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Re: Your favourite cartoonists

Postby JackRiddler » Thu Feb 17, 2011 4:08 pm

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Postby stefano » Thu Feb 17, 2011 4:18 pm

erosoplier wrote:Michael Leunig
I just had a look around at his stuff now - terrific. Thanks (if you're still reading here...).

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Re: Your favourite cartoonists

Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Sat Feb 26, 2011 3:17 am

JackRiddler wrote:Aubrey Beardsley
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The Beardsley/Wilde thing was one of the best scandals ever.

"The Cult of The Clitoris." Hehe, it's gone all mainstream now.

I don't know who did this, but it's great:

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Re: Your favourite cartoonists

Postby justdrew » Sat Feb 26, 2011 4:46 am

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Can't rave enough about los bros Hernandez and David Boswell, but wally... wally wood... woo hee...
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and Chesley Bonestell
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Re: Your favourite cartoonists

Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Mon Feb 28, 2011 7:50 am

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Wot, no Hogarth?

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Beer Street is a place of industriousness and good cheer, where men might linger outside the tavern to study the details of the latest King's Proclamation (a print-out, obviously) while others are playfully affectionate, yet respectful, towards their spouses.

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Gin Lane, by contrast, is all horrible, and the folk are totally scabby and minging and don't even care for their own kids. Gin is a hell of a drug. Hogarth knew what he was on about.

Shame on RI for not yet having any William Blake on this thread. Shame, shame.

Some of Tom the Dancing Bug's "Lucky Ducky" comics are great, though not really in terms of the drawing itself.

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Re: Your favourite cartoonists

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Re: Your favourite cartoonists

Postby JackRiddler » Wed Mar 02, 2011 5:26 pm

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Re: Your favourite cartoonists

Postby JackRiddler » Thu Mar 03, 2011 11:18 pm

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Re: Your favourite cartoonists

Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Sat Mar 19, 2011 10:09 pm

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I prefer his early funny stuff.

Seriously, though, a lot of comic book artists trace themselves back to Blake, seeing him as the most respectable progenitor of the form. He was self-taught, not really recognised as a significant artist in his time, and a bit of a social misfit, if not outcast. Creating his own illustrations and "captioning" them with his poetry does make him a sort of proto-comic-book creator. At least, that's the argument.

Plus, the Great Red Dragon pics crack me up everytime. What a hoot!
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Re: Your favourite cartoonists

Postby JackRiddler » Sun Mar 20, 2011 12:54 am

AhabsOtherLeg wrote:Seriously, though, a lot of comic book artists trace themselves back to Blake, seeing him as the most respectable progenitor of the form. He was self-taught, not really recognised as a significant artist in his time, and a bit of a social misfit, if not outcast. Creating his own illustrations and "captioning" them with his poetry does make him a sort of proto-comic-book creator. At least, that's the argument.


I think it's true that Blake was a direct progenitor of the modern comic book. It's the newsprint technology in mass society that made the comic book a distinguishable form, for so long laughed off or decried as dumb stuff for the demented.

However, the idea of stories told in a chronologically arranged sequence of painted panels is a lot older than Blake, even with captions and dialogue.

Check out the Legion of Greek Orthodox Saints:

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This one's in a modern American church, but true to the form. I've been in my share of these churches and after many years it kind of hit me that this was a lot like the superhero comics no priest would ever be caught not condemning. All that's missing is a caption for the one in the middle saying, "Avengers Assemble!"

And another for the fellow on the right: "Flame On!"


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You're telling me the Justice League's got anything on them? Ha!

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I'm Batman.

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Re: Your favourite cartoonists

Postby barracuda » Sun Mar 20, 2011 2:11 am

It's a bit annoying to hear Blake claimed as somehow great-grandfathering the modern comic, when the history of comics and cartooning includes literally hundreds of artists working in very nearly the identical form as is commonly considered profoundly original today in the 17th century and long before.

I mean, just for example, James Gilllray was a brilliant 18th century cartoonist, capable of using the already fully-formed idioms of the cartoon to remarkable artistic, satirical, controversial and political ends.

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He was one of many such artists earning their living as cartoonists contemporary with Blake, who, to be perfectly fair, was engaged in a pursuit that had nothing to do with the art of cartooning per se, and who can only be shoehorned into the form with the most strenuous gymnastic contortions. Contortions which reveal, most of all, the poor opinion of the real history of the craft held by those who seem to wish to ignore these true practitioners in favor of a more fashionably "visionary" artist, but who more likely have even never heard of Gillray, or George Cruikshank, or the countless others who actually created what we understand today as a comic or cartoon. [/cartoon soapbox]
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Re: Your favourite cartoonists

Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Sun Mar 20, 2011 2:53 am

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AhabsOtherLeg wrote:Seriously, though, a lot of comic book artists trace themselves back to Blake, seeing him as the most respectable progenitor of the form. He was self-taught, not really recognised as a significant artist in his time, and a bit of a social misfit, if not outcast. Creating his own illustrations and "captioning" them with his poetry does make him a sort of proto-comic-book creator. At least, that's the argument.


I think it's true that Blake was a direct progenitor of the modern comic book. It's the newsprint technology in mass society that made the comic book a distinguishable form, for so long laughed off or decried as dumb stuff for the demented.

However, the idea of stories told in a chronologically arranged sequence of painted panels is a lot older than Blake, even with captions and dialogue.

Check out the Legion of Greek Orthodox Saints.


Those Greek Orthodox guys are just newbs man. I've done the Stations of the Cross enough times to know what a comic book hero is, and how he progresses through his allotted 14 panels - wooden panels, hung round the walls of the church, but the story is the same. The hero takes a journey as he would in Marvell or DC. He starts with good works, and with them comes fame, and then betrayal, unfair trial, unjust imprisonment, he is denied by his friends, then torture, prolonged torture, some more torture, a bit more torture, torture, death, burial (of one kind or another). And then he rises again and triumphs, but that doesn't happen till the re-boot of the franchise.

If we're going back that far, though, then I call the Bayeux Tapestry as a witness:
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It's got actions, and words, in conjunction.

Also heiroglyphics. They were popular artforms that often had kind-of speech bubbles attached to the artwork, and therefore have as much claim to being progenitors of the comic book form as Blake.

Sorry if this sounds like I'm arguing against your point or Barracuda's, because I'm not.

Also, everybody here who has an interest in the comic book form (to be honest, I don't) should read "Men of Tommorrow" by Gerard Jones. It's great.
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Re: Your favourite cartoonists

Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Sun Mar 20, 2011 3:05 am

barracuda wrote:Contortions which reveal, most of all, the poor opinion of the real history of the craft held by those who seem to wish to wish to ignore these true practitioners in favor of a more fashionably "visionary" artist, but who more likely have even never heard of Gillray, or George Cruikshank, or the countless others who actually created what we understand today as a comic or cartoon. [/cartoon soapbox]


Spot on. And I haven't really heard of Gillray or Cruikshank myself, which might be my problem. I do hold the artform itself in quite low esteem because... well, because vast, overwhelming amounts of it are shit and always have been from the start. The good ones are outliers. That's normal. But you have to swim very deep in the pool to find a good cartoonist, and much, much deeper to find a good comic book artist. I mean, there are folk who think Frank Miller's good. They're wrong.

Like him or not (I vary on the issue) Gerald Scarfe should be in here:

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Re: Your favourite cartoonists

Postby JackRiddler » Sun Mar 20, 2011 3:58 am

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Awright already, BWA! (Barracuda Wins Again). Jay-sus Crisis Onnacrutch.

And yeah, yeah, Ahab, the shit content may be higher than in almost any other form or medium, though of course the shit content's high everywhere, right?

Now. It's pointless to debate whether Frank Miller is good. (Also pointless to debate whether his politics and ethos are anti-humanist and pretty much openly fascist, since they so obviously are, even more so than your usual artist who would do Batman.) Good or bad, back when he did Daredevil and then Dark Knight, he was pathbreaking. And mindblowing, to those of us who had grown up decades after Dr. Wertham at a time when published comics were at least 95 percent four-color superheroes from Marvel and DC ("Still Only 35 Cents!").

I can be so far above it now, but this!

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Re: Your favourite cartoonists

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