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Re: Interesting discussions

Postby DrEvil » Sat Jan 07, 2023 6:32 pm

To be honest I thought of bacterial intelligence as a mostly science fiction idea due to reading too much Greg Bear, but it's a large enough field to have its own Wikipedia page (which I should have realized since Bear is mostly hard science fiction):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microbial_intelligence

Some fascinating stuff in there.

The human body consists of about 39 trillion bacteria, viruses and fungi. Lots of room for a sneaky intelligence or five or 39 trillion to roam about without us noticing. Hell, maybe they achieved first contact and never bothered telling us.
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Postby Harvey » Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:19 am

Oh, I don't think you're wrong. A 'nested consciousness' of organisms makes perfect sense to me, one which overlaps through resonance, similarity and proximity, in different ways. Fungi, molds and bacteria make perfect sense as a sort of highly capable base consciousness.
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Postby DrEvil » Mon Jan 09, 2023 5:44 pm

I'm not saying it's true, more "why shouldn't it be"? The more we look the more intelligence/consciousness we find, even in individual insects like bees and ants, and in microbial life. Then there's worms that remember mazes if you feed them their ancestors (no, I'm not advocating eating people), trees talking to each other and showing altruistic behavior even across species, birds playing, squids being crafty little fuckers, etc. It's everywhere. And that's not even mentioning fungi.

And speaking of squids, they're so awesome. I was on a job in the Middle East, and we were doing ROV operations off the coast at night. Only problem was the lights on the ROV attracted a ton of fish that messed with our positioning system which was acoustic and needed line of sight. In an attempt to lure them away we pointed a huge spotlight straight down into the water on the other side of the ship. I was sitting there having a smoke and looking down at the water, and I could see all the way to the bottom.

Close to the surface there was a school of small white fish swimming in a circle. About halfway down there were three or four small sharks swimming in a circle, and at the bottom there were a few small squids messing around. Suddenly one of the squids decided it was time for dinner, so it shot up past the sharks and straight into the school of fish, and in those two seconds it changed color from dark brown to the exact shade of white of the fish, and folded its tentacles back to mimic their shape. It just disappeared in among the fish, and I couldn't tell the difference - it looked exactly like them.

It kinda freaked me out. The fish swimming around were completely oblivious to the predatory shapeshifter that was now among them.
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Re: Interesting discussions

Postby Gnomad » Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:36 am

DrEvil and Harvey, Ive just been reading this:
https://www.merlinsheldrake.com/entangled-life

"When we think of fungi, we probably think of mushrooms. But mushrooms are only fruiting bodies, analogous to apples on a tree. Most fungi live out of sight, yet make up a massively diverse kingdom of organisms that support and sustain nearly all living systems. The more we learn about fungi, the less makes sense without them. 

Sheldrake’s mind-bending journey into this hidden world ranges from yeast to psychedelics, to the fungi that sprawl for miles underground and are the largest organisms on the planet, to those that link plants together in complex networks known as the ‘Wood Wide Web’, to those that infiltrate and manipulate insect bodies with devastating precision.

Fungi throw our concepts of individuality and even intelligence into question. They can change our minds, heal our bodies, and even help us remediate environmental disaster. By examining fungi on their own terms, Sheldrake reveals how these extraordinary organisms – and our relationships with them – are changing our understanding of how life works."


Highly recommended reading, I first loaned it from the library, but ended up buying my own copy. A very well written book, and it goes into latest research into nerve-like properties of mycelial networks and their newfound abilities that are far more interesting than has previously been thought.

Personally I believe "consciousness" is more pervasive than we like to think. Or are taught to think, more like it.

Very interesting stuff about lichens too, and how latest studies show that lichens are not just symbiotic partnerships of two organisms, but they seem to usually incorporate many different symbiotic partners, and can change partners according to need and conditions...And the group doing this study was unable to find any lichens with just the traditionally understood 2 partner cohabitation.

Best book of the last year for me.
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Re: Interesting discussions

Postby Harvey » Sun Jan 15, 2023 2:00 pm

Hi Gnomad, yes, I bought it for my girlfriend but still haven't read it yet! I tend to read books when they call to me :shrug: from long experience I go along with it and do seem get much more from them that way. Hopefully I'll get around to it soon!

On another note I very much enjoyed the material you sent and am formulating my response, there's so much to say. Not least the wide range of correspondence between your experiences and those of others (including my own). If you haven't already, an excellent introduction to can be found in the revised editions of Supernatural (renamed "Visionary" in it's latest edition) by Graham Hancock. Later editions add a huge amount of additional material culminating in an exhaustive comparison of extreme phenomena spanning more than 40k years. From cave and rock art to fairy lore, modern shamanism and UFO experiences, the book makes a very strong argument that humans have been having pretty much the same experience of a larger reality throughout that entire span of time.

Anyway, the following is another terrific discussion, making the case that ancient Egyptian hieroglyphics are easily and straightforwardly translated via the Welsh language. Not as crazy an idea as it might at first sound...

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Re: Interesting discussions

Postby Gnomad » Sun Jan 15, 2023 2:20 pm

I bought Supernatural a year ago and its sitting in my pile of "to be read" :) I guess I will move it to the top, now that I got Entangled almost finished. I know exactly that "when it is time to read it" thing though, I often have books waiting to be read for a long time as well. As a kid I would walk around the library and pick any books that seemed interesting, sometimes just on a whim or intuition. One I found like that was https://archive.org/details/zen-yoga-a- ... p.-j-saher which someone had donated to the library - it is one of those books that had the hair on my neck standing up from the first page on... Later got my own copy and have returned to it several times over the years.

Agree on humans having had these experiences always...

Also have read a few of Stanislav Grof's books, strarting from https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/196 ... nconscious and
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/196 ... osmic_Game

No worries re: answering, I don't even really know why or what I wanted to say exactly, so for what its worth. Have really enjoyed your art and photos over the years, they have that certain kind of realistic magic and mysterious atmosphere to them that feels good to me.
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Postby Gnomad » Tue Jan 31, 2023 8:48 am

Harvey, I am now half-way through reading Supernatural. Like it. Much of it is familiar to me already from many other sources, but it is interesting. Thanks for the nudge. I think I will get it finished soon.

Funnily enough, a friend visited yesterday that I haven't seen in years, had a discussion for hours, and he was just reading Mind in the cave by David Lewis-Williams and recommended it to me, and after he left, I continued reading Supernatural, and noted that I had my bookmark exactly where Lewis-Williams is mentioned for the first time in that book. Figures.
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Re: Interesting discussions

Postby Harvey » Fri Feb 17, 2023 11:52 pm

Gnomad wrote:...I continued reading Supernatural, and noted that I had my bookmark exactly where Lewis-Williams is mentioned for the first time in that book. Figures.



Doesn't surprise me. :basicsmile



So, this next discussion is a bit speculative...

When I wrote this I was thinking out loud, noting the convergence of 5G roll out and Covid and the unusual PR campaign regarding 5G at the time. Was just spitballing what the coincidence could mean from an RI perspective. I definitely had nothing invested in the idea.

Harvey » Sun Apr 05, 2020 1:23 am wrote:4. As pointed out, that list of symptoms is very interesting* so perhaps, to conceal the use of a directable energy weapon i.e. 5G? Target selection via mobile signal** with range of potential attack modes from short to long term health impact, chronic ilness to death.

(**Governments demanding real time mobile location data, from pay as you go to bells and whistles to, wait for it, fight Corona.)


Much more information is coming to light on 5G and it seems that yes, it could very easily be used as a targeted energy weapon, in fact, the system appears to be designed to facilitate such misuse. More on that in a later post. Still researching.

Here's a long speech by a doctor of theology from 1995 in which Dr Pierre Gilbert (former Mason) makes many interesting claims, and if you're feeling bored or suffering from insomnia, parts of it are actually quite interesting from an RI perspective, and very relevant to our moment. From mandatory vaccination to digital and biological ID to the global world order, it's all in there. The translation is far from perfect but you'll get the gist (any fluent French speakers, feel free to chip in): https://rumble.com/vtf7bl-dr.-pierre-gi ... -apoc.html

But I want to draw your particular attention to this small section of the lecture: https://rumble.com/v24xp5i-dr-pierre-gi ... itles.html

In the biological destruction there are organised tempests on the magnetic fields. What will follow is the contamination of the bloodstreams of mankind creating intentional infections. This will be enforced via laws that will make vaccination mandatory. And these vaccines will make it possible to control people. The vaccines will have liquid crystals that will become hosted in the brain cells which will become micro receivers of electromagnetic fields where waves of very low frequency will be sent. And through these low frequency waves people will be unable to think, you’ll be turned into a zombie. Don’t think of this as a hypothesis, this has been done.

Think of Rwanda.


Okay, let's think about Rwanda. If there's already an RI thread on Crimson Mist I haven't found it yet. Not sure what to make of this, I'm sure some of you are already well versed and can speak to whether it's utter bullshit, merely plausible, or widely recognised as true.

https://www.educate-yourself.org/cn/ame ... ay03.shtml



Operation Crimson Mist,

Electronic Slaughter in Rwanda

Spooks now use technology in Baghdad that was "proven" on one-million dead Africans in Rwanda

By Joe Vialls, May 29, 2003

Original title: American Mind Control in Baghdad

Operation Crimson Mist

During the late afternoon of 6 April 1994, a hail of cannon shells tore through the fuselage of a commercial airliner flying overhead central Rwanda. Several seconds later the blazing plane exploded on impact with the ground, killing President Habyarimana of Rwanda, President Ntaryamira of Burundi, and most of their senior government officials. In that fatal millisecond of time, the entire political command structure of central Africa was decapitated, leaving the way open for “Operation Crimson Mist”, the most obscene terminal mind control experiment ever mounted by the United States of America against a sovereign nation. That “Crimson Mist” has been used again recently on a smaller scale in Iraq, is now beyond doubt.

As Habyarimana and his colleagues made their death dive, a small group of American men and women lounged around in a large hut at the edge of a discreet gravel airstrip a few miles from the Rwandan capital Kigali, temporary home for their three unmarked C-130 Hercules transport planes. All crewmembers carried forged credentials showing them as “atmospheric researchers” employed by an authentic civilian American agency, but these were only for emergency identification if one of the aircraft was forced to make an unscheduled landing on unfriendly territory. For all practical security purposes, neither they nor their three large aircraft were even in Africa.

When news of the presidential crash came in over the VHF radio, one of the Hercules planes was swiftly prepared for take off. The flight engineer checked the attachment of the RATO [Rocket Assisted Takeoff] packs, while the scientists made final adjustments to a large microwave dish mounted on the rear loading ramp of the aircraft. It was this strange and esoteric piece of equipment alone that would directly contribute to the deaths of more than one million African civilians during the hundred days that followed. Though completely silent in operation, the single microwave dish had more killing potential than a whole squadron of AC-130 Spectre gunships armed with fifty Gatling cannons.

Willing to Commit Mass Murder

Though officially tagged an “experiment”, none of those present had any doubt that this was merely a cosmetic cover for the gruesome operational work ahead. Each member had been carefully vetted and then vetted again by US Intelligence to ensure they had the “right stuff”, and were philosophically committed to two objectives.

First was the evolving need to control or eliminate political dissent by remote means in the run up to the 21st Century, and second was the need to stem or reverse massive population increases across the world, which threatened to overwhelm existing natural resources, especially water and food. Intrinsically this required a willingness to commit mass murder, and everyone present had passed this critical test with flying colors.

As the Hercules’ engines started with a roar, American agents in Kigali were working alongside local civil servants and members of the Rwandan security service, ramping up public suspicion about foul play in the presidential air crash. Urged on by corrupt officialdom, Hutu tribesmen started marching on Tutsi tribesmen and threw a few rocks at them. Innocent enough at the outset, although with a few nasty machete cuts here and there. But then the C-130 Hercules made a carefully-calculated pass directly over the advancing Hutu, and they suddenly went berserk. Eyes glazed, the mood of the Hutu crowd went from simple anger to uncontrollable rage, and within minutes, hundreds of assorted Tutsi body parts were flying through the air.

Creating Electronic Rage

What the Hercules crew had just achieved has been an open secret since the late fifties, when researchers accidentally discovered that there is a precise “control” brain wave for literally everything we do, and for everything we feel. The problem back then was that each of these control brain waves [rage, fear, panic, lethargy, vomiting and so on] had to be transmitted with an accuracy taken out to three decimal places, or they simply did not work at all. But as the years rolled by, and with the advent of transistors and microprocessors, the operational application of precise control brain waves became practical reality.

It is important to note here that the lethal trick repeated hundreds of times by the C-130 Hercules in Rwanda during April – July 1994, was not “classic mind control” in the ultimate conspiratorial meaning of the term, i.e. where people claim to hear complicated messages inside their heads, or where it is feared that the NSA [or similar] intend to turn everyone into helpless Zombies by implanting electronic chips in their arms or necks. What the C-130 crew were actually engaged in was “electromagnetically augmenting” a pre-existing state. Remember that the agents and security service personnel first had to point the Hutu tribesmen in the direction of the Tutsi, induce reasonable anger, and make sure they were appropriately armed. Only then could the C-130 go to work with the precise control brain wave of “rage”, augmenting and thus upgrading crowd behavior from that of angry demonstrators to uncontrollable genocidal maniacs. Although not “classic”, this was and is unquestionably mind control, for the simple reason that external means were being used to force an irresistible change in behavior.

For those who really want to know how governments or agencies change public behavior on a whim, the explanation is not too complicated, though obtaining details of the classified control brain frequencies is all but impossible. Various academics have actually demonstrated some of these effects quasi-publicly over the years, which provides hard reality for skeptics.

One of the leading lights in this field is Dr. Elizabeth Rauscher-Bise, who was a nuclear scientist and researcher at Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, and at Stanford Research Institute, Professor of Physics at John F. Kennedy University of California, research consultant to NASA and the U.S. Navy, and a member of IEEE, APS, AAAS, MAA, ANA, AAMI. Elizabeth Rauscher-Bise identified specific frequency effects to induce nausea, happiness and many other behavioral states decades ago. Clearly, Dr. Rauscher-Bise is an enthusiast: "Give me the money and three months", she boasts, "and I'll be able to affect the behavior of 80 per cent of the people in this town without their knowing it. Make them happy - or at least they'll think they're happy. Or aggressive."

Unlike many researchers in this field, Elizabeth Rauscher-Bise tends to be open about her work, has demonstrated the effects many times in quasi-public forums, and claims to experiment only on fully informed people. Many years ago during one memorable demonstration in California, she turned a specific brain wave on all students in the left-side of her auditorium, whereupon their teeth started chattering collectively and uncontrollably. When the unaffected students on the right-side of the auditorium suggested this might be some sort of trick, Elizabeth Rauscher-Bise calmly turned the specific brain wave on them instead. The right-side now suffered exactly the same fate, watched by the stunned, but no longer affected students on the left-side.

Extra Low Frequencies (ELF)

The main problem lies in the delivery of the these brain waves to the target, because they all lie in the extremely low spectrum, between 0.1 and 25 Hertz [Cycles], with all control brain waves in an even narrower central band between 0.6 and 10.2 Hertz. These are effectively the same as “earth” frequencies, meaning that they are very hard to direct via conventional radio transmission. Remember that in order to be effective in selective crowd behavior augmentation, you must be able to restrict delivery to clearly defined crowds in clearly defined areas. This is achieved by using an extremely high frequency microwave beam, which is then amplitude modulated at exactly the same rate as the desired control brain wave. This is much easier to explain with pictures, so take a good look at the diagram below.

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Microwaves in the 1.0 to 3.0 Gigahertz range travel in perfectly straight lines, like light, making them easy to control in terms of direction, regardless of power output. In most cases microwaves are transmitted by a dish aerial of the sort you frequently see located low down on a tall television transmitter mast. These are designed to transfer high volume electronic data between the television studio and transmitter, and vice versa.

Where the American “Mind Controllers” score with their airborne and truck mounted equipment is by using microwave aerials that can be adjusted, in exactly the same way as you would adjust the focus on a variable beam flash light. How this is done is shown in the second diagram to the right.

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In the Rwandan Hutu tribesmen example shown near the start of this report, the crew of the C-130 Hercules only needed to know the width of the target crowd on the ground, and the width of their own microwave beam at any given true altitude in feet [as read directly from the radar altimeter]. With those two values available, it is then a simple matter to adjust beam width to accurately bracket the target crowd from any altitude chosen.

Baghdad 'Looting'

But this equipment is not just deployed in large lumbering Hercules transport planes. During recent weeks, European security experts have concluded that smaller versions of Crimson Mist were recently deployed on the street of Baghdad, designed in part to augment the media propaganda line that Iraqi citizens are dangerous savages, all badly in need of direct supervision by “democratic” American authorities. One classic example of this was the “looting” of the Baghdad Museum, apparently by a crowd of undisciplined rabble, but video footage tells a very different story. To pull off this stunt the American authorities needed to assemble a crowd, managed quite easily with a promise of free food. Then they needed to place the crowd outside the museum, which again was easy because they located the free food outside the museum itself. Next up, the attention of the crowd had to be drawn to the museum itself, which was achieved in spectacular fashion by firing two 120-mm shells from an Abrams tank gun straight through the main doors.

Fine so far, but how to get them inside? The video shows two soldiers gesticulating to the crowd, urging them to go in and help themselves, thereby clearly identifying the target “Rwanda-style”. Then it starts to get really interesting! The two soldiers rapidly withdraw, leaving the Iraqis standing leaderless outside the open doors, and then CLICK, just like flicking a light switch, the entire crowd goes nuts absolutely simultaneously, which never happens in real life. In the real world there is always a leader visibly stirring up the crowd and preparing them for action, but not outside the Baghdad Museum. One second these folk are dull hungry Iraqis, next second they are instant uncontrollable maniacs streaming in though the museum doors.

It is also suspected that the same equipment was used to augment the “looting attacks” on various hospitals around central Baghdad, though this claim seems to be based as much on logic as it is on video footage. These so-called “looters” are Iraqi citizens who received essentially free health care in the hospitals under Saddam Hussein. Not only that, but their wives and children are being bombed and shot by Americans, meaning that their free hospitals are absolutely essential to them, and thus the very places they would normally defend in the first instance. Bearing this logic in mind, it seems likely that the European security experts are also correct in this claim.

Homeland 'Security'

While there is unlikely to be very much concern in America, Britain, and Australia for the plight of Iraqis on the streets of Baghdad, it may be time to examine what is likely to happen in our own “democratic” countries if things get more out of control than they are at present. Remember that the 2.2-million-strong demonstration in London just before the illegal invasion of Iraq, had little if anything to do with English folk liking Saddam Hussein. Iraq was merely an excuse for this unprecedented mass of human beings to migrate to London waving banners that mostly read “Not in Our Name” at corrupt politicians.

The bottom line is that the next time 2.2 million British citizens descend on the capital to have a go at the politicians [their real targets], they might be carrying something far more dangerous than banners. Every policeman and military man knows very well that a 2.2 million strong mass with hostile intent, simply cannot be stopped by standard riot control techniques, and they cannot be stopped by bullets fired by soldiers on the streets. Even if British soldiers could be persuaded to open fire on their own neighbors [most unlikely], the entire Army would be powerless to act. So what then?

Across the Atlantic in America, and in Australia, things are really no better. As I write, the American dollar is heading straight for basement levels, which in turn will lead to a depression and increased anger on the part of all Americans, aimed largely at corrupt politicians on Capitol Hill. Naturally the politicians will try to put the people down as usual, but what if this time it is a step too far. What if a few hundred or few thousand of the 260 million private weapons in American hands are brought into play, what then?

The chances are that in all affected western countries, politicians and their real masters will try to invoke the use of highly unconventional weapons in order to try and save their own worthless hides. How successful they might be when that day comes, as it surely will, is largely up to you.

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It wouldn't surprise me, but if true, many jigsaw pieces suddenly begin fitting into place.


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Re: Interesting discussions

Postby Harvey » Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:22 pm

Interview With Elizabeth Rauscher: a physicist ahead of her time

See above post. Direct streaming on third party sites is disabled: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwGhJ23oS7Y

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https://invidious.namazso.eu/watch?v=qwGhJ23oS7Y

Invidious instances are available here (no Ads, no tracking youtube video play): https://redirect.invidious.io/watch?v=qwGhJ23oS7Y
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Postby DrEvil » Sat Feb 25, 2023 8:31 pm

Rauscher is an interesting person. She helped found the Fundamental Fysiks Group in 1975, to discuss the philosophy and more esoteric aspects of quantum physics (remote viewing etc.). Along the way they held annual gatherings at the Esalen Institute and got involved with the CIA and DIA's remote viewing experiments at Stanford.
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Postby Harvey » Tue Feb 28, 2023 10:25 pm

Yes, I'm very impressed by her, but I confess to not having heard of her until encountering the above. Remarkable woman.
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Postby DrEvil » Wed Mar 01, 2023 10:19 pm

Ditto. I found the above by just checking her Wikipedia page. God knows what might be found with some serious digging. Esalen + military/CIA remote viewing + mind control = a very dark rabbit hole.

I really, really want a RigintGPT chatbot. Something that's been fed all the obscure books and online sources and transcripts of interviews, so I could just ask "give me a list of all the people and organizations this person has worked with, a short summary of what they did together and links to the sources".

In a few months or a year we will probably have access to Large Language Models capable of running on consumer hardware, and from there it's just a skip and a hop to feed one the Rigint archive.
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Postby Harvey » Thu Mar 02, 2023 3:47 pm

Interesting prospect isn't it? Do it if you can. Make it happen.
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Postby DrEvil » Thu Mar 02, 2023 4:40 pm

I'm almost certain it will be possible. They work on some of the same principles as Stable Diffusion and similar (it's all basically just translation with extra bells and whistles: text to image, image to image, english to english), and it's easy to train SD to represent a certain style or character within the larger model, so hopefully we can do the same with smaller datasets of text for LLMs. Then you would just download the generic LLM and the Rigint file that's been trained on the forum archive, type your question as usual, and add a keyword to make it use the Rigint plugin.

But first we need LLMs that don't need four rack-mounted GPUs just to run.
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Postby Harvey » Sat Mar 18, 2023 10:54 pm

Memory Across Time & Space with Rupert Sheldrake

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