"You're such an Angry Person!!"

[Canadian_watcher]

"I have learned through bitter experience the one supreme lesson to conserve my anger, and as heat conserved is transmuted into energy, even so our anger controlled can be transmuted into a power which can move the world."

When it comes to acknowledging unpleasant truths, I find that very often it is ignorance of these truths that causes anger. Usually the suggestion of an unpleasant truth to an ignorant person will cause them to get angry because they have not integrated the information into their consciousness. So these people are invited to acknowledge, for the first time in their lives, that they are livestock for financial oligarchs, and that makes them feel angry.

So when they talk to another person who has integrated and internalized this information, they automatically assume that this person must be extremely angry because that is how they would feel if they knew. And they don't want to know, because anger is not a pleasant feeling, so they project their anger on the person disturbing their bubble of dead thoughts.

I love that. thank you for it.

[IanEye]

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pondering the privilege of anger


"you've awoken a sleeping giant!"
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[beeline]

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You mean to tell me, I'm not actually angry?

I kinda speak like that fucking asshole on that Hell's Kitchen show -- who I absolutely hate vis a vis how honestly evil he is to the cooks on his show.

Actually, Chef Ramsey has it right, at least as far as that business goes. You will not be an effective chef if you do not act like that. There's a couple reasons for this. First of all, you are generally dealing with either (a) young people and/or 'culinary school graduates' that think they already know everything but in reality know jack shit, or (b) the dregs of society. And you really don't have the time to coddle people. So in order to cut through the cobwebs, you really have to be a complete asshole, much like a drill instructor has to be a complete asshole to recruits. "WHY IS THIS FUCKING CHICKEN STILL RAW?" works much more quickly and effectively than, "Excuse me, do you think it ewould be possible to thoroughly cook the chicken breast next time? See, the customer bit into it, and it wasn't done, and now they're unhappy, and we will have to comp their meal." It's just the way it works. It's also a big reason as to why I got out of that business.

[Sweejak]

So, here's a rant.

First, from an In-law to family member:

Your brother is an idiot. He needs his ass kicked for that response. I never want to see or talk to him again.

Sorry, he has really pissed me of with that response.

Oh well, but If someone tells me again to thank "the boys" for defending my freedom in Iraq or Afghanistan... with weeping eagles and what not I swear I'll shoot a fucking eagle!
Look: I honor all victims of war, The soldiers on both sides and the innocent victims. I honor people who will sacrifice for the common good but let me ask ya'll; if I tell you a lie and you go off and destroy somebody because of it should I thank you for my freedom? Sorry, I feel more compassion and pity for those caught in these machinations than gratefulness.

It's a very unjust world and we are all beneficiaries (or not as the case may be) of previous injustices. I can see and understand the imperial warrior's ethical landscape, even the ones who know all the lies. But for God's sake, don't ask me (the guy whose freedom you supposedly fought for) to honor the sacrifice you've made for your world view. First off, I didn't ask for you to do it for me, a bunch of geopolitical Machiavellis and psychopaths did. Ask them for thanks, not me, and, good luck with that! If you were trapped, did it for your family, did it because you believed, etc. like I said, you have my respect, my empathy and my understanding. It's not like I'm somehow above being duped.

Now, I wonder if said in-law got my FB account deleted by piling on complaints because it's dead.

So there it is. The angry, obsessed, and bitter brother.

[82_28]

I've worked around the same cooks for about 10 years now and let me tell you, the best camaraderie one can make is the key. Not screaming at people. We know our ins and outs. But we didn't all start off screaming at each other. I disagree with how that Chef Ramsey dude runs his kitchen. I've worked in many a restaurant, busy restaurants, and talk like that doesn't fly. I realize some kitchens have a martinet like Ramsey, but all in all, it is not conducive to happy people -- hence why you got out of that line of work, I would assume, beeline. Ramsey's a joker. In fact, that show makes me really nervous to watch. My GF loves the show and makes me watch it with her.

I guess it's just so contrived. No chef, sous chef, cook etc, would ever be put under that kind of stress in a real work environment. Stress, yes -- ABSOLUTELY! (just got done with some of that stress myself in fact) But not some British star millionaire screaming at you, with 10 minutes or something to come up with some crazy ass dish while they fill the entire restaurant all at once, while all these cooks hate each other and are competing against one another.

[82_28]

Oh and btw, Canadian_Watcher, thank you for the kind comment. It kinda made my day. Thank fucking god we have you too!

[brainpanhandler]

One of my favorites along these lines is the admonition by someone that I shouldn't get so defensive when they are actually in the act of attacking me. Oooo... it makes me so angry.

[undead]

Your welcome, Canadian Watcher. Btw you have the best avatar.



“Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.”

[Nordic]

Sweejak -- HA! You and I sound so much alike. I get the "shhh, you're starting to yell" thing, too, when I swear to god I'm not.

I have also gotten into it with inlaws to the point where we simply don't talk any more. Not so much of politics, although that's what started it, but for the way they treated my wife. They abused her her whole life, and when they started to do that in front of me I simply told them I wouldn't tolerate that, I didn't care if they were her brothers, she was my wife and I would defend her from anybody. That sorta ended it, and now they don't talk, and it's actually far better for my wife that she's lost all contact with them. It's a long story. The point being that it was a political discussion that was the catalyst, my alpha-dog brother-in-law (there are several) suddenly morphed into a bad imitation of Sean Hannity, and I just called him on his bullshit and it went from there.

But yeah, i don't know if this is the case elsewhere, but it seems in Los Angeles (i.e. the entertainment industry) it's a major sin to be "negative". To be anything other than "positive" and "upbeat". So if you're simply telling the truth about something sometimes you can get these looks from people because OMFG you're committing the cardinal sin of not being positive.

So yeah, instead of "angry" I get "negative".

I, too, am amazed by Facebook, where with few and welcome exceptions, nobody seems to want to talk about things that matters. Most Facebook chatter makes actual small-talk like oh-so-deep.

Facebook could get the best tool in the world for organizing, but nobody seems to want to take that leap except for the likes of Cindy Sheehan and people who are gonna be kind of that way anyway. The vast majority of people (and this goes for outside of FB as well) would stand there watching a woman get knifed and do nothing. It seems. Nobody wants to speak up, rock the boat, even thought he boat is headed into a fucking whirlpool.

I don't get it.

[Joe Hillshoist]

I'm interested to know, among this group of politically minded and oft-outraged smart people, how many of you have been accused of being "An Angry Person?"

Do you hear this as a response to the things you are concerned about? When you bring up something outrageous that the gov't is doing, or that a neighbour does, or whatever, do people respond to you by answering you on topic or do they just label you 'angry' and try to get you to drop it?

Is it a denial tactic? Evasion of personal responsibility? What? Because it seems to me that it should be okay for someone to be moved to anger by injustice.. or to focus for a few moments on something negative that is happening in one's environment.

It's a sore point for me so I want to hear how you all deal with it, that is if you've come face to face with it before and I'm not simply a truly angry person that's just rightfully being called out on her bullshit.

Angry?

Thats not angry!

You want to see ANGRY I'LL GIVE YOU FUCKEN ANGRY!!!!


Usually works for me.

Then I usually get pointed about it.

For some reason I don't talk to people about stuff much.

[beeline]

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82, I think we're talking about two different things. Working with experienced help is one thing, training people, esp. young people, it's different. I really had to be a DI to some kids. They won't respect you otherwise, will come in late, won't do what you tell them, etc. Once they realize it's easier for them to be on time or early and do what they're told, not what they think they're supposed to do, there's really no more screaming. Or I would fire them. Camraderie comes naturally, after a few months together, drinks after work, blowing a doob before cleaning 50 lbs. of chicken, etc. And this was at a place that did fill up all at once--if you unlocked the door at 11:30 Saturday morning, the place was packed by 11:45. Yes, my food is that good.

[Sweejak]

Sweejak -- HA! You and I sound so much alike. I get the "shhh, you're starting to yell" thing, too, when I swear to god I'm not.

I have also gotten into it with inlaws to the point where we simply don't talk any more. Not so much of politics, although that's what started it, but for the way they treated my wife. They abused her her whole life, and when they started to do that in front of me I simply told them I wouldn't tolerate that, I didn't care if they were her brothers, she was my wife and I would defend her from anybody. That sorta ended it, and now they don't talk, and it's actually far better for my wife that she's lost all contact with them. It's a long story. The point being that it was a political discussion that was the catalyst, my alpha-dog brother-in-law (there are several) suddenly morphed into a bad imitation of Sean Hannity, and I just called him on his bullshit and it went from there.

But yeah, i don't know if this is the case elsewhere, but it seems in Los Angeles (i.e. the entertainment industry) it's a major sin to be "negative". To be anything other than "positive" and "upbeat". So if you're simply telling the truth about something sometimes you can get these looks from people because OMFG you're committing the cardinal sin of not being positive.

So yeah, instead of "angry" I get "negative".

I, too, am amazed by Facebook, where with few and welcome exceptions, nobody seems to want to talk about things that matters. Most Facebook chatter makes actual small-talk like oh-so-deep.

Facebook could get the best tool in the world for organizing, but nobody seems to want to take that leap except for the likes of Cindy Sheehan and people who are gonna be kind of that way anyway. The vast majority of people (and this goes for outside of FB as well) would stand there watching a woman get knifed and do nothing. It seems. Nobody wants to speak up, rock the boat, even thought he boat is headed into a fucking whirlpool.

I don't get it.

You know what the shouting has to be, it must be the way a word is emphasized, the inflection or the look in your eyes that accompanies the word, or, maybe the long sentences with a seemingly endless stream of contrary evidence? It has to be the delivery, because I swear I'm not screaming.

Well, now I have to construct an apology for what I've said, and I want to do it, in a few days, the guy is really pissed, which is something that's as hard to understand as this phantom screaming thing because he knows exactly how I feel. It makes me wonder why he sent it.

My account is back at FB. It's a little strange because the friend I was talking to lost her account at the same exact time as I did, as we were talking. I could log into my son's account, so it wasn't the net, I could not access my account from another computer, so it wasn't the software. Very curious if you ask me.

It's a great piece of software. I hope some open source competitor comes along soon.

[Nordic]

One weird-ass thing about Facebook. Sometimes I'll make a comment to someone, then later I see that it's gone. Then I'll go looking for it, and it will be in someone else's thread. For no reason whatsoever. Yesterday I asked a friend who was having extreme back pain if she'd ever had an epidural. The comment ended up in a thread of a woman I barely know. Just me, asking "you ever had an epidural?" She probably thought I was insane. I hate it when it does that, and makes me seriously distrust it.

[freemason9]

what is there to be angry about? got my woman, got my health, got my brain, got faith.

got it all.

peace to you all.

[82_28]

Goddamn, your good fortune pisses me off.