfer info digitally as a grassroots politicals education campaign is diminishing rapidly.<br><br>Hard copies are going to remain valuable for Americans not online.<br>Keep your printer working. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Libraries, easy to purge.

Postby robertdreed » Mon Feb 06, 2006 6:20 pm

I also recommend programs like Quadsucker, which are able to download entire website archives. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Sophisticated Framing

Postby antiaristo » Mon Feb 06, 2006 8:31 pm

I'd like to tell you all a little story.<br><br>In 1986 the British Government announced that the British Library would be rebuilt.<br><br>The world of letters was stunned. "But why?" Nobody had asked for this.<br><br>Serious scholars were horrified at the prospect of losing the Reading Room.<br><br>They loved it for itself and they loved it for its history. This workroom for, amongst many, Charles Dickens and Karl Marx.<br><br>Nobody ever came up with a halfway sensible rationale, but still the project went ahead.<br><br>It lasted from 1986 to 1999.<br><br>During those thirteen years absolute chaos reigned. Some of the fuckups were so ridiculous you knew that something funny was going on.<br><br>By 1999 two thoughts had gelled in my head. The first was the growing realisation that HM Government was HUGELY CORRUPT, even though nothing was being reported. The second was that the inexplicable goings on at the British Library might be related to the first.<br><br>So I did what I always do. I put my insights to paper, directed it to a well-known figure with some direct responsibility, cc'd it to five or so with some indirect responsibility, and sent out a further large number of copies to those with an interest.<br><br>A few months later, the reconstruction was announced as complete.<br><br>I don't have a copy of my letter easily available. It is in one of the many piles of paper strewn about the room and I don't have the inclination to prove my veracity any further in this forum. So you can believe me or not, as you wish.<br><br>When you read these "guidelines" being explained by the wise ones you should bear this story in mind. Frankly there is NOTHING INCRIMINATING LEFT in official sources. It has all been sanitised.<br><br>Here's something else you should bear in mind.<br><br>The Windsors now HAVE TO DEAL WITH DIANA.<br><br>Yesterday they tried a modified limited hangout. Testing the water.<br><br>You only have to know about what happened just over two years ago to know that Stevens is a liar.<br><br>But do you know what? The original story is no longer available on the Net. Even the Mirror has scrubbed its record clean.<br><br>This is something you CAN check out for yourselves<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm10.showMessage?topicID=2981.topic">p216.ezboard.com/frigorou...2981.topic</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>I posted that yesterday. This is history being determined in real time. It has now sunk to page 2, with no replies.<br><br>And all this time that history is passing us by we are being lectured on how to use OFFICIAL resources.<br><br>Rigorous? What a load of bollocks. <p></p><i></i>
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RI as OPINT

Postby Iroquois » Mon Feb 06, 2006 10:40 pm

Those are useful guidelines for researching parapolitical theories, Dreams End. I try to adhere to a similar set of principles myself. Though, I think of RI more as a resource than a venue for posting the finished output of research. Blogs are a more suited medium for that type of material, in my opinion.<br><br>I see forums like Rigorous Intuition more as OPINT, or Open Source Intelligence operations for us plebs. Individually, not even the best full-time researcher can match the speed and sophistication of a cooperative network of amateurs. Though this system needs guidelines as well, and while those you posted above are helpful, they don't seem tailored to take best advantage of this system.<br><br>My follow-up post will be the complete text of a document called "Implementing Open Source Intelligence: A Distributed Contribution Model" by Dr. Anthony Fedanzo. It is from volume 1, issue 4 of the Open Source Quarterly by Open Source Publishing. URL: <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.osint.org/osq/v1n4/implementing.htm">www.osint.org/osq/v1n4/implementing.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Here are a few guidelines I came up with this evening about how to encourage better use of RI for OPINT.:<br><br>1) Because timeliness can be critical as we are often dealing with very serious issues in real time, posters should feel welcome to submit material that is not adequately vetted as long as they make that point clear in the post and as long as they provide the originating source. Another poster more familiar with either the subject or the source may be able to verify the data much more quickly, getting accurate information to those who need it much faster. It is also likely that some make better sources of data and others better analysts.<br><br>2) Every post should be viewed by posters as well as readers as a question posed to the rest of the group as if "does this sound right to the rest of you?" is tacked to the end of those that are not actually formatted as questions. <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>On edit: I was thinking more of theories with this guideline. It may not really fit with "every" post.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>3) Encourage good posts by acknowledging them. That recognition is the only external reward for hard work at RI. Without encouragement, good sources of information and analysis will likely lose interest over time, or find other venues where their talent is more appreciated.<br><br>4) Do your best to keep your egos in check. We all have them or else we would not be able to face all that propaganda and lies in the MSM (as well as the various disinfo and poor research that poorly formed theories that informs much of the alternative media) and all of our friends and family that accept it and say without reservation "No, that's bunch of BS". But, this isn't about you (or any one of us for that matter). What is it about then? Actually, a mission statement would be very helpful. Maybe Jeff has one in mind. It would seem appropriate to let him weigh in first on that point. Then again, maybe I'm about to be collectively bopped on the head. So, the point may be moot anyway. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=iroquois@rigorousintuition>Iroquois</A> at: 2/6/06 7:57 pm<br></i>
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Re: Sophisticated Framing

Postby Avalon » Mon Feb 06, 2006 10:40 pm

<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>The books of people like George Seldes are simply not available, whereas the old right-wing publications are kept in print forever. This may in part be because the left simply doesn't have the long-lived organizations, publishing houses, and deep-pocketed sugar daddies to keep low-demand items around. But at my more tinfoil moments, I start to wonder whether the endless extensions of copyright are not there just to protect Mickey Mouse but are also intended to ensure that the alternative voices of the 30's and 40's get buried permanently.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>The economics of the book trade have changed the face of publishing greatly. Used to be you could have a warehouse of slow but steady backlist titles. But there were tax law changes that meant your backlist got taxed the same as a warehouse full of widgets, and that made it unprofitable to publish books that weren't going to sell real well.<br><br>For some of the older works from the thirties and forties, enterprising people could contact the publishers, or the estate of the author, and see if they'd release the rights. "Print on Demand" (POD) services are now becoming more prevalent. While not the most elegant of solutions, they offer the opportunity for texts to be revived rather than fade away.<br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Implementing Open Source Intelligence

Postby Iroquois » Mon Feb 06, 2006 10:42 pm

IMPLEMENTING OPEN SOURCE INTELLIGENCE:<br><br>A DISTRIBUTED CONTRIBUTION MODEL<br><br>By Dr. Anthony Fedanzo<br><br>I. Introduction<br><br>Open Source Intelligence (OSI) consists of any and all public domain information suitably collected and analyzed to meet an intelligence objective. Principal obstacles to implementing an effective OSI organization include the volume of information to be analyzed, coordination issues among requesters and responders, lack of standard formats, and incentives to participate. Other obstacles stemming from the need to integrate OSI products with present intelligence agency activities are not discussed here.<br><br>Traditionally, organizations manage information centrally. In loose terms, a single core group (the "brain") coordinates, stores, analyzes, distributes, and controls the rest of government's or industry's (the "body") intelligence information content and processes. All current major intelligence organizations both public and private are organized this way. The conceptual model proposed here for an OSI organization is a divergence from the traditional "organismic" concept of most information service organizations.<br><br>OSI requires a different model to effectively overcome the obstacles noted above. This model is that of a confederation of participants working under consensus with minimal central control and maximal cooperation. OSI can do without a singular "brain" to collect, analyze, summarize, and store information. Participants remain located where they presently live and work.<br><br>II. OSI Organizational Structure<br><br>Viewed as an organization chart, this proposed organization appears as a non-directed graph or lattice shaped into an amorphous mass of autonomous nodes with occasional clusters of nodes projecting outward. The projections are transient input and output loci. The image is more that of a spiny sea urchin, than the traditional pyramidal top-down chart.<br><br>Each projection represents a node(s) where requests for information are acknowledged and product delivered. There need not be one central coordinating body. Several may appear, service an information request, then merge back into the mass of information processors. A requester's access to the OSI organization defines where input-output occurs. Requesters themselves may be participants in the OSI organization.<br><br>The key features of this model are:<br><br> * autonomous, unpaid researchers;<br> * decentralized, non-standardized information<br> repositories;<br> * a common information exchange format and medium;<br> * a national dial-up computer network;<br> * low cost (or free) access to the exchange medium;<br> * multiple, concurrent ad hoc coordination bodies;<br> * continuous statistical and qualitative peer review of contributions for usefulness and quality;<br> * continuously updated listings of researches, their areas of experience, expertise, and interest.<br><br><br>Liaison with existing organizations requires establishing stable coordination bodies each charged with interfacing to an external organization. Hence, the OSI "organization" will not have a single "head," but multiple heads one for each external organization.<br><br>The task of these OSI coordination bodies is unlike that of traditional intelligence agencies. OSI coordination bodies will not store, summarize, edit, or otherwise filter intelligence products gained from the OSI organization as a whole. Their sole role is to pass requests into the organization, assure they are serviced, and pass the resulting output back to the requester. Clearly this removes a great deal of overhead.<br><br>A guiding principle of this loose confederation is the belief that people know more than computer science is able to emulate via search algorithms in the foreseeable future. Technology is not likely to satisfy OSI requirements if OSI's information management systems are built upon very large databases. If the data storage and access issues were not the limiting factors, the data entry and update factors would be. What this discussion proposes is to convert the heterogeneity of information resources into a strength rather than an obstacle to be overcome by some technological or administrative fiat. Diversity is a strength if it is polled rather than ordered about, queried rather than burdened with regulations, and has its need for free and open exchange of information satisfied at very low or no cost.<br><br>This proposal does not rely upon yet to be invented technologies or standards. Current trends in information processing technology are towards standardized information interchange formats, query languages, and data representation. However, these trends relatively are still in their infancy and subject to another decade of commercial market evaluation before an OSI organization could presuppose their common use. By the time they mature they will facilitate improved efficiency of the proposed OSI organization, not signal its obsolescence.<br><br>III. OSI Participants & Activities<br><br>Citizen Analysts<br><br>The constituents of the proposed OSI organization are electronically linked, geographically dispersed, predominantly unpaid amateurs from the standpoint of present intelligence professionals. OSI participants are citizen analysts, a term describing persons whose primary activity in life is not the collection, analysis, and presentation of intelligence, but some other way of life and employment.<br><br>Citizen analysts are free of employment contracts, performance reviews (except de facto reviews by their peers and information requesters), and all statutory obligations beyond those already existing for civilized behavior. They are at liberty to work with whatsoever information tools, techniques, methods, and resources they select. Citizen analysts are required to use OSI standard exchange formats and media for OSI products.<br><br>On the other side of the ledger, citizen analysts are not be able to charge expenses. Nor may they claim any form of compensation now or in the future from the OSI organization. They do receive a fixed minimum number of free hours of connect time to the OSI network.<br><br>Ideally, the incentive for participants consists of social recognition and psychological rewards stemming from voluntary service to the nation. More pragmatically, requesters can contract directly with citizen analysts or consortia of analysts for follow-on studies. Commercial firms that allow employees a few hours a week to participate might receive R&D tax credits, or the like. The OSI organization needs to receive a small percentage (1-2 percent) of any fees paid to OSI participants when those fees result from work gained through participation in the OSI network.<br><br>Commercial organizations utilizing OSI products might be required to pay a minimal fee scaled to the size/gross income of the organization. In no case should the cost of OSI products make them inaccessible to nonprofit organizations or small businesses.<br><br>Activities<br><br>OSI can be managed like an enormous town hall in continuous session by means of computer networking. Previous methods of analysis and collation of information relied upon a few specialists working in isolation, if not secrecy. The OSI model vastly increases the number of analysts and makes the forum public.<br><br>What the OSI citizen analysts "sees" on the network is a topic list of open questions and a sparse set of rules for interacting with others concerning those topics. The topic list is generated by requests for open source intelligence. It is the responsibility of the coordinating body to formulate the request in a simple direct fashion. Further, coordinating bodies must assure requests are posted generally and brought to the attention of participants with relevant expertise and interest.<br><br>Some rules are required to enforce ideals of brevity and the free exchange of ideas that can only come when people are not swamping one another with voluminous dialogue. These rules can be enforced either through a computer program or by a discussion moderator who arbitrates format, not content. Exceptions to the rules are allowed only by majority vote from the participants on a given topic, and only on rare occasions.<br><br>Topics tend to fall into three categories:<br><br> * continuing discussions and updates;<br> * focused inquiries with deadlines;<br> * requests for facts.<br><br>Examples of each type of topic are as follows.<br><br>Topics whose originators seek continually updated opinions and the widest possible dialogue should be run like today's BBS discussions. Individuals with contributions to make could do so electronically or via private e-mail to the requester.<br><br>Focused inquiries for which some timely stated opinion or resolution is required should be handled by an ad hoc group. This group works via electronic dialogue to formulate a response. Dissenting views necessarily become part of the response. Alternately, individual participants at large can be generally invited to submit succinct ideas of their own.<br><br>Requests for facts will be treated as open topics, with or without deadlines. Anyone can contribute a fact or discussion of fact. Contributions in open topics go directly to the requester who can end the topic when they are satisfied. Quality assurance in this system comes from two sources: requesters and peer review. Requesters are asked to comment briefly on the quality and timeliness of all OSI products. That commentary is e-mailed to all participants who had any involvement with the product.<br>Peer review is continuous and topical. Since no salaries or promotions derive from good/bad reviews, it is expected reviews will take the form of informal education rather than punitive processes. This is consistent with the principle that people are more productive when they are not punished for not knowing. Participants therefore have a vested interest in maintaining quality themselves.<br><br>What is important in the activities of OSI organization participants is their willingness to participate, relative freedom from "red tape," access to one another through a common medium, and rapid feedback from the consumers of their intelligence products. In this way the volume of information need not be managed as a whole, and the dangers of insularity and over specialization are minimized.<br><br>IV. Summary<br><br>An OSI organization can succeed if it focuses upon its mission, turns the shortcomings of present technology into advantages, and is willing to break with traditional organizational structures. It fails if it attempts to match information processing challenges with traditional solutions and organizations.<br><br>The OSI implementation model presented here is constructed to minimize the costs, infrastructure, and overhead needed to create a productive open source intelligence activity. This is accomplished by utilizing standards and hierarchies only at interfaces, not imposing them upon the individual participants and information sources. This type of organization can be attempted on a trial basis at very little cost.<br><br>Key features of this proposal are: its reliance upon individual knowledge to overcome present technical data management obstacles; reliance upon computer networking; voluntary participants; town hall style of interaction; minimal central coordination; multiple access paths; and, remarkably low overhead compared to many other intelligence activities.<br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>* Dr. Fedanzo has maintained an interest in information systems and intelligence since the late 1960's. He is the author of more than 30 articles in various academic and professional journals on subjects ranging from computer science, ecology, and forecasting.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Implementing Open Source Intelligence

Postby chiggerbit » Tue Feb 07, 2006 1:50 am

When this thread gets "done", it should be preserved in the data dump. But, will that be enough?<br><br>I worry that in the not-too-distant future there will no longer be a written collection of of critical thinking of this age unless it has been printed in the old-fashioned way. Entire languages can disappear in just one generation, as evidenced by American Indian tribes. How much are we depending on the ephemeral internet to record our thoughts and current history? If an entire language can disappear in one generation, can important critical, analytical thinking disappear in a matter of a few years or even months? Sometimes I worry that we rely too much on internet records. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Sophisticated Framing

Postby starroute » Tue Feb 07, 2006 1:54 am

Avalon said:<br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>The economics of the book trade have changed the face of publishing greatly. Used to be you could have a warehouse of slow but steady backlist titles. But there were tax law changes that meant your backlist got taxed the same as a warehouse full of widgets, and that made it unprofitable to publish books that weren't going to sell real well.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>Ah yes, <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.sfwa.org/bulletin/articles/thor.htm">Thor Power Tool</a><!--EZCODE LINK END-->. The Supreme Court decision that destroyed the midlist and left us with nothing but bestsellers and utter crap. It never occurred to me to think of it as having a political impact as well, but I'm sure you're right.<br><br>However, the other side of the equation is that much of the older left-wing writing got lost in the great McCarthyite purge, when anything that could be tarred as Communist-influenced became political poison to be associated with. The radicals of the 60's had to largely make things up froms scratch because that earlier work wasn't generally available -- and much of the 60's stuff has also gone missing since.<br><br>It's hard to have a tradition of radical activism when your memory keeps getting reset every generation.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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iUniverse and Qwestia

Postby robertdreed » Tue Feb 07, 2006 3:05 am

iUniverse, a new innovation in publishing <br><br>A sample title- the re-publication of the best reference work on the P2 Lodge I've yet found in English: Philip Willan's <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Puppetmasters: The Political Use Of Terror In Italy</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.iuniverse.com/bookstore/book_detail.asp?&isbn=0-595-24697-4">www.iuniverse.com/booksto...95-24697-4</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Another iUniverse title, formerly out of print: <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>The Bluegrass Conspiracy</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->, by Sally Denton <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.iuniverse.com/bookstore/book_detail.asp?isbn=0595196667">www.iuniverse.com/booksto...0595196667</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <br><br>I'm amazed to find out that it's #8 on their Top Ten list!<br><br>Also, Qwestia's superb on-line membership library: <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.qwestia.com/">www.qwestia.com/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=robertdreed>robertdreed</A> at: 2/7/06 2:49 am<br></i>
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On personal testimony

Postby biaothanatoi » Tue Feb 07, 2006 3:22 am

As you say, DE, disbelief is a risk you run when you put your story out there, and that’s something that everyone needs to be prepared for.<br><br>At the same time, the events behind some ‘stories’ can be so extreme that they compromise the capacity of the author to defend themselves. Ironically, those are the ‘stories’ that engender the most disbelief whilst being the ‘stories’ that need to be told the most. (See Lauren Stratford as a good example.)<br><br>In my (paid) work, I write articles and report, I speak at conferences, I sit on discussion panels in front of hundreds of people. I’m not ignorant of the importance of dialogue and debate. <br><br>But that work is qualitatively different to writing about witnessing an incidence of sexual torture and the aftermath, which usually included an attending doctor or police officer calling us both ‘crazy’ or accusing me of being the perpetrator.<br><br>This isn’t pointed at you at all, DE, and my most public roastings haven’t occurred on this board. What I would say is: Disbelief may be a natural consequence of putting a story out there, but ‘being told to go to hell’ is a natural consequence of poking a shocked and traumatized eye witness. <br><br>I risk the first one by putting my story out there, and respondents risk the second one by making the wrong call. <br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: On personal testimony

Postby Project Willow » Tue Feb 07, 2006 4:24 am

I wanted to comment on this earlier, but I can't really be objective. Denial and irrational demands for proof continue to contribute to real injury.<br><br>I guess I would say to researchers, err on the side of empathy when confronting people who have claimed to experienced something. Try other sources first. Are you really going to get the answers you want if people are upset by your questioning? <p></p><i></i>
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iUniverse

Postby yablonsky » Tue Feb 07, 2006 5:26 am

wow. what a blast from the past. iUniverse was a former client of mine/my company. i haven't given them a thought in 3 years since then. if asked i woulda thought they had been absorbed by someone. at the time i worked for them i recommended to my ma that she have her geneology work published through them. she looked into it and thought they were interesting but chose a tradional small print publisher instead.. cool find rdr.. <p></p><i></i>
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