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Postby Penguin » Tue Dec 02, 2008 7:17 pm

OP ED:
Do you like Meshuggah? About the only metal I listen to nowadays...I like their polyrhythmics and severely sharp riffing. Its well played stuff..

http://www.meshuggah.net/
http://www.myspace.com/meshuggah

You just cant beat swedes and finns in metal :P

I used to have Tool - Enima (?) years ago, when I still was more into metal...My old ears, nowadays they like smoother stuff. Thou some of the breaks and dnb stuff is way out there :)

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Ill go have a swim and then some sleep. Take care fellas!
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Postby OP ED » Tue Dec 02, 2008 7:49 pm

penguin:
Yes. (even seen them opening for Tool before)
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Postby zhivkov » Tue Dec 02, 2008 8:20 pm

Penguin-hope you get to feeling better! I will check out laser link you gave my cat definitely thinks lasers are fun! OE thanks for the bounty of new images here-have to agree with you about TOOL-I am not an expert on their work by any means but the more I look at them-like Reznor-way ahead of their time-I first noticed them I think it was in 93-when the Sober video came out-that wowed me.
My musical tastes vary in the extreme and I don't always listen to music by NIN, Ministry, TOOL etcetera but I admire them very much
Actually I think one of the most recent videos I put on utube faves was a 1966 hit by dionne warwick-i love the song-and it fits these extreme phases of melancholia I go through of course joy division and some songs by so called industrial rock can be very beautiful to me in this way also-something i can never have is also saved to favorites. Good to see you here also nathan-I am feeling extremely tired tonight and don't know if I will be back-I wish you all the best!-Z
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Postby OP ED » Wed Dec 03, 2008 4:40 am

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Postby zhivkov » Wed Dec 03, 2008 4:42 am

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Hi everyone-hope you are doing great-didn't expect to be back this eve/morn-I was just wondering if you are around OE,nathan Perlandra-Penguin-penguin would be really great since he is from one of those 'furrin' countries if you could click on my profile and stop at my site-even if it is just for a millisecond-i think? i added a widget that will show me different cities and countries coming in and i just want to collect em all as they say-hehe-its just an ocd type thing i have-collecting -its definitely not a vanity thing as I am sure my traffic-if there is any will be embarrassing!
I hope to be back tomorrow with something of some sort of substance-thanks again for this great thread and everyones thoughts!-Z
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Postby zhivkov » Wed Dec 03, 2008 4:43 am

cool OE didnt know you were doin stuff at the same time-will take a gander :D ok I stole all 3 images-I know I sound stupid-but where are they from ?
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Postby Penguin » Wed Dec 03, 2008 4:47 am

zhivkov:
Sure, um, mind giving me the link? I didnt spot it...
Mebbe me morning eyes...

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Postby OP ED » Wed Dec 03, 2008 4:48 am

Rome.

Curia Iulia. Now a Church.
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Postby OP ED » Wed Dec 03, 2008 4:49 am

we should go to the chat thingee
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Postby zhivkov » Wed Dec 03, 2008 4:59 am

rome-cool-should have known-here is the link
http://myfavoritemonsters.blogspot.com/
ps penguin i love the penguin hammer and sickle-yet another thing i would love a poster at from this thrad!-Z
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Postby Penguin » Wed Dec 03, 2008 5:33 am

I tried to find some large versions of that, so far no luck. Ill check later...
On your blog now, seems your widget works, shows my city correctly..

Another poster that shows why I like free software so much:

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Postby zhivkov » Wed Dec 03, 2008 5:36 am

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great stuff penguin-hope your cold didn't take hold sorry if this has been posted before- i am still very tech incompetent but I really enjoy the free software I have been able to use!

O and thanks for doing that-in my travels in europe i was so stupid to only stay in the central parts -never saw scandinavia or south europe-z
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Postby nathan28 » Wed Dec 03, 2008 10:43 am

Penguin wrote:zhivkov:
Sure, um, mind giving me the link? I didnt spot it...
Mebbe me morning eyes...

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That's where you're wrong, COMMIE.

FREEDOM ISN'T FREE.

don't ask me what "freedom" they are refering to that isn't free, because by definition that wouldn't be "freedom", and that might cause anyone who said that to have some cognitive dissonace

A few years ago I ran into someone in one of America's poorest cities, in a region of the country where "Power of Pride" Ameican flag bumper stickers were popular, I saw a truck with a bumper sticker of an American flag that read "Power of Humility". I have not been able to find an image of it on the intertubes. Anyone know where to look? I imagine the vendor selling them was probably dragged from the back of a pick-up truck for a mile or two.

On edit, I discovered I have to do some of what they call "reading". The guy who made them (or claims on a blog to have made a small batch of them, in the same city), only produced a very, very limited number of them and never did mass production. Thanks intertubes
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Postby Penguin » Wed Dec 03, 2008 11:44 am

nathan28:
Man, what are you trying to say? Im sure not grasping it.
That poster is a joke making fun of the American capitalists (mostly) who claim that there can be no such thing as people collaborating on a project if there isnt always money involved. They just dont get it.

And "free as in freedom" means a property of open source code, that is, you are allowed to modify it as much as you want, do whatever you like with it, AS LONG AS you also give out the modified code for OTHERS to do whatever they wish.

A phrase often seen "free as in free beer" means free as in NO PRICE attached. You CAN sell your "free as in freedom" code product for money - but you will still need to give out the source code for free. Free beer is a different matter - free beer could be Microsoft giving you Windows for free at a convention - you still wouldnt be allowed to touch the code internals of it.

So no, its not communism that poster is a JOKE. (Im not a communist either, but a co-operativist anarchist ;) )

Clear :)

Now let me quote Linus Torvalds himself, sure no commie:

Linus explains why open source works

Linus Torvalds is often described as an open source champion, interested in licensing only insofar as it affects his ability to share code and improve software more quickly. However, his real position is more complicated -- and to some, perhaps surprising.

Asked point-blank which is more important, sharing code or empowering users -- the declared goal of the free software champions whom Torvalds is routinely depicted as being in opposition with -- and his first response in what he calls "the usual Linus polite words" is "That's a really stupid question. Why do you put it as an 'either or' kind of concept?" He then goes on to explain that, because open source operates in the same manner as scientific query, and is a matter of enlightened self-interest, sharing code and empowering users "are not at odds at all"

Torvalds begins his explanation by talking about science, implying that free and open source software development falls into that category. The dichotomy in the question, he says, "makes no sense. Science clearly does empower humans, but, the fact is, it does so because it has hit on a working model of the universe, and the reason it has done that is because it has a process in place for getting there that works. Sharing information is a small part of that model.

"Human inquisitiveness is an even bigger part. The fact is, what's most important is people. How they are inquisitive, and want to figure out and control the world. How they all have that selfish interest in improving their own lot in life, and almost by mistake they then end up improving other people's lot in life, too, by uncovering some small detail that explains a bit more about the universe.

"The same is true of open source. It's not about 'sharing information' per se: that's just a small part of it -- it's a part of the tools to create better software."

Nor is open source about altruism in Torvalds' view. Instead, he sees it as a matter of enlightened self-interest. "That is worth celebrating: the constant individual struggle to improve your own standing. That little selfish person who tries to take advantage of everybody else by making the minimal possible outlay (preferably by using mostly the source code that somebody else has done) and incrementally improving it with relatively small effort."

The short-term result of this attitude, Torvalds says, is that "for a while, that person gains an advantage, because now the tool did what he wanted. And in the longer term, we all gain that knowledge. One small and meaningless advantage at a time, and it just builds up and up.

"That is where it's at. It's about 'empowering everybody' by letting some enterprising users empower themselves, and then taking advantage of it for everybody else."

Of course then there is Richard Stallman who started the GNU tools originally..
"All governments should be pressured to correct their abuses of human rights.
Richard Stallman

Anything that prevents you from being friendly, a good neighbour, is a terror tactic.
Richard Stallman

Control over the use of one's ideas really constitutes control over other people's lives; and it is usually used to make their lives more difficult.
Richard Stallman

Fighting patents one by one will never eliminate the danger of software patents, any more than swatting mosquitoes will eliminate malaria.
Richard Stallman

I could have made money this way, and perhaps amused myself writing code. But I knew that at the end of my career, I would look back on years of building walls to divide people, and feel I had spent my life making the world a worse place.
Richard Stallman

If programmers deserve to be rewarded for creating innovative programs, by the same token they deserve to be punished if they restrict the use of these programs.
Richard Stallman

If you want to accomplish something in the world, idealism is not enough - you need to choose a method that works to achieve the goal.
Richard Stallman "

Now would you like to clarify your comment, because for real, I cant make heads or tails of it.

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Postby Penguin » Wed Dec 03, 2008 12:31 pm

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