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Postby Marionumber1 » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:55 pm

Aside from some forays into the topic by Mae Brussell, Maury Terry, and Dave Emory during the 1980s, Dave McGowan's book Programmed to Kill was the first major exploration of the idea that "serial killers" often aren't what they appear to be at face value. In case after case, there is evidence pointing to additional perpetrators, mind control, unreported motives behind these supposedly random killings, links to organized crime (drugs and human trafficking), and a subverted criminal justice system. Not every anomaly that McGowan raises in his book is as meaningful as he makes them out to be, but many of them are, and they call for a reevaluation of many well-known cases.

On my CAVDEF wiki, I've been compiling a lot of evidence along the same lines as McGowan: http://cavdef.org/w/index.php?title=Serial_killers It covers most of what he does in the book but also expands on it with new discoveries. Because that CAVDEF page is essentially a data dump, I considered it worthwhile to post it on this section of the board (formerly called the Data Dump). And anyone who is doing the same type of research is invited to post it here.

Some noteworthy discoveries, at least to me, include:

  • When women began disappearing from the Seattle area in a series of grisly murders that would be attributed to Ted Bundy, several witnesses told the Seattle police that they had seen this "Ted" character leading cult meetings. And there are some curious indications that Bundy was not involved alone. As Bundy moved from Seattle to Utah and then Colorado, two persons-of-interest in the Seattle murders also moved to those locations at the same time, and they arguably fit the evidence better than Bundy. In Bundy's trial for the murder of Caryn Campbell in Aspen CO, the star witness identified not Bundy but Pitkin County Undersheriff Ben Meyers. Meyers had come to Pitkin County after resigning as Grand Junction CO police chief, which he did once investigators for Ken Botham began probing his financial dealings. Botham (who his sons maintain was framed) was on trial for the murder of Linda Miracle, killed just before she was able to come forward with "news that was going to shock the whole town". Miracle was one of numerous women murdered in Grand Junction in 1975, all of whom were involved in drugs and/or prostitution, often with police officers including the chief himself.
  • John Wayne Gacy clearly did not act alone. A prosecution witness actually testified in court that, as Gacy was raping him, there was another young man in front of him "giggling". One of the murders happened when plane records prove Gacy was not even in the state of Illinois. And victim John Mowery disappeared right after Gacy's employee Michael Rossi moved in with Mowery; according to Mowery's friends, Rossi was glad to see Mowery gone and once bragged that he knew about a secret location where a bunch of dead bodies were buried. Rossi and his co-worker David Cram admitted to digging graves in Gacy's crawlspace but claimed not to know they were graves. Another employee of Gacy's was Phillip Paske, a pimp of young boys and girls who worked with pedophile John Norman. Norman operated multiple pedophile networks with clients around the country, some of whom were "prominent people" and "federal employees in Washington". In a 1992 interview Gacy would point the finger at Rossi, Cram, and Paske, which most people dismissed even though it seems likely that all three of them were accomplices to Gacy, and even had victims of their own who Gacy did not kill. I posted an earlier thread about this here: http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=41197
  • The conviction of Bobby Joe Long relied mainly on fiber evidence done by star FBI analyst Michael Malone. In the late 90s, Malone was utterly discredited for falsifying fiber matches that didn't exist. As a St. Petersburg Times article on the scandal noted about the Bobby Joe Long case: "the Justice Department review raises the possibility that the fibers, which had color differences, came from different sources."
  • Bob Berdella of Kansas City, a sadistic killer similar to Gacy and Dahmer who tortured young men and boys while raping them, was well-connected within the city. He was formerly a chef at the city's most elite country clubs, fundraised for the mayor, was a liaison to boys' group homes, and somehow ended up as a drug counselor who a local judge would send addicted boys to for treatment. In fact, one of Berdella's victims was actually appointed to him by the court. Berdella told victim Chris Bryson, who managed to escape, that he was associated with others in town who also enjoyed sexually torturing young males. A Kansas City journalist who tried looking into Berdella's connections had her taped interview with Berdella seized and destroyed by authorities, then buried her evidence and left town.
  • Officially, there is no doubt that all the DNA from the Golden State Killer crimes points to the same person. But in reality, there were many problems with the DNA that suggest there could be as many as five different perpetrators. Contra Costa County's DNA initially didn't match that of Orange County, then later after supposedly being retested it did. Ventura County for whatever reason couldn't test Orange County's DNA profile on their own, and had to send theirs to Orange County to get a match. Santa Barbara County said outright that their DNA didn't match the Orange County profile; later, however, they allegedly discovered never-before-seen DNA at a different crime scene in their county that did match. Sacramento County, upon hearing the news of these other DNA matches, said that they hadn't done a DNA test yet but they might be open to doing one; this never happened and they later acted as if it was because they had destroyed all their rape kits, contradicting their previous admission that they could have tested the DNA.
  • A murdered prostitute whose killing was attributed to Joel Rifkin had been clubbed, manually strangled, wrapped in plastic, placed in a box, and dumped in the Hudson River, yet the coroner ruled her death a drug overdose. \<]
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Postby Wombaticus Rex » Sun Mar 24, 2019 11:48 am

Have you read Max Call's book on Lucas and the cult aspect? I am trying to track it down today, didn't realize there was a book-length treatment of this.
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Postby Marionumber1 » Mon Mar 25, 2019 1:52 am

I haven't read the book in depth, but I own a copy and I have skimmed over it. Obviously, much of it is hard to verify, given that it's a firsthand account from a man who has repeatedly changed his story about the number of murders he committed (anywhere from none besides his mother to over 600). But I believe there are enough solid facts to say that Lucas's story does have some truth to it. From p.17 of Painted Black by Carl Raschke, citing a Brownsville Herald article which I'm still trying to locate:

Finally, the Texas attorney general's office decided to take a second look at earlier statements by convicted mass killer Henry Lee Lucas, waiting on death row, that he had been connected with a satanic cult operating along the border of Texas and Mexico. Lucas had called the cult the "Hand of Death." Lucas's credibility had been in serious doubt because he had first "confessed" to the murder of 600 persons all around the United States, then withdrew his statements and said he was responsible for the deaths of only three victims, including his own mother. Three years earlier Lucas had drawn a map of cult killing sites for a Catholic lay worker from Georgetown named "Sister" Clemmie Schroeder, who had served as his spiritual advisor. Jim Boutwell, the sheriff of Texas' Williamson County who aided in a Texas Rangers task force that gathered the Lucas confessions, told a valley newspaper that investigators had verified Lucas was involved in cult activities. He also noted that he had seen a map similar to the one supplied by Sister Clemmie.


Prior to the Matamoros cult killings by Adolfo Constanzo's group, Lucas indicated a number of ritual sites in Mexico, so when the Matamoros story broke in 1989, the authorities were able to say outright that Lucas was telling the truth about his involvement in the Hand of Death cult.

And despite Lucas ultimately recanting all his murder confessions, a key member of the squad gathering Lucas's confessions actually went from disbelief to thinking that Lucas was a prolific serial killer. From The Unsolved Murder of Adam Walsh: Book Two: Finding the Victim by Arthur Jay Harris:

Phil Ryan, who as a Texas Ranger spent a great deal of time with Lucas and coordinated his meetings with detectives from other jurisdictions, quickly realized, he told me, that every detective needed to know what the previous detective who'd discussed the same case had already told Lucas.

[...]

Questions never adequately answered included, Were some of Lucas and Toole's confessions real but not others? Were they competing with each other in numbers of confessions? Were they serial killers, serial confessors, or both?

Often Lucas's information was very specific, and he drew surprisingly talented pencil drawings of who he said were his victims. Some of the women were nudes. But other times he and Toole were vague in terms of time, place, and circumstance. Ryan, who early in the investigation was dubious that Lucas had killed more than once, told me he now thinks Lucas actually committed about fifty murders—not the six hundred he claimed, but still enough to make him one of the worst criminals in modern history.


The recantations themselves are quite suspect, as Michael Newton explains on p.163-164 of The Encyclopedia of Serial Killers:

Lucas was barely home from that trip when the storm broke, on April 15. Writing for the Dallas Times-Herald, journalist Hugh Aynesworth prepared a series of headline articles, blasting the "massive hoax" that Lucas had perpetrated, misleading homicide investigators and the public, sometimes with connivance from the officers themselves. According to Aynesworth, over-zealous detectives had prompted Lucas with vital bits of information, coaching him through his confessions, deliberately ignoring evidence that placed him miles away from various murder scenes at the crucial moment. From jail, Lucas joined in by recanting his statements across the board. Aside from his mother, he claimed to have slain only two victims -Powell and Rich - in his life. By April 23, he was denying those crimes, despite the fact that he led police to Becky's grave, while Rich's bones had been recovered from his stove, at Stoneburg.

From the beginning, officers had been aware of Henry's penchant for exaggeration. One of his first alleged victims, a Virginia schoolteacher, was found alive and well by police. Some of his statements were clearly absurd, including confessions to murders in Spain and Japan, plus delivery of poison to the People's Temple cultists in Guyana. On the other hand, there were also problems with Henry's retraction. Soon after the Aynesworth story broke, Lucas smuggled a letter to authors Jerry Potter and Joel Norris, claiming that he had been drugged and forced to recant. A local minister, close to Lucas since his 1983 "conversion," produced a tape recording of Henry's voice, warning listeners not to believe the new stories emerging from prison.

The most curious part about Henry's new tale was the role of Hugh Aynesworth, himself. In his newspaper series, Aynesworth claimed to have known of the "hoax" - hearing the scheme from Henry's own lips since October 1983. A month later, on November 9, Aynesworth signed a contract to write Henry's biography. In September 1984, he appeared on the CBS-TV Nightwatch program, offering no objections as videotapes of the Lucas confessions were aired. As late as February 1985, Aynesworth published a Lucas interview in Penthouse magazine, prompting Henry with leading remarks about Lucas "killing furiously" and claiming victims "all over the country" in the 1970s. Through it all, the Times-Herald maintained stony silence, allowing the "hoax" to proceed, while dozens (or hundreds) of killers remained free on the basis of Henry's "false" confessions.

In retrospect, the Aynesworth series smells strongly of sour grapes. A clue to the author's motive is found in his first article, with a passing reference to the fact that Lucas had signed an exclusive publishing contract with a Waco used-car dealer -- shortly after his June 1983 arrest. The prior existence of that contract scuttled Aynesworth's deal, concocted five months later, and prevented him from winning fame as Lucas's biographer. The next best thing, perhaps, would be to foul the waters and prevent competitors from publishing a book about the case. (It is worth noting that Aynesworth omits all mention of his own contract with Lucas, while listing various authors who tried to "cash in" on the "hoax.")

Aynesworth produced an elaborate time-line to support his "fraud" story, comparing Henry's "known movements" with various crimes to discredit police, but the final product is riddled with flaws. Aynesworth rules out numerous murders by placing the Lucas-Toole meeting in 1979, while both killers and numerous independent witnesses describe an earlier meeting, in late 1976. (In fact, Lucas was living with Toole's family in 1978, a year before Aynesworth's acknowledged "first meeting.") The reporter cites pay records from Southeast Color Coat to prove that the killers seldom left Jacksonville, but office manager Eileen Knight recalls that they would often "come and go." (At the same time, Aynesworth places Lucas in West Virginia while he was working in Florida, the same error of which he accuses police.) According to Aynesworth, Lucas spent "all the time" between January and March 1978 with girlfriend Rhonda Knuckles, never leaving her side, but his version ignores the testimony of a surviving witness, tailed by Lucas across 200 miles of Colorado and New Mexico in February of that year. The woman remembers Henry's face - and she recorded his license number for police -- but her story is lost in Aynesworth's account. At one point, Aynesworth is so anxious to clear Henry's name that he lists one victim twice on the time-line, murdered on two occasions, four days apart, in July 1981.


Aynesworth is known to be a CIA asset who spread disinformation about the JFK assassination: https://kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/hugh-aynesworth-refusing-a-conspiracy-is-his-life-s-work

My current efforts have been focused on tracking down information about Don Meteric, the person who Lucas claims recruited him into the Hand of Death. I could only find sketchy information about this person, and the foreword to Max Call's book says that nearly every name in the book was fake, so Don Meteric might actually be an alias for whoever Lucas really named. I'd have to get my hands on the FBI interviews of Lucas to know exactly who he named as the cult recruiter.
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Postby elfismiles » Mon Mar 25, 2019 10:08 am

Ah yes, manic-satanic-panic cheerleader Raschke ... author of one of my favorite chapters in one of my favorite UFO books with my absolute favorite title:

Cyberbiological studies of the imaginal component in the UFO contact experience

UFOs: Ultraterrestrial Agents of Cultural Deconstruction by Carl Raschke

:threadhijacked: Sorry, Back To Topic ... which I am highly interested in despite my distraction. :shock:

Marionumber1 » 25 Mar 2019 05:52 wrote:I haven't read the book in depth, but I own a copy and I have skimmed over it. Obviously, much of it is hard to verify, given that it's a firsthand account from a man who has repeatedly changed his story about the number of murders he committed (anywhere from none besides his mother to over 600). But I believe there are enough solid facts to say that Lucas's story does have some truth to it. From p.17 of Painted Black by Carl Raschke, citing a Brownsville Herald article which I'm still trying to locate:

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Postby Marionumber1 » Mon Mar 25, 2019 1:31 pm

Yeah, I'm not thrilled at having to use Raschke as a source, which is why I've been trying to get the Brownsville Herald articles he cites so that I no longer have to do so. I own Painted Black, and I find much of what he writes in the book to be pretty absurd (like concern over the Satanic influence of heavy metal and D&D). He also seems to be a right-wing law-and-order type, given that he writes in the foreword about how distressed he was by all the protest movements in the 1960s, and viewed them as a sign of America's godlessness. But he is good at citing his sources, and I'm reasonably confident in his coverage of the Matamoros cult case because that's pulled mostly from local news articles.
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Postby drstrangelove » Sat Mar 05, 2022 9:14 am

Dean Corll(The Candyman) was linked by one of his accomplices to a child sex ring operating out of dallas texas.

The oakland country child killer (Chris Busch 1 of them) linked to North Fox Island child sex ring. True Detective tv show is loosely based on this case.

An academic from the university of Texas called Tom Philpot tried to blow the lid off this thing back in 1981: https://www.winterwatch.net/2020/03/dr- ... -for-sale/ He did not sugar coat it. Brutal rape, torture, and murder of young boys. snuff.



That's Mark McKinnon(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_McKinnon) from 'The Circus' being interviewed alongside Philpot. His career trajectory went up and up after this while Philpot gets shot in his house by an armed intruder not long after and ends up dead in the 1990s. Suicide they say.

The whole thing blew up in the 1970s, was covered up with the santatic panic in the 1980s, then died on the vine in the 1990s.

Then there's the JonBenet Ramsay case and the theory her dad pimped her out to one of these rings.

The Atlanta child murders linked to a child porngraphy ring. Mindhunter season 3 covers this case and the show actually alludes to such a thing if you pay close attention.

There's a totality of evidence here waiting to be put together. But what you'd end up with is something, that if true, would people even want to know about it? It would be like getting unplugged from the matrix to find yourself in hell.
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Postby drstrangelove » Sat Mar 05, 2022 9:26 am

I think it was, like most corrupted elements of the American political system, imported from Britain. There you can trace a link with this kind of stuff going all the way back to the 18th century Hellfire clubs.

'History of orgies' by burgo partridge covers this.
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Postby drstrangelove » Sun Mar 20, 2022 11:50 pm

Mario, ever come across anything concrete linking Bill Byars to the Dean Corll/John Norman ring? There's the connection to Roy Ames, another Houston child pornographer. But Byar was from Tyler, Texas, a city situated between Dallas and Houston. His operation was raided by police a couple months after the Corll case broke, sept 1973, and one of the people arrested in the Byars ring was a Houston photographer named William Johnson.
- https://www.newspapers.com/image/?clipp ... TZfdlEvfeg

Mr Waldrop mentions his sons hanging around a Bill Walls along with Roy Ames. But a "Bill" is referred to multiple times as if it's an unidentified man, surname uncertain?

MR. WALDROP CALLED THIS OFFICE AND STATED THAT HE HAD SOME NEW INFORMATION IN THIS CASE. SUBJECT STATED THAT HE HAD SEARCHED AROUND AND FOUND A FOUND NUMBER FROM A RELIABLE SOURCE AND THAT HE HAD CALLED THE NUMBER AND ASKED for a MAN NAMED "BILL". WHILE HE WAS WAITING FOR THE SUBJECT TO COME TO THE PHONE HE THOUGHT HE HEARD ONE OF HIS SONS TALKING OR MAKING SOME NOISE IN THE BACKGROUND. WHEN "BILL" CAME TO THE PHONE MR. WALDROP STATED THAT HE TRIED TO GET THE ADDRESS OF WHERE HE WAS BUT WAS UNABLE TO GET THIS INFORMATION. MR. WALDROP ALSO STATED THAT HE WAS PRETTY SURE THAT THEY WERE HAVING A SEX PARTY GOING ON AT THAT ADDRESS AT THAT TIME.

OFFICER STRICKLAND CHECKED THE CRISS CROSS AND FOUND THAT NUMBER BELONGING TO A JOHN L. JORDON, AND UPON CHECKING TO SEE IF THE ADDRESS IS IN THE VICINITY OF MONTROSE AREA, as THAT IS WHERE MR WALDROP SAID THAT THE ADDRESS IS SUPPOSED TO BE, I FOUND THAT IT WAS NOT IN THAT AREA.

MR. WALDROP CALLED LATER AND STATED THAT HIS DAUGHTER HAD SEEN A GREEN CARMEN GIAH V.W. AND THE DRIVER WAS THIS "BILL". HE STATED THAT THE LIC # IS RST 748 this is REGISTERED TO A JIM R. CLARE, 4045 LINKWOOD, THERE IS NO LISTING FOR THIS SUBJECT.

THIS OFFICER SUGGESTS THAT SOMEONE CONTACT THE PHONE CO. AND SEE IF THIS NUMBER ABOVE MIGHT CO-INCIDE WITH JIM R. CLARE.............P.W. STRICKLAND"


Evidence is scant:
1. Bill Byars is from Texas.
2. Operates child pornography ring in Cali busted a few months after Deal Corll is killed in Houston.
3. Father of Corll victims names a Bill(Walls?) along with Roy Ames.
4. A William(Bill) Johnson, a photographer in Houston, is arrested as part of the Bill Byars ring.

Easily debunked if Bill Walls was identified as someone other than William Johnston.
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Postby Marionumber1 » Wed Mar 23, 2022 1:05 am

I have never found anything direct, but authorities were interested in that possibility at the time because some of the victims did come from Texas (San Bernardino County Sun, "2 arrested for using boys as 'sex' actors", 1973/09/03):

Police said they were checking with Texas authorities in Dallas and Houston to find out whether there is any connection with an alleged ring in Texas which supplied hundreds of teenage boys as prostitutes for older men across the country.

None of the boys found at the scene of the arrests was from Texas, but police said some of the other children used in the pornographic films apparently were.


We also know that Corll's ring had connections to Los Angeles. The Houston PD docs (in report 6) describe the story told by LAPD informant Steven Dale Ahern, an LA-area male prostitute who was invited to Houston to meet members of their local pedophile ring, including Roy Ames and Dean Corll.

We, Young and Baker continued this investigation and this information compiled was the result of a letter from a subject named: STEVEN DALE AHERN, 9022 Orion #2, Sepulveda, Cal.

This letter was postmarked 24 Aug 1973 and it contained information to the effect that this individual was a Homosexual, male prostitute and a model for Pornographic films. He went on to say that there was a larger organization in the city of Houston and hat in the pornographic field this was a large operation with films, books and photos. This subject went on to say that he had been here in 1971 after running an add in the underground newspaper called The Advocate and he received a call from Houston and was brought to Houston with his fare paid and he states that while here that he found a large pornographic empire and the exploitation of young boys.. Ahern also said that while here he was photographed by a WM Named ROY AMES and then spent the night with Ames lover and this was a WM named CHARLES ANSON and he was about 20-23 yrs of age. He also said that the recent victims were photographed by Ames and he can ID one of the victims who appeared in the porno magazine " MORE THAN 7" #1. Also Ames in Houston is supposed to have an interest in BONANZA CO and most of these magazines feature boys from Houston. Ahern says that ROY AMES KNEW DEAN CORLL and used him to exploit young boys. AHERN mentioned several other books and a little more information and this is in the letter attached to this report.

Officers thought that this information should be checked out and a call was made to the LA PD and the CI division was contacted by the CI division here after we had discussed this with them and the LA PD knows of this AHERN and they mentioned that he is a member of the NAZI PARTY and writes letters and some of the information he comes up with is good.


As a curious side note, Ahern made a threat against Robert F. Kennedy in March 1968, a couple months before his assassination. He said that he had "an urge to kill Senator Kennedy for some reason which he was unable to explain within himself". Researcher Ed Sanders suggests that this may have been an early test run by the assassination plotters to see how RFK's security detail would respond.

On p.99 of the Pasadena TX police records, there is an interesting note about Corll's possible tie to a series of homosexual murders in the 1970s that the LAPD was investigating. These were the Freeway Killer murders, referring either to Patrick Kearney (who, by the way, claims to have traveled with Lee Harvey Oswald) or Randy Kraft. These LAPD officers had been told by one of their informants that one of their suspects in these murders knew Corll, having met him in New Orleans and then later in Pasadena and Houston.

Finally, Guy Strait, who was Byars' partner in the operation, did later acknowledge knowing and working with John Norman (Chicago Tribune, "His only regret: I got caught", 1977/05/17):

Strait said he knows John Norman, who ran a national male prostitution ring employing young boys and helping put together a "neater package" to attract customers. He also said he wrote an article for Hermes magazine, a Chicago-based journal publishing philosophy and sex stories of "boy love."


Lots of signs pointing to a connection, but I don't think it's been definitively established yet. Your observation about this unknown "Bill" might be very significant, though.
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Postby drstrangelove » Wed Mar 23, 2022 3:06 am

Not sure if you got them on your site, but here are the primary sources of the statements made by both Henley and Brooks about Corll working for an "organisation out of Dallas". These are referenced in the trial and in newspaper articles but I hadn't come across the actual primary source statements till now.

Henley signed affidavit 9th Aug '73:
“. . .and he took me to Dean Corll. Dean told me that he belonged to an organization out of Dallas that bought and sold boys, ran whore and dope and stuff like that. Dean told me that he would pay me $200 at least for every boy that I could bring and maybe more if they were real good looking boys.”

- source: 1973_J123450102.jpg (ffrom that folder of photo copies of the case files)
“I have come within an inch of killing him(Corll) but I just never got up enough nerve to do it until yesterday, because Dean had told me that his organization would get me if I ever did anything to him.”

- source:1973_J123450103.jpg (from that folder of photo copies of the case files)

Brooks signed affidavit 9th Aug '73:
Brooks signed confession statement,
“During one of our conversations Dean mentioned that there was a group of people in Dallas which had similar activities to his. He mentioned a man by the name of Art who he said had also killed some boys in Dallas. One day while I was at his house I picked up a piece of paper with the name Art on it and all of a phone number but the last number and the area code was 214. Deal also mentioned Art has a wife. Lately Dean has been wanting to do to Dallas and I believe was supose to go at the end of this month.”

- source: 1973_J123450105.jpg (from that folder of photo copies of the case files)

I might add that these confession statements were both given on the same day, that is one day after Corll's death. Henley's confession was timestamped at 11.55 am, and Brooks at 1.20 pm. The two were being held at two different police stations speaking to different police officers. It was impossible for them to have spoken as Henley had been in custody since the killing Corll. Brooks turned himself into police the next day, after hearing about it in the news or word mouth(I assume). The two couldn't of spoken unless through an intermediary, which gets into all kinds of conspiracy shit.

On the 10th Henley was placed in a padded cell, ostensibly due to a temperature complaint in his own holding cell. Very odd. A few days later the DA requested a psych examination of Henley but his lawyer blocked it. Also, Brooks father and uncle brought him into the station, and they were personal friends with a Lt. Bulcher there.

I haven't made it that far yet but IF Henley or Brooks ended up recanting on the Dallas connection statements, there is clear evidence they were made to do so.
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Postby drstrangelove » Wed Mar 23, 2022 11:43 pm

Statement by Rhonda Williams to police:
“Wayne has told Rhonda that he had been to Dallas several times with Dead and that a warehouse was in Dallas where she could make $1500 a week doing something illegal but Wayne reportedly had never told her what it was.”

- (source: D-68904 – Report – 4.pdf)
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Postby drstrangelove » Thu Mar 24, 2022 8:51 pm

Dean Corll subscribed to John Norman mail service?:
“(Brooks) saying that Dean Corll had been super secretive about his mail, picking it up at a post-office box, reading it then destroying it.”

- 1973_j123450099.jpg

“Brooks also mentioned that Dean often received sexually orientated material through the mail”

- D-68904 – Report -2.pdf

Dead Corrll post office box # 7551, Hguston, 77007
- D-68904 – Report -2.pdf
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Postby drstrangelove » Sat Mar 26, 2022 8:08 pm

I think this new york times article on the john norman dallas ring has been altered in their archives.

https://www.nytimes.com/1973/08/16/arch ... llass.html

DALLAS, Aug. 15 — The police here said today that they had uncovered a nationwide homosexual procurement ring in a raid on an apartment on the city's near north side.

Last night's raid turned up catalogue files containing the, names and addresses of 50,000 to 100,000 people around the country, the police said.

Also seized were booklets containing the pictures and names of teen‐aged and young adult males available through !the ring for homosexual activities, they said.

Capt. Bennie M. Newman, commander of the Police Youth Division, said today there was no immediate evidence to link the operation in Dallas with the discovery of the homosexual torture murder ring in Houston and 27 bodies of young boys and men.

“At this point I don't think it has anything to do with what happened in Houston,” Captain Newman said.
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The alleged leader of the ring, John Paul Norman, 45 years old, was freed today on $7,000 bond after the police filed charges of violation of state I narcotics laws, stemming from the seizure of marijuana in the apartment.

Charges of conspiracy to commit a felony‐sodomy and contributing to the delinquency of a juvenile were to be filed tomorrow. Five others arrested were released without charges.

It was learned that Norman has an arrest record in Houston for sexual assaults in 1954 and 1956, but disposition of the cases was not immediately known.

He also has convictions in California in 1963 for such assaults and in 1971 for sending obscene literature through the mail, a Federal charge. He was also committed to a state hospital by the California Department of Mental Hygiene as sex offender.

The authorities said that the ring, operating under the name of the Odyssey Foundation with a San Diego, Calif., post office box, became known last Friday when a 24‐year‐old member of the organization became panicky that the police were about to strike.

However, the police said they had been unaware of the operation until the man disclosed it.

Members of the Criminal Investigation Division's Special Investigations Unit and Youth Division, led by Lieut. Harold Hancock of the Intelligence Division, secured search warrants late yesterday afternoon.

The detectives raided the second‐floor apartment at 3716 Cole Avenue and seized files, pornographic literature, a camera, photo‐engraving equipment, stationery, an electric typewriter and hundreds of booklets with names and addresses. The confiscated material filled a pickup truck.

The literature and stationery bore the name “Epic International” and gave the address, apartment number and a tele phone number.

The ring, allegedly procured teen‐aged boys and young men, publishing their names, pietures, physical description, age and interests in the booklet.

Some of the youths were procured at bus stations, while others, apparently known homosexuals, were solicited by deter, according to Captain Newman.

Membership in the operation was allegedly sold at $15 a year, with a $3 fee for the booklets.

According to the police, the teen‐agers and young men were called “fellows” while the homosexuals for whom they were procured were referred to as “sponsors.”

The sponsors were invited to fill out forms listing how long they wanted to have “fellow” in their homes, the police said. The “fellows” crisscrossed the country, staying with “sponsors” who then paid their air fare to the next city.

Captain Newman said the procured young men received expenses and some pocket money and usually stayed from one to three days before flying to another city.

The police here said the ring had apparently begun operation in May.

Assistant Police Chief Donald Steele reported that four pictures of young boys found in the apartment had the word written on them. However, the police said they were told the word referred to their removal from the procurement ring's literature because they were uncooperative and did not mean they had been ordered killed.


Chief Steele said United States postal inspectors and the Internal Revenue Service had entered the investigation of the ring, and he added:

“We're just scratching the surface. We don't know where it will lead. I've never seen anything like it.

Reaction in New York

James Murphy, director of program development for Odyssey House, a New York‐based drug rehabilitation program, said he was “shocked” at the use of the name.

“This is the first time we've been aware of anybody using our name in any alleged criminal activity,” he said.

“We have absolutely no connection with that group,” Mr. Murphy said.

Ronald Gold,. an official of the Gay. Activists Alliance in New York, said of the police report, “I haven't the faintest idea of whether the police outline's are true or not. I never heard of the group. The whole idea that because one person is older than another he is automatically an exploiter is ludicrous.


There is no context to the highlighted paragraph. What word was written on some of the photos taken of boys who were uncooperative?
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Postby Marionumber1 » Sat Mar 26, 2022 8:56 pm

The word written on boys' photos was "KILL", which is of course rather ominous in light of the Dean Corll case which broke less than a week prior. Charles Brisendine, the Odyssey Foundation employee who revealed the whole operation to police, was actually driven to blow the whistle because he suspected there was a link to Corll, and I believe the "KILL" annotations were a big part of why he thought so.

Even now, it is unfortunately quite hard to find definite proof that Norman and Corll were acquainted, but there is virtually no doubt that they were. Thank you for your last couple posts outlining the evidence of that connection which showed up in the Houston and Pasadena police files. One other correspondence: both used the gay community magazine The Advocate for recruiting, as Corll's network found Steven Dale Ahern through an ad he had placed in the magazine and Norman similarly recruited Brisendine that way.
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Postby drstrangelove » Sat Mar 26, 2022 9:19 pm

Do you know where I can find the primary source for the word "Kill". I'm writing something up and can't use anything that isn't cited.

Also,
“Dallas police told Sgt. Ronald Kelly, head of the Area 6 youth division, that they have information associating Norman with the ring that helped transport to Texas the 27 boys murdered in Houston in 1973 in widely publicised sex and sadism case”

- Chicago is center of national child pornography ring. Chicago Tribune, May 16 1977.
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