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Re: Interesting discussions

Postby Harvey » Wed Jul 28, 2021 9:24 am

Graham Hancock recapitulates the main themes from his excellent book, Supernatural.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/rsoDJZTOFP19/
And while we spoke of many things, fools and kings
This he said to me
"The greatest thing
You'll ever learn
Is just to love
And be loved
In return"


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Re: Interesting discussions

Postby Grizzly » Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:11 am

^^
Appreciate the Graham Hancock

On a different note..
Cancel culture in comedy?!



I'm sure this will offend someone here, so here's a warning for you knee-jerk types... who never look deeper than initial first impressions.
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Re: Interesting discussions

Postby Harvey » Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:16 am

Brilliant.
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Re: Interesting discussions

Postby Grizzly » Wed Oct 27, 2021 4:40 am

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Re: Interesting discussions

Postby Harvey » Mon Nov 01, 2021 8:57 pm

Harlan Ellison, Los Angeles Free Press column number 52, 1970:

52: 23 JANUARY, 1970

POISONED BY THE FANGS OF SPIRO: CONCLUSION

A wound neither as deep as a Chicago Conspiracy Trial nor as wide as two US Army sergeants being removed from their Armed Forces Radio posts when they told their audience that they were being censored and could not tell the troops what was really happening in the War. Neither as final as the silencing of Lenny Bruce ...nor as significant as the attempted whitewash of My Lai before the evidence piled up so high it couldn’t be denied (though Time reported last week that 54% of the American people still refuse to believe it happened); neither as painful as the police moving in on a recent Allen Ginsberg reading and first cutting off his mike, then putting on Muzak so he could not be heard ...nor as destructive as a Century City Riot; neither as debilitating as canceling Joyce Miller’s Encounter from KPFK because she was sniping at the Administration ...nor as horrendous as the Smothers Brothers being flushed out of sight; neither as permanent as the silencing of Seale, Cleaver, King, Malcolm X, JFK, RFK or George Lincoln Rockwell ...nor as ghastly as court-martialing soldiers who protest.

But when Glenn Ray panicked at the two or three phone calls he’d gotten from parents of students to whom I’d spoken, parents who didn’t want their kids to hear any opinions but ones approved by the Good Housekeeping seal...when he grew terrified that his petty sinecure at the Center was in danger...when he realized that after the defeat of the schoolbond levy he was in a vulnerable position...when push came to shove and he had to suddenly stand behind the free speech and dissent he had so liberally championed to all those kids...the poison from the fangs of Spiro took effect, and he canceled me out.

What happened next happened so fast, some of it may have been rumor, some of it may have been nightmare, some of it may have been reality, and some of it will stick with those kids for the rest of their lives. I was in a workshop session with John Baskin’s science fiction writing class when Barbara Benham—the creative writing director who’d hired me—stuck her head in and asked me to step into the hall.

“Glenn Ray canceled your speech for tonight,” she said.

I grew very calm. Two thousand years of racial memory of pogroms tookover and I grew very calm. “Well, let’s just go talk to Mr. Ray and see what’s happening,” I said.

The kids spilled out into the hall behind us. “What’s happening?” they asked. “What’s going on?”

“Go on back inside,” I said. “Glenn Ray canceled the lecture tonight. We’re going to go to his office and see if we can straighten it out. I’ll come back and tell you what went down.” They looked startled, uncertain and—unless you’ve seen it in the eyes of kids 12 to 16 years old you won’t know how it can chew on your heart—frightened.

“He can’t do that?!” yelled one girl. I smiled my best Robert-Culp-going-into-combat smile. Little baby, you have no idea how easily he can do that. We went to Ray’s office, Miss Benham and myself. He was sitting behind his desk. Jack DeVelbiss, the Administrative Director, was conveniently out of town or hiding out or comatose, god only knew what. So this was Ray’s play, all by his lonesome. There was no love lost between us (and all this in two days). He had openly implied to other faculty members that despite the fact that Miss Benham was living elsewhere while I used her apartment for my stay in Dayton, there was something seedy and clandestine about it. Mr. Ray was lucky he never said that in front of her boy friend, John Baskin, who could separate Mr. Ray’s tibia and fibula like a chicken leg without too much effort. He had evinced dislike for me that stemmed - I was told by another faculty member - from my “weird” clothes, my constant talk of sex, my seeming refusal to deal with him as an authority figure, and because of that strange class (strange to him, that is) in which I’d been able to relate to, and communicate with, black kids though Ray, nominally Negro, could not. So there we were, nose to nose. What he said and what he meant were studies in the art of lying rationally, justifying evil in the name of good, and otherwise burning down the Reich stag himself so Spiro Hitler could acquire the reins of power.

“What seems to be the trouble?” I asked him.

“I’m canceling the balance of your contract here.”

“Oh, really? How come?”

“I’ve decided you don’t have the best interests of the Center at heart,” is what he said. I’ve decided you are making waves, saying things that will get the parents looking at us more closely, is what he thought.

“You aren’t relating to the children,” is what he said. You’re getting through to them and they’re going back home and asking questions and I’m getting phone calls, is what he thought.

“You’re turning a lot of them off,” is what he said. You’re turning me off, is what he thought.

“You’re not fulfilling the role of a guest artist here,” is what he said. You weren’t supposed to talk politics or start trouble, is what he thought.

“I can’t take a chance on your delivering a talk tonight that will cause the Center trouble. Our position is very uncertain right now,” is what he said. I’m scared shitless you’ll offend the Middle Americans and I’ll lose my job, is what he thought.

“Anything else?” I said.

“Yes; frankly, you have a foul mouth. It doesn’t offend me, you understand, but it has turned off some of the children.”

I quote to you now from an article in the Dayton Journal Herald dated 17 December 69, headlined ARTS CENTER CANCELS WRITER (pars. 8 &9).

“Students who were with Ellison at the center yesterday said his blunt language might have been interpreted by Ray as offensive.“‘ He used a couple of beauties,” a student said regarding Ellison’s speech, “but it didn’t bother anyone.” What Ray said to me, and what he meant, were light-years apart.

“We’ll pay you the balance of your fee,” Ray said. He had to. We had a contract.

“Thank you, but I don’t think I’ll accept it,” I answered. “Just my expenses will do.”

“Great,” grinned Ray. “We can use the money.” I suddenly had the feeling my ethics had made me a patsy. Even so, I suggested to him that he was being hasty, and that if he felt the night’s lecture was going to be a debacle, I’d show him the material I’d prepared: an essay on creativity, a short story in the form of a fantasy about returning to one’s childhood, and some anecdotes.

“My mind is made up,” he said.

“You don’t want any facts to get in the way, is that it?” I asked.

“You’re turning the children off,” he said. It was the one thing that could stop me cold. I bit on it, despite that photo in the Dayton Daily News of the session at which the kids were rocking with laughter. What I didn’t know was that in the Evaluation Sheets that had been given out to the black students from Dunbar High School and their teacher, I’d been lauded as having delivered a wild, groovy hour talk, and they wanted to come back again. Had I known that, I would not have acquiesced so quietly. But after all, he was the Director, wasn’t he? He knew what went down with the kids. Didn’t he? Sure he did. So I went back to John Baskin’s class, and told him and the kids what had happened. The next thing I knew, there was a children’s crusade.(Bear in mind, these are not seasoned dissenters of whom I write. They are kids from twelve years old on up to maybe sixteen, middle-class mid-American, never been in a protest scene, never been beaten on by policeclubs.)

They stormed Glenn Ray’s office. “You can’t talk like a liberal and then cop out!” one girl shrieked. “If this is the way you’re gonna live up to what you tell us, you can take your Center and shove it up your ass!” howled a boy of fifteen, then he turned so we wouldn’t see him crying, and stormed out of the building. Little Nancy Henry, not yet in her teens, daughter of a Dayton policeman, began weeping, trying to get her voice high enough to yell, “You can’t do this! You can’t! We won’t let you!” One black kid summed it up, to Ray. “Man, you talk the talk, but you don’t walk the walk.”

I didn’t want a bad scene, and I heard Barbara Benham urging them to go back to the classroom, to wait for their protest. Some did, some didn’t. Many hung around outside Glenn Ray’s office. At this point my mind went away, and so did my lust for reportorial accuracy. Did they throw Glenn Ray out of his office and take it over? Did Ray call the police on the little kids? I’ve got three different stories, all of them culminating in a riot. I went back to Benham’s apartment and later that night a mass of people who had come in from Antioch and Columbus and other cities came and sat around on the floor and looked woebegone. They all kept telling me, “This isn’t what Dayton’s like...honest!” But it is, friends. It is also what College Station, Texas’s like and Altoona, Pennsylvania and Madeira Beach, Florida and Seattle, Washington and Wheatland, Wyoming. It is the time of the Middle Americans, friends. It is the day of the Silent Majority.

And we are moving into a period of repression that will make the McCarthy era seem like the Age of Enlightenment. I said that was the theme of this three-parter way back at the beginning of this outpouring, and as soon as I give you a few more loose ends on Dayton I’ll deal with Spiro, tv, the wave of fear that’s backlashing us, and try to pry some sense out of the rubble. That night, after the mourners left, John Baskin, Barbara Benham and I sat and talked. We talked about John’s fury at what had happened, and how he had used the riotous scene to make some strong points with the kids about liberalism meaning nothing if you fold when the pressure’s on.

We talked about Ray’s intentions of getting Barbara fired, and how it had been that, more than anything, that had kept me from putting Ray against the wall. We talked about the sudden appearance at the evening’s wake of Hugh McDiarmid, City Editor of the Journal Herald, and his amazing remark: “I wanted to meet you, Ellison. My god, you’re awfully small to have caused all this trouble.”

We talked about my speaking to the final session of the science fiction workshop the next day ...in the Benham apartment. The next day there was even more talk. But it all went on at the Center, with DeVelbiss and Ray talking to the faculty, talking to Barbara Benham, talking to the newspapers (the headline reads LIVING ARTS GUEST ‘DIDN’T FULFILL ROLE’), talking to each other and very probably talking to themselves. Finally, I got a delayed case of being pissed-off. Here were these two “administrators,” down there at the Center, bum rapping me and telling theworld their idiotic position was justified because I was a moral leper. I decided to really make waves. But when I finally confronted Ray and DeVelbiss in the Center, it was apparent if I pursued my plan—to insist they pay me the full fourteen hundred dollar fee, and use it to hire Asher Bogen, Dayton’s best attorney, and sue them for defamation of character and anything else I could think of - they would fire Barbara Benham out of serendipitous vengefulness. I backed off. In fact, I offered to stay on, at my own expense, and provide them with an opportunity to get off the hook by doing the evening lecture two days later, from material I would submit for their scrutiny.

But their position was so inflexible, they were unable to back off; thereby demonstrating the most debilitating aspect of educational confrontations:
inability to mediate, refusal to deal, concretization of posture because of a need to preserve ego and authority. So we made a deal, of sorts, after the following conversation:

ELLISON: I’ll take my money.
DeVELBISS: You turned it down when it was offered.
ELLISON: I changed my mind. I have a use for it now.
DeVELBISS: I don’t have to pay someone fourteen hundred dollars tocome in here and curse and cause trouble. If I want to do that, I can do it
myself, for free.
ELLISON: Yeah, but you were dumb enough to hire me to do it.

There was quite a lot more, and some threats, and some Raymond Chandler hard nosing, in which Mr. Ray understood that after I broke everybone in his body (though on reappraisal I realize if I’d broken him open, all I’d have gotten would have been jelly on my hands) I would sue him. Nott he Center, but him, personally, so he’d have no Board of Education money behind him. And after that I’d speak to a friend of mine quite high in the Health, Education and Welfare Department, and I’d make sure that they cutback the funds of the Center just enough to have to dispense with him ...nothing else, just him. So they paid me. And they promised they wouldn’t fire Barbara Benham. And, of course, they are honorable men. “So are they all, all honourable men—”

And so, I left Dayton. Neither as significant as the mass of current attempts to stifle dissent ...nor as permanent as the crimes committed against those who have spoken out, my Dayton foray was one with the terrors of these new times. What came out of those three days in mid-December? Only this: John Baskin, who taught the sf class, who stood up and told the administration they were wrong, who tried to pursue the matter in articles for his newspaper, the Dayton Daily News, who inspired his class kids with discussions of just what freedom of expression means—John Baskin was fired from the newspaper.

Perhaps there’s no connection. But ...Barbara Benham, who taught classes on revolution and the joys of being a “free spirit”—Barbara Benham has been cowed. Something has been stolen from her, at the precise moment it fell to her (as it falls to each of us) to discover whether she had enough courage to lose everything for that in which she believed...she found she did not.

The kids no longer trust Glenn Ray or the administration of the Center. They have been blunted once again with the knowledge that those who prattle about serving them, opening them, helping them—are merely exploiting them for their own personal aggrandizement. Those kids will be a trifle more cynical and bitter now. What came out of those three days was ugliness, cupidity, irrationality and, in microcosm, provides a key to the days into which we are moving.

Time picked the Middle Americans as their man and woman of the year .It picked them because Spiro Agnew and television have forged out of the fears and prejudices and know-nothing provincialism of the mass of middle-class Americans an army of dupes, to be used to destroy the very freedoms those people say they most respect. Repression, in the name of platitudes, is what destroyed half of Europe in the Thirties and Forties. It is what gave Joseph McCarthy his power. It is what has kept us fighting a senseless war for half a decade. It is the systematic terrorization of those who - likeBarbara Benham - have found it is easier to be a little bit frightened all the time, to acquiesce, to survive, than to ask the right questions, take the right chances, and discover for themselves that they are stronger than their puppet masters.

I watched William Buckley last Sunday, talking to three bright young men concerned with Our Times. He was glib, he was clever, and he made them look silly. But he dealt only with words. To hear him tell it, everything they chose to worry about - pollution, prejudice, repression, duplicity on the part of governments, censorship - all these were in their minds. It was merely a matter of using the right words. Even as Glenn Ray and JackDeVelbiss and the man who fired John Baskin use words. They say we are “not doing the job,” or we are “foul mouthed,” or we “don’t have the best interests of the Center at heart,” but these are just syntax. They are obfuscations. They are the eyewash used by men of weak will and frightened demeanor to keep the status quo free of waves. And through the use of the greatest propaganda medium the world hasever known, television, the puppet masters are duping an entire nation.

The thousands of letters in support of Spiro Agnew and his denunciation of newscasters who report any news but that which the Administration finds balming to its ego is eloquent testimony to the success of the hoodwinking. It is significant, I think, that on December 3rd the Writers Guild took a gutsy stand against Agnew and his pronouncements. Their press release said, in part:

“The Writers Guild of America, West, viewed with abhorrence the attacksof Vice President Agnew on the right of news and editorial media freely to analyze and criticize statements and policies of the administration. We found it shocking that the second officer of the nation dared to suggest that the Constitutional guarantee of the First Amendment, embodying the fundamental right of free speech, may not apply to tv commentators and should perhaps be abridged in the press as well. We are concerned that the President himself has not repudiated this assault on spoken and written opinion. We are aware of the curiously coordinated chorus of support for these attacks by three cabinet officers, the chairman of the Federal Communications Commission, and other office-holders. This kind of concerted pressure by Government on organs of public expression, and against individuals singled out by name, is exactly what we have condemned in our enemies. As writers who have faced censorship in many forms, we are not lulled by disclaimers that no censorship was implied, and condemn as repugnant and sinister any attack on the basic right of free expression. That right was meant to be exercised by Americans at any and all times, for or against any administration, policy or issue. That right was not meant to be altered or suspended following a particular speech, nor is it subject to any delays or qualifications imposed from above.”

I find the above curiously parallel to my situation in Dayton. And I find it significant that it was the writers who said it. When I began writing this column, little over a year ago, my first column dealt with what I called “the illiterate conspiracy against dissent.” The war on counter-opinion. At that time I conceded that the attack was an unarticulated one, that no cabal of men actually sat down in a room and said this week we silence this one, and next week we get that one. But even in one year the times have changed drastically. Faster than I’d thought possible. The conspiracy is open now. It comes down from the top. And because of its blatancy, men who were middle of the road have been pushed to their left, have become Liberals. Liberals have been jammed over into being Activists. The Activists have, against their will, become Militants...and the Militants, who saw what this year would become, have now hideously, horribly, without their wanting it ...been crammed all the way over into the Revolutionary Blood and Death position.

Television has given Agnew and his ilk the platform from which to martial the fear and stupidity of the masses. And those of us who began the year with sanity and hope for change, now see the Middle Americans totemized as the epitome of rationality and patriotism. Now we find ourselves on the edge of a darkling plain, looking out across a time in this country when weak men like Glenn Ray and Jack DeVelbiss will conscience any degradation of their ethics and morality in the name of not being singled-out as The Enemy. And the strong men will be picked off, one by one. They will be gagged and tried and salted away. And the darkness will creep across this land. Friends, you may not know it, but the war is on. The big war, and possibly the last war. It had a tiny skirmish in Dayton, and we lost it. The puppet masters in Dayton are not evil men, they are merely weak men. And it is that weakness that will kill us. The fangs of Spiro bite deep.
And while we spoke of many things, fools and kings
This he said to me
"The greatest thing
You'll ever learn
Is just to love
And be loved
In return"


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Re: Interesting discussions

Postby Harvey » Sat Dec 11, 2021 10:27 pm

For a change of pace, this discussion is at the very least, bloody fascinating.

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Postby Harvey » Sat Dec 11, 2021 10:43 pm

On one of the points made toward the end about 'earth energies' and ancient sites, quite by coincidence, I came across this site about India: https://kevinstandagephotography.wordpr ... e-gothane/

If you place compasses on various points around the torso of the human, polarity goes completely haywire. You can click on the above images to view them full screen to appreciate just how offset they are, sometimes they are completely reversed!


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Re: Interesting discussions

Postby DrEvil » Mon Dec 13, 2021 6:38 pm

Compasses are magnets. They will interfere with each other if they're close. If you stack them on top of each other they point in opposite directions.
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Re: Interesting discussions

Postby Harvey » Tue Dec 14, 2021 2:46 pm

Interestingly, this is clearly not the case here.
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Postby Iamwhomiam » Wed Dec 15, 2021 11:19 pm

No, it is not caused by the compasses magnetic fields interfering with each other, Harvey. One of the many Konkan petroglyphs at Devache Gothane in India, I believe it's the only one there exhibiting such magnetic anomalies. Examples of sculptures both small and enormous were found in Central America that also possess magnetic anomalies.

See https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/mesoamerican-sculptures-reveal-early-knowledge-magnetism-180972820/

Mesoamerican Sculptures Reveal Early Knowledge of Magnetism
Stone figures with magnetized cheeks and navels suggest the pre-Maya civilization of Monte Alto understood the attractive force

See https://curiosmos.com/the-ancient-olmec-incorporated-magnetism-in-their-statues-and-made-use-of-magnetic-anomalies/

The Ancient Olmec Incorporated Magnetism in their Statues, and Made Use of Magnetic Anomalies
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Re: Interesting discussions

Postby Harvey » Sat Dec 18, 2021 10:32 pm

Thanks Iam - interesting articles!

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 0318305776

Abstract

Archeological finds from Mesoamerica and elsewhere in the New World have yielded intriguing yet inconclusive evidence for an early appreciation of magnetism among Native American peoples. Here we use scanning and handheld magnetometers to map the distribution of magnetization on eleven basalt potbelly sculptures from the Monte Alto site, now housed in La Democracia, Guatemala, dating from second half of the first millennium BCE. Our 1 cm resolution magnetic scans, performed on four sculptures, reveal for the first time that they were originally magnetized by lightning strikes pre-dating the carving process. We quantify the area and morphology of the magnetic anomalies, demonstrating that the correspondence between magnetic anomalies on the sculptures and specific anatomical features is non-random at the P = 0.01 level, which is consistent with the qualitative conclusion of an early study by Malmström (1976). The apparently intentional colocation of carved anatomical features and pre-existing magnetized regions implies that the sculptors were able to detect the presence of anomalous magnetic fields, which may have been facilitated by lodestones similar to iron oxide artifacts and iron-ore mirrors. Our observations strengthen the case for an awareness of magnetism in the ancient New World.
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Re: Interesting discussions

Postby Iamwhomiam » Wed Dec 22, 2021 4:28 pm

I've a lot to share, but now pressed for time, I will respond more thoroughly later.

I found this a wonderful panel discussion that relates to more than a few things we ponder here. I'll add below a few links to one study discussed.

Host and Moderator John Hockenberry's brilliance makes the discussion all the more interesting. I hope you enjoy this as much as I have, even third time you listen to it. It was held at Hunter College in NYC and features Paul Davies, Seth Lloyd, Thorsten Ritz.

Quantum Biology: The Hidden Nature of Nature


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADiql3FG5is

Retina protein may be a magnetic compass for birds
Cryptochrome 4 forms radical pairs that could guide the migration of the European robin
https://cen.acs.org/biological-chemistry/Retina-protein-magnetic-compass-birds/99/i24#:~:text=A%20protein%20in%20the%20retina,to%20navigate%20during%20long%20journeys.

The Magnetic Compass of Birds: The Role of Cryptochrome
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fphys.2021.667000/full
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Re: Interesting discussions

Postby Iamwhomiam » Thu Dec 23, 2021 2:47 am

Someone recently wrote about their giving up a good job in tech and moving to the country to grow vegetables. Although I searched for it, I couldn't locate it. Of course, not remembering who wrote it, it was doubtful I'd find it.

> Edited to add: I found it. maple syrup, our newest member, wrote this on 12/10/21, which can be located here, in the "analysis issa paralysis" thread in General Discussion. Nice meeting you, Mr. syrup. Thank you for prompting my posting of these videos.
ACT TWO: STARVE THE BEAST

2006 sucked. I formed a plan to become an ex-pat. The now ex-sig/other was having none of it. We parted. I ruminated. Plan b arose. How many would it require to take away the wind in the sails without ever looking them in the eye? I figured only about 15 to 20 percent if we de-jobbed and removed our economic input to the system. So I did.

I went from a well paying career pushing pixels, to growing food. I went from the urban to the rural. I stopped short of re-wilding because of pure age consideration, but felt that avenue would bring the system to crises even faster. I stihl believe that opting out is a means to bring about change. Is there really no future but what is going to be scripted by those that have always been in control? Have I just followed Obi-Wan on another damned fool idealistic crusade?


I respect their decision to live a simpler, more meaningfully life. Simpler does not necessarily equate to easier.

A short (10m) video featuring Alan Watts

Will People Ever See It? - Alan Watts On The System


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aDmybt6iHQ

If you enjoyed that, you might want to hear more from Mr. Watts, you might want to view another 10 minute video,
It's Already Happening But People Don't See It - Alan Watts on Duality


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuZ1SqXjLmw

Please digest Sadhguru's 19 minute video, a talk to students attending the Sri Sivasubramaniya Nadar College of Engineering. He is a riot! and his message profound. Do not be dissuaded from watching because of its title!

What is the Greatest Evil on this Planet?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EQO6YMIzqg

If you enjoyed and found value in Sadhguru's message to students, You might want to listen to his talk with neuroscientist David Eagleman.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwgkvBZXum0
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Re: Interesting discussions

Postby Harvey » Fri Dec 24, 2021 12:28 pm

Iamwhomiam » Wed Dec 22, 2021 9:28 pm wrote:I've a lot to share, but now pressed for time, I will respond more thoroughly later.

I found this a wonderful panel discussion that relates to more than a few things we ponder here. I'll add below a few links to one study discussed.

Host and Moderator John Hockenberry's brilliance makes the discussion all the more interesting. I hope you enjoy this as much as I have, even third time you listen to it. It was held at Hunter College in NYC and features Paul Davies, Seth Lloyd, Thorsten Ritz.

Quantum Biology: The Hidden Nature of Nature


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADiql3FG5is

Retina protein may be a magnetic compass for birds
Cryptochrome 4 forms radical pairs that could guide the migration of the European robin
https://cen.acs.org/biological-chemistry/Retina-protein-magnetic-compass-birds/99/i24#:~:text=A%20protein%20in%20the%20retina,to%20navigate%20during%20long%20journeys.

The Magnetic Compass of Birds: The Role of Cryptochrome
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fphys.2021.667000/full


Harvey » Sat Dec 07, 2019 3:54 am wrote:
JackRiddler » Sat Dec 07, 2019 2:57 am wrote:
Harvey » Fri Dec 06, 2019 7:37 pm wrote:
DrEvil » Fri Dec 06, 2019 3:35 pm wrote:^^Quantum immortality. Say you're Schroedinger's Cat. From your point of view you never die in the experiment, as your consciousness keeps going in the universe where you survived the box.


Yes, exactly.


Yeah, once you think of infinite alternate universes in which every contingency that can happen will happen, it doesn't take long before you think of this as yet another way to deny death.



True enough. I'm more interested in understanding my personal experiences which neither preclude nor require a multiverse. On the other hand, the experiments above appear to point toward its necessity, as does the weak anthropic principle. In any case, I'm musing about something else: life itself is the only thing I can think of ingenious enough (time+evolution) to learn how to use entanglement to acquire and share information. If plants utilise aspects of quantum mechanics to increase the efficiency of energy transfer, then why not?

"Often, to observe or exploit quantum mechanical phenomena systems need to be cooled to very low temperatures. This however does not seem to be the case in some biological systems, which display quantum properties even at ambient temperatures.

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Energy transfer in light-harvesting macromolecules is assisted by specific vibrational motions of the chromophores," said Alexanda Olaya-Castro (UCL Physics & Astronomy), supervisor and co-author of the research. "We found that the properties of some of the chromophore vibrations that assist energy transfer during photosynthesis can never be described with classical laws, and moreover, this non-classical behaviour enhances the efficiency of the energy transfer."

https://phys.org/news/2014-01-quantum-m ... hesis.html


What if some or all organisms can infer 'information' from their chemical environment, from quantum processes and/or entangled particles? (I'm thinking of something analogous to inferring the presence of planet's masses and orbits from 'vibrations' or wobbles in the rotation of stars.) We know that bacteria communicate with us through our gut, expressing a variety of messages by induced alterations in mood and consciousness. Toxo plasmosis is a dramatic example of such a relationship. Why would our digestive system, being host to so many bacteria not tap them for information at the same time? Things too subtle to learn any other way and of course, manifesting as feelings. A gut instinct if you like. What would bacteria know that's worth telling? Presumably, quite a lot, they do get around.

Just some thoughts.
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Re: Interesting discussions

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