A New Europe: Anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, Nation-State

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Re: A New Europe: Anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, Nation-State

Postby Zombie Glenn Beck » Sun Feb 23, 2014 9:27 pm

American Dream » Sun Feb 23, 2014 8:59 pm wrote:I'm really with the No Platform for Fascists approach, especially given that: "This is an anti-fascist board. Propagation of fascist, neo-Nazi and "white pride" causes, including sympathetically linking to sites which advocate such, will not be permitted."

So take that shit to Stormfart, or jakell's fascist board in Britain.


So in other words, we cant discuss this anywhere. Also, apparently the same thread where you accuse several members of being fascists isnt the place to discuss your accusations that those people are fascist. And a thread with multiple posts about National Anarchism is also not the place to discuss National Anarchism. So you can go off topic, mainly to hurl baseless accusations at people, but god forbid they respond. Because that would violate the sanctity of your spam thread or something. We wouldnt want any actual discussion distracting people from the copypasta.

Yeah, Im done here. Keep up the good work. Your vigilance in keeping these endless linkspam threads up is the only thing keeping RI from becoming the next Reich. Dont forget to ignore all detractors, they may give the clever illusion that they disagree with you but in reality they are just another tentacle of the grand conspiracy. This is a completely logical and valid line of thought.
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Re: A New Europe: Anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, Nation-State

Postby Zombie Glenn Beck » Sun Feb 23, 2014 9:29 pm

One last thing, do you really not see the complete fucking insanity of citing "no platform for fascists" as an excuse to not give people a platform to defend themselves against accusations of being fascist? Why dont you throw me and Jakell off a cliff to see if we fly away.
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Re: A New Europe: Anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, Nation-State

Postby seemslikeadream » Sun Feb 23, 2014 9:30 pm

keeping RI from becoming the next Reich :rofl:


being one of the "you could be a fascist since 2007" join the club :P
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Re: A New Europe: Anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, Nation-State

Postby American Dream » Sun Feb 23, 2014 9:38 pm

Zombie Glenn Beck » Sun Feb 23, 2014 8:27 pm wrote:
American Dream » Sun Feb 23, 2014 8:59 pm wrote:I'm really with the No Platform for Fascists approach, especially given that: "This is an anti-fascist board. Propagation of fascist, neo-Nazi and "white pride" causes, including sympathetically linking to sites which advocate such, will not be permitted."

So take that shit to Stormfart, or jakell's fascist board in Britain.


So in other words, we cant discuss this anywhere. Also, apparently the same thread where you accuse several members of being fascists isnt the place to discuss your accusations that those people are fascist.


I won't support a forum to advocate for National Anarchism- for the reasons given previously- and the words you put in my mouth are not really what I said. I will certainly discuss my differences with jakell' but on a separate thread, as I have said so many times before.
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Re: A New Europe: Anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, Nation-State

Postby Zombie Glenn Beck » Sun Feb 23, 2014 9:40 pm

American Dream » Sun Feb 23, 2014 9:38 pm wrote:
Zombie Glenn Beck » Sun Feb 23, 2014 8:27 pm wrote:
American Dream » Sun Feb 23, 2014 8:59 pm wrote:I'm really with the No Platform for Fascists approach, especially given that: "This is an anti-fascist board. Propagation of fascist, neo-Nazi and "white pride" causes, including sympathetically linking to sites which advocate such, will not be permitted."

So take that shit to Stormfart, or jakell's fascist board in Britain.


So in other words, we cant discuss this anywhere. Also, apparently the same thread where you accuse several members of being fascists isnt the place to discuss your accusations that those people are fascist.


I won't support a forum to advocate for National Anarchism- for the reasons given previously- and the words you put in my mouth are not really what I said. I will certainly discuss my differences with jakell' but on a separate thread, as I have said so many times before.


What thread. What board. Ill make it right now.
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Re: A New Europe: Anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, Nation-State

Postby Zombie Glenn Beck » Sun Feb 23, 2014 10:05 pm

Waiting.
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Re: A New Europe: Anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, Nation-State

Postby seemslikeadream » Sun Feb 23, 2014 10:07 pm



here.... it may be awhile
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Re: A New Europe: Anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, Nation-State

Postby jakell » Sun Feb 23, 2014 10:14 pm

From observing the comments from other members about the proliferation of multiple threads around same issues, I am loathe to start a different one, plus I don't see the point, and it just seems like avoidance to me. I don't see why this thread is regarded as particularly 'sacred'.

I'm also getting the impression that there are deeper and more personal issues than politics arising here, and I'm dubious about wading in where there appear to be sensitivities.
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Re: A New Europe: Anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, Nation-State

Postby justdrew » Sun Feb 23, 2014 10:38 pm

if anyone knows anyone over at ConCen, they should stop the spamming of nazi/fascist/anti-jewish material and the rense crap. asap.
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Re: A New Europe: Anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, Nation-State

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Re: A New Europe: Anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, Nation-State

Postby jakell » Mon Feb 24, 2014 12:00 pm

In reference to the last part of my series on the rise and fall of the BNP, I left off with a mention of the appearance of Nick Griffin on Question Time.

This is nicely portrayed in six parts on Youtube, and on viewing it with the benefit of hindsight, it seems there is a lot more to be said that can be covered in one particular post, so I may try and dissect this over several posts, forming a miniseries, hopefully this will highlight separate areas of British far right thinking and form a framework for examining them.

Here 's the first part as a taster, I've only got some rough notes so far:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZlSAC8_cMY
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Re: A New Europe: Anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, Nation-State

Postby brainpanhandler » Mon Feb 24, 2014 2:40 pm

jakell » Sun Feb 23, 2014 1:12 pm wrote:If anyone wants to know what I think about certain things that have been mentioned, they could do worse to check out my responses that begin about half way down page 3 of this thread**:

http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=37657.


I'm more interested in what you wrote at the bottom of page 2 of that thread:

jakell » Sat Jan 25, 2014 7:11 pm at the bottom of the page wrote:
American Dream » Sat Jan 25, 2014 10:49 pm wrote:
slimmouse » Sat Jan 25, 2014 5:35 pm wrote: The world as it currently sits is in a big fukn mess.This mess is no better exemplified by the "Jewish" state of Israel. How best might we eradicate Anti semitism based upon such a serious truth?

Let's start by questioning cultural and racial nationalisms, and indeed racialism in general. Essentialism needs a thorough critique. Let's develop some good principles as we seek a post-Colonial. post-Capitalist, post-Racist and post-Patriarchal world.

In that we can oppose the social order in Israel/Palestine just as we oppose Settler Colonialism and its legacy worldwide. In doing this effectively, critical consciousness about all forms of bigotry- including Judeophobia- will be essential. This will mean really questioning strongly held beliefs and making deep changes...
TBH, I don't think much more questioning of cultural and racial nationalism can be done, and all that seems to have emerged as an alternative is some sort of globalist mish-mash, and this scenario is supported mainly by historically cheap oil and it's related infrastructure (soon to disappear).
In other words, globalism/multiculturalism is fragile and very expensive to maintain even the appearence of,

From what I can see, at this stage of our civilisation, is that people are still pretty tribal to a degree, and will not give this up after a certain point, no matter how much they are forced and/or cajoled. an alternative is to come to terms with these human tendencies, to try to prevent the most egregious aspects and avoid the desire to micro-manage and control the interpersonal stuff. To my mind, anarchism provides a good set of approaches to this.


I'm particularly interested in what you think the source of our human tendency to tribalism is.
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Re: A New Europe: Anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, Nation-State

Postby jakell » Mon Feb 24, 2014 3:03 pm

I would say habit, as is unfortunately the source of a lot of our tendencies. It's also an extension of our families and therefore what is deeply familiar.

It also works as a survival strategy when resources are low or if there are external threats. Observing how my Romany Slovak** neighbour's culture has survived various levels of persecution reinforces this to me.

**Approx 20-30 families in my neighbourhood alone.
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Re: A New Europe: Anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, Nation-State

Postby American Dream » Mon Feb 24, 2014 3:24 pm

http://angryarab.blogspot.com/2014/02/t ... s-are.html

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This is cute: fascists and Nazis are called "hard-core protesters" in the WP

"The self-defense militias, composed of hard-core protesters wearing military surplus helmets and mismatched body armor, were enlisted to guard government buildings and direct traffic."

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Re: A New Europe: Anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, Nation-State

Postby jakell » Mon Feb 24, 2014 3:52 pm

A few notes on the first section of Nick Griffin's Question Time appearance:




The first question asked here is a fair one. The BNP at the time were using Churchill's image a lot, as well as that of Spitfires* and an assortment of other WWII references. What was not fair was the presenter throwing it to Jack Straw first ,who seemed to relish this juicy bone, it really should have gone to Griffin. I don't know if this was a deliberate snub, or just bad manners.

One thing that I noticed is that he soon brought up race (three times emphasised in one minute), then Nazism and then both world wars, moving away from Churchill a bit. Churchill is a bit of a problematic figure in that he most certainly would have been no darling of the politically correct left. Jack Straw seemed to side step this by merely equating him with general fight against fascism, whereas he was really a nationalist defending his own country in a time of war

Griffin does quite well to get back to Churchill's character and avoiding ideological excursions talks about the man himself.

Bonnie Greer has a different angle on Churchill saying that he was not of 100% European descent and therefore would not have been allowed in the BNP. I'm not sure about their actual membership standards**, but I'm sure they were not. that strict or even exact.
She then goes on to imply that a political party that is based upon the idea of an indigenous people is questionable. This deserves further expansion as I see no solid reason for this.



* The BNP had actually used an image of a Spitfire from the Polish squadron on one of their fliers, as one of the complaints at the time was about Polish migrants, this was a bit of an own goal.


** Current to all this was an underlying issue. In that year, the BNP had been forced legally to amend their constitution so that it allowed non-whites to join. This had never really been an issue anyway as it was sort of self-reinforcing, but as the party grew, other parties were starting to take notice and seek parity.
The BNP stupidly chose to fight this, and lost, suffering both financially and in self-esteem
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