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Re: Welcome to... The Saloon

Postby mentalgongfu2 » Thu Jul 15, 2010 4:01 am

At the risk of stepping in a pile of angry red ants, I'll just go ahead and ignore the subtext here and say what I logged in to say.

I've never posted in the Saloon before, unless I did so in a drunken stupor, because, frankly, I think threads like this exacerbate sexual tensions at RI, to the detriment of the intellectual subject matter. I liked it better when I didn't know who was male and female. If I allowed myself, I could turn this into a long dissertation on how real or perceived sexual tension impacts dialogue, especially in a medium where you must take a poster's word regarding gender. But hey, we're all human (except for the reptilians), so I suppose it's natural to get a little frisky, even if it's not my ideal of what a serious discussion board should be. I learned a long time ago opinions don't really matter if one has no control.

With that disclaimer out of the way, PW, even though you speak espanol rather than francais, I cannot hide my excitement at interacting with a female artist who loves Paris and speaks a foreign language. You also have made some observations I noticed myself but chose not to mention because I generally try to avoid conflicts here. You may be my first official virtual crush, but don't let it go to your head. Even with avatars, relative anonymity allows us to cross boundaries we might hesitate to cross in the real world. I've only met one RI personality in the RL - chiggerbit - and that only because she lives in my state and has land across the river from some cabins my family owns. I'm probably too paranoid to attend an RI meetup, though I won't rule it out if one ever comes a little closer to the middle of nowhere. As I finish the last glug in my last beer, I raise my glass to you before I retire to bed, and hopefully find sleep in the midst of this mid-July heat.
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Re: Welcome to... The Saloon

Postby filedactivity » Thu Jul 15, 2010 9:51 am

Don't worry, internet red ants don't hurt as bad.
Now that we've established that this is all just a misunderstanding, a drink on me!
Cool yer jets people.

I'll take a redheaded slut. jagermeister, peach schnapps, and cranberry juice.

or you could top it off with a splash of coke and call it a Lindsey Lohan.
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Re: Welcome to... The Saloon

Postby Project Willow » Thu Jul 15, 2010 2:11 pm

mentalgongfu2 wrote:...

With that disclaimer out of the way, PW, even though you speak espanol rather than francais, I cannot hide my excitement at interacting with a female artist who loves Paris and speaks a foreign language. You also have made some observations I noticed myself but chose not to mention because I generally try to avoid conflicts here. You may be my first official virtual crush, but don't let it go to your head. Even with avatars, relative anonymity allows us to cross boundaries we might hesitate to cross in the real world. I've only met one RI personality in the RL - chiggerbit - and that only because she lives in my state and has land across the river from some cabins my family owns. I'm probably too paranoid to attend an RI meetup, though I won't rule it out if one ever comes a little closer to the middle of nowhere. As I finish the last glug in my last beer, I raise my glass to you before I retire to bed, and hopefully find sleep in the midst of this mid-July heat.


It already went to my head, sweetly, wonderfully, but I promise to behave myself. How lovely that you got to meet Chig.

I raise my glass right back to you and thank you kindly! :cheers: :wink:
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Re: Welcome to... The Saloon

Postby Project Willow » Thu Jul 15, 2010 2:28 pm

filedactivity wrote:...
I'll take a redheaded slut. .


Honey, I don't serve socks in my joint, although that order sounds real funny all garbled up trying to find its way out of that mass of wool.

Oh, socrates is waiting outside in his triangular-wheeled rickshaw. It's hard to peddle one footed, you better go to him.

Actually you better go quickly before this red head inserts her boot up to your ankle seams there, because that would hurt.
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Re: Welcome to... The Saloon

Postby ronin » Thu Jul 15, 2010 4:08 pm

We join our hero entering the saloon, dragging feet up to the bar, exhaling with a heavy sigh,..

"Jeez Ronin, you look down," the bartender says.
"Yeah,.. work," comes the reply after a slight pause. "My ideas, the better and even some of the best,.. I'm compelled to bring them forth at work lest I feel guilty for having held back, not doing my best. Pearls, all of them."
"And so, let me guess,.."
"Yep, it's the swine. I never seem to learn that they just don't give a damn about pearls. Double Macallan, neat. Please just start a tab."

It's been one of those days,..
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Re: Welcome to... The Saloon

Postby filedactivity » Thu Jul 15, 2010 5:19 pm

Project Willow wrote:
filedactivity wrote:...
I'll take a redheaded slut. .


Honey, I don't serve socks in my joint, although that order sounds real funny all garbled up trying to find its way out of that mass of wool.

Oh, socrates is waiting outside in his triangular-wheeled rickshaw. It's hard to peddle one footed, you better go to him.

Actually you better go quickly before this red head inserts her boot up to your ankle seams there, because that would hurt.


You're red headed? How ironic, i had no clue.
You're kinda mean, but you have such a witty way of showing it.
Cheers Willow, this one is for you hun. *raises glass*
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Re: Welcome to... The Saloon

Postby Project Willow » Thu Jul 15, 2010 5:59 pm

filedactivity wrote:You're red headed? How ironic, i had no clue.
You're kinda mean, but you have such a witty way of showing it.
Cheers Willow, this one is for you hun. *raises glass*



Of course you didn't know, how could you have known? That would take some study, a bit of tracking, a bit of really paying attention to what I've been sharing online for a long time, or at least noticing my avatar a few months ago, kinda like those other silly former trolls who proudly sport a psychotically obsessive focus on all things RA/MC, and RI.

Mean? One person's mean is another person's protective.

And you, crazy pretend-glass-raising sock, (ain't nobody served ya here) are really starting to BUG me.
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Postby IanEye » Thu Jul 15, 2010 8:27 pm

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Re: Welcome to... The Saloon

Postby 82_28 » Thu Jul 15, 2010 8:52 pm

And you, crazy pretend-glass-raising sock, (ain't nobody served ya here) are really starting to BUG me.


Hey. I gave everybody a Coors Light and a troll. Best I could do under the circumstances. I think everything is A-OK Willow. This is a public forum. We will and have weeded motherfuckers out on our own. I come to this joint because it is interesting. It's the only place people talk about crap that fascinates me and it is also a place where I don't have deal with teh P0wn3ed crowd nor the fucks who have to tell you everything you say is wrong. I think everything is fine.

RI is like a super cerebral video game. I love playing it. 'Cept I'm not playing when I speak my heart. I like to game and every time I play a game I literally try to be as least evil as possible. For instance, in Uncharted 2 I found my character next to this little monkey. I thought, I could shoot this virtual monkey JUST TO SEE if the game allowed that I could kill it. Still couldn't do it. I accidentally killed a deer in Oblivion. The sound it made was awful. I wanted to go back to a previous game save but I couldn't. But it tore me up, somehow it did. This here saloon is somewhat fun, but as a bartender, I am asking you to calm down PW. Please. I wouldn't even be involved within this thread were it not that I have met you and I didn't like most of the voices that chime in around this place. I didn't know you from Adam before we met and I don't know anybody else from Adam still. Thus, I err on the side that people are who they say they are. All people have disagreements. But know that there are still good people on this planet that will give you the shirt off their backs. If some of us don't do it, who will?

Peace to you Project Willow and to all of us in kind. . .

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Re: Welcome to... The Saloon

Postby Project Willow » Thu Jul 15, 2010 9:46 pm

OK 82_28, I am going to speak my heart to you now and I am deadly serious.

1. I am a survivor of and an activist against some of the most heinous human rights abuses ever committed domestically, namely the ongoing torture and exploitation of children and adults in US medical and behavioral experimentation programs. There are many survivors who visit and write on this board. Due to this board welcoming the input of survivors it is often targeted. Due to my activism I am also sometimes targeted.

2. Please don't get in the way of me protecting myself from targeting. Yes, conflict can be unpleasant, but it can also be productive.
Would you tolerate someone who came into your bar just to insult you and crow about how they'd thwarted your work? I don't think so, and therefore don't ask me to.

3. You don't have to fix everything, and actually you can't, especially if don't understand what's going on, which you don't.

4. You may have met me but indeed you have no idea who I am. Why don't you go to my profile, click on the link there and give it a start, then you might actually begin to understand.

5. This is my Saloon thread dude, you don't have to come in here. It's absolutely pristinely gorgeous in Seattle today. Go outside. Go to the real Saloon and sit on the patio and watch the sunset. I invite you to calm down, it is only your interference prolonging this conflict now.
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Re: Welcome to... The Saloon

Postby 82_28 » Thu Jul 15, 2010 10:28 pm

Project Willow wrote:OK 82_28, I am going to speak my heart to you now and I am deadly serious.

1. I am a survivor of and an activist against some of the most heinous human rights abuses ever committed domestically, namely the ongoing torture and exploitation of children and adults in US medical and behavioral experimentation programs. There are many survivors who visit and write on this board. Due to this board welcoming the input of survivors it is often targeted. Due to my activism I am also sometimes targeted.

2. Please don't get in the way of me protecting myself from targeting. Yes, conflict can be unpleasant, but it can also be productive.
Would you tolerate someone who came into your bar just to insult you and crow about how they'd thwarted your work? I don't think so, and therefore don't ask me to.

3. You don't have to fix everything, and actually you can't, especially if don't understand what's going on, which you don't.

4. You may have met me but indeed you have no idea who I am. Why don't you go to my profile, click on the link there and give it a start, then you might actually begin to understand.

5. This is my Saloon thread dude, you don't have to come in here. It's absolutely pristinely gorgeous in Seattle today. Go outside. Go to the real Saloon and sit on the patio and watch the sunset. I invite you to calm down, it is only your interference prolonging this conflict now.


Well, a saloon is normally considered a public place.

Do I know the exact details of what has happened? Of course I do not. Honestly, I care about your emotions and how I can be of some civil and personal help. My pops was molested as a kid. As I have always said, "that's all I need to know!" No more details. My heart is constantly heartbroken. Not because of a lack of love in my life, but because those in my life who love me and I love don't feel love in other spots in their existence. This simple fact bums me out.

But I have met you. Meeting people over the electronic tendrils of the tubes is always and has always been enlightening.

Yes I do have to fix everything. You're dealing with a neurotic motherfucker here. Yes. I MUST FIX EVERYTHING.

Am I any good at it? No.



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Mark your point of failing. it begins where you concede.
Hesitate. procrastinate. sedating.
All configured to impede your path.
You need a good kick in the ass.
Now take a step back and have a long hard look.
Hold it to the light and read it like a book.
Analyze the past and present to see what is to come.
Now wrap your lips around the barrel of the gun.
Mark my point of failing. it began where I gave in.
Comfort. convenience. placating.
Construed to suck me in, to their trap.
I need a good kick in the ass.
As time passed I realized we don’t need rules to survive.
Just common sense and means to subsist.
So from here on in I will resist.
I’ve finally realized. I’ve found my way at last.
It’s finally evident.
We all need a kick in the ass.
The basis of change: educate! derived from discussion,
Not hate, not myth, not muscle, not etiquette.
Intellect, not re-elect!.
Status symbols yield to respect between sex, species, environment.


Now, bear in mind Willow, that "I" am NOT "giving you a kick in the ass". But this basically sums up what I have always believed. I am your friend.
There is no me. There is no you. There is all. There is no you. There is no me. And that is all. A profound acceptance of an enormous pageantry. A haunting certainty that the unifying principle of this universe is love. -- Propagandhi
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Re: Welcome to... The Saloon

Postby ronin » Fri Jul 16, 2010 12:32 am

Hmm,... I've overheard the goings on in this bar as of late (maybe I'll think better of this later) and this is where for better or for worse, I offer my opinion.

Project Willow - You may or may not care about the following as it really doesn't appear as if you're looking for commentary, feedback, cheerleading, or a fan club. I get it. But I have to tell you thanks. Your speaking-from-the-heart piece above was one of the more refreshing pieces of candor that I've read here at RI.

82_28 - PW is right, let it go. This should go down in your life experience as something you one, can't do anything about and two, shouldn't even try. Everything is broken. You should also see that statement as another way of saying everything is actually not broken. Consequently, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. You can't fix everything. Really. I recommend you stop trying to fix everything so that you may, in turn, actually be of some good. But that time is not right now. Also, understand that an innocent deer or monkey or whatever in a video game, the little algorithmic collection of pixels, only has the life, the reality you give it. You found that you couldn't kill something you infused with reality, with the qualification as an innocent. Good. But leave alone the "I try to do no evil" mantra. You're coming across as sanctimonious. Next thing you know, you'll be claiming yourself as an unyielding pacifist, unwilling to raise a fist against someone threatening someone you care about. You would do well to maybe re-read the "protective" nature that Project Willow so clearly explained above.
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Re: Welcome to... The Saloon

Postby norton ash » Fri Jul 16, 2010 1:00 am

Okay, there was a big bottle of Listerine that I stole specially from Walgreen's under my table, and now it's GONE.

Someone's gotta buy me a quintuple vodka, STAT... oh... hey... Willow, there's birds in here again...

Holy shit, the Jackson 5!
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Re: Welcome to... The Saloon

Postby Project Willow » Fri Jul 16, 2010 3:12 am

Norton, I think the new cleaning crew got your bottle, it's back here in this cupboard. Apparently they left the window open too.
Here's your vodka.

Whatever ya'll want to imbibe is on me 'til midnight. Oh, it's midnight just now. Make that 2am.
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Re: Welcome to... The Saloon

Postby sw » Fri Jul 16, 2010 8:26 am

I need a job. Is this saloon hiring? I have been out mostly since April after working in a sick building for 23 years.

I tried to go back this past week again, and within 45 minutes, my asthma flarred so that I could not complete a sentence, both eyes swelled shut and my scalp broke out in hives. Pretty amazing for 45 minutes. But, the building says all is fine.

So, I need a job. Can't pour drinks because I'm only versed in Dr. Pepper but maybe I can clean the floors. I'm also going to need home made service dog signs for my two non service dogs so that they can come in with me in the AC. AC was out for two days this past weekend. The 14 year old husky rescue almost had a heat stroke so I brought her somewhere else. They would do well in the saloon going from table to table begging for peanuts and drinking beer off the floor. It would be a cheap cleaning service.

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